Goldeneye clarification
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Red Grant's expertise is most needed here. Maybe I am just missing a plot point...
But where does Alec turn? Is the shot from Ourumov in the chemical weapons facility a failed attempt to kill him, or has he already joined forces with him by this time? Being that it's 9 years in advance, it seems very well planned. But then it also seems odd that Bond doesn't care to notice that Alec's face hasn't been blown off on the floor.
Ourumov clearly isn't using blanks, as he kills one of his own men with the same gun, so is he the world's worst shot?
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But where does Alec turn? Is the shot from Ourumov in the chemical weapons facility a failed attempt to kill him, or has he already joined forces with him by this time? Being that it's 9 years in advance, it seems very well planned. But then it also seems odd that Bond doesn't care to notice that Alec's face hasn't been blown off on the floor.
Ourumov clearly isn't using blanks, as he kills one of his own men with the same gun, so is he the world's worst shot?
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This is why Bond doesn't see Ourumov capture Trevelyan, because Trevelyan effectively gives himself up to Ourumov whilst Bond is planting the mines. I seem to think that Ourumov's first shot from his gun is used to "kill" Trevelyan so that first bullet could have been the only blank in the gun.
Obviously, Ourumov and his men try to kill Bond which then begs the question, why stage Alec's death in the first place if Bond won't live to see it. I think this can be explained that Alec know's Bond's talents and knows he would be more than likely to escape which would make staging Alec's death necessary.
As for Bond not noticing that Alec's face hasn't been blown off, my memory may not be right but at the point that Ourumov shoots Alec, doesn't Bond run back behind the gas tanks - I think Bond only sees Alec on the floor for a second, and Alec's head is turned away from him so he would have only had the image of Alec being shot in his head. He doesn't look at Alec again since he has his own problems to worry about.
As to why they tried to kill Bond, well he'd have been suspicious if they hadn't, and this way he lives and reports back Alec's death. Or if they're "successful" and kill Bond well that works for them too, they eliminate a later threat. They didn't expect the timer to go off 3 minutes early, which is why Trevelyn was scarred. If he wasn't in on it and just happenned to survive Orumov's bullet he would have understood about the timer. I think it's also evident later on Orumov was working for Alec not the other way around. Interestingly it's shown early on that Orumov has no compunction in shooting his own men or allowing the death of Russian soldiers in this elaborate scam, and that's echoed later in Severnaya.
And in the terrific statue graveyard scene Alec tells Bond that he thought about asking him to join him but knew than Bond's loyalty was always to the service, and I've always thought he was talking about before and not just then and there in that scene.
MBE
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It might make an interesting movie eh?
Thats my take on it.
I mean, notice how none of the characters have aged in the 9 years after the pre-credits. That's just one point, but there are other GoldenEye spoilers: no sign of a snowflake in the establishing shot, but when 007 escapes to run down the runway, he's in snow and ice land.
That Ourmov should lure Bond out - and that Bond should actually begin to go along with it, knowing he'd surely only be shot as well. And that once he's nearly got Bond out, he goes and "shoots" 006 anyway for being a bit lippy. Or that Bond can leap back behind the cannisters without being shot by Russia's worst marksmen. None of it really makes much sense even before you get to the main plot of the film.
That said this, along with The Living Daylights, is the pre-credits I watch on video if I'm not up for an entire movie.
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For instance, why did Bond bungee off a dam, laser through a wall, apparently climb all the way back *up* to the plant which was at the top of the plateau... meet 006, crawl through some ventilation ducts, hack a door with a gizmo, set off the alarm...
...when he could've just crawled in the conveyor belt line that conveniently heads right outside from the gas room (the one he escapes on)?
I think this was planned between Oromuv(ugh, sp.) and 006. A blank, and the rest real bullets. While some people think, on this thread, "A plan 9 years in the making...", remember that Janus was around for quite a while.
M "And the Janus group?"
Bond: "They might have been involved."
Shows Janus has been around longer than 9 years later. Orumov, he was the colonel, and obviously knew about the GoldenEye, but I am not sure how 006 would have known. It is possible it was a plan after.
So, planned all along. That's the way I see it.
I really expect that the scriptwriters didn't anticipate such an investigation into this tiny aspect of the movie, which is a good thing in my opinion as it lets us come up with our own ideas !
Personally, I think the Archangel mission went as follows. Trevelyan had told Ourumov beforehand everything that he would have been briefed by MI6, and so Ourumov could keep the security lax for 006 and 007 to make it with ease to the main gas container room.
Then Alec purposesly tricks the alarm, waits while Bond is busy behind the gas tanks and surrenders to Ourumov.
All to make it look like a genuine capture; I guess Alec figured if Bond was to surrender himself, then he might invite him along with his caper - as he doesn't, I think at that point Alec concedes that he will never be able to tear Bond away from serving his country.
Ourumov fires a blank at Alec and he plays dead until Bond clears off.
I notice the conveyor belt being ridiculed as an easy entrance to the mission - but maybe it was there as an easy escape for Bond, to make sure he got away. After all if Bond died and no corpse of Trevelyan surfaced, MI6 might wonder if he died at all.
And so Alec and Ourumov were probably busy toasting shots of vodka as the whole place ignited three minutes early, which left Alec with a nasty scar later on.
Case closed !?