Basically some people love to pick on a group to blame for all that's
Wrong with their country. It might be religion, politics, race, sexual
Preference etc. "These people are causing all the problems ", then
If they get power, the killings begin. It happens even today, and
will happen in the future.
My opinion. Politics or Religion, a plague on both your houses. -{
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Basically some people love to pick on a group to blame for all that's
Wrong with their country. It might be religion, politics, race, sexual
Preference etc. "These people are causing all the problems ", then
If they get power, the killings begin. It happens even today, and
will happen in the future.
My opinion. Politics or Religion, a plague on both your houses. -{
You know you can't have democracy without politcs, right?
Antisemitism (also spelled Anti-Semitism or anti-semitism) is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as a national, ethnic, religious or racial group.
You quote a general definition of antisemitism, not of Hitler's or nazism's views on jews. If you had read up on Hitler and nazism you would know his antisemitism was all about race and not about religion. Hitler believed judaism was evil because jews are born evil. If he was motivated by religion he would think jews are evil because judaism is evil. Hitler cared little about religion, to the point of having muslim units fighting in the Waffen-SS.
There are forms of antisemitism that are religious. To our shame Norway had a paragraph forbidding jews and jesuits entry into the country from 1814 to 1851. But a jew could convert to christianity and gain access to Norway. That is (mainly) religious antisemitim - Hitler never really cared about religion.
Politics or Religion, a plague on both your houses. -{
+1
Number24, if you honestly believe that without politics you can't have a democracy, you must be blind. Do you honestly believe we live in a true democracy here in the uk? No doubt you're an expert on this too.
Oh the right to free speech, the right to vote, the right to do as you're told, the right for people high enough up the ladder to get away with war crimes....
Most modern day conflicts are caused by some form of religious argument, ok so holocaust wasn't mainly based on religious hatred but it was certainly part of it, especially where the masses were concerned. Just because hitler didn't care for religious aspects of his antisemitism doesn't mean his followers or general population didn't take a religious bad view of the Jewish people.
I made no judgment on the quality of British democracy. In a democracy you must have elections, voting, discussions and try to agree on a policy. How on earth do you see this can be done without politics? )
The only societies where there ( in theory ) is no politics are completely totalitarian regimes. There can be no democracy without politics because democracy is a political system. You may dislike politicians and the way politics is run, that's your right and privilige in a democracy. But that doesn't change the fact there can be no democracy without politics. Please explain how there an be elections to parliaments where people vote on laws and other issues without medeling in politics?
I believe some of the people who commited the holocaust were at least partly motivated by religion. But the people at Wansee and Hitler, the people who started and led the holocaust, were not guided by religion and neither was the nazi ideology. Blaming the holocaust on religion is therefore wrong.
I think you'll find British democracy. ( like most things)
Is the best in the world ! )
I'm not talking about the quaility of the politicians or the democracy in the UK. I just wonder how anyone imagines democracy without politics and politicians ) ?:)
Elections without anyone running for office or getting elected )
Voting in parlaments without anyone there to cast the votes ?:)
I for one would be happy with a benign dictator. ) like
Thatcher or Blair.
It won't really matter much when our Alien overlords take over !
On the topic of democracy and how wonderful it is, have you seen the
Latest report that states.
1% of the world owns 50% of the wealth. Proof positive that voting changes things
With out all those votes over the years we could have ended up with a tiny elite, say
1% of the population owing say, 50% of everythingand leaving the other 99% with
What's left !
I'm glad democracy was able to stop that sort of thing happening )
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Better, honest people as politicians, is how it should be done. -{ but
Now we have professional politicians ( snake oil salesmen ).
IMHO, that's why so many people are turning their backs on the big
Parties and looking elsewhere for answers. Hence the rise of ( in the UK)
UKIP, simply because they're different and can give the established
Parties a bloody nose. I really do think most people don't even care about
Their policies.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Better, honest people as politicians, is how it should be done. -{ but
Now we have professional politicians ( snake oil salesmen ).
IMHO, that's why so many people are turning their backs on the big
Parties and looking elsewhere for answers. Hence the rise of ( in the UK)
UKIP, simply because they're different and can give the established
Parties a bloody nose. I really do think most people don't even care about
Their policies.
In other words; replace current politicians with other politicians. I'm still eagerly waiting for a reply to my question.
Ok maybe I wasn't clear earlier, what I was getting at was democracy doesn't work within modern politics.
I believe that democracy should mean that no one escapes the law, where politicians are answerable just like the rest of us, where matters are discussed sensibly, takining into account the populations thoughts and views, where we get a choice, a voice and a right to be told what's happeneing and why.
Instead I live in a country where decisions are made by people well protected within parliment, who can lead the country to war on an arguement built on lies and deception, who's authorities can mess up, be incompetent in their jobs and make mistakes that cost lives but ultimately hardly ever the right people are brought to task, and when a politician is concerned, never will a prosecution be brought forward. Sure, some scapegoat might loose a job, but the people who really matter go on to find work elsewhere back in the bowels of parliment.
When you have a parliment that is run like this, where the nests of the rich and powerful are well lined by the hard earned cash of the population, where transparency, honesty and responsibility have been superceded by deception, betrayal and denial then you can't have a true democracy.
A democracy should work with politics, but sadly we now live in a world incapable of achieving this as instead of being driven by endeavour, achievement and a pride in ourseleves we're obsessed with self preservation, selfishness, greed and power.
I've always thought one way of humbling the politicians would be to
Have on the voting slip, a box for a joke candidate I.e. a dead parrot.
Then when the votes are counted, we could see how many people would
Rather be represented by a " Dead Parrot" than some corrupt, politician.
And if the " Dead Parrot" should win the election, all politicians would have to
Resign their seats, to let some new blood in !
I have spoken ! Make it so, Number24. )
( see what I did there, it's usually number1 )
+1, for Minigeff's point. At the moment we are still waiting on a report on why Britain
Went to war in Iraq. It's almost SIX years late !!. Yet according to all politicians it's
Not their fault ? Who else has the power to hold it up ? I know I don't.
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
At the moment we are still waiting on a report on why Britain
Went to war in Iraq. It's almost SIX years late !!. Yet according to all politicians it's
Not their fault ? Who else has the power to hold it up ? I know I don't.
Nothing to do with Tony Bliar...
And yet what will be done about it? Nothing, because we live in a 'democracy'.
Ok maybe I wasn't clear earlier, what I was getting at was democracy doesn't work within modern politics.
I believe that democracy should mean that no one escapes the law, where politicians are answerable just like the rest of us, where matters are discussed sensibly, takining into account the populations thoughts and views, where we get a choice, a voice and a right to be told what's happeneing and why.
Instead I live in a country where decisions are made by people well protected within parliment, who can lead the country to war on an arguement built on lies and deception, who's authorities can mess up, be incompetent in their jobs and make mistakes that cost lives but ultimately hardly ever the right people are brought to task, and when a politician is concerned, never will a prosecution be brought forward. Sure, some scapegoat might loose a job, but the people who really matter go on to find work elsewhere back in the bowels of parliment.
When you have a parliment that is run like this, where the nests of the rich and powerful are well lined by the hard earned cash of the population, where transparency, honesty and responsibility have been superceded by deception, betrayal and denial then you can't have a true democracy.
A democracy should work with politics, but sadly we now live in a world incapable of achieving this as instead of being driven by endeavour, achievement and a pride in ourseleves we're obsessed with self preservation, selfishness, greed and power.
If that's what you ment you were VERY unclear, at best.
You wrote: Number24, if you honestly believe that without politics you can't have a democracy, you must be blind.
In other words; there can be democracy without politics. There is no other way to interpret that sentence. That sentence you wrote is frankly riddicolous, and you called ME blind? Let's settle this: I believe you just ment to say that politics and democracy works badly. I guess you just worded that sentence ....... clumsily. I suggest you say you're sorry for calling me blind for stating the obvious and we're done. OK?
) ) )
I'm sure this is well know to all ( except viewers of Big Brother) the reason they
Built the house of commons beside the Thames, was because it couldn't be
Surrounded by a mob !
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
) ) )
I'm sure this is well know to all ( except viewers of Big Brother) the reason they
Built the house of commons beside the Thames, was because it couldn't be
Surrounded by a mob !
There was a time the Thames stank so badly the Parliament wanted to move (to Buckingham Palace, I think), but it was over ruled because the river would give them an escape route in case of rebelion. )
Parliament is falling apart, bits falling off it, I watched a special on it. It's
Going to cost Billions to fix it. I guarantee that money will be found !
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Parliament is falling apart, bits falling off it, I watched a special on it. It's
Going to cost Billions to fix it. I guarantee that money will be found !
I have a theory why I have a more positive opinion of politicians than you do: Westminister is full of pubs with cheap alcohol. Our Parliament (The Storting) is dry. :v
To be honest Number24, it may simply be that in Norway, you have better
Politicians. -{ Some who actually want to do something for their country
And the people who live there.
Sadly over the years after so many press reports of double dealings, and
Expenses scandals, I'm just an old cynic.
If you have better politicians, four yourself lucky.
That cheap booze you mention is subsidised by us tax payers. and the
House of lords complains that they want their own restaurant as the Commons
One serves " inferior " champagnes ! )
Yep !, sounds like they're in touch with the ordinary man in the street. )
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Comments
Wrong with their country. It might be religion, politics, race, sexual
Preference etc. "These people are causing all the problems ", then
If they get power, the killings begin.
will happen in the future.
My opinion. Politics or Religion, a plague on both your houses. -{
You know you can't have democracy without politcs, right?
You quote a general definition of antisemitism, not of Hitler's or nazism's views on jews. If you had read up on Hitler and nazism you would know his antisemitism was all about race and not about religion. Hitler believed judaism was evil because jews are born evil. If he was motivated by religion he would think jews are evil because judaism is evil. Hitler cared little about religion, to the point of having muslim units fighting in the Waffen-SS.
There are forms of antisemitism that are religious. To our shame Norway had a paragraph forbidding jews and jesuits entry into the country from 1814 to 1851. But a jew could convert to christianity and gain access to Norway. That is (mainly) religious antisemitim - Hitler never really cared about religion.
+1
Number24, if you honestly believe that without politics you can't have a democracy, you must be blind. Do you honestly believe we live in a true democracy here in the uk? No doubt you're an expert on this too.
Oh the right to free speech, the right to vote, the right to do as you're told, the right for people high enough up the ladder to get away with war crimes....
Most modern day conflicts are caused by some form of religious argument, ok so holocaust wasn't mainly based on religious hatred but it was certainly part of it, especially where the masses were concerned. Just because hitler didn't care for religious aspects of his antisemitism doesn't mean his followers or general population didn't take a religious bad view of the Jewish people.
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The only societies where there ( in theory ) is no politics are completely totalitarian regimes. There can be no democracy without politics because democracy is a political system. You may dislike politicians and the way politics is run, that's your right and privilige in a democracy. But that doesn't change the fact there can be no democracy without politics. Please explain how there an be elections to parliaments where people vote on laws and other issues without medeling in politics?
I believe some of the people who commited the holocaust were at least partly motivated by religion. But the people at Wansee and Hitler, the people who started and led the holocaust, were not guided by religion and neither was the nazi ideology. Blaming the holocaust on religion is therefore wrong.
Is the best in the world !
I'm not talking about the quaility of the politicians or the democracy in the UK. I just wonder how anyone imagines democracy without politics and politicians
Elections without anyone running for office or getting elected
Voting in parlaments without anyone there to cast the votes ?:)
I guess I just can't see it - I must be blind!
Thatcher or Blair.
It won't really matter much when our Alien overlords take over !
On the topic of democracy and how wonderful it is, have you seen the
Latest report that states.
1% of the world owns 50% of the wealth. Proof positive that voting changes things
With out all those votes over the years we could have ended up with a tiny elite, say
1% of the population owing say, 50% of everythingand leaving the other 99% with
What's left !
I'm glad democracy was able to stop that sort of thing happening
In my view it's a bit like claiming there can be traffic without movement or wars without cassualties?
Now we have professional politicians ( snake oil salesmen ).
IMHO, that's why so many people are turning their backs on the big
Parties and looking elsewhere for answers. Hence the rise of ( in the UK)
UKIP, simply because they're different and can give the established
Parties a bloody nose. I really do think most people don't even care about
Their policies.
In other words; replace current politicians with other politicians. I'm still eagerly waiting for a reply to my question.
I believe that democracy should mean that no one escapes the law, where politicians are answerable just like the rest of us, where matters are discussed sensibly, takining into account the populations thoughts and views, where we get a choice, a voice and a right to be told what's happeneing and why.
Instead I live in a country where decisions are made by people well protected within parliment, who can lead the country to war on an arguement built on lies and deception, who's authorities can mess up, be incompetent in their jobs and make mistakes that cost lives but ultimately hardly ever the right people are brought to task, and when a politician is concerned, never will a prosecution be brought forward. Sure, some scapegoat might loose a job, but the people who really matter go on to find work elsewhere back in the bowels of parliment.
When you have a parliment that is run like this, where the nests of the rich and powerful are well lined by the hard earned cash of the population, where transparency, honesty and responsibility have been superceded by deception, betrayal and denial then you can't have a true democracy.
A democracy should work with politics, but sadly we now live in a world incapable of achieving this as instead of being driven by endeavour, achievement and a pride in ourseleves we're obsessed with self preservation, selfishness, greed and power.
Vive le droit à la libre expression! Je suis Charlie!
www.helpforheroes.org.uk
www.cancerresearchuk.org
Have on the voting slip, a box for a joke candidate I.e. a dead parrot.
Then when the votes are counted, we could see how many people would
Rather be represented by a " Dead Parrot" than some corrupt, politician.
And if the " Dead Parrot" should win the election, all politicians would have to
Resign their seats, to let some new blood in !
I have spoken ! Make it so, Number24.
( see what I did there, it's usually number1 )
+1, for Minigeff's point. At the moment we are still waiting on a report on why Britain
Went to war in Iraq. It's almost SIX years late !!. Yet according to all politicians it's
Not their fault ? Who else has the power to hold it up ? I know I don't.
Nothing to do with Tony Bliar...
And yet what will be done about it? Nothing, because we live in a 'democracy'.
Vive le droit à la libre expression! Je suis Charlie!
www.helpforheroes.org.uk
www.cancerresearchuk.org
Vive le droit à la libre expression! Je suis Charlie!
www.helpforheroes.org.uk
www.cancerresearchuk.org
If that's what you ment you were VERY unclear, at best.
You wrote: Number24, if you honestly believe that without politics you can't have a democracy, you must be blind.
In other words; there can be democracy without politics. There is no other way to interpret that sentence. That sentence you wrote is frankly riddicolous, and you called ME blind? Let's settle this: I believe you just ment to say that politics and democracy works badly. I guess you just worded that sentence ....... clumsily. I suggest you say you're sorry for calling me blind for stating the obvious and we're done. OK?
I'm sure this is well know to all ( except viewers of Big Brother) the reason they
Built the house of commons beside the Thames, was because it couldn't be
Surrounded by a mob !
Yes, I know.
You can suggest all you like.
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www.helpforheroes.org.uk
www.cancerresearchuk.org
There was a time the Thames stank so badly the Parliament wanted to move (to Buckingham Palace, I think), but it was over ruled because the river would give them an escape route in case of rebelion.
Going to cost Billions to fix it. I guarantee that money will be found !
Bit like when one's moat needs a scrub
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Put it all on expenses !
To be honest Number24, it may simply be that in Norway, you have better
Politicians. -{ Some who actually want to do something for their country
And the people who live there.
Sadly over the years after so many press reports of double dealings, and
Expenses scandals, I'm just an old cynic.
If you have better politicians, four yourself lucky.
That cheap booze you mention is subsidised by us tax payers.
House of lords complains that they want their own restaurant as the Commons
One serves " inferior " champagnes !
Yep !, sounds like they're in touch with the ordinary man in the street.
They are, they just think they're talking to the head of GCHQ apparently
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Just, heard that !
I'd say they'll be a few jobs going at GCHQ.