The New Willy Wonka movie

General_Ourumov

Yes, it's a classic, one of those films everyone seen as a kid, and now he is back. The new one is going to be released sometime in 2005.

What do you think of this? Who should play the new Willy Wonka?

My Wonka Choices:

1. Christopher Walken
2. Tim Curry
3. Johnny Depp
4. Maybe someone a bit older like the original Gene Wilder or Gene Hackman. Robin Williams perhaps. Christopher Lloyd?

Any other ideas?

Alex

I really enjoyed Tim Burton's Edward Scissorhands --but lately it seems that all he is doing is remaking classic films.

And I have to ask, Why?

delon64

he has got the jonathan demme disease...willy wonka and demmes doing the manchurian candidate god help us...maybe mark wahlberg for both...i dont mind remakes but agree with frank oz and michael caine only remake poor or mediocre films as they did with bedtime story turning it into dirty rotten scoundrels...as for wonka they better not have cgi oompa loompas but somehow i think they will

KissKissBangBang

It's going to be Johnny Depp.

Xenia

Yes, it certainly looks that way. Johnny Depp was offered the role as Willy Wonka and currently his agent is negotiating a contract with the studio. Hopefully it won't be long till an official announcement is made.

General_Ourumov

I think Johnny Depp quite suits the role. It will be interesting to see how the film turns out. Will it beat its great 1975 original?

Hardyboy

The original WW was a big part of my childhood moviegoing experience, and Roald Dahl's original Charlie and the Chocolate Factory book was probably the most influential novel of my tender young years; so I'm of two minds here. On one hand, I wonder why they should bother remaking a classic movie (especially since no one can possibly match Gene Wilder's manic Willy); but I'd also be interested to see if Burton can make a film that's more faithful to the Dahl book. So. . .

Oompah loompah doompity dee
Time will show how good it'll be!

General_Ourumov

Quoting Hardyboy:
Oompah loompah doompity dee
Time will show how good it'll be!

Hehe, it will be great to see those little guys running around again...

Valentin Zukovsky

Of those, Robin Williams, Johnny Depp, and Tim Curry would do excellent. Actually, I've never seen more than a few minutes of the original film, but I saw enough of it to know what it's about.

Alex

Quoting Hardyboy:
but I'd also be interested to see if Burton can make a film that's more faithful to the Dahl book. So. . .!

Me too, that's something I guess.

Also read the second Charlie book as a kid, where the elevator ascends into space, grandparents, beds and all. This got me thinking of another Roald Dahl book, Danny The Champion of the World. It's all about Danny and his father and some wickedly ingenious ways of poaching pheasants. Man, that was a good book.

Pendragon

O.O' Tom Curry as Willy ^^ *laugh* that would be worth seeing..but i think it will be Johnny...Christopher Walken is creepy enough, he doesnt need a purple suit and brown top hat...O.o i would hide! I love Tim's acting, and Johnny's and ok even Christopher's...yea, thats my input on the matter..

General_Ourumov

I think Tim Curry is creepy actually. Has anyone seen him as PennyWise the Clown in 'Stephen King's IT'(1990)?

Pendragon

*gasp* pennywise was one of the few clowns im NOT afraid of...^^ you should go rent "Legend." brilliant movie. Tom Cruse and Tim Curry. Tom is like 20 in this movie and plays a forest boy named Jack. Tim plays Darkness...a rather spooky verison of the devil...deep voice, tight abs, HUGE black horns...gigantic hooves...yea, go to www.timcurry.com and find a pic of darkness there ^^

Pendragon

http://www.rockymusic.org/curry/tribute/projects/legend_toy02.jpg just so you dont have to go looking, here is darkness

General_Ourumov

Actually I believe I have seen that film, is it by any chance the film in which they are trying to save the unicorns, and there are alot of short actors starring in the film.

Tim Curry is red also, is he not?

boothroyd13

Oompah Loompahs scare me.

Pendragon

yes, mr. curry went thro a buff session and came out with foam abs and pounds apon pounds of makeup and costume...^^

Valentin Zukovsky

Quoting delon64:
he has got the jonathan demme disease...willy wonka and demmes doing the manchurian candidate god help us...maybe mark wahlberg for both...i dont mind remakes but agree with frank oz and michael caine only remake poor or mediocre films as they did with bedtime story turning it into dirty rotten scoundrels...as for wonka they better not have cgi oompa loompas but somehow i think they will

"The Manchurian Candidate"??? Who the f*** greenlighted that? I also heard that they are planning to remake "The Wild Bunch" (why???)! X-(

Napoleon Plural

Man Candidate could be great though, if instead of Russian paranoia they dealt with paranoia against Islam and made it topical...

Well it's a thought. The climate's not that different in the US.

Willie Garvin

Quoting Valentin Zukovsky:
"The Manchurian Candidate"??? Who the f*** greenlighted that? I also heard that they are planning to remake "The Wild Bunch" (why???)! X-(

Because these two films were both critically acclaimed and successful at the box office.And because of their fame,they're presold titles and don't have to be "pitched" to today's studio executives.No imagination required.Even more importantly,the indiviuals behind such remakes probably think that what made these films work in the original incarnations can somehow be magically recreated once again and by them--which of course,is impossible.It's ego run rampant.

What's next?Maybe The Return of Citizen Kane.

Here's the tagline:"His enemies thought he was dead,but Charlie Kane's back and out for revenge.Because this time it's personal."Starring Mark Wahlberg,John Travolta and Britney Spears.Written by Sylvester Stallone.Directed by McG.Music by Coolio.


W.G.

General_Ourumov

Quoting Willie Garvin:


Here's the tagline:"His enemies thought he was dead,but Charlie Kane's back and out for revenge.Because this time it's personal."Starring Mark Wahlberg,John Travolta and Britney Spears.Written by Sylvester Stallone.Directed by McG.Music by Coolio.


W.G.

) Just brilliant! And that really reflects how bad modern remakes can be!

Jaelle

Quoting Willie Garvin:

Quoting Willie Garvin:
Quoting Valentin Zukovsky:
"The Manchurian Candidate"??? Who the f*** greenlighted that? I also heard that they are planning to remake "The Wild Bunch" (why???)! X-(

Because these two films were both critically acclaimed and successful at the box office.And because of their fame,they're presold titles and don't have to be "pitched" to today's studio executives.No imagination required.Even more importantly,the indiviuals behind such remakes probably think that what made these films work in the original incarnations can somehow be magically recreated once again and by them]/i]--which of course,is impossible.It's ego run rampant.

Exactly, well-said. It was bad enuf when I heard about Willie Wonka but then I also heard about a remake for Manchurian Candidate. I just had to roll my eyes and shake my head and think "jeezus, can't these people EVER get a freaking clue?!" That is one of my favorite films but there's just no way it can be duplicated. Yes, they can try to make it topical but they can't duplicate the entire feel and tension and atmosphere of the original. Firstly, the power of black & white films in communicating tension and drama can't be duplicated in color. Secondly, today when they try doing black & white films, it just doesn't work well. The impact isn't there, imo. And who can replace Laurence Harvey, Frank Sinatra and Angela Lansbury?

Let them come up with something that is topical to today, and an original story.

Quoting Willie Garvin:
What's next?Maybe The Return of Citizen Kane.
Here's the tagline:"His enemies thought he was dead,but Charlie Kane's back and out for revenge.Because this time it's personal."Starring Mark Wahlberg,John Travolta and Britney Spears.Written by Sylvester Stallone.Directed by McG.Music by Coolio.
W.G.

Go ahead, Willie, ruin my lunch for me!
(kidding, kidding)

Oh have you heard there's going to be a US TV version of Dr. Zhivago next TV season?

Willie Garvin

Quoting Jaelle:

Quoting Jaelle:
Quoting Willie Garvin:

Quoting Jaelle:
Quoting Willie Garvin:
Quoting Valentin Zukovsky:
"The Manchurian Candidate"??? Who the f*** greenlighted that? I also heard that they are planning to remake "The Wild Bunch" (why???)! X-(

Because these two films were both critically acclaimed and successful at the box office.And because of their fame,they're presold titles and don't have to be "pitched" to today's studio executives.No imagination required.Even more importantly,the indiviuals behind such remakes probably think that what made these films work in the original incarnations can somehow be magically recreated once again and by them]/i]--which of course,is impossible.It's ego run rampant.

Exactly, well-said. It was bad enuf when I heard about Willie Wonka but then I also heard about a remake for Manchurian Candidate. I just had to roll my eyes and shake my head and think "jeezus, can't these people EVER get a freaking clue?!" That is one of my favorite films but there's just no way it can be duplicated. Yes, they can try to make it topical but they can't duplicate the entire feel and tension and atmosphere of the original. Firstly, the power of black & white films in communicating tension and drama can't be duplicated in color. Secondly, today when they try doing black & white films, it just doesn't work well. The impact isn't there, imo. And who can replace Laurence Harvey, Frank Sinatra and Angela Lansbury?

Let them come up with something that is topical to today, and an original story.

Quoting Jaelle:
Quoting Willie Garvin:
What's next?Maybe The Return of Citizen Kane.
Here's the tagline:"His enemies thought he was dead,but Charlie Kane's back and out for revenge.Because this time it's personal."Starring Mark Wahlberg,John Travolta and Britney Spears.Written by Sylvester Stallone.Directed by McG.Music by Coolio.
W.G.

Go ahead, Willie, ruin my lunch for me!
(kidding, kidding)

>>>>My pleasure,Jaelle,anytime... :v<<<<

Oh have you heard there's going to be a US TV version of Dr. Zhivago next TV season?

>>>Yep--with Keira Knightly as Lara.It was made a short while back for British tv.Oh, and the USA network is filming a new version of Spartacus.The hits just keep coming,don't they...Maybe if we're really good, we see yet another remake of Stagecoach,too,plus Miracle on 42nd Street.Can't have too many of them.

And Peter Jackson's upcoming remake of King Kong.I have some hope for that--if only because Jackson's a fan of the original and because he's shown he can handle BIG pictures.Still,the original's impossible to beat.But Jackson's version of K.K. will be MUCH better than the disastrous Dino Di Laurentiis version.


W.G.

General_Ourumov

Quoting Jaelle:
Oh have you heard there's going to be a US TV version of Dr. Zhivago next TV season?

You refer to a completely new series, and not the 2002 British series with Hans Matheson, Sam Neill and Maryam D'Abo, I assume....

I liked that series, though I missed a couple of the few episodes there were....

delon64

i believe denzel washington is bennet marco and liev schrieber is raymond shaw with meryl streep as his mother...unreal...as for the wild bunch a film as near to mainstream perfection as humanly possible...how can it be improved?some remakes i would like to see are some of the hammer titles that were touted around a few years back especially the devil rides out which had richard donner attached...a classic of its type but with potential for improvement with modern technology...although that black devil genie always scared the hell out of me as he is

Willie Garvin

Writer/director/actor John Huston used to say that the only films worth remaking were those that weren't very good the first time around.Of course,he didn't follow his own rule.His version of The Maltese Falcon(1941) is the 4th adaptation of Dashiell Hammett's novel.While the 2nd and 3rd attempt(Satan Met a Lady)aren't especially interesting,the original 1931 production--also called The Maltese Falcon has a unique charm all its own and,in it's own way,IMO is as faithful to Hammett as Huston's movie was.

The Burton production of Willy Wonka will probably be darker than the first film and feature some memorable set designs.

Christopher Lee has long wanted to remake The Devil Rides Out repeating his role as the heroic Duc de Richelou.As noted,this could work,although the original with an outstanding performance by Charles Gray as the demonic Alaister Crowley-inspired satanist,will be a hard act to follow.

Denzel Washington?Liev Schrieber?Meryl Streep?This has to be a joke...


W.G.

fire and ice

not sure if this film needs to be remade, though i appreciate the retelling of a classic for a new generation. though gene wilders portrayel was excellent, i think depp (one of the greatest actors of his generation) would be an excellent choice to play willy wonka...

Jaelle

Quoting fire and ice:
not sure if this film needs to be remade, though i appreciate the retelling of a classic for a new generation. though gene wilders portrayel was excellent, i think depp (one of the greatest actors of his generation) would be an excellent choice to play willy wonka...

If they hire Depp, I'll definitely be curious enough to go see it. If they make a really quirky remake with its own unique, fun stamp on it, then it might be worth the effort.

General_Ourumov

Whoever they choose I am also likely to see it purely out of interest. Being perfectly honest....I still enjoy the old one now and again!

Valentin Zukovsky

Quoting Willie Garvin:
Because these two films were both critically acclaimed and successful at the box office.And because of their fame,they're presold titles and don't have to be "pitched" to today's studio executives.No imagination required.Even more importantly,the indiviuals behind such remakes probably think that what made these films work in the original incarnations can somehow be magically recreated once again and by them--which of course,is impossible.It's ego run rampant.

What's next?Maybe The Return of Citizen Kane.

Here's the tagline:"His enemies thought he was dead,but Charlie Kane's back and out for revenge.Because this time it's personal."Starring Mark Wahlberg,John Travolta and Britney Spears.Written by Sylvester Stallone.Directed by McG.Music by Coolio.


W.G.

Actually, "The Wild Bunch" tanked - at least domestically - but obviously it's critically acclaimed.

LOVE your idea for the "Return of Citizen Kane". ) I'll have to think of one for "The Wild Bunch" . . . {[]

Starring Leonard DiCaprio as Pike. How's that? )

General_Ourumov

Need to report:

GEOFFREY HOLDER is in the film!

Scanning down the cast list, our very own Baron Samedi narrates the film! How cool is that?

Whoa, just realised that two topics have been created since I made this one, and I don't know which topic to report this news in? Perhaps the others should be closed then.

http://www.ajb007.co.uk/index.php?topic=22829&cpage=1
http://www.ajb007.co.uk/index.php?topic=18153

All I can say is that I'll be listening out for his voice!