Virgil, I'm curious, why is TMWTGG your least fave of the Moore films?
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Virgil, I'm curious, why is TMWTGG your least fave of the Moore films?
I don't like the karate scences, I don't like Sheriff Pepper, I don't like yet another boat chase after LALD, I don't like Mary Goodnight, I don't like the car chase with Sheriff Pepper, I don't like the river jump stunt, I don't like the flying car. There are many things that I like too.
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Used the sites favorite film page to quickly slap together a list. Not gonna really split hairs on which one deserves which spot (nearly all of them are good in their own way). Spectre would be top 20 - maybe top 15 - if I were able to add it.
I'm new here so I thought to break the ice I'd post my ranking of the Bond movies
I did two Bondathons this year and I have seen Spectre seven times so this ranking is pretty cemented for the moment
01 SP (yes, this is not typo ) ) I absolutely love this movie.
02 GE (my No 1 since 20 years, oops...now it's dethroned ) )
03 TLD (Timothy Dalton is my favourite Bond actor)
04 OHMSS (objectively I'd rate this No 1)
05 CR (would never have thought that this would someday not be my favourite Craig movie)
06 OP (I like Roger Moore much better than my ranking of his Bonds would suggest)
07 FRWL (clearly Connery's best)
08 GF (clearly Connery's best....ahem....as well ) )
09 LTK (Timothy Dalton is my favourite...you know )
10 TND (yes, Brosnan made more than only one great Bond movie)
11 FYEO (only on 11th? damn, it's crowed at the top :007) )
12 LALD (my favourite sequence of all Bonds happens in this, speed-boat/police car chase and Sheriff Pepper)
13 QOS (if this were not edited like an epileptic episode it could be in the Top 5)
14 DAD (yes, no typo , I can see past the CGI and I like the ice palace and the vanishing car, yes B-) )
15 MR (probably my guilty pleasure Bond, just fabulous and I love the space fight)
16 TSWLM (even at No 16 this still is a great Bond movie, as there are very few "not great" Bond movies)
17 DN (the first and I'm almost ashamed to rank it so "low", well someone has to occupy spot 17 ) )
18 TB (formerly in my Top 5 but nowadays I'm a bit bored with that one)
19 SF (the most overrated Bond ever, still far from a bad Bond movie, because such a thing doesn't exist)
20 TWINE (the blueprint for SF, I didn't like M being pursued by the baddie here, I don't like it in SF either)
21 YOLT (the end-game is brilliant and best set ever built for a Bond movie, but that's not enough to get higher)
22 AVTAK (if you can't be sure who is older, Q, M, MP, Macnee or Bond, then somethings wrong ) )
23 TMWTGG (maybe this could be called "not so good", maybe)
24 DAF (clearly the least good of them all, Connery is just wrong in this and those fake explosions make look DADs CGI top notch ) )
24 Bond movies. Even the one at the bottom can be called satisfactory. There has yet to be a Bond movie made that is really not good.
Greetings BondJasonBond006. -{
SPECTRE the number one Bond film!!! Not sure I have seen that on any other Bond list.
Interesting list and love your little notes for each film.
Welcome.
Interesting ranking indeed, nice to see someone else who likes DAD .
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
13. FYEO (a formulaic Bond films that tries to add elements of suspense. Beautifully shot)
FYEO is formulaic? One reason I love it is because it broke from the Bond formula that defined all of Moore's other Bond films.
It is an amazing film .... A different Moore film may not necessarily make it a different Bond film
It's different from any Moore or Connery film since Goldfinger, when the formula was established. If that doesn't make it a different Bond film, I don't know what would.
FYEO is formulaic? One reason I love it is because it broke from the Bond formula that defined all of Moore's other Bond films.
It is an amazing film .... A different Moore film may not necessarily make it a different Bond film
It's different from any Moore or Connery film since Goldfinger, when the formula was established. If that doesn't make it a different Bond film, I don't know what would.
You left out - DN, FRWL and OHMSS, which implies that you agree that it may not necessarily have been a different Bond film .... Anyways, how much different it is from the established formula, iyo?
It is an amazing film .... A different Moore film may not necessarily make it a different Bond film
It's different from any Moore or Connery film since Goldfinger, when the formula was established. If that doesn't make it a different Bond film, I don't know what would.
You left out - DN, FRWL and OHMSS, which implies that you agree that it may not necessarily have been a different Bond film .... Anyways, how much different it is from the established formula, iyo?
I left those out because they don't follow the Bond formula. DN does in a way, but it can't be following a formula if there wasn't a formula established. Some Bond films follow the formula more closely than others. FYEO is one of the more unique Bond films, like FRWL and OHMSS. It's not different from all of the Bond films, just different from the ones that purely rely on formula. There's no absurd villain or henchman, no far-fetched plot from the villain, the plot now involves real-world politics, no silly gadgets except for the ones on display at Q's lab. Bond has become a much different character who now has a down-to-earth personality and does paperwork. I'll say that is has more formulaic elements than FRWL or OHMSS, but it's a very different film from the most of the Bond films that came before. All of Moore other films are more formulaic, yet you defined FYEO as formulaic when you didn't define LALD and TMWTGG as formulaic, when they follow the formula more closely.
I left those out because they don't follow the Bond formula. DN does in a way, but it can't be following a formula if there wasn't a formula established. Some Bond films follow the formula more closely than others. FYEO is one of the more unique Bond films, like FRWL and OHMSS. It's not different from all of the Bond films, just different from the ones that purely rely on formula. There's no absurd villain or henchman, no far-fetched plot from the villain, the plot now involves real-world politics, no silly gadgets except for the ones on display at Q's lab. Bond has become a much different character who now has a down-to-earth personality and does paperwork. I'll say that is has more formulaic elements than FRWL or OHMSS, but it's a very different film from the most of the Bond films that came before. All of Moore other films are more formulaic, yet you defined FYEO as formulaic when you didn't define LALD and TMWTGG as formulaic, when they follow the formula more closely.
You have made some good points .... First let me say that I did not write "formulaic" for some of the other films because that would have made me sound monotonous. With that out of the way, allow me make a few points as well
FYEO is a tough film for me to rate. It can fit nicely at any slot from #7 to #15 in my ranking (That's how close these films are). I put it at #13. To feel that I was not being unjust to it - I specifically used "formulaic" for it
Some of the points that you made for FYEO, can be applied to TMWTGG as well. To illustrate, I will use some of your points and link them to TMWTGG:
a) "There's no absurd villain or henchman" - TMWTGG has no absurb villian or henchman (Living in the 21st century, we will not consider being a midget as being absurb. How we look is not in our hands)
b) "no far-fetched plot from the villain" - applies to the villain in TMWTGG too
c) "the plot now involves real-world politics" - Potential solution to oil crisis has more real-world politics involved
d) "no silly gadgets except for the ones on display at Q's lab" - In TWMTGG, Bond has no silly gadgets. Sporting the 3rd nipple was a part of the plot (if you consider it as silly)
e) "Bond has become a much different character who now has a down-to-earth personality" - That is a subjective point (as can Bond ever appear down to earth) but in TMWTGG too, he did appear down to earth. IIRC, he was scolded on many occasions by M. Bond also made a few mistakes / wrong assumptions. Scaramange also mentions, something to the order, that they both do similar jobs but Bond earns peanuts
So the differentiating points that you gave for FYEO are applicable to TMWTGG as well. And if you believe TMWTGG to be formulaic, there is no harm in considering FYEO to be one too .... On the other hand, if your points make TMWTGG not formulaic too, then FYEO is not as unique as you believe it to be :007)
I left those out because they don't follow the Bond formula. DN does in a way, but it can't be following a formula if there wasn't a formula established. Some Bond films follow the formula more closely than others. FYEO is one of the more unique Bond films, like FRWL and OHMSS. It's not different from all of the Bond films, just different from the ones that purely rely on formula. There's no absurd villain or henchman, no far-fetched plot from the villain, the plot now involves real-world politics, no silly gadgets except for the ones on display at Q's lab. Bond has become a much different character who now has a down-to-earth personality and does paperwork. I'll say that is has more formulaic elements than FRWL or OHMSS, but it's a very different film from the most of the Bond films that came before. All of Moore other films are more formulaic, yet you defined FYEO as formulaic when you didn't define LALD and TMWTGG as formulaic, when they follow the formula more closely.
You have made some good points .... First let me say that I did not write "formulaic" for some of the other films because that would have made me sound monotonous. With that out of the way, allow me make a few points as well
FYEO is a tough film for me to rate. It can fit nicely at any slot from #7 to #15 in my ranking (That's how close these films are). I put it at #13. To feel that I was not being unjust to it - I specifically used "formulaic" for it
Some of the points that you made for FYEO, can be applied to TMWTGG as well. To illustrate, I will use some of your points and link them to TMWTGG:
a) "There's no absurd villain or henchman" - TMWTGG has no absurb villian or henchman (Living in the 21st century, we will not consider being a midget as being absurb. How we look is not in our hands)
b) "no far-fetched plot from the villain" - applies to the villain in TMWTGG too
c) "the plot now involves real-world politics" - Potential solution to oil crisis has more real-world politics involved
d) "no silly gadgets except for the ones on display at Q's lab" - In TWMTGG, Bond has no silly gadgets. Sporting the 3rd nipple was a part of the plot.
e) "Bond has become a much different character who now has a down-to-earth personality" - That is a subjective point (as can Bond ever appear down to earth) but in TMWTGG too, he did appear down to earth. IIRC, he was scolded on many occasions by M. Bond also made a few mistakes or wrong assumptions
So the differentiating points that you gave for FYEO are applicable to TMWTGG as well. And if you believe TMWTGG to be formulaic, there is no harm in considering FYEO to be one too :007)
a) Nick Nack being a midget was intended to be special in the same way Jaws in a giant and Oddjob is a silent brick. Though it's offensive, that's what was intended.
b) okay
c) The main plot of TMWTGG was about Bond assassinating Scaramanga. The Solex was a small side plot.
d) The silly gadgets always are part of the plot and help Bond get out of a jam. The third nipple was made by Q and totally counts the same way the ejector seat does.
e) Bond is a tough, stuck-up and obnoxious character in TMWTGG, just the same as Connery was. Moore lost the toughness in his next two Bond films but still had everything else. In FYEO he's suddenly much more personable.
a) Nick Nack being a midget was intended to be special in the same way Jaws in a giant and Oddjob is a silent brick. Though it's offensive, that's what was intended.
b) okay
c) The main plot of TMWTGG was about Bond assassinating Scaramanga. The Solex was a small side plot.
d) The silly gadgets always are part of the plot and help Bond get out of a jam. The third nipple was made by Q and totally counts the same way the ejector seat does.
e) Bond is a tough, stuck-up and obnoxious character in TMWTGG, just the same as Connery was. Moore lost the toughness in his next two Bond films but still had everything else. In FYEO he's suddenly much more personable.
a) In that case, FYEO had a giant henchman with enormous strength too .... To refresh your memory:
c) In that case, OP's main plot was to investigate the egg .... And in DAF, it was investigating diamond smuggling .... this would make FYEO less unique )
d) But the 3rd nipple did not bail Bond out. And if we have to be nit-picky, Bond drove Lotus (one white and one red) in FYEO which was from Q's lab
PS
"From the 1981 Bond film For Your Eyes Only, a modified Seiko H357 Duo Display receives messages from HQ on a scrolling LED marquis."
It's been 5 days, but I've just becomes he first person in the world with this as my number 1!
1.A View to a Kill
2.For Your Eyes Only
3.Octopussy
4.Skyfall
5.The Spy Who Loved Me
6.Licence to Kill
7.Goldfinger
8.GoldenEye
9.Live and Let Die
10.Moonraker
11.SPECTRE
12.Tomorrow Never Dies
13.Casino Royale(06)
14.The Man With The Golen Gun
15.The World Is Not Enough
16.The Living Daylights
17.Diamonds Are Forever
18.You Only Live Twice
19.From Russia With Love
20.Die Another Day
21.Qauntum of Solace
22.On Her Majesty's Secret Sevice
23.Never Say Never Again
24.Thunderball
25.Dr No
26.Casino Royale(67)
It's been 5 days, but I've just becomes he first person in the world with this as my number 1!
1.A View to a Kill
2.For Your Eyes Only
3.Octopussy
4.Skyfall
5.The Spy Who Loved Me
6.Licence to Kill
7.Goldfinger
8.GoldenEye
9.Live and Let Die
10.Moonraker
11.SPECTRE
12.Tomorrow Never Dies
13.Casino Royale(06)
14.The Man With The Golen Gun
15.The World Is Not Enough
16.The Living Daylights
17.Diamonds Are Forever
18.You Only Live Twice
19.From Russia With Love
20.Die Another Day
21.Qauntum of Solace
22.On Her Majesty's Secret Sevice
23.Never Say Never Again
24.Thunderball
25.Dr No
26.Casino Royale(67)
I swear people forget I exist
But in all seriousness, glad to see your number 1 pick!
Also, swap TSWLM with LALD and we have the same 6 films in our top 6 -{
It's been 5 days, but I've just becomes he first person in the world with this as my number 1!
1.A View to a Kill
2.For Your Eyes Only
3.Octopussy
4.Skyfall
5.The Spy Who Loved Me
6.Licence to Kill
7.Goldfinger
8.GoldenEye
9.Live and Let Die
10.Moonraker
11.SPECTRE
12.Tomorrow Never Dies
13.Casino Royale(06)
14.The Man With The Golen Gun
15.The World Is Not Enough
16.The Living Daylights
17.Diamonds Are Forever
18.You Only Live Twice
19.From Russia With Love
20.Die Another Day
21.Qauntum of Solace
22.On Her Majesty's Secret Sevice
23.Never Say Never Again
24.Thunderball
25.Dr No
26.Casino Royale(67)
I swear people forget I exist
But in all seriousness, glad to see your number 1 pick!
Also, swap TSWLM with LALD and we have the same 6 films in our top 6 -{
I was about to mention you Jarvio, but then I saw that you posted.
Interesting to see 2 fans of AVTAK.
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Sadly I did make a list but it was considered too perfect, that it was
decided by " Top Men" never to be published, as the state of perfect
nirvana, it would create would crash AJB !
I only list my top Five because after that I really couldn't honestly
decide.
1. OHMSS
2. CR
3.LTK
4.FRWL
5. SF
but they're all good. ( yes even AVTAK) {[]
"I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
Sadly I did make a list but it was considered too perfect, that it was
decided by " Top Men" never to be published, as the state of perfect
nirvana, it would create would crash AJB !
I only list my top Five because after that I really couldn't honestly
decide.
1. OHMSS
2. CR
3.LTK
4.FRWL
5. SF
but they're all good. ( yes even AVTAK) {[]
Spelling error!
It's SPectre not SFectre!
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Here's mine (updated):
1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
2. Skyfall
3. Spectre
4. Casino Royale
5. The Living Daylights
6. Quantum of Solace
7. Licence to Kill
8. Dr. No
9. From Russia with Love
10. For Your Eyes Only
11. Octopussy
12. The World is Not Enough
13. Live and Let Die
14. The Spy Who Loved Me
15. GoldenEye
16. The Man with the Golden Gun
17. Thunderball
18. Goldfinger
19. Moonraker
20. A View to A Kill
21. Tomorrow Never Dies
23. You Only Live Twice
23. Diamonds Are Forever
24. Die Another Day
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
Sadly I did make a list but it was considered too perfect, that it was
decided by " Top Men" never to be published, as the state of perfect
nirvana, it would create would crash AJB !
I only list my top Five because after that I really couldn't honestly
decide.
1. OHMSS
2. CR
3.LTK
4.FRWL
5. SF
but they're all good. ( yes even AVTAK) {[]
1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
2. Skyfall
3. Spectre
4. Casino Royale
5. The Living Daylights
6. Quantum of Solace
7. Licence to Kill
8. Dr. No
9. From Russia with Love
10. For Your Eyes Only
Your Top 10 clearly reflects a preference for the dark, gritty and/or sentimental Bond films.
OHMSS seems to be loved by many on this site.
"Hostile takeovers. Shall we?"
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
2. Skyfall
3. Spectre
4. Casino Royale
5. The Living Daylights
6. Quantum of Solace
7. Licence to Kill
8. Dr. No
9. From Russia with Love
10. For Your Eyes Only
Your Top 10 clearly reflects a preference for the dark, gritty and/or sentimental Bond films.
OHMSS seems to be loved by many on this site.
Yes, you have me pegged correctly, Agent Purple. -{
"The tough man of the world. The Secret Agent. The man who was only a silhouette." - Ian Fleming, Moonraker (1955).
Comments
1.CR
2.FRWL
3.OHMSS
4.GF
5.TLD
6.SF
7.DN
8.FYEO
9.TB
10.LTK
11.TSWLM
12.LALD
13.OP
14.MR
15.SPECTRE
16.QoS
17.TWINE
18.YOLT
19.AVTAK
20.DAF
21.TMWTGG
22.GE
23.DAD
24.TND
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
I don't like the karate scences, I don't like Sheriff Pepper, I don't like yet another boat chase after LALD, I don't like Mary Goodnight, I don't like the car chase with Sheriff Pepper, I don't like the river jump stunt, I don't like the flying car. There are many things that I like too.
At least we share TLD and GF in our Top 5s.
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
http://www.ajb007.co.uk/site/favourite/james-bond-films/compare/17527
I did two Bondathons this year and I have seen Spectre seven times so this ranking is pretty cemented for the moment
01 SP (yes, this is not typo
02 GE (my No 1 since 20 years, oops...now it's dethroned
03 TLD (Timothy Dalton is my favourite Bond actor)
04 OHMSS (objectively I'd rate this No 1)
05 CR (would never have thought that this would someday not be my favourite Craig movie)
06 OP (I like Roger Moore much better than my ranking of his Bonds would suggest)
07 FRWL (clearly Connery's best)
08 GF (clearly Connery's best....ahem....as well
09 LTK (Timothy Dalton is my favourite...you know
10 TND (yes, Brosnan made more than only one great Bond movie)
11 FYEO (only on 11th? damn, it's crowed at the top :007) )
12 LALD (my favourite sequence of all Bonds happens in this, speed-boat/police car chase and Sheriff Pepper)
13 QOS (if this were not edited like an epileptic episode it could be in the Top 5)
14 DAD (yes, no typo
15 MR (probably my guilty pleasure Bond, just fabulous and I love the space fight)
16 TSWLM (even at No 16 this still is a great Bond movie, as there are very few "not great" Bond movies)
17 DN (the first and I'm almost ashamed to rank it so "low", well someone has to occupy spot 17
18 TB (formerly in my Top 5 but nowadays I'm a bit bored with that one)
19 SF (the most overrated Bond ever, still far from a bad Bond movie, because such a thing doesn't exist)
20 TWINE (the blueprint for SF, I didn't like M being pursued by the baddie here, I don't like it in SF either)
21 YOLT (the end-game is brilliant and best set ever built for a Bond movie, but that's not enough to get higher)
22 AVTAK (if you can't be sure who is older, Q, M, MP, Macnee or Bond, then somethings wrong
23 TMWTGG (maybe this could be called "not so good", maybe)
24 DAF (clearly the least good of them all, Connery is just wrong in this and those fake explosions make look DADs CGI top notch
24 Bond movies. Even the one at the bottom can be called satisfactory. There has yet to be a Bond movie made that is really not good.
Jason :x
SPECTRE the number one Bond film!!! Not sure I have seen that on any other Bond list.
Interesting list and love your little notes for each film.
Welcome.
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
FYEO is formulaic? One reason I love it is because it broke from the Bond formula that defined all of Moore's other Bond films.
It is an amazing film .... A different Moore film may not necessarily make it a different Bond film
It's different from any Moore or Connery film since Goldfinger, when the formula was established. If that doesn't make it a different Bond film, I don't know what would.
You left out - DN, FRWL and OHMSS, which implies that you agree that it may not necessarily have been a different Bond film .... Anyways, how much different it is from the established formula, iyo?
I left those out because they don't follow the Bond formula. DN does in a way, but it can't be following a formula if there wasn't a formula established. Some Bond films follow the formula more closely than others. FYEO is one of the more unique Bond films, like FRWL and OHMSS. It's not different from all of the Bond films, just different from the ones that purely rely on formula. There's no absurd villain or henchman, no far-fetched plot from the villain, the plot now involves real-world politics, no silly gadgets except for the ones on display at Q's lab. Bond has become a much different character who now has a down-to-earth personality and does paperwork. I'll say that is has more formulaic elements than FRWL or OHMSS, but it's a very different film from the most of the Bond films that came before. All of Moore other films are more formulaic, yet you defined FYEO as formulaic when you didn't define LALD and TMWTGG as formulaic, when they follow the formula more closely.
You have made some good points .... First let me say that I did not write "formulaic" for some of the other films because that would have made me sound monotonous. With that out of the way, allow me make a few points as well
FYEO is a tough film for me to rate. It can fit nicely at any slot from #7 to #15 in my ranking (That's how close these films are). I put it at #13. To feel that I was not being unjust to it - I specifically used "formulaic" for it
Some of the points that you made for FYEO, can be applied to TMWTGG as well. To illustrate, I will use some of your points and link them to TMWTGG:
a) "There's no absurd villain or henchman" - TMWTGG has no absurb villian or henchman (Living in the 21st century, we will not consider being a midget as being absurb. How we look is not in our hands)
b) "no far-fetched plot from the villain" - applies to the villain in TMWTGG too
c) "the plot now involves real-world politics" - Potential solution to oil crisis has more real-world politics involved
d) "no silly gadgets except for the ones on display at Q's lab" - In TWMTGG, Bond has no silly gadgets. Sporting the 3rd nipple was a part of the plot (if you consider it as silly)
e) "Bond has become a much different character who now has a down-to-earth personality" - That is a subjective point (as can Bond ever appear down to earth) but in TMWTGG too, he did appear down to earth. IIRC, he was scolded on many occasions by M. Bond also made a few mistakes / wrong assumptions. Scaramange also mentions, something to the order, that they both do similar jobs but Bond earns peanuts
So the differentiating points that you gave for FYEO are applicable to TMWTGG as well. And if you believe TMWTGG to be formulaic, there is no harm in considering FYEO to be one too .... On the other hand, if your points make TMWTGG not formulaic too, then FYEO is not as unique as you believe it to be :007)
a) Nick Nack being a midget was intended to be special in the same way Jaws in a giant and Oddjob is a silent brick. Though it's offensive, that's what was intended.
b) okay
c) The main plot of TMWTGG was about Bond assassinating Scaramanga. The Solex was a small side plot.
d) The silly gadgets always are part of the plot and help Bond get out of a jam. The third nipple was made by Q and totally counts the same way the ejector seat does.
e) Bond is a tough, stuck-up and obnoxious character in TMWTGG, just the same as Connery was. Moore lost the toughness in his next two Bond films but still had everything else. In FYEO he's suddenly much more personable.
a) In that case, FYEO had a giant henchman with enormous strength too .... To refresh your memory:
c) In that case, OP's main plot was to investigate the egg .... And in DAF, it was investigating diamond smuggling .... this would make FYEO less unique
d) But the 3rd nipple did not bail Bond out. And if we have to be nit-picky, Bond drove Lotus (one white and one red) in FYEO which was from Q's lab
PS
"From the 1981 Bond film For Your Eyes Only, a modified Seiko H357 Duo Display receives messages from HQ on a scrolling LED marquis."
1.A View to a Kill
2.For Your Eyes Only
3.Octopussy
4.Skyfall
5.The Spy Who Loved Me
6.Licence to Kill
7.Goldfinger
8.GoldenEye
9.Live and Let Die
10.Moonraker
11.SPECTRE
12.Tomorrow Never Dies
13.Casino Royale(06)
14.The Man With The Golen Gun
15.The World Is Not Enough
16.The Living Daylights
17.Diamonds Are Forever
18.You Only Live Twice
19.From Russia With Love
20.Die Another Day
21.Qauntum of Solace
22.On Her Majesty's Secret Sevice
23.Never Say Never Again
24.Thunderball
25.Dr No
26.Casino Royale(67)
I swear people forget I exist
But in all seriousness, glad to see your number 1 pick!
Also, swap TSWLM with LALD and we have the same 6 films in our top 6 -{
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
I was about to mention you Jarvio, but then I saw that you posted.
Interesting to see 2 fans of AVTAK.
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
Would like to see your list to if you hv made one
decided by " Top Men" never to be published, as the state of perfect
nirvana, it would create would crash AJB !
I only list my top Five because after that I really couldn't honestly
decide.
1. OHMSS
2. CR
3.LTK
4.FRWL
5. SF
but they're all good. ( yes even AVTAK) {[]
Spelling error!
It's SPectre not SFectre!
1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
2. Skyfall
3. Spectre
4. Casino Royale
5. The Living Daylights
6. Quantum of Solace
7. Licence to Kill
8. Dr. No
9. From Russia with Love
10. For Your Eyes Only
11. Octopussy
12. The World is Not Enough
13. Live and Let Die
14. The Spy Who Loved Me
15. GoldenEye
16. The Man with the Golden Gun
17. Thunderball
18. Goldfinger
19. Moonraker
20. A View to A Kill
21. Tomorrow Never Dies
23. You Only Live Twice
23. Diamonds Are Forever
24. Die Another Day
To OHMSS -{
Your Top 10 clearly reflects a preference for the dark, gritty and/or sentimental Bond films.
OHMSS seems to be loved by many on this site.
New 2020 ranking (for now DAF and FYEO keep their previous placements)
1. TLD 2. TND 3. GF 4. TSWLM 5. TWINE 6. OHMSS 7. LtK 8. TMWTGG 9. L&LD 10. YOLT 11. DAD 12. QoS 13. DN 14. GE 15. SF 16. OP 17. MR 18. AVTAK 19. TB 20. FRWL 21. CR 22. FYEO 23. DAF (SP to be included later)
Bond actors to be re-ranked later
I'll have to watch it a few more times to see where it
finally ends up. -{
Yes, you have me pegged correctly, Agent Purple.