Yeah, Dan. You're right. He didn't come across as too menacing in that flick although he showed bad guy tendencies. We'll have to see as time goes along how this thing plays out.
True, very true. I am really looking foreward to this film. I loved Batman Begins and, if the sequel is half as good as the original, I would be delighted.
One request though; would it be possible for Nolan to allow us to see most of the action scenes? I loved the action scenes in BB but there were a few scenes towards the start which I think were too murky.
I loved "Batman Begins," too, except for the fight scenes. I think Nolan was trying to make them more intense by getting in close, but made them murky instead and defeated his purpose. I don't think he'll make the same mistake twice. A lot of people have called him on that.
In fact, if CR turns out as well as BB, I'll be happy. BB had a serious-without-being-ponderous tone that was refreshing after the last two Batman outings, and reintroduced familiar Batman themes in an imaginative way. Bale was a worthy successor to Keaton, who I thought was wonderful despite his un-Batmanlike appearance. His secret identity would have been a secret.
Didn't Ward publish his own version? I remember West not acknowledging his co-star's rendition stating that the facts were either false or blown out of proportion. I think that was in the 90s?
Ah yes, "My Life In Tights" wherein Ward basically painted himself and West as a couple of studs hitting on every female in sight. West clearly didn't care for the book but also didn't give Ward too hard a time for it.
Wasn't there a TV special called Back to the Batcave? I believe it was hilarious... if memory serves.
I saw that too, I think it was only on TV once. It mixed reminiscences from the book (the guy they hired to play a young Adam West had his mannerisms down pat) with a fictionalized story centering on the old Batmobile from the TV show being stolen and Adam West and Burt Ward trying to figure out who stole it.
It was very funny and very nostalgic (especially for guys like me who grew up on that show) but Burt Ward had packed on a ton of weight and looked absolutely terrible.
The article linked below has a few more tidbits directly from Christopher Nolan on the next movie. He talks briefly about the title, the major themes in the movie, and the Joker. Check it out...
What I like is Nolan's comment that The Joker will be based on his first two appearances in the comic book. To my mind, nothing was creepier than this original conception:
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What I like is Nolan's comment that The Joker will be based on his first two appearances in the comic book. To my mind, nothing was creepier than this original conception:
Bring it on!
Bring it on indeed, H.B. I'm willing to believe that Nolan will fit the mood perfectly for the new Joker. {[]
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Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice isUNISEX!"
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What I like is Nolan's comment that The Joker will be based on his first two appearances in the comic book. To my mind, nothing was creepier than this original conception:
Bring it on!
Bring it on indeed, H.B. I'm willing to believe that Nolan will fit the mood perfectly for the new Joker. {[]
I really hope they go easy on the prosthetics for Joker's face. I never really cared for the appliances that gave Nicholson that perpetual smile in the 1989 movie. I'd just go with the white face, red lips, subtly green hair, and let the actor do the rest.
I really hope they go easy on the prosthetics for Joker's face. I never really cared for the appliances that gave Nicholson that perpetual smile in the 1989 movie. I'd just go with the white face, red lips, subtly green hair, and let the actor do the rest.
I have to disagree with that. I loved Nicholson's Joker, perpetual smile and all.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Actually, what I hope is that there's no origin story for The Joker--just let him be what he is, a menacing and homicidal clown.
I agree with you in that origin stories can take away the mystery and ruin the fun (do I need to mention CR? ) but I think that, if done properly, an origin story could actually enhance the unique horror that is The Joker. An example is the origin story for Kyser Soze in The Usual Suspects. Much of my fear of Soze and acknowledgment of his being the 'devil' comes specifically from that origin story.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
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I really hope they go easy on the prosthetics for Joker's face. I never really cared for the appliances that gave Nicholson that perpetual smile in the 1989 movie. I'd just go with the white face, red lips, subtly green hair, and let the actor do the rest.
I have to disagree with that. I loved Nicholson's Joker, perpetual smile and all.
The cosmetics used to get Joker's look in the '89 version were fine with me, although I strongly doubt that Nolan will take that approach with his rendition of the iconic villian.
Expect a more realistic look where the actor may be called on to interpret certain facial expressions associated with the J- man in the comics. Looking at Ledger, in that area, might be a task...Only Jim Carrey could pull off those constant muscle smirks without inciting spasms.
Why do I feel though that Nolan will give him the grossest of dental prosthetics? I can almost see that coming... )
Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice isUNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
Why do I feel though that Nolan will give him the grossest of dental prosthetics? I can almost see that coming... )
I doubt it. I've never read the comics but based on BB I'm pretty sure that whatever Nolan does, The Joker will look realistic. Well, as realistic as he can look, considering that he is The Joker.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
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Why do I feel though that Nolan will give him the grossest of dental prosthetics? I can almost see that coming... )
I doubt it. I've never read the comics but based on BB I'm pretty sure that whatever Nolan does, The Joker will look realistic. Well, as realistic as he can look, considering that he is The Joker.
Unfortunately...there are quite a few people out there who realistically have very jacked-up dental work so if done properly, Nolan wouldn't be selling out. )
It would just add to Joker's malevolence.
Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice isUNISEX!"
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Does anybody know if The Dark Knight will feature two villains, and if so, who the second villain will be?
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
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Does anybody know if The Dark Knight will feature two villains, and if so, who the second villain will be?
There's all kinds of rumors being thrown around. Some say Phillip Seymour Hoffman is in talks to play Penguin. Others say they're talking to another actor to play Harvey Dent. Sorry, I forget the actors name. I'd wait a few more months though. I'm sure the studio will confirm all rumors.
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There's all kinds of rumors being thrown around. Some say Phillip Seymour Hoffman is in talks to play Penguin. Others say they're talking to another actor to play Harvey Dent. Sorry, I forget the actors name. I'd wait a few more months though. I'm sure the studio will confirm all rumors.
Interesting. PSH could be very good (although I didn't love him in MI:3). The problem, however, that I have with this is that all of the prospective villains (Joker, Penguin, Two-Face) were in the Burton/Schumacher films. I haven't read the comics but are there any really great villains which haven't featured in the original films?
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
The problem, however, that I have with this is that all of the prospective villains (Joker, Penguin, Two-Face) were in the Burton/Schumacher films. I haven't read the comics but are there any really great villains which haven't featured in the original films?
Over the course of the previous 5 films they have pretty much covered Batman's Rogues gallery. I think that was part of the reason for the reboot with Batman Begins, the first 4 had pretty much killed everybody else off. There are other villains of course, but none as memorable as the ones that have made it into the movies.
Off the top of my head, the only other repeat villains of note that come to mind are...
Clayface, who can assume the same of any person or object - maybe a little too scifi for Batman
Killer Croc, circus freak who looks like a cross between a human and a crocodile
Man-Bat, scientist who messed around with bat DNA and transformed himself
The Reaper, vigilante who stalked Gotham before Batman came to prominence
The Ventriloquist and ScarFace, another split personality; the ventriloquist is meek and cowardly and ScarFace, who even though he's only a puppet, is the brains of the operation.
There are more of course but those are the first that come to mind.
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Don't forget Jervis Tetch; The Mad Hatter. I could really see Nolan doing something cool with him for some reason.
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Personally, I always liked the Ventriloquist and Scarface. The split personality angle makes a good foil for Batman and the idea of a bunch of goons and thugs answering to a 3 foot puppet has a disturbingly amusing quality to it. Some of my favorite episodes from the animated series involved this character and I think visually it could make for an interesting villain as well.
Personally, I always liked the Ventriloquist and Scarface. The split personality angle makes a good foil for Batman and the idea of a bunch of goons and thugs answering to a 3 foot puppet has a disturbingly amusing quality to it. Some of my favorite episodes from the animated series involved this character and I think visually it could make for an interesting villain as well.
I think it would as well.Ventriloquist and his puppet Scarface hark back to the characters in Dead of Night and Magic and as a result might be particularly appealing to Nolan-as opposed to using a more bizarre looking villain.
As for The Joker,I'm thinking all Nolan has to do is reproduce the basic look Conrad Veidt had as Gywnplaine in The Man Who Laughs.It's the principal inspiration for The Joker and could be quite frightening and with the advances in makeup today, might even be "realistic" enough to suit Nolan--without signaling a complete departure from the character as he is known throughout the world.
Bane was a good opponent for Batman but I think he was actually used in Batman and Robin briefly. How about 'King Tut' from the television series?
) ) Victor Buono was by far my favorite villain from the old show although he was an original character specifically created for the show. He also had some of the best lines of the show: "It's Batman alright, who else in this modern age dynasty could be so square."
Here's a little trivia for you: Yul Brynner originally wanted to be Tut and lobbied for the role. In the end it went to Buono because, among other things, Brynner smoked and one of the producers hated cigarette smoke.
I'd pay good money if they'd release the show on DVD, sadly the rights are in dispute between Fox and WB.
As for The Joker,I'm thinking all Nolan has to do is reproduce the basic look Conrad Veidt had as Gywnplaine in The Man Who Laughs.It's the principal inspiration for The Joker and could be quite frightening and with the advances in makeup today, might even be "realistic" enough to suit Nolan--without signaling a complete departure from the character as he is known throughout the world.
I was thinking the same thing. Gywnplaine and the Joker from those first books are basically twins. If that's Nolan's inspiration, it should make for a striking visual appearance and still be different enough from Nicholson's version to avoid the usual comparisons.
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Wasn't Buono like a regular bad guy on Wild, Wild West as well? ?:)
I think that the HUSH storyline could be loosely used in some future incarnation of the new series; also I'd love to see a Knightfall film which I think Nolan can play up his strengths with. Azrael going all psycho as the new Batman has always been one of my favorite story arcs.
I do have the PERFECT guy for The Ventriloquist... PAUL GIAMATTI! Bam!
Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice isUNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
Wasn't Buono like a regular bad guy on Wild, Wild West as well? ?:)
As I recall, he played several characters including Count Manzeppi, who tried to swipe the Philosipher's Stone in one episode. God, I need to get a life.
I think that the HUSH storyline could be loosely used in some future incarnation of the new series; also I'd love to see a Knightfall film which I think Nolan can play up his strengths with. Azrael going all psycho as the new Batman has always been one of my favorite story arcs.
I loved the issue where Joker decides to make a snuff movie about the death of Batman and, as he sees Az-Bats struggle to escape from his trap, quickly figures out the truth: "It's...not...him"
I do have the PERFECT guy for The Ventriloquist... PAUL GIAMATTI! Bam!
He'd be very good. Basically, anybody who can play a convincing milquetoast would be a good Ventriloquist. William H. Macy would be another intesting choice.
I always thought Bob Hoskins would be perfectly cast as The Penguin--much more so than Philip Seymour Hoffman.I think Hoskins is a superb actor,he's a Brit who can speak with a pretty convincing "American" accent and Hoskins wouldn't require much makeup at all.And Hoskins is definitely the correct physical type as well,something Hoffman really isn't.Indeed,
Hoffman would be the slimmest and tallest Penguin ever to appear on the screen.What's the point of that?I don't care for casting against type.
Using Hoskins would also give Nolan another opportunity to make a comic book character look relatively "realistic" without significantly altering the character's accepted appearance.
The Riddler could adapt easily as well.Just keep him in a dark green suit with an optional domino mask(or not).Leave the leotard with the multiple ????? on it behind.
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The Riddler could adapt easily as well.Just keep him in a dark green suit with an optional domino mask(or not).Leave the leotard with the multiple ????? on it behind.
I've always loved Frank Gorshin in the 3-piece suit as opposed to the leotard, W.G. More gangster-esque IMO. But there's got to be some ????s somewhere on the attire without making him look too ridiculous...
Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice isUNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
The Riddler could adapt easily as well.Just keep him in a dark green suit with an optional domino mask(or not).Leave the leotard with the multiple ????? on it behind.
I've always loved Frank Gorshin in the 3-piece suit as opposed to the leotard, W.G. More gangster-esque IMO. But there's got to be some ????s somewhere on the attire without making him look too ridiculous...
I agree.No one will ever own the role of The Riddler like Gorshin did.He was just wonderful in the part.He was such a fine actor that if the Batman series had been played in a more serious manner,he'd have still been outstanding--maybe even frightening.
If the decision is ever made to bring this character back,then the three-piece suit with fedora would be the way to go.Give him a stickpin with a ? on it along with matching cufflinks--maybe even vest buttons with ?s on them.Nothing too ostentatious but visible if you look for them.Very much along the lines of Frank's gangster suit.
As for The Joker,I'm thinking all Nolan has to do is reproduce the basic look Conrad Veidt had as Gywnplaine in The Man Who Laughs.It's the principal inspiration for The Joker and could be quite frightening and with the advances in makeup today, might even be "realistic" enough to suit Nolan--without signaling a complete departure from the character as he is known throughout the world.
Behold!
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I can almost assure you that Joker's teeth will look that bad or even worse. His villian will look very repulsive and gritty. Nothing like Jack at all...
My concern is, will they axe the J-man's laughter or just minimize it to certain sequences?
Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice isUNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
I can almost assure you that Joker's teeth will look that bad or even worse. His villian will look very repulsive and gritty. Nothing like Jack at all...
My concern is, will they axe the J-man's laughter or just minimize it to certain sequences?
I'm hoping they really minimize The Joker's laughter and that when he does laugh the sound is absolutely chilling.The original version of The Joker was not a nice guy--he was a brooding psychopathic contract killer.And he didn't always smile.Bad to the bone and proud of it--not an overly-hyper standup comedian.In fact,many of the things Joker found anusing wouldn't qualify as humorous to a normal person.More Freddy Kruger at his nastiest or Hannibal Lecter than what we saw with Cesar Romero(who,in all fairness, played the more simplified and nonthreatening Clown Prince of Crime DC was publishing during the 50s and 60s).
IMO Jack Nicholson played the 1970s Steve Englehart version of The Joker which was greatly influenced by the original Bill Finger characterization, which in turn was filtered(and toned down) through Warren Skaaren's rewrite of Sam Hamm's screenplay.This created a hybrid of styles that IMO was not as imposing or twisted as the animated version of Joker sometimes hinted at--within the strict confines of the TV show.
I just want The Joker to be terrifying as opposed to amusing.:)
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I loved "Batman Begins," too, except for the fight scenes. I think Nolan was trying to make them more intense by getting in close, but made them murky instead and defeated his purpose. I don't think he'll make the same mistake twice. A lot of people have called him on that.
In fact, if CR turns out as well as BB, I'll be happy. BB had a serious-without-being-ponderous tone that was refreshing after the last two Batman outings, and reintroduced familiar Batman themes in an imaginative way. Bale was a worthy successor to Keaton, who I thought was wonderful despite his un-Batmanlike appearance. His secret identity would have been a secret.
Ah yes, "My Life In Tights" wherein Ward basically painted himself and West as a couple of studs hitting on every female in sight. West clearly didn't care for the book but also didn't give Ward too hard a time for it.
I saw that too, I think it was only on TV once. It mixed reminiscences from the book (the guy they hired to play a young Adam West had his mannerisms down pat) with a fictionalized story centering on the old Batmobile from the TV show being stolen and Adam West and Burt Ward trying to figure out who stole it.
It was very funny and very nostalgic (especially for guys like me who grew up on that show) but Burt Ward had packed on a ton of weight and looked absolutely terrible.
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Bring it on indeed, H.B. I'm willing to believe that Nolan will fit the mood perfectly for the new Joker. {[]
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
I really hope they go easy on the prosthetics for Joker's face. I never really cared for the appliances that gave Nicholson that perpetual smile in the 1989 movie. I'd just go with the white face, red lips, subtly green hair, and let the actor do the rest.
The cosmetics used to get Joker's look in the '89 version were fine with me, although I strongly doubt that Nolan will take that approach with his rendition of the iconic villian.
Expect a more realistic look where the actor may be called on to interpret certain facial expressions associated with the J- man in the comics. Looking at Ledger, in that area, might be a task...Only Jim Carrey could pull off those constant muscle smirks without inciting spasms.
Why do I feel though that Nolan will give him the grossest of dental prosthetics? I can almost see that coming...
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
Unfortunately...there are quite a few people out there who realistically have very jacked-up dental work so if done properly, Nolan wouldn't be selling out.
It would just add to Joker's malevolence.
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
There's all kinds of rumors being thrown around. Some say Phillip Seymour Hoffman is in talks to play Penguin. Others say they're talking to another actor to play Harvey Dent. Sorry, I forget the actors name. I'd wait a few more months though. I'm sure the studio will confirm all rumors.
Over the course of the previous 5 films they have pretty much covered Batman's Rogues gallery. I think that was part of the reason for the reboot with Batman Begins, the first 4 had pretty much killed everybody else off. There are other villains of course, but none as memorable as the ones that have made it into the movies.
Off the top of my head, the only other repeat villains of note that come to mind are...
Clayface, who can assume the same of any person or object - maybe a little too scifi for Batman
Killer Croc, circus freak who looks like a cross between a human and a crocodile
Man-Bat, scientist who messed around with bat DNA and transformed himself
The Reaper, vigilante who stalked Gotham before Batman came to prominence
The Ventriloquist and ScarFace, another split personality; the ventriloquist is meek and cowardly and ScarFace, who even though he's only a puppet, is the brains of the operation.
There are more of course but those are the first that come to mind.
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
Reading the above posts about possible villians I kept thinking about the Mad Hatter, Rogue beat me to it, but I like the idea.
I think it would as well.Ventriloquist and his puppet Scarface hark back to the characters in Dead of Night and Magic and as a result might be particularly appealing to Nolan-as opposed to using a more bizarre looking villain.
As for The Joker,I'm thinking all Nolan has to do is reproduce the basic look Conrad Veidt had as Gywnplaine in The Man Who Laughs.It's the principal inspiration for The Joker and could be quite frightening and with the advances in makeup today, might even be "realistic" enough to suit Nolan--without signaling a complete departure from the character as he is known throughout the world.
Here's a little trivia for you: Yul Brynner originally wanted to be Tut and lobbied for the role. In the end it went to Buono because, among other things, Brynner smoked and one of the producers hated cigarette smoke.
I'd pay good money if they'd release the show on DVD, sadly the rights are in dispute between Fox and WB.
I was thinking the same thing. Gywnplaine and the Joker from those first books are basically twins. If that's Nolan's inspiration, it should make for a striking visual appearance and still be different enough from Nicholson's version to avoid the usual comparisons.
I think that the HUSH storyline could be loosely used in some future incarnation of the new series; also I'd love to see a Knightfall film which I think Nolan can play up his strengths with. Azrael going all psycho as the new Batman has always been one of my favorite story arcs.
I do have the PERFECT guy for The Ventriloquist... PAUL GIAMATTI! Bam!
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
As I recall, he played several characters including Count Manzeppi, who tried to swipe the Philosipher's Stone in one episode. God, I need to get a life.
I loved the issue where Joker decides to make a snuff movie about the death of Batman and, as he sees Az-Bats struggle to escape from his trap, quickly figures out the truth: "It's...not...him"
He'd be very good. Basically, anybody who can play a convincing milquetoast would be a good Ventriloquist. William H. Macy would be another intesting choice.
Hoffman would be the slimmest and tallest Penguin ever to appear on the screen.What's the point of that?I don't care for casting against type.
Using Hoskins would also give Nolan another opportunity to make a comic book character look relatively "realistic" without significantly altering the character's accepted appearance.
The Riddler could adapt easily as well.Just keep him in a dark green suit with an optional domino mask(or not).Leave the leotard with the multiple ????? on it behind.
I've always loved Frank Gorshin in the 3-piece suit as opposed to the leotard, W.G. More gangster-esque IMO. But there's got to be some ????s somewhere on the attire without making him look too ridiculous...
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
I agree.No one will ever own the role of The Riddler like Gorshin did.He was just wonderful in the part.He was such a fine actor that if the Batman series had been played in a more serious manner,he'd have still been outstanding--maybe even frightening.
If the decision is ever made to bring this character back,then the three-piece suit with fedora would be the way to go.Give him a stickpin with a ? on it along with matching cufflinks--maybe even vest buttons with ?s on them.Nothing too ostentatious but visible if you look for them.Very much along the lines of Frank's gangster suit.
Behold!
My concern is, will they axe the J-man's laughter or just minimize it to certain sequences?
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
I'm hoping they really minimize The Joker's laughter and that when he does laugh the sound is absolutely chilling.The original version of The Joker was not a nice guy--he was a brooding psychopathic contract killer.And he didn't always smile.Bad to the bone and proud of it--not an overly-hyper standup comedian.In fact,many of the things Joker found anusing wouldn't qualify as humorous to a normal person.More Freddy Kruger at his nastiest or Hannibal Lecter than what we saw with Cesar Romero(who,in all fairness, played the more simplified and nonthreatening Clown Prince of Crime DC was publishing during the 50s and 60s).
IMO Jack Nicholson played the 1970s Steve Englehart version of The Joker which was greatly influenced by the original Bill Finger characterization, which in turn was filtered(and toned down) through Warren Skaaren's rewrite of Sam Hamm's screenplay.This created a hybrid of styles that IMO was not as imposing or twisted as the animated version of Joker sometimes hinted at--within the strict confines of the TV show.
I just want The Joker to be terrifying as opposed to amusing.:)