Batman Begins

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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited September 2006
    TonyDP wrote:
    Dan, if you haven't already done so, drop everything and go check out the animated Batman & Superman: World's Finest. Absolutely awesome Batman/Superman crossover where both heros really get to kick ass, strut their stuff and show that they're more equally matched than you might at first think. If WB just filmed this as a live action movie with Christian Bale and Brandon Routh, it would earn at least $500 million. Guaranteed.
    I doubt that I'll be able to access it, but thanks for the suggestion anyway. :)
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,307MI6 Agent
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Ease up, Tony... It was the 70s and we were pretty green. :)) That was clearly a different time. This generation's content comes across alot bolder for kids/pre-teens than ours did. Not our fault that we wised up sooner than expected...

    I hear ya, but it's funny how some stuff holds up and other stuff doesn't. I still love the old WB and Hanna Barbera cartoons; but then I try to watch Speed Racer or Ultraman and I cringe at every scene.
    And I detested Wendy, Marvin & those Wonder Twins, too.

    Wanna know what I really hated? Ted Knight's pompous, bag of wind, voiceover narrations on those Superfriends shows. As for the Wonder Twins, I always thought Zan got screwed. His sister could morph into any animal she could imagine while his only superpower was to change into different states of water. What a wuss. I can't beleive Alex Ross is a fan of that stuff; he lost major points with me when he fessed up to that.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
    I can't beleive Alex Ross is a fan of that stuff; he lost major points with me when he fessed up to that.



    Ok...I hope this doesn't jepordized our buddy system, Tony but this particular poster hangs proudly in my studio room; the hero you hate by the artist that you don't respect much...now. :D

    IMG]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/RougeArtist/aquaman.jpg[/IMG]

    Hey, man, that's the coolest pose I've seen of him yet so I bought it about 4 years ago. :))
    Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"

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  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited September 2006
    TonyDP wrote:
    I can't beleive Alex Ross is a fan of that stuff; he lost major points with me when he fessed up to that.



    Ok...I hope this doesn't jepordized our buddy system, Tony but this particular poster hangs proudly in my studio room; the hero you hate by the artist that you don't respect much...now. :D

    aquaman.jpg

    Hey, man, that's the coolest pose I've seen of him yet so I bought it about 4 years ago. :))
    Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"

    Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
    -Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,307MI6 Agent
    edited September 2006
    Don't worry, our friendship is not in jeopardy. In fact, being the completist that I am, I even have a silver age Aquaman statue in the collection, as you can see in the lower right corner here...


    http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a153/TonyDP/Collectibles/statues02.jpg
  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,906Chief of Staff
    Glad to see you gave Captain Marvel such a prominent position in your collection, Tony. Shazam!
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  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited September 2006
    TonyDP wrote:
    Don't worry, our friendship is not in jeopardy. In fact, being the completist that I am, I even have a silver age Aquaman statue in the collection, as you can see in the lower right corner here...


    http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a153/TonyDP/Collectibles/statues02.jpg



    That is an impressive display, Tony. You should rig it that the Superfiends' theme is playing as soon as you click on the light to enter. ;%
    Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"

    Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
    -Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,307MI6 Agent
    RogueAgent wrote:
    That is an impressive display, Tony. You should rig it that the Superfiends' theme is playing as soon as you click on the light to enter. ;%

    And maybe I'll get a Ted Baxter soundalike to do a voiceover whenever you walk into the room as well ... then again, maybe not. :p
  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,906Chief of Staff
    Here's a Dark Knight update--Harvey Dent will indeed be in the movie, but it isn't clear if he'll become Two-Face in this film. You can follow the news at IGN, or just read about it here:

    October 3, 2006 - IGN attended "An Evening With Christopher Nolan" on Oct. 2 at the historic Egyptian Theatre in Hollywood where Nolan's first feature, Following, was screened along with the trailer for the filmmaker's next release, The Prestige.

    Nolan and his wife-producer Emma Thomas were in attendance for a Q&A session after the film. The director's brother Jonah Nolan, who is scripting The Dark Knight, was also there but did not take questions from the audience.

    IGN got the chance to ask Chris Nolan if The Dark Knight would delve further into the themes established in Batman Begins, specifically the idea of justice vs. revenge and the exploration of Bruce Wayne's father issues.

    "I haven't finished the script yet. I'm supposed to be doing it right now," Nolan admitted, sparking laughter from the crowd. "It does, absolutely. It's a pretty direct continuation of where the last film left off, and the last scene of Batman Begins suggests a strong direction we wanted to take the story in. It absolutely carries on with a lot of the thematic concerns and hopefully takes it someplace new."

    When we asked if District Attorney Harvey Dent – a.k.a. Batman's future nemesis Two-Face – would indeed be in the film, Nolan replied, "I don't want to go into too many specifics. Yes, he is."

    IGN caught up with Nolan as he was exiting the event and asked if Dent had been cast. "Not yet." Would that actor be an American, an Aussie or a Brit? "You'll see," Nolan promised.

    Nolan was also asked during the event about his plans to direct the big-screen version of the TV classic, The Prisoner.

    "The Prisoner is something I've been interested in for quite a long time, and I think I've figured out the take on how we'd approach it," Nolan explained. "The relevance of it today. David and Janet Peoples are terrific, who you know wrote Blade Runner and Twelve Monkeys... all kinds of great movies. They're working on the script right now. I wouldn't want to speak for them. I'm very excited to see what they've come up with."
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  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited October 2006
    Hardyboy wrote:
    Nolan was also asked during the event about his plans to direct the big-screen version of the TV classic, The Prisoner.

    "The Prisoner is something I've been interested in for quite a long time, and I think I've figured out the take on how we'd approach it," Nolan explained. "The relevance of it today. David and Janet Peoples are terrific, who you know wrote Blade Runner and Twelve Monkeys... all kinds of great movies. They're working on the script right now. I wouldn't want to speak for them. I'm very excited to see what they've come up with."



    :o :o :o


    Oooooooh... I hope I'm not being toyed with.
    Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"

    Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
    -Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,307MI6 Agent
    Some nice tidbits there HB, thanks for the post. I like the idea of Nolan doing a film version of The Prisoner too; I think he could definitely bring a new and original angle to the project.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
    Some nice tidbits there HB, thanks for the post. I like the idea of Nolan doing a film version of The Prisoner too; I think he could definitely bring a new and original angle to the project.


    Now if someone could have the perfect angle to brilliantly recreate Napolean Solo on the big screen... B-)
    Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"

    Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
    -Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited October 2006
    I love Christopher Nolan. He could eventually become one of my favourite directors. I absolutely loved Memento, really enjoyed Insomnia, adored Batman Begins and am desperately hoping that The Prestige will be great. If it is great, and Batman 2 will also be terrific, then I will be counting him among my 'must watch' directors.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Barry NelsonBarry Nelson ChicagoPosts: 1,508MI6 Agent
    Watched this movie again tonight, having last seen it in the cinema. A great movie, by far the best Batman. Gotham city (Chicago was used) looks great, he cinematography is suitably dark, the plot flows smoothly with the proper amount of characters, the Batman background story is told well and all the performances are well done. I liked the little kid Bruce Wayne stroy, the vengeful Bruce Wayne story, not sure about the Asian crime period of his life story, but I can live with it, and the becoming Batman with the couple early missteps is very well done. As I stated before, what was nice about this movie, as opposed to other Batman movies, was that the focus was on Batman, not three villians or two sidekicks, etc. We had Batman and a bad guy and Bruce Wayne's inner struggle with his demons. To me that is Batman. I am not a big comic book reader, but I was a fairly regular reader of the Batman (Detective Comics)series and I believe this movie puts a fairly similar spin to the Batman story. I liked it and can't wait for the next one.
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,307MI6 Agent
    Funny you mention that Barry; I recently watched BB again as well to break in a new upscaling DVD player that I'd gotten. The movie definitely does hold up and is just as entertaining as when I first watched it.

    I particularly liked and respected the fact that, even though it was a reboot, they didn't ditch all the conventions and ancillary characters associated with Batman. And it was refreshing to finally have a movie that focused on Bruce Wayne more than the villains.

    Hopefully, Nolan and Co. will be able to maintain that balance for the sequel.
  • NightshooterNightshooter In bed with SolitairePosts: 2,917MI6 Agent
    It was also nice to have a perfectly casted Gordon. FINALLY.

    I was greatly disappointed in Commissioner Loeb, however. He seemed like a jerk, sure, but not like he had his hand in all aspects of gotham crime as the Loeb from the comics did. He wasn't sleazy enough. Flass, even though he looked nothing like in the comics, was sleazy, so he worked well. Loeb did not.
  • arthur pringlearthur pringle SpacePosts: 366MI6 Agent
    edited October 2006
    I finally bought Batman Begins on DVD last week and watched it again twice. I am still absolutely knocked out by this film. The casting is wonderful (Katie Holmes aside). I love the way Gary Oldman looks like Jim Gordon in Batman: Year One and I thought Michael Caine as Alfred was a very inventive idea (although I still love Michael Gough's Alfred).

    The early part of the film is amazing. It gives the film real scope. I spent my gap year on a mountain top being trained by ninjas so the scenes have a very nostalgic quality for me. It was also fun to see them plug the gaps in the Batman origin and explain just how he gets all his toys and car etc (a weakness in the other four films).

    One thing I found slightly boring about the original Batman films was how they used to overcook the origin of the villains. I like the way that The Scarecrow, for example, wasn't given this treatment. He has a mask and some gas he experimented with at the Asylum. He's crackers. That's all we need to know, not some lengthy back story.

    The scene where Morgan Freeman showed Bruce Wayne the gadgets he'd been developing was very James Bond/Q and made me wish Christian Bale had just shot Casino Royale instead of Craig, although that isn't saying an awful lot because, with the possible exception of Dennis Franz and Kermit the Frog, there aren't many actors that I wouldn't prefer. :v
  • Agent_MAgent_M lost in the speed forcePosts: 353MI6 Agent
    the only thing I have a problem with is still not showing bats using his brain enough, it was alluded to in the first batman where he works out the combination of tainted products to make smilex. But I still think at could be shown more. Hopefully in the next they might have a bit more detective work to balance the physical stuff.
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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    The early part of the film is amazing. It gives the film real scope. I spent my gap year on a mountain top being trained by ninjas so the scenes have a very nostalgic quality for me.
    Please explain. :o
    The scene where Morgan Freeman showed Bruce Wayne the gadgets he'd been developing was very James Bond/Q and made me wish Christian Bale had just shot Casino Royale instead of Craig, although that isn't saying an awful lot because, with the possible exception of Dennis Franz and Kermit the Frog, there aren't many actors that I wouldn't prefer. :v
    I completely agree. :D
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,906Chief of Staff
    Ah, good ol' YouTube (wonder how much it will change now that it's been bought out by Google?)! I think that, in many ways, the best live-action incarnation of the Joker was in this OnStar commercial, in which the Joker is played by character actor Curtis Armstrong, who's most famous as "Booger" from the Revenge of the Nerds movies. I wouldn't mind it if Heath Ledger's Mr. J is more like this and less like Jack Nicholson.
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  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    I remember that commercial, HB. That version may be too bright for even Nolan still.

    Too brief to really discern who Armstrong was trying to emulate more.

    It would shock me if Nolan's Joker even wears the classic purple and green...in those hues al least.
    Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"

    Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
    -Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
  • NightshooterNightshooter In bed with SolitairePosts: 2,917MI6 Agent
    That was pretty funny, Hardy. Thanks for the link.

    I hope Nolan's Joker is dark. I really want a Joker like Tim Sale's.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    I watched the film for what it seems to be the 800th time this morning as I was preparing to go to work and I just don't get tired of it. I adore Tim Burton's version greatly but I don't recall it ever being as lasting as Begins is.

    Man, I hope that Nolan can top this achievement.
    Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"

    Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
    -Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    I have gotten roasted for considering a return to the yellow oval on the chest on certain sites as if it isn't plausible to use anymore being that it would comprimise his stealth advantage. I say that it's wrong; isn't Batman's belt still yellow? As if that wouldn't stand out upon his black garb. Wouldn't a criminal still see him with that strapped around him? ?:)



    Maybe I'm just too nostalgic about this issue.
    Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"

    Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
    -Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,307MI6 Agent
    RogueAgent wrote:
    I have gotten roasted for considering a return to the yellow oval on the chest on certain sites as if it isn't plausible to use anymore being that it would comprimise his stealth advantage. I say that it's wrong; isn't Batman's belt still yellow? As if that wouldn't stand out upon his black garb. Wouldn't a criminal still see him with that strapped around him? ?:)

    Maybe I'm just too nostalgic about this issue.

    No, you're not being too nostalgic. The fanboys are getting carried away (as they are wont to do). Batman is a fictional character; he has never existed and probably never will exist in the real world. If you start examining his costume and modus operandi, it can all fall apart very quickly. For example...

    If they're going to start complaining about the yellow oval not being practical, then why not ditch the cape as well. It looks cool but could easily get in the way in the middle of a heated fight. And come to think of it, the shape of the batarang probably compromises its aerodynamic viability; wouldn't a plain shuriken be better?. And why is the batsuit skintight? Wouldn't a looser outfit be more comforable and easier to move in and do combat in? See what I mean about how it can all quickly fall apart?

    If you really need it, one of the rationalizations for the yellow oval (especially in Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns) was that it provided a target so people wouldn't shoot Bats in the face. That's good enough for me.

    We're talking about a movie, not the real world. And in a movie, I for one think the black bat on a yellow oval makes for a more iconic and memorable symbol. While I enjoyed Batman Begins, I'll take Keaton's suit from Batman Returns or Kilmer's from the first 2/3 of Batman Forever (sans nipples) over Bale's any day.
  • MBE_MBE_ USAPosts: 266MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
    If they're going to start complaining about the yellow oval not being practical, then why not ditch the cape as well. It looks cool but could easily get in the way in the middle of a heated fight.

    After The Incredibles can any superhero really wear a cape any more and it be considered practical?

    "No capes!" :))

    MBE
  • Agent_MAgent_M lost in the speed forcePosts: 353MI6 Agent
    spoke to my mates over at pinewood they've started on the bike and have FIVE tumblers to play with to get it to fit in there. (but you didn't hear it from me as there's the whole non disclosure thing going on at the mo)
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  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,307MI6 Agent
    Glad to hear production is ramping up. Thanks for the info and keep the updates coming.

    I hope to see The Prestige this weekend. Since Nolan seems to like working with the same actors over and over, I wonder if Hugh Jackman will have a part in the next movie. Maybe Harvey Dent?
  • Mr MartiniMr Martini That nice house in the sky.Posts: 2,707MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
    Since Nolan seems to like working with the same actors over and over,


    Hmmmm. Very intersting. I wonder if any one from Memento will get a call for a part. Guy Pearce as Riddler? Joe Pantiliano (sp?) as Penquin? Who would Carrie Ann Moss play, Catwoman perhaps. I'm getting ahead of myself. I do hope Catwoman isn't featured in the planned triology (I think I heard somewhere it's supposed to be a trilogy). Time will tell.
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  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,906Chief of Staff
    I don't think it's necessarily true that Nolan keeps working with the same actors over and over. The Prestige does have two of the stars from his previous film, Christian Bale and Michael Caine; but it's the first time he's worked with Hugh Jackman and Scarlett Johansen (and David Bowie, for that matter). I haven't seen Guy Pierce, Al Pacino, or Robin Williams make a second appearance in a Nolan film--although Pierce IS rumored to be one of the contenders for Harvey Dent. Personally I'd rather see Liev Schrieber, another rumored favorite for the role, but at least Pierce has the requisite good looks for the role!
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