Klaus, we pretty much conflict with EVERYTHING except GoldenEye (which still isn't your favorite) but at least it's above Licence to Kill which I loathe and despise!
"That damn movie" happens to be one of my favorites and it's great! Terribly, terribly underrated. Look out for my 1000th (which isn't really my 1000th but I'll say it is) post which defends AVTAK in a very detailed form and even takes some time outs to bash Dalton and LTK!
Klaus, we pretty much conflict with EVERYTHING except GoldenEye (which still isn't your favorite) but at least it's above Licence to Kill which I loathe and despise!
"That damn movie" happens to be one of my favorites and it's great! Terribly, terribly underrated. Look out for my 1000th (which isn't really my 1000th but I'll say it is) post which defends AVTAK in a very detailed form and even takes some time outs to bash Dalton and LTK!
Still, that doesn't mean I don't like you!
I don't hate "A View To A Kill," per se. It's definitely not one of my favorites, and it's lower on my list. I still find it rather entertaining.
The main problem I have with it is, quite simply, Roger Moore. On top of the fact that I feel he is the worst of the Bonds (excluding Lazenby, who I generally just don't recognize), he is also 58 years old in this movie. I'm sorry, but I just don't buy grandpa Bond in the adult diaper stage of his life, especially in a movie with some hardcore action scenes. And I can't see a 30 year old Tanya Roberts falling for a 58 year old Roger Moore.
AVTAK would have been an excellent first movie for Dalton (or Brosnan, even), IMO, and his inclusion and minor tweaking of the story and script would have probably put it up near TLD on my list.
If I remember correctly the original song for TB was going to be MR. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. I hace it on a special Bond CD and I think it would have been a good PTS song.
Bond: You don't think I enjoyed what we did this evening, do you? What I did tonight was for King and country! You don't think it gave me any pleasure, do you?
Fiona: But of course, I forgot your ego, Mr. Bond. James Bond, who only has to make love to a woman and she starts to hear heavenly choirs singing.
Sorry guys for me it has to be CR06 If I didn't know DC was bond I would have never known who was bond.In black and white WHY? to confusing opening credits with DC (I cant bring myself to call the actor Bond) sitting on playing cards NAFF
Sorry guys for me it has to be CR06 If I didn't know DC was bond I would have never known who was bond.In black and white WHY? to confusing opening credits with DC (I cant bring myself to call the actor Bond) sitting on playing cards NAFF
Black and White is a classic device used to portray events in the past, thats why it was used.
My own least favourite PTS is LALD, simply due to the lack of Bond. It was Roger Moore's first Bond film, I personally feel a great PTS would have been a brilliant way to introduce a new Bond, ala Pierce Brosnan.
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Clearly for me it's LALD. It was a poor way to usher in a new Bond IMO.
Moonraker comes a close second; it starts out oh so awesome with a memorable action sequence and then Jaws makes like a bird with the stupid circus music going on to fit the mood... 8-)
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LoeffelholzThe United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
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To me, AVTAK is the worst; the bad Beach Boys cover is unforgivable, and the 'iceberg boat' (with the Union Jack on the inside of the hatch!) got one of the series' biggest groans from this particular Bond fan.
Jaws trying to fly in MR is pretty bad, but not at all out of character for the era, IMO. In fact, many of the Moore-era PTSs (post-TMWTGG) had a lot to like, but for me they were sunk in pursuit of the 'easy laugh.' TSWLM is a notable exception; the minor 'cringers' (ticker-tape digital watch, the line "So does England" and the Union Jack flag) don't at all spoil one of the classic PT sequences of the franchise.
I actually like the earlier-era PTSs where Bond doesn't appear (FRWL, LALD, TMWTGG), just because they're different.
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I actually like the earlier-era PTSs where Bond doesn't appear (FRWL, LALD, TMWTGG), just because they're different.
I echo those sentiments. I actually admire the LALD PTS. It's original and unique, and, along with some very effective pre-pacing, there's a deathly mystique.
I have mixed thoughts about the LALD PTS. On one hand, I love the various murders combined with the funeral, however on the other hand, I think it was a little underwhelming considering it was the introduction of a new Bond. As a matter of fact I have mixed feelings about most of Moore's PTSs.
LALD:As I mentioned, I do think it is a good PTS however I'm not sure how appropiate his non-appearance was considering it was Moore's first time in the tux. :007)
TMWTGG:A very good PTS, but one which was influenced by FRWL's PTS. When it comes down to it, I think that FRWL's PTS was vastly superior. Still, I enjoyed TMWTGG's PTS.
MR:I think it was a terrific PTS but it was spoiled by Jaws's flapping at the end of it.
FYEO:I think this was a pretty good PTS but could have been great if it had been less humerous. I love the concept (Bond visits grave of wife and gets attacked) but I think the execution was less than ideal.
OP:I don't really have any problems with it however I don't think it was memorable enough, especially in comparison to some of Moore's other PTSs.
AVTAK:Quite possibly the worst PTS of all time, but that's already been said. AVTAK proves IMO that sometimes two fines things (in this case Bond and The Beach Boys) don't always go together.
(The one Moore PTS which I have no problems with is TSWLM; IMO one of the five greatest PTSs of all-time, but not relevant to the topic at hand. )
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Well, FYEO has taken a bashing, yet it's not irredeemable by any stretch. See, some of you may know of Never Say McClory Again, the version of NSNA with John Barry score dubbed over the top (google it). And FYEO, in particular the pts, would benefit from this mightily. Then edit out the Bond with his smug up expressions.
The intro is great. No music, then when Blofeld is on the scene, the ominous Barry sound from The Specialist, when the Land Rover is going over the river, similar to the Cable Car music in MR.
Then, when Bond is at the controls with vengeance in mind, cut to the music from the bob sleigh in OHMSS, or the OHMSS-ish theme from AVTAK's pts (sans Beach Boys ). Or Propellorheads' version. Intercut with judicious flashbacks of Tracey dead in the car, subliminally.
I'd also have the sinking ship scene preceding the Blofeld despatch. And edit out Blofeld's silly protestations.
Moonraker had the worst IMO. Bond is falling through the sky at thousands of feet and not showing any sign of distress. It's ridiculous. And Jaws' stupidity irritates me even more. It is a truly overrated PTS and I don't understand why it's so loved. It's just down-right silly.
Moonraker had the worst IMO. Bond is falling through the sky at thousands of feet and not showing any sign of distress. It's ridiculous. And Jaws' stupidity irritates me even more. It is a truly overrated PTS and I don't understand why it's so loved. It's just down-right silly.
The stunt work is very impressive, regardless of the goofines of the scene.
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My least favorite opening scene is found in TWINE.
What about it do you dislike?
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Moonraker had the worst IMO. Bond is falling through the sky at thousands of feet and not showing any sign of distress. It's ridiculous. And Jaws' stupidity irritates me even more. It is a truly overrated PTS and I don't understand why it's so loved. It's just down-right silly.
The stunt work is very impressive, regardless of the goofines of the scene.
I agree. I think that, Jaws's arm flapping notwishstanding, it was a terrific PTS. (It was also among the first PTSs I ever saw and it had a huge impact on me. )
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
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For me FYEO wins the title of worst PTS by a long shot. Not funny, not intelligent, not exciting... just plain stupid.
The main problem with the TMWTGG PTS is that it's repeated practically shot for shot (pun not intended) at the climax of the movie. No doubt Guy Hamilton was aiming for foreshadowing, but it doesn't come off.
As has been said, Blofeld's exit in the PTS of FYEO is so silly as to be demeaning... it's the pointless absurdity of "I'll buy you a delicatessen... in stainless steel!" which makes it unforgiveable. The helicopter stunt work is good, though! I think I can see what the filmmakers were trying to do... to draw a line under everything Blofeld represented ('60s / '70s Bond and all its excesses) in order to clear the way for a back-to-basics '80s realism in the main body of the film... but it's still no excuse!
For me, though, the PTS of OTP is the worst. At the time, given the recent history of the Falklands War, the idea of Bond going on the offensive to make fools of the militia of a South American dictatorship smacked terribly of jingoism: Moore-Bond as a smug, flag-waving Thatcherite is hardly appealing. (In fact, with hindsight, attempts at topical political reference during the John Glen era have a habit of backfiring. A better example is in TLD, where Bond ends up having an alliance with the leader of the Afghan resistance... a romanticised version of exactly the sort of man who a decade or so later might have become Osama Bin Laden!)
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For me FYEO wins the title of worst PTS by a long shot. Not funny, not intelligent, not exciting... just plain stupid.
TMWTGG gets the silver
I must say, I like the PTS to FYEO.
I know lots of people don't like it as it's out of sync with the rest of the film. I agree with that.
However, I still love the PTS as it's really entertaining, and even if out of sync with the film (which I love btw), I still think it works.
The main problem with the TMWTGG PTS is that it's repeated practically shot for shot (pun not intended) at the climax of the movie. No doubt Guy Hamilton was aiming for foreshadowing, but it doesn't come off.
I actually like how it was done like this.
Not the strongest PTS by all means, but IMO not the worst either. IMO it gives the movie character.
I thought TWINE's opening was a bit too long. It is like 20 minutes.
I agree on the length, but there's no denying that I love this PTS!
I also love this PTS. However I do agree with those who say that it was too long. It probably should have ended after Bond escaped.
Yes, it should have ended after he escaped the bank. Maybe they could of had the bank scene go a bit longer.
Anyways, I think Goldfinger has a great opening sequence. It has everything; mystery, action, intrigue, and suspense. Another good opening is Thunderball. The fight is very hardcore. Also, the way Connery just brutally strangles Boitier is like when he shoots unarmed Dent in DN.
I agree on the length, but there's no denying that I love this PTS!
I also love this PTS. However I do agree with those who say that it was too long. It probably should have ended after Bond escaped.
Yes, it should have ended after he escaped the bank. Maybe they could of had the bank scene go a bit longer.
Anyways, I think Goldfinger has a great opening sequence. It has everything; mystery, action, intrigue, and suspense. Another good opening is Thunderball. The fight is very hardcore. Also, the way Connery just brutally strangles Boitier is like when he shoots unarmed Dent in DN.
They could have made TWINE longer for the bank scene, yeah, maybe with a rooftop chase with a panoramic view of Swiss mountains (hard in Bilbao I know...) and then straight into boat chase after the pts.
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"That damn movie" happens to be one of my favorites and it's great! Terribly, terribly underrated. Look out for my 1000th (which isn't really my 1000th but I'll say it is) post which defends AVTAK in a very detailed form and even takes some time outs to bash Dalton and LTK!
Still, that doesn't mean I don't like you!
I don't hate "A View To A Kill," per se. It's definitely not one of my favorites, and it's lower on my list. I still find it rather entertaining.
The main problem I have with it is, quite simply, Roger Moore. On top of the fact that I feel he is the worst of the Bonds (excluding Lazenby, who I generally just don't recognize), he is also 58 years old in this movie. I'm sorry, but I just don't buy grandpa Bond in the adult diaper stage of his life, especially in a movie with some hardcore action scenes. And I can't see a 30 year old Tanya Roberts falling for a 58 year old Roger Moore.
AVTAK would have been an excellent first movie for Dalton (or Brosnan, even), IMO, and his inclusion and minor tweaking of the story and script would have probably put it up near TLD on my list.
Fiona: But of course, I forgot your ego, Mr. Bond. James Bond, who only has to make love to a woman and she starts to hear heavenly choirs singing.
Black and White is a classic device used to portray events in the past, thats why it was used.
My own least favourite PTS is LALD, simply due to the lack of Bond. It was Roger Moore's first Bond film, I personally feel a great PTS would have been a brilliant way to introduce a new Bond, ala Pierce Brosnan.
Moonraker comes a close second; it starts out oh so awesome with a memorable action sequence and then Jaws makes like a bird with the stupid circus music going on to fit the mood... 8-)
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
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Jaws trying to fly in MR is pretty bad, but not at all out of character for the era, IMO. In fact, many of the Moore-era PTSs (post-TMWTGG) had a lot to like, but for me they were sunk in pursuit of the 'easy laugh.' TSWLM is a notable exception; the minor 'cringers' (ticker-tape digital watch, the line "So does England" and the Union Jack flag) don't at all spoil one of the classic PT sequences of the franchise.
I actually like the earlier-era PTSs where Bond doesn't appear (FRWL, LALD, TMWTGG), just because they're different.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
LALD:As I mentioned, I do think it is a good PTS however I'm not sure how appropiate his non-appearance was considering it was Moore's first time in the tux. :007)
TMWTGG:A very good PTS, but one which was influenced by FRWL's PTS. When it comes down to it, I think that FRWL's PTS was vastly superior. Still, I enjoyed TMWTGG's PTS.
MR:I think it was a terrific PTS but it was spoiled by Jaws's flapping at the end of it.
FYEO:I think this was a pretty good PTS but could have been great if it had been less humerous. I love the concept (Bond visits grave of wife and gets attacked) but I think the execution was less than ideal.
OP:I don't really have any problems with it however I don't think it was memorable enough, especially in comparison to some of Moore's other PTSs.
AVTAK:Quite possibly the worst PTS of all time, but that's already been said.
(The one Moore PTS which I have no problems with is TSWLM; IMO one of the five greatest PTSs of all-time, but not relevant to the topic at hand.
The intro is great. No music, then when Blofeld is on the scene, the ominous Barry sound from The Specialist, when the Land Rover is going over the river, similar to the Cable Car music in MR.
Then, when Bond is at the controls with vengeance in mind, cut to the music from the bob sleigh in OHMSS, or the OHMSS-ish theme from AVTAK's pts (sans Beach Boys
I'd also have the sinking ship scene preceding the Blofeld despatch. And edit out Blofeld's silly protestations.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
The stunt work is very impressive, regardless of the goofines of the scene.
No kidding...I mean, they actually did that.
My least favorite opening scene is found in TWINE.
TMWTGG gets the silver
For me, though, the PTS of OTP is the worst. At the time, given the recent history of the Falklands War, the idea of Bond going on the offensive to make fools of the militia of a South American dictatorship smacked terribly of jingoism: Moore-Bond as a smug, flag-waving Thatcherite is hardly appealing. (In fact, with hindsight, attempts at topical political reference during the John Glen era have a habit of backfiring. A better example is in TLD, where Bond ends up having an alliance with the leader of the Afghan resistance... a romanticised version of exactly the sort of man who a decade or so later might have become Osama Bin Laden!)
Shady Tree
I agree on the length, but there's no denying that I love this PTS!
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
I must say, I like the PTS to FYEO.
I know lots of people don't like it as it's out of sync with the rest of the film. I agree with that.
However, I still love the PTS as it's really entertaining, and even if out of sync with the film (which I love btw), I still think it works.
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
I actually like how it was done like this.
Not the strongest PTS by all means, but IMO not the worst either. IMO it gives the movie character.
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
Yes, it should have ended after he escaped the bank. Maybe they could of had the bank scene go a bit longer.
Anyways, I think Goldfinger has a great opening sequence. It has everything; mystery, action, intrigue, and suspense. Another good opening is Thunderball. The fight is very hardcore. Also, the way Connery just brutally strangles Boitier is like when he shoots unarmed Dent in DN.
They could have made TWINE longer for the bank scene, yeah, maybe with a rooftop chase with a panoramic view of Swiss mountains (hard in Bilbao I know...) and then straight into boat chase after the pts.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
LTK (Bond, not Miami Vice)
TWINE