Terminator
Barry Nelson
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Someone told me that James Cameron will be back to direct Terminator 4 and that Arnold will be back too. Anyone have anymore information. I love the Terminator movies, yes I enjoyed 3 also. I believe the only thing left to play out is the final battle. If Cameron is coming back, I can't wait to see the movie.
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Arnold was definitely the heart of the Terminator movies but the man is nearly 60 years old so I don't know if he can still be taken seriously as an over the top action hero (to say nothing of his duties as governor).
Still, with today's CGI technology, anything's possible. There's a few scenes in X-Men 3 that take place 20 years ago and Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen are made to look like they're in their 40's (both are actually in their mid 60's) and the effect is really well done. I'm sure the same thing could be done for closeups of Arnold.
I can not wait till Terminator 4!!! {[]
How come?
I think my problem was with some of the characters. Linda Hamilton in particular came across as a foul mouthed one beat character who spent the bulk of the film swearing and generally blaming everybody for the world's ills. I know she was trying to harden herself for the ordeal that was to come but I just think she layed it on too thick; I quickly lost all sympathy for her. Eddie Furlong was also a little too whiny for me as John Connor; I just couldn't see this kid as the future savior of humanity. In fact, all the characters came across as somewhat stiff and wooden; I just didn't care for what happened to any of them. The film was also a little too long for my tastes and dark to the point of being oppressive.
In contrast, I really came to care for John and Katherine in T3 (Nick Stahl really caught the conflict and doubts John must have been feeling IMHO) and I thought that film was much more well paced (it was pretty close in length to the first one). Even though it ended with with the destruction of 90% of the human race, I actually left the theater feeling I had a good time. Go figure.
Oh, and I'll take being terminated by Kristanna Loken over Robert Patrick any day.
I thought T3 was very good and as Tony said well paced and I did develop an affection for the characters. I prefer T2 slightly because I think the action scenes were a little better done, I especially like the motorcycle tractor trailer chase. I also think that T2 has some wonderful lines like, "come with me if you want to live". All this talk about the Terminator movies makes me think I might throw one in the old DVD machine tonight.
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My own opinion is on there. T4 should be made, I say!
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I think what John meant was that they survived the initial assault of the machines. Even though 90% of the human race was wiped out, the infrastructure for the resistance remained intact and would soon be taking up the fight.
At this point, I'd really like to see a Terminator movie set in the future that shows us the war and how humanity defeats the machines; I really don't see the point in another "Terminator goes back in time to save/destroy key figures of the resistance" as it's been done three times already.
If Arnold is going to have a diminished role then you need a pretty big slam-bang movie to make up for that. Maybe you could have it end with Reese going back in time to save Sarah Connor, so that it all comes around full circle to T1.
A terminator was sent back in time to kill John at three important stages; before he was born, as a kid and as an adult, so I can't imagine that Terminator 4 will repeat the whole time travel thing. No, I think that 4 will focus on the war and will set the stage for number 5.
Arnold might appear but I don't think he'll have anyting more than a cameo.
As Tony's pointed out,Arnold's now almost 60 years old.In fact,Arnold has all but announced that he's retired from acting.But even if he wants to continue acting-- and assuming Arnold is reelected Governor--he won't be available to do any of that until 2010.Unless he then decides to run for senator--an option that was seriously mentioned not long after he became Governor.If that should happen,he won't be able to find any time for acting,either.
If there is indeed another Terminator movie it'll have to star someone else other than Arnold.His calendar is pretty full--his responsibilities and priorities have changed considerably since his acting days.
I knew there was supposed to be a 4th Indiana Jones movie. But I didn't know there was supposed to be a 2nd Mrs. Doubthfire and 4th Jurrasic Park. I went to the sometimes trusted imdb and for Mrs. Doubtfire 2 they have it as a 2006 realease, but no cast. For Jurrasic Park they have it as a 2008 release and for Indy 4 they show it as a 2007 release.
Not necessarily - I don't know when the re-election takes place, but in theory Arnold could be in the film 1n 2008 or 2011, making him 61 or 64, is that right?
If we assume a T4 film takes place in the SkyNet future, during the war with the machines, Arnold could star or cameo as the real person upon whom the Terminator was modelled. It would give a fresh new twist to the film. He could also play his real age.
The machines can all be done with CGi and if people are keen to see Mr Rock, he could star as another Terminator model - there must have been a lot of varieties, otherwise the underground resistance fighters wouldn't have had much of a problem identifying them.
Always thought that was a plot hole in the second film: if memory serves, the Terminators were given human looks to disguise them. The Arnie model was sent back, then destroyed. In the second film we're supposed to accept that future-Connor has captured exactly the same variety of Terminator, reprogrammed it and sent it back.
The re-election took place in November of 2006. Arnold was re-elected as Governor of California. His term will end in 2008. The only way I see him being able to film anything is on his vacation time. Not sure of "The Governators" age though. 61 to 64 sounds about right. Hopefully for everyone though he can at least make a cameo.
As to a T4 movie; the war between man and machine would be my preferred plot device as well. But such a movie would probably be prohibitively expensive to make and unless an "A" list director were to get behind the project, I don't see the studios bankrolling it, especially if Arnold's participation was diminished.
My fear is that the studios may decide to "cheap out" the Terminator franchise as they've done with the Alien and Predator movies. Aliens vs. Predator was OK at best and now I hear they're making a sequel that also happens in the present day and the climax takes place in a Walmart, thus pretty much throwing out all continuity with the original movies. Better to let these franchises die a quiet death than wring them dry via low budget take the money and run hatchet jobs.
You're wrong- it's still on: http://imdb.com/title/tt0851851/
While I throughly enjoyed the sequel, I prefer Arnold as the bad terminator. It was too much of a father figure role and watered down for my tastes. The third I've never seen.
I'm really surprised you've never seen T3 Alex; did you avoid it or did it just work out that way? Like Barry Nelson, I enjoyed it quite a bit (more than T2 actually). Arnold was more of a drill sargeant than a father figure and there was definitely some ambivalence to his character in T3. I also thought Nick Stahl made a much better, more conflicted John Connor than Edward Furlong. You really should give it a chance, if only to give your new surround system a good workout.
My problem with T3 is that it was too derivative IMO. I think it's far less intelligent than the previous two films, Nick Stahl's John Connor is actually IMO lesser than Edward Furlong (who really was conflicted
I have to say though, Alex, even though you may not love T2, I am delighted that you consider the original to be a masterpiece. I too dislike using that term, but I very much consider The Terminator (as well as T2) to be a true masterpiece. {[]
P.S. I consider Arnie's performance to be superior in The Terminator than in T2, but T2, due to Arnie's performance and role , was the first film that ever caused me to cry.
But yeah, it just worked out that way, Tony, I'm sure I'll get around to seeing T3 eventually. If anything, for Kristina Loken. I'm glad to hear a few votes for it though. Never listen to the movie critics anyway.
T2 blew me away in the theatre, but my revisit hasn't been kind. I think the storyline is mediocre, and I'm not a fan of the "morph" trend it kicked in. But as a spectacle action movie it definitely delivers in spades. Who can resist Arnold in black leather, shades and a killer bike?
The original though can really pound the nostaglia. I remember my sister had this complex explanation to the chicken or the egg ending. We had it on vhs and watched it a lot. She had this thing for Michael Biehn. And the Stan Winston models are outstanding.
As I said before, it introduced an ambivalence to the character that was touched upon again when the T-X tries to reprogram him.
Oh, and Kristanna Loken's introduction as the T-X is also very ... ahem ... memorable in its own right.
Yes, Kristanna definitely has a memorable introduction ... :x
I always thought T2 was a little too long for its own good; the original was shorter, tigher and much more well paced IMHO. I also never cared for the evolution of Linda Hamilton's character; she was a strong but caring individual in the original but went too far to the other extreme in T2.
They did a good job on the Reece / John Connor mobius loop, even tying in the picture of Sarah at the end.
Here's a piece of arcane trivia for you: I used to write articles for an Apple computer magazine called Nibble back in the 1980's; the magazine would regularly print source code listings in BASIC and assembly langauge for programs that you could enter into your own computer. When Terminator premiered we all quickly realized that the producers were using code from the magazine in the scenes where we see things thru the Terminator's eyes as the computer code scrolls down. I never spotted any of my programs though.