That's really disappointing to me, but in view of the issues (old Ford), maybe it's not so bad for our own (reluctant) good.
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
Oh dear. Here we go again! This time it's Lucas who's not keen. Of course, not everyone can write a script like Phantom Menace....
I won't even attempt to defend the script to Phantom Menace, but considering the amount of success (commercial and critical) Lucas has had, I personally would trust him to know what he's doing.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Oh dear. Here we go again! This time it's Lucas who's not keen. Of course, not everyone can write a script like Phantom Menace....
I won't even attempt to defend the script to Phantom Menace, but considering the amount of success (commercial and critical) Lucas has had, I personally would trust him to know what he's doing.
Unless he's just dragging his feet until everyone is too old to do this movie anymore. He's been pretty vocal lately about not wanting to make expensive movies anymore since they are so risky and preferring to focus on television. Maybe this is his way of sandbagging the production until Ford (who is already 64) finally throws up his arms and says "I'm outta here" as I really don't see this going anywhere with anybody else in the lead role.
I love the Indiana Jones movies to death. I would love to see another one made. I fear, though, that Ford is too old to play him, and it might be time to reboot the franchise with a younger actor who can do some more.
My pick? How about Brad Pitt? He's got Ford's mid-western charisma and charm, he's proven he's plenty good in action scenes and can play cool (Ocean's 11/12, anyone?), and, of course, we all know how good-looking he is. If they were ever going to recast Indiana Jones, Brad Pitt is the guy to go to.
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I love the Indiana Jones movies to death. I would love to see another one made. I fear, though, that Ford is too old to play him
Only way i can see another Indy film being made is if the time setting was in the mid 1950's. That would put Harrison at the right age to play Indy. Only problem is, what can Indy search for in the 1950's to make the movie good?
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Well, Mr. Martini, the computer game "Indiana Jones and the Infernal Machine" was set rather well in the 1950s with Jones facing off against the Red Menace of a growing USSR. The quest itself? Dunno, I'm sure there are lots of avenues to explore...Perhaps it's time tha Indy actually find the fabled King Solomon's mines!
There are plenty of historical artifacts that are yet to be discovered. I don't think it matters what Indy searches for as long as the script is good and Ford is still able to play Indy convincingly.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Lucas really is a bit potty (don't forget this is the man who wanted Indy 2 to be in a haunted house and generally seems to have gotten in the way on the sets of the previous films); plus his distinct lack of skill so prevalent in the Star Wars prequels... the man's a liability. Speilberg may not be on the top of his game recently (War of the Worlds wanted to be viceral and real, but was so Hollywood it hurts, plus he never seems to able to end a film when it ends- plugging on for an extra act when it wasn't required) but he still at least knows one end of a camera from the other and how to tell an actor what to do. I don't think George has the faintest idea to be honest. Look at him talking about MacGuffins:
"I discovered a McGuffin," continues Lucas, still reluctant to name said McGuffin. "I told the guys about it and they were a little dubious about it, but it's the best one we've ever found...
-as if that makes a movie- while Steven is talking about setpieces, which are somewhat more important to ensuring you have an exciting movie.
Director George Lucas says the fourth instalment in the Indiana Jones film series will start next year.
Lucas said he and Steven Spielberg had recently finalised the script, and promised it was "the best one yet".
Actor Harrison Ford will return as the titular star of the film, which is due to hit cinemas in May 2008.
The original Indiana Jones trilogy was a tribute to Saturday morning B-movies, and made more than $1.1bn (£560m) at the box office in the 1980s.
It began in 1981 with Raiders of the Lost Ark, in which archaeologist Jones raced around the world to find the ark of the covenant before it fell into the hands of the Nazis.
Written by Lucas and directed by Spielberg it saw the two kings of blockbuster cinema working together for the first time, and was a global success.
The team reconvened for a sequel, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, in 1984 and again for Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade in 1989.
Rumours of a fourth chapter in the film saga have been circulating for several years, with each of the key participants agreeing they would only regroup if the script was good enough.
Lucas, 62, has now confirmed the script is ready - after more than 10 years in development - and told the Associated Press the film was "going to be fantastic".
He would not reveal any plot details, but said it would be "a character piece" including some "very interesting mysteries".
At the Rome Film Festival in October, Ford announced he was "fit to play" the Jones character again.
The 64-year-old actor promised he would "bring the same physical action" to a fourth movie as he did to the first three - in which he carried out many of his own stunts.
Ford added that Sean Connery may return as Indiana Jones' father, Dr Henry Jones Sr.
But former James Bond star Connery, who was also at the festival, said that no offer had been made.
IGN is also reporting that Indiana Jones 4 is suddenly on the fast track. According to the Hollywood Reporter Spielberg is putting it at the top of his to do list and filming could begin as early as June.
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That's good to hear...as these guys aren't getting any younger...
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According to the Scotsman, Sean Connery will read the script for Indy 4, and if he likes what he sees, will appear once more as Indy's father, Dr Henry Jones.
Koepp's comment about 'making some people angry' when writing the character is true. I just hope I'm not one of them. It's a difficult thing to tackle.
And may I make my #1 request now...To George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, and David Koepp: PLEASE do not let us hear, anywhere in the film, in any form, the phrase "I'm getting to old for this"
Now this is scary. . .When Spielberg and Lucas deal with children/young adults they tend to get just. . .icky. The little ones are so precocious that you'll start to think child abuse is a good idea (Short Round, Jake Lloyd's Anakin) and the older teens are whiny pains (the big brother in E.T., the big sister in Poltergeist, the cast of Goonies, Hayden Christensen's Anakin). If Shia Le Beouf is the Son of Indy I hope he isn't the mold of the usual Lucasberg spawn.
Not a good sign, IMO. Seems like a desperate tactic to somehow extend the franchise where Young Indiana Jones failed. Who do you suppose would be the mother? Marion? She didn't seem to be around in 'Last Crusade'...And I hope it's not a thing where the boy just 'shows up' and says "Hey, you don't know about me but I'm your son!" It wasn't right for Superman and I don't think it's right for Indy. Is Hollywood so keen on turning deadbeats into heroes?
Here's some better news: according to this article on RottenTomatoes, Cate Blanchett will be in Indy IV. And, if you scroll down and look at some of the articles, it seems that Shia LeBeouf isn't confirmed in the film. Let's hope that means no Indy Jr.!
Not a good sign, IMO. Seems like a desperate tactic to somehow extend the franchise where Young Indiana Jones failed. Who do you suppose would be the mother? Marion? She didn't seem to be around in 'Last Crusade'...And I hope it's not a thing where the boy just 'shows up' and says "Hey, you don't know about me but I'm your son!" It wasn't right for Superman and I don't think it's right for Indy. Is Hollywood so keen on turning deadbeats into heroes?
Maybe his mother is Alison Doody aka Dr. Elsa Schneider who happened to also star in the movie... Taffin.
Now this is scary. . .When Spielberg and Lucas deal with children/young adults they tend to get just. . .icky. The little ones are so precocious that you'll start to think child abuse is a good idea (Short Round, Jake Lloyd's Anakin) and the older teens are whiny pains (the big brother in E.T., the big sister in Poltergeist, the cast of Goonies, Hayden Christensen's Anakin). If Shia Le Beouf is the Son of Indy I hope he isn't the mold of the usual Lucasberg spawn.
I'd really rather Indy wasn't given a son either but this seems to be a trend among many of the moviemakers who are dealing with film series.The upcoming Live Free or Die Hard features John McClane's son,and of course,Rocky's son was front and center in Rocky Balboa,and we saw that Superman has a kid he wasn't even aware of.
Maybe in Indy IV,Indy will be a widower with a 30 year old son who'll accompany him as an assistant in the field--willingly,as opposed to initially hating the Old Man but coming around to his side over the course of the movie("You were NEVER around when Mom needed you!You weren't even with her when she died!I HATE you!!")Hopefully Indy's son will be a young adult--and not a teenager please,even if Indy's age onscreen is shaved down to 50-odd from Ford's actual 64--who can more plausibly handle some of the more extreme action sequences in the film.
But then again,maybe Indy Jr.,will be a Caspar Milquetoast,who, during the adventure,will find his inner Indy.("Son,I'm proud of you!" " "Thanks...DAD!).Gee, this sounds terrible.And possible.:o
And I agree with darenhat--it'd be VERY disappointing if Indy IV ends with Indy passing on his whip and jacket and hat to his equally adventurous son, thereby setting the stage for a new generation of Indiana Jones movies.It's all too easy to imagine:Indy Jr.,with Short Round as his trusted companion, searching the world for new adventures--continuing where Indy left off.Aackk!!! :O
If Indy has to have a child, I'd much rather it be a daughter...or is that too Tomb Raider-ish?
Hmm...why not raise the rating to "R" and give him twins--a girl and a boy?Make them a very good looking couple in their mid 20s who are inordinately fond of each other.Their own type of exploration takes them in a direction their father couldn't have begun to imagine..;)
They could also have ESP.And a brilliant chimpanzee.
I wonder what was wrong with Frank Darabont's earlier Indy IV screenplay--not enough children? :v
It's all too easy to imagine:Indy Jr.,with Short Round as his trusted companion, searching the world for new adventures--continuing where Indy left off.Aackk!!! :O
The thought of Indy Jr is bad enough, but Short Round? Please don't go there. The Temple Of Doom is a real turkey of a film, apart from the opening. Short Round and Willie Scott must surely be two of the most annoying characters in the history of film. Stacey Sutton is an absolute angel by comparison.
It's all too easy to imagine:Indy Jr.,with Short Round as his trusted companion, searching the world for new adventures--continuing where Indy left off.Aackk!!! :O
The thought of Indy Jr is bad enough, but Short Round? Please don't go there. The Temple Of Doom is a real turkey of a film, apart from the opening. Short Round and Willie Scott must surely be two of the most annoying characters in the history of film. Stacey Sutton is an absolute angel by comparison.
Yes indeed-and so is that "nookler" scientist Lara Croft,er--I mean Christmas Jones.
Temple of Doom is just terrible, aside from the beginning.I think that on it's surface, TOD is nothing more than a very bad attempt at adapting the brilliant Gunga Din into a movie for children.Which begs the question--WHY all those long lingering shots of tortured children serving as slaves?
It seems that most of the time a filmmaker introduces kids into the kind of movie not usually noted for them, the excuse is,"We're doing this for our families".What about the general audiences???
I really have no desire to see 64 year old Indy wandering around with a complaining teenager or 20 year old son who'll undergo a complete change of attitude after seeing the Old Man in action.If he hates Indy at the start of the film,then he should also hate Indy at the end of it as well.Be consistent as opposed to predictable.
Then again,maybe Indy will have adopted a dancing penguin he'll call his son...
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That's really disappointing to me, but in view of the issues (old Ford), maybe it's not so bad for our own (reluctant) good.
Unless he's just dragging his feet until everyone is too old to do this movie anymore. He's been pretty vocal lately about not wanting to make expensive movies anymore since they are so risky and preferring to focus on television. Maybe this is his way of sandbagging the production until Ford (who is already 64) finally throws up his arms and says "I'm outta here" as I really don't see this going anywhere with anybody else in the lead role.
My pick? How about Brad Pitt? He's got Ford's mid-western charisma and charm, he's proven he's plenty good in action scenes and can play cool (Ocean's 11/12, anyone?), and, of course, we all know how good-looking he is. If they were ever going to recast Indiana Jones, Brad Pitt is the guy to go to.
Only way i can see another Indy film being made is if the time setting was in the mid 1950's. That would put Harrison at the right age to play Indy. Only problem is, what can Indy search for in the 1950's to make the movie good?
Lucas really is a bit potty (don't forget this is the man who wanted Indy 2 to be in a haunted house and generally seems to have gotten in the way on the sets of the previous films); plus his distinct lack of skill so prevalent in the Star Wars prequels... the man's a liability. Speilberg may not be on the top of his game recently (War of the Worlds wanted to be viceral and real, but was so Hollywood it hurts, plus he never seems to able to end a film when it ends- plugging on for an extra act when it wasn't required) but he still at least knows one end of a camera from the other and how to tell an actor what to do. I don't think George has the faintest idea to be honest. Look at him talking about MacGuffins: -as if that makes a movie- while Steven is talking about setpieces, which are somewhat more important to ensuring you have an exciting movie.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6219025.stm
Indiana Jones 'to return in 2008'
Director George Lucas says the fourth instalment in the Indiana Jones film series will start next year.
Lucas said he and Steven Spielberg had recently finalised the script, and promised it was "the best one yet".
Actor Harrison Ford will return as the titular star of the film, which is due to hit cinemas in May 2008.
The original Indiana Jones trilogy was a tribute to Saturday morning B-movies, and made more than $1.1bn (£560m) at the box office in the 1980s.
It began in 1981 with Raiders of the Lost Ark, in which archaeologist Jones raced around the world to find the ark of the covenant before it fell into the hands of the Nazis.
Written by Lucas and directed by Spielberg it saw the two kings of blockbuster cinema working together for the first time, and was a global success.
The team reconvened for a sequel, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, in 1984 and again for Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade in 1989.
Rumours of a fourth chapter in the film saga have been circulating for several years, with each of the key participants agreeing they would only regroup if the script was good enough.
Lucas, 62, has now confirmed the script is ready - after more than 10 years in development - and told the Associated Press the film was "going to be fantastic".
He would not reveal any plot details, but said it would be "a character piece" including some "very interesting mysteries".
At the Rome Film Festival in October, Ford announced he was "fit to play" the Jones character again.
The 64-year-old actor promised he would "bring the same physical action" to a fourth movie as he did to the first three - in which he carried out many of his own stunts.
Ford added that Sean Connery may return as Indiana Jones' father, Dr Henry Jones Sr.
But former James Bond star Connery, who was also at the festival, said that no offer had been made.
http://movies.ign.com/articles/752/752814p1.html
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I wonder if there will be any suggestive endorsements in this installment, like say...BEN-GAY?
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I hope not! But it wouldn't surprise me if Lucas's concept of a 'character' story means making their age part of the story.
I have some confidence in David Koepp. He's no Lawrence Kasdan, but I think he's capable of putting together an intelligent, action-packed script.
For the full article
Indiana Jones: the crusade to get Connery
http://news.scotsman.com/entertainment.cfm?id=106882007
"There are only 14 years between them - Ford is 64 and Connery 76."
Anyway, here's hoping for Connery's return. I'd hate to think that his last film would be--yeccch!--The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
It would be nice if he could do just one grown up film before he retires, though.
Release date set for Indiana film
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6339983.stm
Cool. I hope this will be as good as Raiders was.
And may I make my #1 request now...To George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, and David Koepp: PLEASE do not let us hear, anywhere in the film, in any form, the phrase "I'm getting to old for this"
http://www.filmstew.com/showArticle.aspx?ContentID=15617
Now this is scary. . .When Spielberg and Lucas deal with children/young adults they tend to get just. . .icky. The little ones are so precocious that you'll start to think child abuse is a good idea (Short Round, Jake Lloyd's Anakin) and the older teens are whiny pains (the big brother in E.T., the big sister in Poltergeist, the cast of Goonies, Hayden Christensen's Anakin). If Shia Le Beouf is the Son of Indy I hope he isn't the mold of the usual Lucasberg spawn.
Maybe his mother is Alison Doody aka Dr. Elsa Schneider who happened to also star in the movie... Taffin.
I'd really rather Indy wasn't given a son either but this seems to be a trend among many of the moviemakers who are dealing with film series.The upcoming Live Free or Die Hard features John McClane's son,and of course,Rocky's son was front and center in Rocky Balboa,and we saw that Superman has a kid he wasn't even aware of.
Maybe in Indy IV,Indy will be a widower with a 30 year old son who'll accompany him as an assistant in the field--willingly,as opposed to initially hating the Old Man but coming around to his side over the course of the movie("You were NEVER around when Mom needed you!You weren't even with her when she died!I HATE you!!")Hopefully Indy's son will be a young adult--and not a teenager please,even if Indy's age onscreen is shaved down to 50-odd from Ford's actual 64--who can more plausibly handle some of the more extreme action sequences in the film.
But then again,maybe Indy Jr.,will be a Caspar Milquetoast,who, during the adventure,will find his inner Indy.("Son,I'm proud of you!" " "Thanks...DAD!).Gee, this sounds terrible.And possible.:o
And I agree with darenhat--it'd be VERY disappointing if Indy IV ends with Indy passing on his whip and jacket and hat to his equally adventurous son, thereby setting the stage for a new generation of Indiana Jones movies.It's all too easy to imagine:Indy Jr.,with Short Round as his trusted companion, searching the world for new adventures--continuing where Indy left off.Aackk!!! :O
Hmm...why not raise the rating to "R" and give him twins--a girl and a boy?Make them a very good looking couple in their mid 20s who are inordinately fond of each other.Their own type of exploration takes them in a direction their father couldn't have begun to imagine..;)
They could also have ESP.And a brilliant chimpanzee.
I wonder what was wrong with Frank Darabont's earlier Indy IV screenplay--not enough children? :v
The thought of Indy Jr is bad enough, but Short Round? Please don't go there. The Temple Of Doom is a real turkey of a film, apart from the opening. Short Round and Willie Scott must surely be two of the most annoying characters in the history of film. Stacey Sutton is an absolute angel by comparison.
Yes indeed-and so is that "nookler" scientist Lara Croft,er--I mean Christmas Jones.
Temple of Doom is just terrible, aside from the beginning.I think that on it's surface, TOD is nothing more than a very bad attempt at adapting the brilliant Gunga Din into a movie for children.Which begs the question--WHY all those long lingering shots of tortured children serving as slaves?
It seems that most of the time a filmmaker introduces kids into the kind of movie not usually noted for them, the excuse is,"We're doing this for our families".What about the general audiences???
I really have no desire to see 64 year old Indy wandering around with a complaining teenager or 20 year old son who'll undergo a complete change of attitude after seeing the Old Man in action.If he hates Indy at the start of the film,then he should also hate Indy at the end of it as well.Be consistent as opposed to predictable.
Then again,maybe Indy will have adopted a dancing penguin he'll call his son...