P99 or PPK, whats ur choice?
walther p99
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ever since TND's i think the P99 suited Bond better as it was more practical then the under powered PPK even though it is sleek and small but now Bond is facing more advanced weapons and needs more firepower and rounds, in GE Bond was way outgunned when up against 006's guards in Cuba as he only had 8 rounds to put out, and as opposed to the stleath boat in TND's when the P99 Bond had lasted mostly the whole fight b4 he dropped it when it wasnt even out yet...ur thoughts?
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P99 for romping thru the jungle
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Precisely!
Now, i haven´t read Gardner books, but i´ve heard about a ASP 9mm, reccomended by the same expert who talk fleming about the PPK.
Are you sure? I don't remember the ASP being recommended by Boothroyd.
And I stand to be corrected on this, but I was under the impression that the ASP was a later adaption of the Browning.
If you click on the link in my signature, you can read more info on the Asp and why Boothroyd recommended it.
Thanks ASP, very interesting, I didn't recall Boothroyd being involved with Gardner, I was thinking back to Fleming.
As for my choice, I would have to choose the PPK. I have used both, for this exact reason, and I therefore will lay out my pro's and con's for each, and compare mine to Bond's choices.
P99: It is a more powerful gun, even though the same caliber and the power is not that much more noticable. (Bear in mind this is coming from a guy who carries a Colt US issue 1911A1, or a Colt 10mm Delta Elite, both huge firearms compared to Bond's choices). The P99 is larger, and more difficult to draw from the concealed position(let us assume that the weapon is in the typical Connery shoulder holster under a jacket).
Second, to play devil's advocate with the clothier, no man with bespoke suits would tell the tailor to add more roominess into the jacket, because he carries a firearm, not even Bond, because the tailor would probably not believe him as guns are illegal in England, the tailor might have a difficult time believing he is fitting up an MI6 agent.) Just to play devil's advocate, no long threads on legality of firearms, please!
Third, the P99 handle would allow for easier comfort when recoil is factored in, but would also help the gripping of the weapon.
The PPK is a favourite of mine, as the gun is smaller, fits my jackets better without having a bulge, like the P99. And for those adrenaline junkies who shoot guns enough to sa "Well, the PPK only carries seven bullets and one in the chamber" all I have to say is EBAY! They sell ten round magazines for the PPK and FireStorm (a PPK lookalike), and they also fit into a concealed mag pouch.
The PPK also has a decocker, which Bond might enjoy, I can't remember if the P99 has one, too. Also, the PPK can be concealed in the armpit area of the jacket, or at the ankle, just like the traditional snug .38's cops used to carry. Try that with a P99. One more thing, we see Connery Bond in several films either withdrawing the weapon from it's holster, or simply holding it in his hand, and putting it into his trouser pocket (FRWL train scene, DNin blue pant I believe, and TB somewhere in their). Get the picture, almost the same amount of power, simpler clean-up after combat. The only true disadvantage that I cannot stand is that the PPK does not have a large enough ejection port, where the shell flies out, so it will sometimes jam.
The other thing that people are forgetting is that James Bond is supposed to be James Bond. Hwat i mean by that ridiculous comment would be reading FRWL, the book tells us that Bond is supposed to be a 1st Class military expert in small arms, and is supposed to be very good with a handgun, and very good with a knife, as well as boxing and wrestling.He is a well seasoned, weather beaten man who is an exceptionally fine shot with his preferred firearm (even though someone always takes his gun away in the movies, he'd have to learn a new gun every time.
There you have it. Straight from the horse's mouth.
Actually the PPK used by 007 is a 7.65mm, not a 9mm, although why Geoffrey Boothroyd never went for the 9mm I don't know, perhaps less magazine capacity? I can't remember which film, but I think that Brosnan's holster is one that holds the P99 horizontally as opposed to the conventional Connery type which holds his PPK vertically.
Yes the P99 does have a de-cocker too, mounted on top of the slide. Connery puts his PPK into the back pocket of his trousers, whilst on the beach at Crab Quay, but I can't remember where he puts it in TB.
On a side note, I remember reading that Walther decided not to take any legal action against the Bond producers when 007 dropped his PPK at Palmyra and it discharged, something which I believe they claim could not have happened (due to all the safety systems built into the PPK) in those circumstances.
I too prefer the PPK, although the P99 (coming 2nd) does have its uses.
One reason aside from the power, capacity, tenacity, and ubiquitous guns being debated, the PPK and other PPK-like firearms have a smaller ejection port (hole) in the weapon, and I only mention this becasue (HONESTLY, I SWEAR TO GOD!!!!) Last night I was shooting in my usual Tuesday competitions, and I was shooting in the concealed category, where the rules are all guns must be not longer than so many inches, the PPK being the largest conealed gun allowed. Well, out of twenty five shots with five targets and ten bowling pins at 25 yards, I went to shoot, and the forth shot jammed on me. The bullet would not come out of the ejection port, and I had to drop the magazine and then take the bullet out, and reload the magazine, pull the slide back, and then fire again. Eight or nine shots later it jammed again, and I repeated the process.
The point was, on both of those occasions, I had 'limpwristed' the gun, not holding it strongly enough for the recoil to have it's toll, and the bullet ejection method took about eight seconds, making me lose to second place. With a P99, this would never have happened because the ejection port is larger than the PPK's, and it will allow a loaded bullet to pass through, whereas the PPK will not.
Jes' a thought....
It was a mistake dueto that I've carried both a .380 and a 9 short for several years, and carried both at the same time. A quick story, I actually had to use my sidearms and when reloading in a hostile zone, behind a fortified cover, I grabbed the wrong magaizne and tried to put into the wrong firearm and was nicked by a bullet from an enemy. So, even with that, and several years later, I still confuse the two, as it is a common misconception, being that both of my carry guns were a .32 and a 9 short, trying to reload whilst jamming the wrong clip into the wrong firearm, you can figure the rest out.
AND, the safety switch in your PPK which does lower the hammer without striking the firing pin, this causes the firearm to 'de-****' thus henceforth referred to as the decocker, although it would not be technically minded so by looking in comparison to the Bersa or Firestorm PPK knockoffs, but with the safety switch still serving to return the hammer back to its neutral stage, it would be referred more laymanlikely as a decocker.
I want ot know right now, whom on this thread has had any form of military training. I'll be the first to say that I have sreved, have any of the rest of you.
I was hit in the upper chest by a .38 twelve years ago, looks like a third nipple now
Seems that watches and firearms are heated subjects recently. The knowledge of serving or ex service personnel is also not a guarantee of firm and distinct knowledge of a given firearm, I know plenty of civvies both on this board and personally that have superior knowledge of pistols and their capability and function. And thats against alot of firearm instructors I know too. Being shot however, does sharpen your awareness in future possible engagements, as I'm sure you can confirm
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