I am a little mystified by the eager anticipation of this scene. I find it rather off putting. Like the nails being pulled out in Syriana, it just put me off seeing the movie. And that's what we seem to be getting in CR, not some wonderful money shot of some amazing stunt that pushes the boat out... but something really quite nasty.
Like the nails being pulled out in Syriana, it just put me off seeing the movie.
You had to bring up the torture scene in Syriana. X-(
I have to say that I'm pretty curious to see this scene. I don't like the idea of Bond being tortured, but I have seen far worse.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
I am a little mystified by the eager anticipation of this scene. I find it rather off putting. Like the nails being pulled out in Syriana, it just put me off seeing the movie. And that's what we seem to be getting in CR, not some wonderful money shot of some amazing stunt that pushes the boat out... but something really quite nasty.
Still, one man's meat....
I quite like to feel uncomfortable whilst watching a film - I find it so much more effective, and I'm far more likely to leave the cinema and remember it. I hope CR has its comfortable 'Bond moments', but I also hope there will be a few shocking elements - them It'll stand out when I think about the Bond series as a whole.
My wife has been trying hard to share my enthusiasm of Casino Royale. And I've been telling her that this one is going to have many more intense moments than the usual Bond outing. It's the beginning, so it shows why Bond becomes the way he is.
She's very skittish around excessive violence. She shut her eyes during Spider-Man when Green Goblin was whopping the snot out of Spidey. Everyone in the theater heard her displeasure during the climactic scene between Frodo and Gollum in The Return of the King.
As excited as I am about the movie as a whole, this is one thing that always makes me worry. I feel about it the same way I do about the shark pit scene in LTK.
I am a little mystified by the eager anticipation of this scene. I find it rather off putting.
That's understandable, I think...the 'dentist's chair' scene in Marathon Man comes to mind, as well, where the great Sir Lawrence Olivier, as an aging Nazi war criminal, has Dustin Hoffman tied into a dentist's chair, and does a fair amount of unsolicited dental work without the benefit of anaesthetic..."Is it safe?"
It's all about taking the audience someplace where they're desperately uncomfortable, if only for a brief time---a place where the hero of the piece is forced to undergo something very unpleasant. Fleming clearly wanted the reader to identify with his protagonist, and so made him a victim of the most sadistic sequence of the literary canon---in the first volume---(I think) as a means of forming a connection between the hero and the audience, and I think he succeeded admirably.
I confess to being one of those eagerly anticipating this scene...it's a dark moment for Bond, but when he lives through it, one might say that it affords him an understandably "cavalier attititude toward life," which is clearly evident in his other adventures---and is condemned, by Dame Judi's M in GE, in a rather on-the-nose manner.
Plus, it's pure Fleming. The real question is, can it live up to the literary standard? Probably not (they rarely do), but I'm simply thrilled that they're making the attempt.
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My wife has been trying hard to share my enthusiasm of Casino Royale. And I've been telling her that this one is going to have many more intense moments than the usual Bond outing. It's the beginning, so it shows why Bond becomes the way he is.
She's very skittish around excessive violence. She shut her eyes during Spider-Man when Green Goblin was whopping the snot out of Spidey. Everyone in the theater heard her displeasure during the climactic scene between Frodo and Gollum in The Return of the King
As excited as I am about the movie as a whole, this is one thing that always makes me worry. I feel about it the same way I do about the shark pit scene in LTK.
That's one of the reasons I'll be going by myself. Very few people I know, who would be interested in seeing a Bond film anyway, would want to watch a torture scene.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
I've seen a lot worse here in the states - especially the last time a guy called a girl the "C" word.
It wasn't very pretty.
haha, sorry i shouldn't laugh. You should come to England... that would scare ya then ).... anyone live in Essex or near London? you hear the "C" word about 20 times a day then!!! second nature to us
you can pm me if you dont want to post it or something
Let's just say that I for one would rather undergo the Syrianna or Marathon Man treatments than the CR one. Here's a hint: William, Harry and the rest of the Winsdor____ have the crown ______ kept in the Tower of London. )
"...the purposeful slant of his striding figure looked dangerous, as if he was making quickly for something bad that was happening further down the street." -SMERSH on 007 dossier photo, Ch. 6 FRWL.....
I am a little mystified by the eager anticipation of this scene. I find it rather off putting. Like the nails being pulled out in Syriana, it just put me off seeing the movie. And that's what we seem to be getting in CR, not some wonderful money shot of some amazing stunt that pushes the boat out... but something really quite nasty.
Still, one man's meat....
For me, it's not the violence but the dramatic expertise that will be necessary to pull the scene off -- it will walk a fine line between being sado-masochistic and being campy in order to work. It can be done. "Marathon Man," as cited in this thread does it; so does, in my estimation, the torture scene in "The Ipcress File." Fleming does it on the page, again not so much with the violence, but with Bond's resolve to see it through. The end of that scene in the book is both surprising and satisfying, and I'll be interested to see how much the screenplay retains the actual content of what Fleming wrote. Also, we may see a Bond film actually pushing the envelope again, rather than simply going through the motions with more expensive toys and fanstastic gadgets. If it gets done, it will be an accomplishment shared by the writer, director, and actor -- which is much more old school than the more common triumverate today of special effects, prop man, and art director.
...The end of that scene in the book is both surprising and satisfying, and I'll be interested to see how much the screenplay retains the actual content of what Fleming wrote. Also, we may see a Bond film actually pushing the envelope again, rather than simply going through the motions with more expensive toys and fanstastic gadgets. If it gets done, it will be an accomplishment shared by the writer, director, and actor -- which is much more old school than the more common triumverate today of special effects, prop man, and art director.
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I have to say that I'm pretty curious to see this scene. I don't like the idea of Bond being tortured, but I have seen far worse.
I quite like to feel uncomfortable whilst watching a film - I find it so much more effective, and I'm far more likely to leave the cinema and remember it. I hope CR has its comfortable 'Bond moments', but I also hope there will be a few shocking elements - them It'll stand out when I think about the Bond series as a whole.
She's very skittish around excessive violence. She shut her eyes during Spider-Man when Green Goblin was whopping the snot out of Spidey. Everyone in the theater heard her displeasure during the climactic scene between Frodo and Gollum in The Return of the King.
As excited as I am about the movie as a whole, this is one thing that always makes me worry. I feel about it the same way I do about the shark pit scene in LTK.
That's understandable, I think...the 'dentist's chair' scene in Marathon Man comes to mind, as well, where the great Sir Lawrence Olivier, as an aging Nazi war criminal, has Dustin Hoffman tied into a dentist's chair, and does a fair amount of unsolicited dental work without the benefit of anaesthetic..."Is it safe?"
It's all about taking the audience someplace where they're desperately uncomfortable, if only for a brief time---a place where the hero of the piece is forced to undergo something very unpleasant. Fleming clearly wanted the reader to identify with his protagonist, and so made him a victim of the most sadistic sequence of the literary canon---in the first volume---(I think) as a means of forming a connection between the hero and the audience, and I think he succeeded admirably.
I confess to being one of those eagerly anticipating this scene...it's a dark moment for Bond, but when he lives through it, one might say that it affords him an understandably "cavalier attititude toward life," which is clearly evident in his other adventures---and is condemned, by Dame Judi's M in GE, in a rather on-the-nose manner.
Plus, it's pure Fleming. The real question is, can it live up to the literary standard? Probably not (they rarely do), but I'm simply thrilled that they're making the attempt.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
It wasn't very pretty.
haha, sorry i shouldn't laugh. You should come to England... that would scare ya then
you can pm me if you dont want to post it or something
Let's just say that I for one would rather undergo the Syrianna or Marathon Man treatments than the CR one. Here's a hint: William, Harry and the rest of the Winsdor____ have the crown ______ kept in the Tower of London.
Well said. {[]
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM