What do you guys think of James Cameron? I know it's nearly impossible but the man was going to do a Spidey project once. Imagine him injecting the testosterone back into Superman? I'd love to see it.
Ratner would do a better job as W.G. said although he may be labeled as Singer's scrap-taker.
Just to throw my two cents, I think Cameron would be an even worse choice than Singer. Look at his movies; he has a penchant for making long, overblown, and often very dark films. And he also has a habit of having to interject "relationships" into many of his stories to "legitimize" them for mainstream audiences.
I think you need a solid action director like Rattner (X3 was very entertaining) or Michael Bay (check out The Island, a very well made and smart action film - even though it is a ripoff of The Clonus Horror) or Jonathan Mostow (whether you liked the story or not, T3 was probably the best paced and tightest of all 3 Terminator movies). Any of these three can deliver a slam bang action film without having to justify his worth as a "legitimate" director by inserting improbable relationship subplots. And it goes without saying that you have to star with a good script. Personally, I think Brett Rattner directing a Superman story written by Paul Dini would be a can't miss proposition. And at this point, the best thing to do would probably be going the route of Hulk and rebooting again, pretending the last film never happened.
Then again,there's Wolfgang Petersen.He was up to direct Superman vs.Batman.It was about to begin casting when Superman Returns was given the green light instead.Petersen's said that he was really looking forward to making Superman vs.Batman.Perhaps he'd consider the next Superman film.
I don't think Superman needs a big name director as much as a talented one.Superman's the star of his movies.And yes,a Paul Dini screenplay would be great.
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I could get excited for a sequel if Ratner or Petersen were on board. Just write in the script that the kid gets off'ed...Darkseid or Parasite, I don't care.
I have a strong feeling that a power struggle is going on between Singer & WB execs. At first he was so gung ho to do the follow up and then this...
Who knows what was discussed behind closed doors.
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Surely Warners can afford to dump Singer.If he signed for a 3 picture deal they probably put all kinds of loopholes in the contract so he could be dropped.
I don't like the kid but if he lost all of the superpowers-no,what am I saying--Lois should've simply waited for Superman.And he should've had protection in Superman II.
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I don't like the kid but if he lost all of the superpowers-no,what am I saying--Lois should've simply waited for Superman.And he should've had protection in Superman II.
I can deal with him sleeping with Lois, W.G. It was the swinging 70s.:))
It's the repercussions from that what bothers me...oh, wait, Singer completely tried to make us think that 3 didn't happen.
And if he had at least read Action/Superman or even the JLA comics, he would know that it would be physically impossible for Lois to conceive from a Kryptonian...
Mrs. Man Face: "You wouldn't hit a lady? Would you?"
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice isUNISEX!"
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Then again,there's Wolfgang Petersen.He was up to direct Superman vs.Batman.It was about to begin casting when Superman Returns was given the green light instead.Petersen's said that he was really looking forward to making Superman vs.Batman.Perhaps he'd consider the next Superman film.
I like Wolfgang Peterson's work but I'd read the draft of his Batman/Superman crossover and wasn't too sure what to think about it. The storyline went something like this: Batman finds his soulmate, falls in love, retires, only to see his new wife killed by the Joker on the day of their wedding. Wayne takes the batsuit out of mothballs and trails the Joker to Metropolis where he runs afoul of Superman and Lex Luthor. By the end, Bats and Supes resolve their differences, work together to take down the bad guys, and discover that Wayne's wife was actually the Joker's protege, hand picked by him to destroy Batman by breaking Bruce Wayne (he had somehow figured out his secret identity). It had some interesting ideas but was ultimately a pretty pedestrian story and once again, Superman never had a worthy adversary to go toe to to with.
I remember the last episodes of the animated Superman show revolving around a Darkseid story: Superman is captured and brainwashed by Darkseid and returned to Earth to conquer the planet in old stoneface's name. Supergirl intercedes and helps Superman regain his memory before he can be killed by a kryptonite bomb, though she is critically wounded. Supes tracks Darkseid to Apocolips where he has a colossal battle and gives the villain a vicious and horrible beating, going so far as to rip his face open with his x-ray vision. He is actually about to kill Darkseid when Supergirl reappears and convinces him that he's better than that. The show ends with Superman back on Earth but he has lost the world's trust - except for Lois, of course. Now that has the makings of an interesting story. Substitute Batman for Supergirl and simplify Darkseid's involvement and you have a killer crossover with lots of action and drama. The animated show managed to fit it all into two 30 minute episodes (the writers were really good at making tight stories), so it would be definitely doable as a two hour live action movie.
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Oh, I love the Supes scenario.
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Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice isUNISEX!"
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I don't like the kid but if he lost all of the superpowers-no,what am I saying--Lois should've simply waited for Superman.And he should've had protection in Superman II.
I can deal with him sleeping with Lois, W.G. It was the swinging 70s.:))
It's the repercussions from that what bothers me...oh, wait, Singer completely tried to make us think that 3 didn't happen.
And if he had at least read Action/Superman or even the JLA comics, he would know that it would be physically impossible for Lois to conceive from a Kryptonian...
Yes,Kal-El's seed would've killed her.But in many of the 1950s and 1960s Superman comics,in particular Lois Lane,there were stories in which Supes and Lois were married and nothing physical ever posed a problem to their "getting it on","getting jiggy with it","rockin' the house",etc.
Frankly,I always thought there shouldn't be a reason they couldn't just **** from time to time(and no,I didn't type out the word that rhymes with duck-that was self censorship).:) After all,Superman isn't real,and imposing the actual physical laws of science on him is pointless--regardless of what Larry Niven might say.
Then again,there's Wolfgang Petersen.He was up to direct Superman vs.Batman.It was about to begin casting when Superman Returns was given the green light instead.Petersen's said that he was really looking forward to making Superman vs.Batman.Perhaps he'd consider the next Superman film.
I like Wolfgang Peterson's work but I'd read the draft of his Batman/Superman crossover and wasn't too sure what to think about it. The storyline went something like this: Batman finds his soulmate, falls in love, retires, only to see his new wife killed by the Joker on the day of their wedding. Wayne takes the batsuit out of mothballs and trails the Joker to Metropolis where he runs afoul of Superman and Lex Luthor. By the end, Bats and Supes resolve their differences, work together to take down the bad guys, and discover that Wayne's wife was actually the Joker's protege, hand picked by him to destroy Batman by breaking Bruce Wayne (he had somehow figured out his secret identity). It had some interesting ideas but was ultimately a pretty pedestrian story and once again, Superman never had a worthy adversary to go toe to to with.
I remember the last episodes of the animated Superman show revolving around a Darkseid story: Superman is captured and brainwashed by Darkseid and returned to Earth to conquer the planet in old stoneface's name. Supergirl intercedes and helps Superman regain his memory before he can be killed by a kryptonite bomb, though she is critically wounded. Supes tracks Darkseid to Apocolips where he has a colossal battle and gives the villain a vicious and horrible beating, going so far as to rip his face open with his x-ray vision. He is actually about to kill Darkseid when Supergirl reappears and convinces him that he's better than that. The show ends with Superman back on Earth but he has lost the world's trust - except for Lois, of course. Now that has the makings of an interesting story. Substitute Batman for Supergirl and simplify Darkseid's involvement and you have a killer crossover with lots of action and drama. The animated show managed to fit it all into two 30 minute episodes (the writers were really good at making tight stories), so it would be definitely doable as a two hour live action movie.
If only the movie people would just take a moment to check out the animated material,there'd be SO many better comic book-based movies than the ones were currently getting.It's still storytelling,after all.
Maybe a computer animated Superman film by Brad Bird(in the Incredibles style) written by Paul Dini would be successful.That's what I'd prefer to see done with The Spirit--then we'd actually see Eisner on the screen.
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Well, I think that Lois should take a rest next time round. Bosworth is disgracing the actresses, that played Lois Lane, in horrible fashion.
Bring back Lana Lang I say...or just put this particular story in another environment totally.
I WANT WARWORLD! B-)
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If only the movie people would just take a moment to check out the animated material,there'd be SO many better comic book-based movies than the ones were currently getting.It's still storytelling,after all.
Agree completely; there's a goldmine of stories there that 95% of the general public has probably never seen or heard of - and chances are WB owns all of them already.
We've gone down this road before but it bears repeating: I think the major obstacle is the ego of some of these producers and directors, who cannot bring themselves to admit that there are already plenty of stories out there just as good as or better than anything they could ever hope to come up with.
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If only the movie people would just take a moment to check out the animated material,there'd be SO many better comic book-based movies than the ones were currently getting.It's still storytelling,after all.
Agree completely; there's a goldmine of stories there that 95% of the general public has probably never seen or heard of - and chances are WB owns all of them already.
We've gone down this road before but it bears repeating: I think the major obstacle is the ego of some of these producers and directors, who cannot bring themselves to admit that there are already plenty of stories out there just as good as or better than anything they could ever hope to come up with.
Here's the problem, with the exceptions of Jon Favreau and Tim Burton & Story, most directors who take on superhero films, think reseaching from such an escapist form of literature is beneath them.
Only Nolan seemed to get it right so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he did some form of homework. Singer has admitted to hating comic books and never cared to read them.
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Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice isUNISEX!"
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If only the movie people would just take a moment to check out the animated material,there'd be SO many better comic book-based movies than the ones were currently getting.It's still storytelling,after all.
Agree completely; there's a goldmine of stories there that 95% of the general public has probably never seen or heard of - and chances are WB owns all of them already.
We've gone down this road before but it bears repeating: I think the major obstacle is the ego of some of these producers and directors, who cannot bring themselves to admit that there are already plenty of stories out there just as good as or better than anything they could ever hope to come up with.
Yes,it all comes down to EGO.Cartoons(at least in America)are only for children and they're always poorly done.The directors and producers haven't seen them but they know that to be the case.And each comic book character needs to be altered for live action because what usually works in the comics(costumes,characterizations)can't possibly succeed in live action.I wish a few directors actually CARED about the comics movies they make--that's why I mentioned Raimi.I think Spidey I and especially Spidey II are among the very best comics films(haven't seen Spidey III).No one went out of their way to make the characters unrecognizable or change their basic stories.I'm looking forward to Raimi's Shadow movie(he also has rights to The Spider and possibly Doc Savage).Some of these he'll produce but he's said he'll direct The Shadow.And it'll be reboot.
IMO for the most part the DC movies don't get this kind of care.
The guy who directed Hellboy might be able to do a good job with Supes-provided he had a quality screenplay.
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Marvel/DC is back! Ranks up there with the top ones!
Best lines: "Look into my eyes--do you validate?" "Venom just puked over the balcony! I think it's moving!" Man, what does this guy do in his real job?
Vox clamantis in deserto
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Yeah, H.B. This guy definetely needs to have his own ten minute short on Comedy Central. B-)
I just got this off of WorstPreviews.com. Not quite sure if it's accurate but time will tell.
Fox Greenlights "Fantastic Four 3" 07-01-2007 (11:00:32) An insider told Moviehole that 20th Century Fox has already greenlit the third installment in the "Fantastic Four" franchise. Apparently, the new film will once again be dependent on who they can "team the Fantastic Four up with," similar to how the Fantastic Four have been teamed up with the Silver Surfer in the recent "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer."
"That worked, so don't expect to see a solo effort," said the insider.
The first two films are being called the worst superhero movies ever, even with "Catwoman" and "Daredevil" being out there. However, it is hard to argue with the numbers. "Fantastic Four" brought in $330 million on a $100 million budget back in 2005 and "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer" earned $167 million (so far) on a $130 million budget.
According to an earlier report, director Tim Story is a big fan of the Silver Surfer character, which was the inspiration behind the second film. The other character Story is excited about is the Black Panther, who we might see in the third installment.
Maybe the critics are disappointed because they expected to see Dark Fantastic Four.They all hate each other and they've been forced to become a team.The Thing is an alcoholic psychopath who thinks he's an orange monster,Mr.Fantastic is a fraud(those powers are all faked),Invisible Girl hates men and Johnny hates everybody(except for his sister,with whom he has an unnatural affection).They're each suicidal and they all wear black leather jumpsuits- except for Sue--who always looks like a hooker.
That's probably the kind of fresh take Tim Burton would've given them.
Only the public likes these movies-and what could they possibly know?
I actually liked Daredevil--in the sense that I respect what the director/screenwriter was trying to do.Putting the whole Miller storyline on the screen had to have been a real nightmare to pull off.And I like Elektra.I also enjoyed Ghost Rider--in large part due to Sam Elliott and the use of the classic "Ghost Riders in the Sky" song.Too bad the film wasn't about his GR, but I think Cage was pretty good everything being equal
It's the repercussions from that what bothers me...oh, wait, Singer completely tried to make us think that 3 didn't happen.
You know, say what you want about Singer, but the fact that he would attempt to erase from existence the horror that was Superman 3 is not such a bad thing IMO.
And if he had at least read Action/Superman or even the JLA comics, he would know that it would be physically impossible for Lois to conceive from a Kryptonian...
Rogue, I completely agree with you that Supes being a father is a terrible idea, but please don't talk about whether it's possible or not. My god, Supes is an alien who is essentially invincible, gets around wearing a cape and tights and only needs to put on glasses for people not to recognise him. )
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Maybe the critics are disappointed because they expected to see Dark Fantastic Four.They all hate each other and they've been forced to become a team.The Thing is an alcoholic psychopath who thinks he's an orange monster,Mr.Fantastic is a fraud(those powers are all faked),Invisible Girl hates men and Johnny hates everybody(except for his sister,with whom he has an unnatural affection).They're each suicidal and they all wear black leather jumpsuits- except for Sue--who always looks like a hooker.
That's probably the kind of fresh take Tim Burton would've given them.
Only the public likes these movies-and what could they possibly know?
) ) ) You know WG, that sounds like something Marvel's current editorial team would actually try. But you're absolutely right; how dare the public enjoy themselves with this movie. And how dare Tim Story actually make a movie about relatively well-adjusted people who take care of each other and don't have any hangups worthy of psychoanalysis. One of the reasons I liked FF#2 (and FF#1 to a lesser degree) is that nobody took themselves too seriously. A good lighthearted fun movie isn't a bad thing.
I actually liked Daredevil--in the sense that I respect what the director/screenwriter was trying to do.Putting the whole Miller storyline on the screen had to have been a real nightmare to pull off.And I like Elektra.I also enjoyed Ghost Rider--in large part due to Sam Elliott and the use of the classic "Ghost Riders in the Sky" song.Too bad the film wasn't about his GR, but I think Cage was pretty good everything being equal
I always thought DD was a good movie for what it was and I give props to Mark Steven Johnson for following his source material as closely as he did, right down to basing many camera setups on the layouts of the 4 color panels. Still haven't seen GR though - I like Sam Elliot's work but Nicholas Cage is one of those actors who just rubs me the wrong way for some reason.
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You know, say what you want about Singer, but the fact that he would attempt to erase from existence the horror that was Superman 3 is not such a bad thing IMO.
If you're talking about part 4, then maybe I can see it but one shouldn't ever forget Evil Superman. )
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Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice isUNISEX!"
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If you're talking about part 4, then maybe I can see it but one shouldn't ever forget Evil Superman. )
) I actually like Superman 4, although I'm probably the only person in the world who does; but I can not watch the third one again, I just find it too painful. Plus, it didn't have Gene Hackman, whose *Lex Luthor I have long been a big fan of.
*Kevin Spacey's Lex Luthor is a huge reason why I was less than thrilled with Superman Returns.
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Yeah, Dan, I liked 4 too as gagging as it is in places but Evil Drunk Superman always managed to give me a good laugh. ) ) )
Maybe the critics are disappointed because they expected to see Dark Fantastic Four.They all hate each other and they've been forced to become a team.The Thing is an alcoholic psychopath who thinks he's an orange monster,Mr.Fantastic is a fraud(those powers are all faked),Invisible Girl hates men and Johnny hates everybody(except for his sister,with whom he has an unnatural affection).They're each suicidal and they all wear black leather jumpsuits- except for Sue--who always looks like a hooker.
That's probably the kind of fresh take Tim Burton would've given them.
Only the public likes these movies-and what could they possibly know?
) ) ) You know WG, that sounds like something Marvel's current editorial team would actually try. But you're absolutely right; how dare the public enjoy themselves with this movie. And how dare Tim Story actually make a movie about relatively well-adjusted people who take care of each other and don't have any hangups worthy of psychoanalysis. One of the reasons I liked FF#2 (and FF#1 to a lesser degree) is that nobody took themselves too seriously. A good lighthearted fun movie isn't a bad thing.
I actually liked Daredevil--in the sense that I respect what the director/screenwriter was trying to do.Putting the whole Miller storyline on the screen had to have been a real nightmare to pull off.And I like Elektra.I also enjoyed Ghost Rider--in large part due to Sam Elliott and the use of the classic "Ghost Riders in the Sky" song.Too bad the film wasn't about his GR, but I think Cage was pretty good everything being equal
I always thought DD was a good movie for what it was and I give props to Mark Steven Johnson for following his source material as closely as he did, right down to basing many camera setups on the layouts of the 4 color panels. Still haven't seen GR though - I like Sam Elliot's work but Nicholas Cage is one of those actors who just rubs me the wrong way for some reason.
Not a big fan of Cage,either.With all of his stylized tics, he usually comes across like a drug addict trying to go cold turkey.Speaking of rubbing,sometimes it looks like he itches terribly, and that's why he's always hopping around and striking weird poses.And then there's his mannered speaking voice...
By contrast,Elliott blows everybody else off the screen with his natural charisma and unforced delivery.If he'd been around in Hollywood's Golden Age, I think Sam would have given John Wayne some solid competition.
That said,I liked Nic Cage in Honeymoon in Vegas(an Elvis impersonator should have plenty of irritating quirks),Then there was that movie he made with Cher(title escapes me), and he's not too bad in this film, where he's playing an abnormal individual.
The 2nd disc of the 2 disc DVD set is perhaps the most interesting feature because it goes into great detail on the history of the GR comic book,from its inception up to 2007, and has most of the Marvel editors, artists and writers discussing it.Roy Thomas comes across as a nice guy with plenty of enthusiasm for the book.
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I'm glad that you guys enjoyed DAREDEVIL but I found the costume design for DD unforgivable. X-(
All he needed was to be tied to a bed while getting whipped by an eighty year old mistress clad in leather and 12 inch heels...:s
What was wrong with just making the regular red getup? I wouldn't have minded the crimson & yellow(which I think looks much cooler). Michael Clarke Duncan did a suitable job as Fisk although for years I've always envisioned the late Erlan van Lidth as the imposing Kingpin ever since I saw Stir Crazy in theatres; it's almost as if he WALKED out of a Spider-Man comic book...
Mark Steven Johnson just makes boring to mediocre comic book films.
My son and I both left Ghost Rider a tad numb with large part of our angst credited to Cage and the sucky story. GH, himself, looked great; it was just everything else about the project that looked terminal...
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I'm glad that you guys enjoyed DAREDEVIL but I found the costume design for DD unforgivable. X-(
All he needed was to be tied to a bed while getting whipped by an eighty year old mistress clad in leather and 12 inch heels...:s
What was wrong with just making the regular red getup? I wouldn't have minded the crimson & yellow(which I think looks much cooler). Michael Clarke Duncan did a suitable job as Fisk although for years I've always envisioned the late Erlan van Lidth as the imposing Kingpin ever since I saw Stir Crazy in theatres; it's almost as if he WALKED out of a Spider-Man comic book...
Mark Steven Johnson just makes boring to mediocre comic book films.
I'm sorry you didn't like the movie,rogue.I don't love it either but then I'm not a big fan of most of the Marvel characters.I liked Kid Colt...
Anyway,I thought Daredevil had a good costume.In all honesty,I didn't expect him to caper about in a red leotard.And in the aftermath of the Burton Batman every comic book hero-save Superman-seems to be wearing black leather.Maybe there was a dark red bodysuit somewhere but the filmmakers went with black.Not a big deal for me.
And although I'd have prefered the late Edward Arnold as Winston Fisk(they look exactly alike),I think Michael Duncan did a pretty fair job.The actor who played Nero Wolfe on A&E might've been good,too.There are probably a hundred guys out there who look like Kingpin.
I remember collecting DD when Miller came on board(in fact,that was the only reason I ever subscribed to DD)although I found it unusual and interesting,it was sometimes incredibly melodramatic,selfconscious and occasionally corny.That said,I liked it.IMO Miller was doing his Will Eisner impression,and it made DD worth picking up.
Ben Affleck wasn't my first choice to play Matt(I'd have cast the equally tall but lesser known Brad Johnson),but in all fairness,I think he was good--considerably better than the severely miscast Michael Keaton was as Batman.With Affleck, I believed that his character could and would beat the living s--t out of an adversary,unlike the petite Keaton.I also liked the fact that the movie DD really suffered for his cause-even going so far as to take pain killers.
It's not a pretty movie but I'm not sure DD's life is all that glamorous.Didn't care much for Colin Farrell as Deadshot, but I did like Jennifer Garner's Elektra(my own choice for this part would've been Charlotte Lewis in the original skimpy red outfit,but I don't get to cast these things),and I thought John Favreau was a fine Foggy.Considering that every one of these types of films is always compromised in some fashion,it was better that I'd expected.IMO it's about 85% true to the comics,which ain't bad.
I also liked Elektra, the movie.Yes,I know-I'm in a minority on this.I think it was a pretty fair adaptation of the storyline Miller wrote for the Elektra miniseries, with a few touches that I thought made Elektra a little more human than the print version--most notably her case of OCD.The villains were particularly well cast, and a few of them came very close to matching their print inspirations.
I can't imagine it would be easy for any scriptwriter,even Johnson who certainly seems to be a Marvel Zombie,to put everything on the screen precisely as it was written and drawn.As I said,I respect his efforts because getting these things made is probably very difficult even at the best of times.At least he actually knows his subject,which all too sadly is more than most of the comic book movie screenwriters and directors do--like your good buddy Singer.:)) )
As for Ghost Rider,it's a ridiculous idea to begin with, and I'd have much rather seen the original western hero than Johnny Blaze.But I did like that moment where the 2 GHs ride together to the old town and the appropriate "Ghost Riders in the Sky" is played in the background rather than some instantly forgettable song by someone who'll be famous for about five seconds.But that's just me.
Oh,by the way,the comic book Superman is now a father-at least in his Clark Kent persona.He and Lois adopted a boy who appears to be a survivor from the planet Krypton.Richard Donner wrote the 3 part story(illustrated by one of the Kuberts)published in Action Comics introducing "Christopher",Clark and Lois' little boy.
Yes,Yes,I know....no need to thank me,you're very welcome.:)
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It's not a pretty movie but I'm not sure DD's life is all that glamorous.Didn't care much for Colin Farrell as Deadshot,
Deadshot? Isn't that the zombie-looking guy? ?:) I think you mean Bullseye and I didn't care much for him either.
Oh,by the way,the comic book Superman is now a father-at least in his Clark Kent persona.He and Lois adopted a boy who appears to be a survivor from the planet Krypton.Richard Donner wrote the 3 part story(illustrated by one of the Kuberts)published in Action Comics introducing "Christopher",Clark and Lois' little boy.
Yes,Yes,I know....no need to thank me,you're very welcome.:)
) W.G., buddy...yeah, that book has been out for over 6-7 months now? I am still waiting on the conclusion which DC has been goofing off to put out since February.
Remember when I was urging you guys to pick this (Action Comics)up earlier this year?
You know about the Phantom Zone thing in it right? I was told that Part III would come with a supply of 3-D glasses; is this true?
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It's not a pretty movie but I'm not sure DD's life is all that glamorous.Didn't care much for Colin Farrell as Deadshot,
Deadshot? Isn't that the zombie-looking guy? ?:) I think you mean Bullseye and I didn't care much for him either.
Oh,by the way,the comic book Superman is now a father-at least in his Clark Kent persona.He and Lois adopted a boy who appears to be a survivor from the planet Krypton.Richard Donner wrote the 3 part story(illustrated by one of the Kuberts)published in Action Comics introducing "Christopher",Clark and Lois' little boy.
Yes,Yes,I know....no need to thank me,you're very welcome.:)
) W.G., buddy...yeah, that book has been out for over 6-7 months now? I am still waiting on the conclusion which DC has been goofing off to put out since February.
Remember when I was urging you guys to pick this (Action Comics)up earlier this year?
You know about the Phantom Zone thing in it right? I was told that Part III would come with a supply of 3-D glasses; is this true?
I dunno about the 3-D glasses.But yes,there seems to be only one part of the story available right now(although the kid's occasionally mentioned in the other Superman titles).Like you,I'm no more thrilled that Singer's decision to give Superman a son in a movie, has indirectly found it's way into the actual comics continuity--even as an obviously heartfelt tribute to the great Christopher Reeve,who,IMO, was a superman in the truest sense of the word..
Of course,being me,I'm so grumpy that I'm also unhappy to see that the influence of the Smallville TV show dictates that the comic book Luthor lived in that town and knew Clark Kent long before he and Superman became enemies.The original 1950s one-shot story was enough for me.Remember the ending?Superboy saves Luthor from a fire but there's some kind of chemical imbalance and it causes Luthor to go bald.So as a result he hates Superboy.Some genius.IMO If Luthor is so brilliant, he could find a way to regrow his hair(maybe even do something important like cure diseases).At any rate,with that bald dome,Luthor's in the height of style today.
However,you're absolutely right about DD's movie villain.See what an impression he made?I hereby hang my head in shame.It was Bullseye,all right.Got him confused with Deadshot to a recent run of stories Gail Simone's produced for "Birds of Prey" where she's managed to give that generally forgetable character a personality.
But hey--I really like the animated Alex Ross Batman image you've got going on.Very,very cool...:)
Anyway,I thought Daredevil had a good costume.In all honesty,I didn't expect him to caper about in a red leotard.And in the aftermath of the Burton Batman every comic book hero-save Superman-seems to be wearing black leather.Maybe there was a dark red bodysuit somewhere but the filmmakers went with black.Not a big deal for me.
WG, I think you may need your eyes examined. While Affleck's DareDevil wears leather, it is indeed dark red:
Anyway,I thought Daredevil had a good costume.In all honesty,I didn't expect him to caper about in a red leotard.And in the aftermath of the Burton Batman every comic book hero-save Superman-seems to be wearing black leather.Maybe there was a dark red bodysuit somewhere but the filmmakers went with black.Not a big deal for me.
WG, I think you may need your eyes examined. While Affleck's DareDevil wears leather, it is indeed dark red:
Moonstruck.
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Thanks Hardy.Maybe I'm colorblind or maybe those films left less of an impression on me than I thought they had.Take your pick.At least the Affleck DD looks more like the character than the version Rex Smith played on that The Incredible Hulk TV movie.Of course,anything would have.
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Ohhhh, no, no, no, my friend. Let the Spider-Man people keep him.
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Just to throw my two cents, I think Cameron would be an even worse choice than Singer. Look at his movies; he has a penchant for making long, overblown, and often very dark films. And he also has a habit of having to interject "relationships" into many of his stories to "legitimize" them for mainstream audiences.
I think you need a solid action director like Rattner (X3 was very entertaining) or Michael Bay (check out The Island, a very well made and smart action film - even though it is a ripoff of The Clonus Horror) or Jonathan Mostow (whether you liked the story or not, T3 was probably the best paced and tightest of all 3 Terminator movies). Any of these three can deliver a slam bang action film without having to justify his worth as a "legitimate" director by inserting improbable relationship subplots. And it goes without saying that you have to star with a good script. Personally, I think Brett Rattner directing a Superman story written by Paul Dini would be a can't miss proposition. And at this point, the best thing to do would probably be going the route of Hulk and rebooting again, pretending the last film never happened.
I don't think Superman needs a big name director as much as a talented one.Superman's the star of his movies.And yes,a Paul Dini screenplay would be great.
I have a strong feeling that a power struggle is going on between Singer & WB execs. At first he was so gung ho to do the follow up and then this...
Who knows what was discussed behind closed doors.
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I don't like the kid but if he lost all of the superpowers-no,what am I saying--Lois should've simply waited for Superman.And he should've had protection in Superman II.
I can deal with him sleeping with Lois, W.G. It was the swinging 70s.:))
It's the repercussions from that what bothers me...oh, wait, Singer completely tried to make us think that 3 didn't happen.
And if he had at least read Action/Superman or even the JLA comics, he would know that it would be physically impossible for Lois to conceive from a Kryptonian...
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I like Wolfgang Peterson's work but I'd read the draft of his Batman/Superman crossover and wasn't too sure what to think about it. The storyline went something like this: Batman finds his soulmate, falls in love, retires, only to see his new wife killed by the Joker on the day of their wedding. Wayne takes the batsuit out of mothballs and trails the Joker to Metropolis where he runs afoul of Superman and Lex Luthor. By the end, Bats and Supes resolve their differences, work together to take down the bad guys, and discover that Wayne's wife was actually the Joker's protege, hand picked by him to destroy Batman by breaking Bruce Wayne (he had somehow figured out his secret identity). It had some interesting ideas but was ultimately a pretty pedestrian story and once again, Superman never had a worthy adversary to go toe to to with.
I remember the last episodes of the animated Superman show revolving around a Darkseid story: Superman is captured and brainwashed by Darkseid and returned to Earth to conquer the planet in old stoneface's name. Supergirl intercedes and helps Superman regain his memory before he can be killed by a kryptonite bomb, though she is critically wounded. Supes tracks Darkseid to Apocolips where he has a colossal battle and gives the villain a vicious and horrible beating, going so far as to rip his face open with his x-ray vision. He is actually about to kill Darkseid when Supergirl reappears and convinces him that he's better than that. The show ends with Superman back on Earth but he has lost the world's trust - except for Lois, of course. Now that has the makings of an interesting story. Substitute Batman for Supergirl and simplify Darkseid's involvement and you have a killer crossover with lots of action and drama. The animated show managed to fit it all into two 30 minute episodes (the writers were really good at making tight stories), so it would be definitely doable as a two hour live action movie.
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Yes,Kal-El's seed would've killed her.But in many of the 1950s and 1960s Superman comics,in particular Lois Lane,there were stories in which Supes and Lois were married and nothing physical ever posed a problem to their "getting it on","getting jiggy with it","rockin' the house",etc.
Frankly,I always thought there shouldn't be a reason they couldn't just **** from time to time(and no,I didn't type out the word that rhymes with duck-that was self censorship).:) After all,Superman isn't real,and imposing the actual physical laws of science on him is pointless--regardless of what Larry Niven might say.
If only the movie people would just take a moment to check out the animated material,there'd be SO many better comic book-based movies than the ones were currently getting.It's still storytelling,after all.
Maybe a computer animated Superman film by Brad Bird(in the Incredibles style) written by Paul Dini would be successful.That's what I'd prefer to see done with The Spirit--then we'd actually see Eisner on the screen.
Bring back Lana Lang I say...or just put this particular story in another environment totally.
I WANT WARWORLD! B-)
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Agree completely; there's a goldmine of stories there that 95% of the general public has probably never seen or heard of - and chances are WB owns all of them already.
We've gone down this road before but it bears repeating: I think the major obstacle is the ego of some of these producers and directors, who cannot bring themselves to admit that there are already plenty of stories out there just as good as or better than anything they could ever hope to come up with.
Here's the problem, with the exceptions of Jon Favreau and Tim Burton & Story, most directors who take on superhero films, think reseaching from such an escapist form of literature is beneath them.
Only Nolan seemed to get it right so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he did some form of homework. Singer has admitted to hating comic books and never cared to read them.
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Yes,it all comes down to EGO.Cartoons(at least in America)are only for children and they're always poorly done.The directors and producers haven't seen them but they know that to be the case.And each comic book character needs to be altered for live action because what usually works in the comics(costumes,characterizations)can't possibly succeed in live action.I wish a few directors actually CARED about the comics movies they make--that's why I mentioned Raimi.I think Spidey I and especially Spidey II are among the very best comics films(haven't seen Spidey III).No one went out of their way to make the characters unrecognizable or change their basic stories.I'm looking forward to Raimi's Shadow movie(he also has rights to The Spider and possibly Doc Savage).Some of these he'll produce but he's said he'll direct The Shadow.And it'll be reboot.
IMO for the most part the DC movies don't get this kind of care.
The guy who directed Hellboy might be able to do a good job with Supes-provided he had a quality screenplay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3v0ZaZn23I
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Best lines: "Look into my eyes--do you validate?" "Venom just puked over the balcony! I think it's moving!" Man, what does this guy do in his real job?
I just got this off of WorstPreviews.com. Not quite sure if it's accurate but time will tell.
Fox Greenlights "Fantastic Four 3" 07-01-2007 (11:00:32)
An insider told Moviehole that 20th Century Fox has already greenlit the third installment in the "Fantastic Four" franchise. Apparently, the new film will once again be dependent on who they can "team the Fantastic Four up with," similar to how the Fantastic Four have been teamed up with the Silver Surfer in the recent "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer."
"That worked, so don't expect to see a solo effort," said the insider.
The first two films are being called the worst superhero movies ever, even with "Catwoman" and "Daredevil" being out there. However, it is hard to argue with the numbers. "Fantastic Four" brought in $330 million on a $100 million budget back in 2005 and "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer" earned $167 million (so far) on a $130 million budget.
According to an earlier report, director Tim Story is a big fan of the Silver Surfer character, which was the inspiration behind the second film. The other character Story is excited about is the Black Panther, who we might see in the third installment.
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=4674
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That's probably the kind of fresh take Tim Burton would've given them.
Only the public likes these movies-and what could they possibly know?
I actually liked Daredevil--in the sense that I respect what the director/screenwriter was trying to do.Putting the whole Miller storyline on the screen had to have been a real nightmare to pull off.And I like Elektra.I also enjoyed Ghost Rider--in large part due to Sam Elliott and the use of the classic "Ghost Riders in the Sky" song.Too bad the film wasn't about his GR, but I think Cage was pretty good everything being equal
Rogue, I completely agree with you that Supes being a father is a terrible idea, but please don't talk about whether it's possible or not. My god, Supes is an alien who is essentially invincible, gets around wearing a cape and tights and only needs to put on glasses for people not to recognise him.
I always thought DD was a good movie for what it was and I give props to Mark Steven Johnson for following his source material as closely as he did, right down to basing many camera setups on the layouts of the 4 color panels. Still haven't seen GR though - I like Sam Elliot's work but Nicholas Cage is one of those actors who just rubs me the wrong way for some reason.
If you're talking about part 4, then maybe I can see it but one shouldn't ever forget Evil Superman.
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*Kevin Spacey's Lex Luthor is a huge reason why I was less than thrilled with Superman Returns.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XY3dxb5OpIw&mode=related&search=
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Not a big fan of Cage,either.With all of his stylized tics, he usually comes across like a drug addict trying to go cold turkey.Speaking of rubbing,sometimes it looks like he itches terribly, and that's why he's always hopping around and striking weird poses.And then there's his mannered speaking voice...
By contrast,Elliott blows everybody else off the screen with his natural charisma and unforced delivery.If he'd been around in Hollywood's Golden Age, I think Sam would have given John Wayne some solid competition.
That said,I liked Nic Cage in Honeymoon in Vegas(an Elvis impersonator should have plenty of irritating quirks),Then there was that movie he made with Cher(title escapes me), and he's not too bad in this film, where he's playing an abnormal individual.
The 2nd disc of the 2 disc DVD set is perhaps the most interesting feature because it goes into great detail on the history of the GR comic book,from its inception up to 2007, and has most of the Marvel editors, artists and writers discussing it.Roy Thomas comes across as a nice guy with plenty of enthusiasm for the book.
All he needed was to be tied to a bed while getting whipped by an eighty year old mistress clad in leather and 12 inch heels...:s
What was wrong with just making the regular red getup? I wouldn't have minded the crimson & yellow(which I think looks much cooler). Michael Clarke Duncan did a suitable job as Fisk although for years I've always envisioned the late Erlan van Lidth as the imposing Kingpin ever since I saw Stir Crazy in theatres; it's almost as if he WALKED out of a Spider-Man comic book...
Mark Steven Johnson just makes boring to mediocre comic book films.
My son and I both left Ghost Rider a tad numb with large part of our angst credited to Cage and the sucky story. GH, himself, looked great; it was just everything else about the project that looked terminal...
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I'm sorry you didn't like the movie,rogue.I don't love it either but then I'm not a big fan of most of the Marvel characters.I liked Kid Colt...
Anyway,I thought Daredevil had a good costume.In all honesty,I didn't expect him to caper about in a red leotard.And in the aftermath of the Burton Batman every comic book hero-save Superman-seems to be wearing black leather.Maybe there was a dark red bodysuit somewhere but the filmmakers went with black.Not a big deal for me.
And although I'd have prefered the late Edward Arnold as Winston Fisk(they look exactly alike),I think Michael Duncan did a pretty fair job.The actor who played Nero Wolfe on A&E might've been good,too.There are probably a hundred guys out there who look like Kingpin.
I remember collecting DD when Miller came on board(in fact,that was the only reason I ever subscribed to DD)although I found it unusual and interesting,it was sometimes incredibly melodramatic,selfconscious and occasionally corny.That said,I liked it.IMO Miller was doing his Will Eisner impression,and it made DD worth picking up.
Ben Affleck wasn't my first choice to play Matt(I'd have cast the equally tall but lesser known Brad Johnson),but in all fairness,I think he was good--considerably better than the severely miscast Michael Keaton was as Batman.With Affleck, I believed that his character could and would beat the living s--t out of an adversary,unlike the petite Keaton.I also liked the fact that the movie DD really suffered for his cause-even going so far as to take pain killers.
It's not a pretty movie but I'm not sure DD's life is all that glamorous.Didn't care much for Colin Farrell as Deadshot, but I did like Jennifer Garner's Elektra(my own choice for this part would've been Charlotte Lewis in the original skimpy red outfit,but I don't get to cast these things),and I thought John Favreau was a fine Foggy.Considering that every one of these types of films is always compromised in some fashion,it was better that I'd expected.IMO it's about 85% true to the comics,which ain't bad.
I also liked Elektra, the movie.Yes,I know-I'm in a minority on this.I think it was a pretty fair adaptation of the storyline Miller wrote for the Elektra miniseries, with a few touches that I thought made Elektra a little more human than the print version--most notably her case of OCD.The villains were particularly well cast, and a few of them came very close to matching their print inspirations.
I can't imagine it would be easy for any scriptwriter,even Johnson who certainly seems to be a Marvel Zombie,to put everything on the screen precisely as it was written and drawn.As I said,I respect his efforts because getting these things made is probably very difficult even at the best of times.At least he actually knows his subject,which all too sadly is more than most of the comic book movie screenwriters and directors do--like your good buddy Singer.:))
As for Ghost Rider,it's a ridiculous idea to begin with, and I'd have much rather seen the original western hero than Johnny Blaze.But I did like that moment where the 2 GHs ride together to the old town and the appropriate "Ghost Riders in the Sky" is played in the background rather than some instantly forgettable song by someone who'll be famous for about five seconds.But that's just me.
Oh,by the way,the comic book Superman is now a father-at least in his Clark Kent persona.He and Lois adopted a boy who appears to be a survivor from the planet Krypton.Richard Donner wrote the 3 part story(illustrated by one of the Kuberts)published in Action Comics introducing "Christopher",Clark and Lois' little boy.
Yes,Yes,I know....no need to thank me,you're very welcome.:)
Deadshot? Isn't that the zombie-looking guy? ?:) I think you mean Bullseye and I didn't care much for him either.
Remember when I was urging you guys to pick this (Action Comics)up earlier this year?
You know about the Phantom Zone thing in it right? I was told that Part III would come with a supply of 3-D glasses; is this true?
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I dunno about the 3-D glasses.But yes,there seems to be only one part of the story available right now(although the kid's occasionally mentioned in the other Superman titles).Like you,I'm no more thrilled that Singer's decision to give Superman a son in a movie, has indirectly found it's way into the actual comics continuity--even as an obviously heartfelt tribute to the great Christopher Reeve,who,IMO, was a superman in the truest sense of the word..
Of course,being me,I'm so grumpy that I'm also unhappy to see that the influence of the Smallville TV show dictates that the comic book Luthor lived in that town and knew Clark Kent long before he and Superman became enemies.The original 1950s one-shot story was enough for me.Remember the ending?Superboy saves Luthor from a fire but there's some kind of chemical imbalance and it causes Luthor to go bald.So as a result he hates Superboy.Some genius.IMO If Luthor is so brilliant, he could find a way to regrow his hair(maybe even do something important like cure diseases).At any rate,with that bald dome,Luthor's in the height of style today.
However,you're absolutely right about DD's movie villain.See what an impression he made?I hereby hang my head in shame.It was Bullseye,all right.Got him confused with Deadshot to a recent run of stories Gail Simone's produced for "Birds of Prey" where she's managed to give that generally forgetable character a personality.
But hey--I really like the animated Alex Ross Batman image you've got going on.Very,very cool...:)
WG, I think you may need your eyes examined. While Affleck's DareDevil wears leather, it is indeed dark red:
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Thanks Hardy.Maybe I'm colorblind or maybe those films left less of an impression on me than I thought they had.Take your pick.At least the Affleck DD looks more like the character than the version Rex Smith played on that The Incredible Hulk TV movie.Of course,anything would have.