Sorry to keep nagging, but another thing's annoying me. How the hell did Felix Leiter find out who Bond was and what he was supposed to be doing there? No contacts or info was ever exchanged between CIA & MI6 (if I remember correctly). And also where the hell did felix get to? He was supposed to move in on Le Chiffre immediately after the game ended. We never see him again!
Sorry to keep nagging, but another thing's annoying me. How the hell did Felix Leiter find out who Bond was and what he was supposed to be doing there? No contacts or info was ever exchanged between CIA & MI6 (if I remember correctly). And also where the hell did felix get to? He was supposed to move in on Le Chiffre immediately after the game ended. We never see him again!
There were no contacts spelled out onscreen, but that doesn't mean there weren't any. Remember, the whole point was to prevent LeChiffre from winning back the money he lost. The more players with money to challenge him the better. As for your other question, I guess LeChiffre was able to give Leiter the slip, simple as that. Leiter couldn't just arrest him in a foreign country.
Those are not completely satisfying answers, I know, but it is possible to overthink movie plots. It is a movie, after all, and a pretty fanciful one at that: a Bond movie. Some things merely have to be plausible or possible, not necessarily likely or true-to-life. If you get right down to it, the whole concept of James Bond is ridiculous. How the hell did Blofeld get that huge installation into a volcano in the middle of the bay of a large city in YOLT without anyone apparently noticing? You'll drive yourself crazy if you ask too many questions. )
Sorry to keep nagging, but another thing's annoying me. How the hell did Felix Leiter find out who Bond was and what he was supposed to be doing there? No contacts or info was ever exchanged between CIA & MI6 (if I remember correctly). And also where the hell did felix get to? He was supposed to move in on Le Chiffre immediately after the game ended. We never see him again!
There were no contacts spelled out onscreen, but that doesn't mean there weren't any. Remember, the whole point was to prevent LeChiffre from winning back the money he lost. The more players with money to challenge him the better. As for your other question, I guess LeChiffre was able to give Leiter the slip, simple as that. Leiter couldn't just arrest him in a foreign country.
Those are not completely satisfying answers, I know, but it is possible to overthink movie plots. It is a movie, after all, and a pretty fanciful one at that: a Bond movie. Some things merely have to be plausible or possible, not necessarily likely or true-to-life. If you get right down to it, the whole concept of James Bond is ridiculous. How the hell did Blofeld get that huge installation into a volcano in the middle of the bay of a large city in YOLT without anyone apparently noticing? You'll drive yourself crazy if you ask too many questions. )
True blue I suppose. I can never help digging away at plot holes here and there, it happens with any movie I see but Bond movies affect me more. I could never stop bitching about 90% of DAD. It always takes a while for me to realise that you have to take most things in a Bond film with a pinch of salt, or in DAD's case; a few spoons full! Thanks for your two cents anyway highhopes!
True blue I suppose. I can never help digging away at plot holes here and there, it happens with any movie I see but Bond movies affect me more. I could never stop bitching about 90% of DAD. It always takes a while for me to realise that you have to take most things in a Bond film with a pinch of salt, or in DAD's case; a few spoons full! Thanks for your two cents anyway highhopes!
Yeah, anytime you can get by with a pinch of salt at a Bond film, it's like you're watching a documentary. ) )
It's still gets to me in GF, when Goldfinger sets up an elaborate, separate death for one of the mobsters when he plans to kill all his colleagues in a couple of minutes anyway. And I didn't notice that until just a couple years ago after numerous viewings. It drives me nuts. So I don't ask too many questions anymore. If it sort of hangs together in a general logical way, I won't look too closely into the particulars. It's too painful
True blue I suppose. I can never help digging away at plot holes here and there, it happens with any movie I see but Bond movies affect me more. I could never stop bitching about 90% of DAD. It always takes a while for me to realise that you have to take most things in a Bond film with a pinch of salt, or in DAD's case; a few spoons full! Thanks for your two cents anyway highhopes!
Yeah, anytime you can get by with a pinch of salt at a Bond film, it's like you're watching a documentary. ) )
It's still gets to me in GF, when Goldfinger sets up an elaborate, separate death for one of the mobsters when he plans to kill all his colleagues in a couple of minutes anyway. And I didn't notice that until just a couple years ago after numerous viewings. It drives me nuts. So I don't ask too many questions anymore. If it sort of hangs together in a general logical way, I won't look too closely into the particulars. It's too painful
It's still gets to me in GF, when Goldfinger sets up an elaborate, separate death for one of the mobsters when he plans to kill all his colleagues in a couple of minutes anyway. And I didn't notice that until just a couple years ago after numerous viewings. It drives me nuts. So I don't ask too many questions anymore. If it sort of hangs together in a general logical way, I won't look too closely into the particulars. It's too painful
But if GF would have asked Mr Solo to stay despite him 'wanting out' then surely the others would 'smell a rat'?
(Arrrgggghhhhhhh, this is a CR forum....STOP IT!):D;)
Hold on, I think there's still some unsettled confusion about the Dimitrios question.
When Bond pinpointed the coordinates of the text message (from M's flat), it showed exactly where it was sent from. When you watch it again, you will notice that the location on the map is exactly in front of the Ocean Club lobby (at the top of the circle driveway).
When Bond bends to tie his shoe, he knows he is standing in exactly the location from which the message was sent. He then looks up and sees what he expected/ hoped for: surveillance cameras. He now knows whoever made the call was caught on tape.
By crashing the jerk's Land Rover, Bond is not merely satisfying his shoved ego. He is also creating a distraction which forces all the security personnel to report to the car park.
Now the security office is empty and Bond has access to the stored footage from the CC cameras, and using the exact time of the text message he can see who made the call (and what vehicle he or she arrived in).
I'm sorry if I am stating the obvious, but it seemed to me some people were still unsure of how this all worked...
Hold on, I think there's still some unsettled confusion about the Dimitrios question.
When Bond pinpointed the coordinates of the text message (from M's flat), it showed exactly where it was sent from. When you watch it again, you will notice that the location on the map is exactly in front of the Ocean Club lobby (at the top of the circle driveway).
When Bond bends to tie his shoe, he knows he is standing in exactly the location from which the message was sent. He then looks up and sees what he expected/ hoped for: surveillance cameras. He now knows whoever made the call was caught on tape.
By crashing the jerk's Land Rover, Bond is not merely satisfying his shoved ego. He is also creating a distraction which forces all the security personnel to report to the car park.
Now the security office is empty and Bond has access to the stored footage from the CC cameras, and using the exact time of the text message he can see who made the call (and what vehicle he or she arrived in).
I'm sorry if I am stating the obvious, but it seemed to me some people were still unsure of how this all worked...
A superb synopsis.....spot on!
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I've got a question:
What was the whole deal with Micheal Wilson's character? (Add another cameo to his resume) I couldn't quite make out what Mathis was saying and before I knew it he was swarmed with police.
"My acting range? Left eyebrow raised, right eyebrow raised..."
What was the whole deal with Micheal Wilson's character? (Add another cameo to his resume) I couldn't quite make out what Mathis was saying and before I knew it he was swarmed with police.
So that the crooked Chief of Police (Wilson) wouldn't interfere with Le Chiffre and the poker game, they (Mathis) set him up as corrupt /taking bribes with 'evidence' and informed the Deputy Commissoner, who had him duly arrested
I have seen the movie and seen the trailer a gazillion times, yet I still can't make out what the man who gets shot by Bond is saying just before he gets shot. I'm talking about the opening black and white sequence.
OK, so Bond finds out this guy is doing bad stuff behind M's back, so Bond goes there to kill him. This guy talks about how you need two kills to become a double-O. Then he spouts more stuff off and Bond says, "yes, considerably." What the heck did he say to which Bond responded like that? I can't make it out.
Also, who is that thug Bond killed in the bathroom? I'm just totally confused with that opening sequence. Did M know he was doing all that?
I have seen the movie and seen the trailer a gazillion times, yet I still can't make out what the man who gets shot by Bond is saying just before he gets shot. I'm talking about the opening black and white sequence.
OK, so Bond finds out this guy is doing bad stuff behind M's back, so Bond goes there to kill him. This guy talks about how you need two kills to become a double-O. Then he spouts more stuff off and Bond says, "yes, considerably." What the heck did he say to which Bond responded like that? I can't make it out.
Also, who is that thug Bond killed in the bathroom? I'm just totally confused with that opening sequence. Did M know he was doing all that?
The man in the office remarked that he was surprised that M didn't send a 00 - he was section chief and had access to MI6 files so he knew who was what.
The first thug in the Bathroom was the contact of the man in the office. So the first thug was the first kill, shown in retrospect - which the Section Chief just found out about.
The Section Chief then asked 'how did he die?'
Bond: Your contact? Not well.
Then there was some exchange from the Section Chief, to say, 'did it get to you, killing a man etc'
The \section Chief then said something like, 'don't worry the 2nd ...'
and Bond shot him.
What the Chief would have said was, "don't worry, the second kill is considerably easier than the first'.
Bond anticpated his sentence and didn't prolong the situation and shot him, and finished the statement off 'Yes, considerably (easier to kill second time around)
I Have a question: Who sends the final sms in Vesper's cell phone, telling For James: Mr White? 007 hears a ring tone and opens the cell phone, correct? Or he justs open the phone, without hearing anything?
I Have a question: Who sends the final sms in Vesper's cell phone, telling For James: Mr White? 007 hears a ring tone and opens the cell phone, correct? Or he justs open the phone, without hearing anything?
No; after M tells Bond that the trail to the real villains has gone cold, Bond apparently gets a hunch that Vesper might have left a clue for him. He does a search for "Vesper Lynd" on the cell phone and finds the message.
This may seem dumb too, but when they removed the chip from his arm, no one at Mi6 noticed?? Did I miss their reaction, or did they have no idea it was destroyed?
This may seem dumb too, but when they removed the chip from his arm, no one at Mi6 noticed?? Did I miss their reaction, or did they have no idea it was destroyed?
?:)
They would have known, but their reaction is not recorded in the film. There's nothing they could have done about it anyway.
I Have a question: Who sends the final sms in Vesper's cell phone, telling For James: Mr White? 007 hears a ring tone and opens the cell phone, correct? Or he justs open the phone, without hearing anything?
No; after M tells Bond that the trail to the real villains has gone cold, Bond apparently gets a hunch that Vesper might have left a clue for him. He does a search for "Vesper Lynd" on the cell phone and finds the message.
What do you mean "He does a search for "Vesper Lynd" on the cell phone and finds the message". He does the search in Vesper's Phone? She left the message in a memo or something like that? No ringtone?
While we are on the topic of misheard quotes, I unfortunately have two lines from the movie that I didn't quite catch.
The first is in the Ocean Club casino, when the two dorks with the Land Rover see Bond at the bar. Over the laughter from the audience at the driver's reaction, I can't make out Bond's line. Is it, "Need a moment?"
Later, after seeing Solange's body for the last time, before M says "I knew you were you," what does Bond say? I didn't understand the line after Bond tells M to stop pretending.
While we are on the topic of misheard quotes, I unfortunately have two lines from the movie that I didn't quite catch.
The first is in the Ocean Club casino, when the two dorks with the Land Rover see Bond at the bar. Over the laughter from the audience at the driver's reaction, I can't make out Bond's line. Is it, "Need a moment?"
Later, after seeing Solange's body for the last time, before M says "I knew you were you," what does Bond say? I didn't understand the line after Bond tells M to stop pretending.
Thanks...
At the Club, he says something in German, "Good evening," think, although I forget the exact words. (the guy sounded like he might be German) It was kind of cool because German is one of the languages the literary Bond is supposed to speak.
"Stop pretending -- You knew I wasn't going to let this drop" or close to it is what he said to M
While we are on the topic of misheard quotes, I unfortunately have two lines from the movie that I didn't quite catch.
The first is in the Ocean Club casino, when the two dorks with the Land Rover see Bond at the bar. Over the laughter from the audience at the driver's reaction, I can't make out Bond's line. Is it, "Need a moment?"
Later, after seeing Solange's body for the last time, before M says "I knew you were you," what does Bond say? I didn't understand the line after Bond tells M to stop pretending.
Thanks...
At the Club, he says something in German, "Good evening," think, although I forget the exact words. (the guy sounded like he might be German) It was kind of cool because German is one of the languages the literary Bond is supposed to speak.
"Stop pretending -- You knew I wasn't going to let this drop" or close to it is what he said to M
While we are on the topic of misheard quotes, I unfortunately have two lines from the movie that I didn't quite catch.
The first is in the Ocean Club casino, when the two dorks with the Land Rover see Bond at the bar. Over the laughter from the audience at the driver's reaction, I can't make out Bond's line. Is it, "Need a moment?"
Later, after seeing Solange's body for the last time, before M says "I knew you were you," what does Bond say? I didn't understand the line after Bond tells M to stop pretending.
Thanks...
At the Club, he says something in German, "Good evening," think, although I forget the exact words. (the guy sounded like he might be German) It was kind of cool because German is one of the languages the literary Bond is supposed to speak.
"Stop pretending -- You knew I wasn't going to let this drop" or close to it is what he said to M
I concur with Double H on this one
Me too, saw it again today and I missed it the first time but the beloved speaks a smattering of German and picked it up. Guten Abend I believe is the phrase.
Total guilt thing. She felt bad for betraying James, and, of course, her country. That WAS, after all, the government of England's money. Even the bad guys show remorse, sometimes.
Sorry to keep nagging, but another thing's annoying me. How the hell did Felix Leiter find out who Bond was and what he was supposed to be doing there? No contacts or info was ever exchanged between CIA & MI6 (if I remember correctly). And also where the hell did felix get to? He was supposed to move in on Le Chiffre immediately after the game ended. We never see him again!
The Leiter thing seemed pretty plausible. After Bond's mayhem at the embassy, and being taken into custody at Miami Airport, I'm sure the CIA found out who he was, and figured out who he was after. So, it was a given that Leiter knew who Bond was.
As for Le Chiffre, he likely gave Leiter the slip. Or Leiter is really one of the bad guys.
When Bond leaves M's home. does he say "yes mam" or "yes mom". Sounded like mom to me.
It sounded like "mom" to me too, but be actually just called her "M". He's got that "marbles in his mouth" going on sometimes.
I listened out for this when I saw the film again and I think it was "Ma'am" as in 'marm' which would be something that officers/super-spies etc would use to address a senior female. Could be wrong but thats what I heard.
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There were no contacts spelled out onscreen, but that doesn't mean there weren't any. Remember, the whole point was to prevent LeChiffre from winning back the money he lost. The more players with money to challenge him the better. As for your other question, I guess LeChiffre was able to give Leiter the slip, simple as that. Leiter couldn't just arrest him in a foreign country.
Those are not completely satisfying answers, I know, but it is possible to overthink movie plots. It is a movie, after all, and a pretty fanciful one at that: a Bond movie. Some things merely have to be plausible or possible, not necessarily likely or true-to-life. If you get right down to it, the whole concept of James Bond is ridiculous. How the hell did Blofeld get that huge installation into a volcano in the middle of the bay of a large city in YOLT without anyone apparently noticing? You'll drive yourself crazy if you ask too many questions.
True blue I suppose. I can never help digging away at plot holes here and there, it happens with any movie I see but Bond movies affect me more. I could never stop bitching about 90% of DAD. It always takes a while for me to realise that you have to take most things in a Bond film with a pinch of salt, or in DAD's case; a few spoons full! Thanks for your two cents anyway highhopes!
Yeah, anytime you can get by with a pinch of salt at a Bond film, it's like you're watching a documentary.
It's still gets to me in GF, when Goldfinger sets up an elaborate, separate death for one of the mobsters when he plans to kill all his colleagues in a couple of minutes anyway. And I didn't notice that until just a couple years ago after numerous viewings. It drives me nuts. So I don't ask too many questions anymore. If it sort of hangs together in a general logical way, I won't look too closely into the particulars. It's too painful
Yeah, anytime you can get by with a pinch of salt at a Bond film, it's like you're watching a documentary.
It's still gets to me in GF, when Goldfinger sets up an elaborate, separate death for one of the mobsters when he plans to kill all his colleagues in a couple of minutes anyway. And I didn't notice that until just a couple years ago after numerous viewings. It drives me nuts. So I don't ask too many questions anymore. If it sort of hangs together in a general logical way, I won't look too closely into the particulars. It's too painful
But if GF would have asked Mr Solo to stay despite him 'wanting out' then surely the others would 'smell a rat'?
(Arrrgggghhhhhhh, this is a CR forum....STOP IT!):D;)
When Bond pinpointed the coordinates of the text message (from M's flat), it showed exactly where it was sent from. When you watch it again, you will notice that the location on the map is exactly in front of the Ocean Club lobby (at the top of the circle driveway).
When Bond bends to tie his shoe, he knows he is standing in exactly the location from which the message was sent. He then looks up and sees what he expected/ hoped for: surveillance cameras. He now knows whoever made the call was caught on tape.
By crashing the jerk's Land Rover, Bond is not merely satisfying his shoved ego. He is also creating a distraction which forces all the security personnel to report to the car park.
Now the security office is empty and Bond has access to the stored footage from the CC cameras, and using the exact time of the text message he can see who made the call (and what vehicle he or she arrived in).
I'm sorry if I am stating the obvious, but it seemed to me some people were still unsure of how this all worked...
A superb synopsis.....spot on!
What was the whole deal with Micheal Wilson's character? (Add another cameo to his resume) I couldn't quite make out what Mathis was saying and before I knew it he was swarmed with police.
-Roger Moore
So that the crooked Chief of Police (Wilson) wouldn't interfere with Le Chiffre and the poker game, they (Mathis) set him up as corrupt /taking bribes with 'evidence' and informed the Deputy Commissoner, who had him duly arrested
I have seen the movie and seen the trailer a gazillion times, yet I still can't make out what the man who gets shot by Bond is saying just before he gets shot. I'm talking about the opening black and white sequence.
OK, so Bond finds out this guy is doing bad stuff behind M's back, so Bond goes there to kill him. This guy talks about how you need two kills to become a double-O. Then he spouts more stuff off and Bond says, "yes, considerably." What the heck did he say to which Bond responded like that? I can't make it out.
Also, who is that thug Bond killed in the bathroom? I'm just totally confused with that opening sequence. Did M know he was doing all that?
The man in the office remarked that he was surprised that M didn't send a 00 - he was section chief and had access to MI6 files so he knew who was what.
The first thug in the Bathroom was the contact of the man in the office. So the first thug was the first kill, shown in retrospect - which the Section Chief just found out about.
The Section Chief then asked 'how did he die?'
Bond: Your contact? Not well.
Then there was some exchange from the Section Chief, to say, 'did it get to you, killing a man etc'
The \section Chief then said something like, 'don't worry the 2nd ...'
and Bond shot him.
What the Chief would have said was, "don't worry, the second kill is considerably easier than the first'.
Bond anticpated his sentence and didn't prolong the situation and shot him, and finished the statement off 'Yes, considerably (easier to kill second time around)
Quote: Did M know he was doing all that?
Yes she sent him, so as to promote him
No; after M tells Bond that the trail to the real villains has gone cold, Bond apparently gets a hunch that Vesper might have left a clue for him. He does a search for "Vesper Lynd" on the cell phone and finds the message.
?:)
They would have known, but their reaction is not recorded in the film. There's nothing they could have done about it anyway.
What do you mean "He does a search for "Vesper Lynd" on the cell phone and finds the message". He does the search in Vesper's Phone? She left the message in a memo or something like that? No ringtone?
It's defintely "ma'am." I would have walked out of the theater if he'd said "mom."
The first is in the Ocean Club casino, when the two dorks with the Land Rover see Bond at the bar. Over the laughter from the audience at the driver's reaction, I can't make out Bond's line. Is it, "Need a moment?"
Later, after seeing Solange's body for the last time, before M says "I knew you were you," what does Bond say? I didn't understand the line after Bond tells M to stop pretending.
Thanks...
At the Club, he says something in German, "Good evening," think, although I forget the exact words. (the guy sounded like he might be German) It was kind of cool because German is one of the languages the literary Bond is supposed to speak.
"Stop pretending -- You knew I wasn't going to let this drop" or close to it is what he said to M
I concur with Double H on this one
Me too, saw it again today and I missed it the first time but the beloved speaks a smattering of German and picked it up. Guten Abend I believe is the phrase.
The Leiter thing seemed pretty plausible. After Bond's mayhem at the embassy, and being taken into custody at Miami Airport, I'm sure the CIA found out who he was, and figured out who he was after. So, it was a given that Leiter knew who Bond was.
As for Le Chiffre, he likely gave Leiter the slip. Or Leiter is really one of the bad guys.
It sounded like "mom" to me too, but be actually just called her "M". He's got that "marbles in his mouth" going on sometimes.
De rien HH B-)
I listened out for this when I saw the film again and I think it was "Ma'am" as in 'marm' which would be something that officers/super-spies etc would use to address a senior female. Could be wrong but thats what I heard.