Gay Scene????
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I saw this linked on the CnB site:
contactmusic.com
30/11/06
Craig wants gay Bond scene
DANIEL CRAIG is urging movie bosses to revolutionise the JAMES BOND franchise by including a gay scene involving the
superspy in the follow-up to CASINO ROYALE. The heart-throb actor has also reportedly told studio chiefs he is prepared to film a full frontal nude scene to please both his male and
female admirers. He says, "Why not? I think in this day and age, fans would have accepted it. "I mean, look at (British TV series) DOCTOR WHO - that has had gay scenes in it and no
one blinks an eye."
Is this for real? a GAY BOND SCENE??? No way, 007 is too heterosexual for anything like this!!!
contactmusic.com
30/11/06
Craig wants gay Bond scene
DANIEL CRAIG is urging movie bosses to revolutionise the JAMES BOND franchise by including a gay scene involving the
superspy in the follow-up to CASINO ROYALE. The heart-throb actor has also reportedly told studio chiefs he is prepared to film a full frontal nude scene to please both his male and
female admirers. He says, "Why not? I think in this day and age, fans would have accepted it. "I mean, look at (British TV series) DOCTOR WHO - that has had gay scenes in it and no
one blinks an eye."
Is this for real? a GAY BOND SCENE??? No way, 007 is too heterosexual for anything like this!!!
Comments
Second, I saw this item yesterday (not on that irrelevant site) and I think it's just a bit of piffle. For one thing, Craig DOESN'T say that he wants to do a gay scene--he says he wants to do the full monty in a Bond film, and he uses gayness in Doctor Who as an example of how tolerant audiences have become. (Then again, I know that Captain Jack is supposed to be bisexual, but mentioning it is about as far as it got!) I also wonder how serious Craig was being--he could have just been joking around, and, as usual, the tabloid media are turning it into something bigger than it is.
I wouldn't worry too much about CnB ... this says far more about their homophobia (and attitude in general) than anything else.
Whilst I don't thing we'll ever see a gay Bond (considering the direction this thread is taking) it might be interesting to see a gay villain who would push the boundaries a little, just to change the dynamics of the villians motivations (and although I would be fine with that I know a lot of gay folks would see it as a bad thing).
As I've said before, I don't really think that Bond films need full frontal, I am not convinced that there is anything it would bring to the film unless they are going to release a 15 rated film or a directors cut 18 rated DVD edition.
Glad to see your Santa hat back Pred.
b) Daniel Craig was in a movie called "Love is the Devil" in a dysfunctional gay relationship with an artist played by Derek Jacobi and this film has acquired gay cult film status. Indeed Craig's character in that film has some Bondian elements, especially the clothes and the brooding in hotel rooms with a bottle of whiskey etc. Craig is obviously very comfortable with his own sexuality and not afraid to play gay roles. But this doesnt mean Bond should turn bisexual or something.
c) EON still owes the gay community an apology for their cringable portrayal of Wynt and Kidd in DAF and it's way past time that Bond was brought up to date re sexual reality. He could easily be the cool heterosexual male who is neither offended by homosexuality nor threatened by it due to an insecure sexual identity. He could have a gay colleague perhaps, who would of course die in the line of duty as do most non-recurring supporting characters in Bond films. Bond could be a role model teaching straight men how to behave around gay men without the threat of violence on the one hand or seduction on the other. I think it's time we left Fleming's sexism, heterosexism and racism behind.
female admirers."
Why does Daniel Craig think doing a nude scene would please his male fans? Obviously gay fans will be the ones pleased, but no straight guys will find pleasure from that.
Off the top of my head, FRWL the novel, in particular, seemd to deal with sexuality outside of Bond's relations a great deal. There is also extended discussion of the MacLean treachery and defection when Bond is in the middle of a policy meeting in FRWL (and mention of his homosexuality). Kronsteen has the distinct thought that Bond is "not homosexual" due to the specification on his dossier that he has a weakness for women. Grant is listed as asexual, implying that he gets his releases through killing people.
There's also an interesting mention of Tanya having a bottom that was "in the shape of a man's" (paraphrasing), on which Fleming comments "This would have been a problem for a purist." What, exactly, does this imply? That Fleming himself isn't a "purist?" It is well known that Fleming had some odd tastes (he was a sado masochist, and he and his wife were into spanking), and this is embodied somewhat in Bond's fascination with spanking. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that, while Fleming wasn't homosexual, he acknowledged it as a legitimate sexual reality, not necessarily as some type of fire and brimstone curr as has been the conservative norm in post-industrial Anglo-Saxson society. One thing is for certain: it is a reality that has been observed throughout the history of the Bond franchise.
There's one other scene that I can't believe people are forgetting in GF: the scene in which Bond makes the sexually suggestive gesture toward the prison cell guard in an attempt to lure him into the cell so that he can get out. So here, while the character of Bond himself is not homosexual, we have already established in the film franchise that he is secure in his heterosexuality and not afraid to use his sexuality in a homoerotic context in order to achieve the furthering of the objective of his mission. I don't think this is out of the context of what we could expect a man as serious about his job as Bond is.
Will Bond ever be portrayed having a extended gay affair, or as being bisexual? Let me answer this one quite simply for you: no. It is not going to happen, even if Rupert Everett was cast. One of the defining points of Bond's character is his vice for women, and it is not a poitn that is really open to change. Could Bond perhaps use his sexual virility in a homoerotic context/encounter in order to accomplish a mission? I don't see why not, and it adds an element of believability to his character. (If you guys don't think that homosexual practice isn't involved in the real world intelligence business, I submit to you the Cambridge Five) Just because someone is straight doesn't mean they can't have an encounter with someone of their own gender for a reason such as accomplishing a mission or futhering a career, or that a gay person couldn't have sex with someone of the opposite gender toward the same ends. And both happen plenty in society, for these reasons and a variety of others, whether or not we have minds open enough to comprehend the possibility of such encounters occuring and simultaneously not necessarily defining true nature/identity. But I can absolutely guarantee you that Bond in nature will never, ever be portrayed as being homosexual or bisexual, as he has been well defined by nature as heterosexual. There will not be in the true romantic sense as defined by the franchise a "Bond Boy" anytime in the future.
And allow me to note that I find some of the anti-gay sentiment expressed in this thread and others on this board to be flat out appalling. There is a mountain of scientific evidence indicating that true sexual orientation is something that is natural and hardwired in DNA, and thus not something that people can necessarily choose to acquire or develop. Men can't determine whether they get a hard on looking at the Cindy Margolis spread in the December 2006 issue of Playboy (like I said, I can't help it
Klaus, what are you talking about? No one in this thread has done any gay-bashing at all. A couple of people have said that they don't want to see a gay Bond or Bond involved in a male-to-male sexual relationship; but no one has made disparaging comments about gay people or even implied that homosexuality is either a perversion or some kind of "choice." If anything, the people in this thread have criticized that disgusting anti-Craig site for its rampant homophobia, and one has even said that the Bond series itself has created negative homosexual stereotypes. I don't know that you're trying to pick a fight, but please be more mindful of what you say.
Yeah, I highly doubt that the
Firstly, I didn't say they were anti-gay "slurs." I said it was sentiment. Most have objected to Bond being gay, and that's fine; I object to it, too. The degree to which a couple of posts have gone in doing it, I think, implies something deeper. And I have seen other stuff on the forums outside of this thread that's pretty questionable.
Secondly, watch that scene again. I think it's pretty clear what Bond is doing. Again, he's not gay, but he's using a technique in order to get out of there, as anyone as serious about his job as Bond is would be expected to do.
Sex never figured into it; nor have I ever before heard such a theory postulated ?:) Perhaps I'm alone in this ?:)
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I'm honestly surprised that I'm the only one so far who picked up on it.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I hate it when people can't take comments in context these days. People don't want to see a gay James Bond just like they don't want to see a female Bond. I am going to be really non PC and controversial here and say "I don't agree with homosexual relationships", but then again I don't think I should be prevented from expressing that opinion and don't think it should be taken as an insult. What is this world coming to! /me out.
Secondly, CnB is rampantly homophobic; it's one of the reasons why its founder was banned from this site. (Though one must ask why such a resolutely heterosexual website is absolutely obsessed with the way Daniel Craig looks; methinks they doth protest too much, etc). You wouldn't - and won't - get stuff like that going on at AJB, I can assure you.
Thirdly, for 1971, Wint and Kidd are positively progressive; they wear suits, they don't mince, flounce or act like pansies. They are taken seriously as killers, and pose the greatest threat to Bond in the whole film. Admittedly, we could have done without the "ooh!" on board the cruise ship, but they're a whole lot more butch than the supposedly heterosexual Blofeld (neither one of them drags up, or has a cigarette holder). Positive representation means that gay people are represented in all fields. Would it be nice for there to be a gay in the Bond films who isn't a psychopath? If the story accomodates it, yes, but I don't fancy a homosexual being shoehorned into the plot just to tick a politically correct box.
And finally, I have never, in all my years, heard a single wink being ascribed with so much meaning. Bond is not trying to be pansexual, or seductive; he's just winding the guard up by being friendly. Frankly Klaus, I applaud your interpretation, as it's one of the most out there theories I've heard in a long time and it's made me look at the films in a different way. Perhaps Grant and the Bond imposter were actually cruising one another at the start of FRWL - the moonlit night, the bushes, Grant taking the man from behind - the signs are all there. The toilet attendant paying Bond so much attention as he unlocks the cello case in TLD - was he actually hoping that 007 was cottaging, and was waiting to be invited into the cubicle? And actually, what lead to Bond and that contact being in a public toilet in CR? Is there an x-rated cut scene on the DVD? How about NSNA - Bond & Felix emerge from their encounter with Fatima in their underclothes - what went on in those missing minutes? In fact, how about Felix? He's a well dressed man who likes hanging out with Bond, buys him drinks, agrees with pretty much anything he says, helps 007 wherever he can, and has never had a girlfriend in the whole series - game set and match I think!
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