Couple of points regarding CR
lavabubble
Posts: 229MI6 Agent
Just wanted to clarify a couple of points really....
1) During the poker scene there are a grand total of 3 rebuys from what I can see: Bond, Infante and Fukutu. This gives a total pot of £115m on the table at the end of the game. However, when Mendel turns up with the encoder he says £120m is a lot of money - blooper or am I missing something?? The other thing is that Bond gave £0.5m to the dealer so it would have been even less anyway, unless we are assuming that the money was accruing interest whilst he was recouperating??
2) With the defibrillator etc. if Vesper was in league with Le Chiffre and or Mathis in any combination why did she revive Bond? At this point apart from the shower scene, nothing of consequence had happened between them.
Le Chiffre wanted him dead as his chip stack would have been eaten eventually by the blinds and if this was the case then Le Chiffre would win all the money anyway. He would not have needed the password as he would have been the winner of the entire pot??
3) Do we think it was a deliberate referral back to Bond's first 'kill' that Vesper died from drowning as (essentially) did Fisher at the start of the film?? Truth being that he was finished off by a gunshot but maybe there's something in it that the technique that was used for Bond to take his first life was the one that would take a life from him ultimately.
Anyway, any random thoughts welcome. Its late and I may be rambling but just wanted to put these thoughts out there
{[]
1) During the poker scene there are a grand total of 3 rebuys from what I can see: Bond, Infante and Fukutu. This gives a total pot of £115m on the table at the end of the game. However, when Mendel turns up with the encoder he says £120m is a lot of money - blooper or am I missing something?? The other thing is that Bond gave £0.5m to the dealer so it would have been even less anyway, unless we are assuming that the money was accruing interest whilst he was recouperating??
2) With the defibrillator etc. if Vesper was in league with Le Chiffre and or Mathis in any combination why did she revive Bond? At this point apart from the shower scene, nothing of consequence had happened between them.
Le Chiffre wanted him dead as his chip stack would have been eaten eventually by the blinds and if this was the case then Le Chiffre would win all the money anyway. He would not have needed the password as he would have been the winner of the entire pot??
3) Do we think it was a deliberate referral back to Bond's first 'kill' that Vesper died from drowning as (essentially) did Fisher at the start of the film?? Truth being that he was finished off by a gunshot but maybe there's something in it that the technique that was used for Bond to take his first life was the one that would take a life from him ultimately.
Anyway, any random thoughts welcome. Its late and I may be rambling but just wanted to put these thoughts out there
{[]
Comments
2) I disagree about nothing have happened between Bond and Vesper. I would say that there is significant chemistry between her and Bond by this stage, which would explain why she saved him.
3) Not sure about your third point, Fisher died because Bond drowned him while Vesper committed suicide. I think the drowning was just a more dramatic way for her to commit suicide (i.e more appropriate for cinema) and thats why it was used rather than any other reason.
I'm getting getting ready for work, so I'll have to ponder these and get back to you. But something struck me about Number 2:
I'd like to think that if I was lying unconscious in my car -- even if it wasn't an Aston Martin -- with a defillibrator hooked up to my chest and a cellphone beside me with people screaming "push the button, Highhopes ... push the button" and you happened by, you wouldn't say to yourself: "Sorry pal, but nothing of consequence has happened between us ... " and walk on
But their money would still have been in play at the end of the game for Bond to win as they would have rebought and been eliminated. That's what confused me a bit ?:)
HH I couldn't walk on by and see you suffer
My point really was that if she didn't love him (as some have suggested) and was corrupt then he was worth more to her dead as her life would instantly been easier. Le Chiffre gets the money and everything goes to plan.
Whew ... After reading that first line about not wanting to see me suffer, I thought you were about to say you'd finish me off
I've had a chance to think about that one, and I think she saved him simply because by that time they had feelings for each other and she didn't want to see him die. Remember -- her betrayal was only to committing to not giving Bond the additional buy-in (and she didn't). Allowing him to die wasn't part of the bargain.
1. Couldn't tell you. I generally tune out in those moments, as other than the actual play of cards, the intracacies of betting bore me.
2. Didn't she not have the password yet? If Bond had died, would that have mucked things up in this regard?
3. Water is a motif, though not a particularly artistically envisioned one. A friend did say that the whole shower scene foreshadowed to her immediately that Vesper was going to die, probably by drowning. She said there was something "suicidal" in the construction of that moment. I find it interesting that both Tracy, Bond's future wife, tries to kill herself by drowning, and now Vesper, film-wise at least, does.
This particular scene didn't do anything for me to really cement the relationship between Bond and Vesper, simply for the reason that it could just as easily been anyone walking by the car. In OHMSS, Tracy traveled all the way to Switzerland looking for Bond...that bespoke a strong emotion. Vesper simply went across the parking lot.
She wouldn't have needed it as Bond would never have won. With poker if you are dealt out you still have to put the blinds in the pot when its your turn. Assuming Le Chiffre still knocked out FL then Bond's chip stack would have just dwindled away until Le Chiffre had all the money and won anyway. Le Chiffre would have then entered his password to get the cash.
Could the extra five million include the CIA money? Maybe Langely gave Bond a little extra buffer money to play with.
And saved Bond's life. I guess I'm old fashioned but that seems to count for a lot in my book.
Tracy travelled all the way to Switzerland... from France. Looked at a map lately?
I apologise Lavabubble, on seeing CR for the second time I picked up on this. On the last hand, there is 24 mill in the pot then the first guy goes all in with 6, he is called by the second guy with 5 and Bond goes all in with 40.5m so that is 24+6+5+40.5 = 75.5m. Le Chiffre has to go all in to call Bond so he has less than 40m (approx 39.5m) which equals 115m.
This number is definitely mentioned however when the Swiss banker comes back at the end he says 120m. How long do you think was between the screen s? Maybe it was invested in a high interest account or something =P
To be honest I think its just a slip up in the script. At the end when he checks Vesper's phone I'm sure the date on it is 4 August 06. If I recall properly the date on the first Ellipsis message is July so that would only be about a month between the two. The money is also being held in escrow so theoretically there should be no interest accruing.
(I really wish I didn't notice these things
I guess that I've seen Bond saved by other people so often in other films that I tend to take it for granted...I think of it more as 'professional courtesy' and not necessarily emotion. After all, if Bond was too old-fashioned, he'd have ended up marrying Pushkin at the end of TLD for saving his life.
Only if Felix had stopped for a look at DC's six pack before wiring the defibillator back up
Pretend for a moment: You ask me how much money I have in my pocket. I say to you "Seven bucks." But then I empty my pocket, I actually have $7.81, or $6.72. A hundred million, $115 million, $120 million. It was a casual, conversational remark -- a joke, really. Mendel threw out an approximate, rounded figure to bolster a witticism about how nervous he was dealing with that kind of dough. He was making a point about his nervousness. It wasn't like he was a teller at the bank giving a customer their balance. People talk that way all the time.
As far i understand, she didn't gave him the Martini, she even noticed that.
why she save his life... because it was part of her assignment (MI6's one, not the bad guys mission)
If Leiter is attracted by Bond, at least that makes him an important role... not that plastic and empty one (it would be more appropiate if he just fell down the stairs and find 5 millions...
Maybe there should be a spy in the Village People