What If It Had Been Clive Owen Instead?

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  • Lady RoseLady Rose London,UKPosts: 2,667MI6 Agent
    Fish1941 wrote:
    You should have seen Gerald Butler in LARA CROFT 2. Granted, the movie's finale sucked, as far as I'm concerned. But he was great.

    Did someone mention Gerard :x Butler?

    He is the sole reason why I sat through LC2 more than once! And yes, Dear Frankie is an excellent little film that never got the sucess it deserved.

    It will be very intersting to see how he fares with '300' ( gives Craig a huge run for his money in the built up body stakes! :o ) and 'Butterfly On a Wheel' with Pierce this year.

    I'm very happy with Craig but I would have been a very happy bunny if Butler had been Bond.

    Either way, they are both better than Owen!
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,856Chief of Staff
    John Drake wrote:
    In some perfect casting Clive's apparently going to be the new Philip Marlowe:

    http://comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=18531

    That would be perfect. It would be nice to know which novel they are planning to adapt. Looks like it's just at the idea stage just now, but that's a film I'd love to see.

    The only Chandler novel not to be filmed is Playback, his last. It'd be nice to see Owen as Marlowe in that one; he's excellent in noir, as he proved in Sin City.
  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    It'd be nice to see Owen as Marlowe in that one; he's excellent in noir, ].

    I agree. I think that style of movie suits him. I loved him in 'I'll Sleep When I'm Dead.'
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    Er, a word of warning. Can he do an American accent? He struggled in Inside Man.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    Good point. Still thought he was good in 'Inside Man,' though. I like his screen persona. If they do make this Marlowe movie, they can always pretend that the wavering accent is a tribute to the years Raymond Chandler spent in England.
  • highhopeshighhopes Posts: 1,358MI6 Agent
    Owen would make a good Marlowe. But I'm even more intrigued by the TV series idea mentioned in the story. They'd have a long way to go to improve on the old HBO Marlowe series with Powers Boothe (an outstanding Marlowe, who, like Craig with Bond, was not someone you'd immediately associate with the role)
  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    highhopes wrote:
    Owen would make a good Marlowe. But I'm even more intrigued by the TV series idea mentioned in the story. They'd have a long way to go to improve on the old HBO Marlowe series with Powers Boothe (an outstanding Marlowe, who, like Craig with Bond, was not someone you'd immediately associate with the role)

    They used to show that on late-night TV in the UK, back when I was a teenager. I seem to remember really liking it, but it's been a while. I notice its available on R1 DVD. Do you think it's worth buying online, HH?
  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    Here's a link to a trailer for Owen's new film, 'Shoot Em Up.' Looks promising. Couple of great lines, 'I'm a British nanny and I'm dangerous,' and Paul Giametti asking 'Who are you, Mr Hero?' Trailer reminds me of the early rougher Spaghetti Westerns crossed with an 80's action movie. But watch what happens when the release date 2007 appears. The number 007 pops up on screen first, then the 2 arrives shortly after. So for a brief moment 007 appears on screen in a trailer for an Owen film. I think somebody in the marketing department was having a bit of fun there.
  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    That's twice today I've forgot to post a link! ;% You can tell it's Sunday and I got to my bed late last night. :D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dXdjlKv6oo
  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    Found this fan-made poster when I was googling for info about 'The Propery of a Lady,' or 'Risico.'

    fanartclive.jpg

    Have to say I'm happier with Craig, but it's not a bad poster.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,331MI6 Agent
    I noticed something else:
    Do you know who Daniel Craig looked like, esp. when he rose from the sea like a male Ursulla Andrews?
    Willie Garvin - Modesty Blaises sidekick!
  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I noticed something else:
    Do you know who Daniel Craig looked like, esp. when he rose from the sea like a male Ursulla Andrews?
    Willie Garvin - Modesty Blaises sidekick!

    Yeah, they do kind of look the same. Although Stamp is prettier. It's the eyes that are most similar.

    stamp-modestyblaise1_1106244122.jpg

    [img][/img]http://www.gerrymccann.com/images/photos/Portrait/portrait 4.jpg
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    Geez, Stamp is creepy looking. Anyway, I still don't understand the fascination with Owen as Bond, even with his bit of "Dr. No" Connery impersonation in "Croupier." Owen looks like a meathead to me -- he's got a cro-magnon quality, with a combination of the mentally deficient/coming off a high features of Nicholas Cage combined with the knuckle-dragging, ain't been walking upright too long demeanor of Sylvester Stallone. He's masculine, I'll say that.
  • arthur pringlearthur pringle SpacePosts: 366MI6 Agent
    John Drake wrote:
    Here's a link to a trailer for Owen's new film, 'Shoot Em Up.' Looks promising. Couple of great lines, 'I'm a British nanny and I'm dangerous,' and Paul Giametti asking 'Who are you, Mr Hero?' Trailer reminds me of the early rougher Spaghetti Westerns crossed with an 80's action movie. But watch what happens when the release date 2007 appears. The number 007 pops up on screen first, then the 2 arrives shortly after. So for a brief moment 007 appears on screen in a trailer for an Owen film. I think somebody in the marketing department was having a bit of fun there.

    I noticed the cheeky use of 007 at the end of the trailer. I'm looking forward to Shoot Em Up. I've always had time for Clive Owen. The Bond thing came a few years too late. I think he would have been an interesting Bond if cast in 2000/2001 and looked the part.
  • Willie GarvinWillie Garvin Posts: 1,412MI6 Agent
    John Drake wrote:
    highhopes wrote:
    Owen would make a good Marlowe. But I'm even more intrigued by the TV series idea mentioned in the story. They'd have a long way to go to improve on the old HBO Marlowe series with Powers Boothe (an outstanding Marlowe, who, like Craig with Bond, was not someone you'd immediately associate with the role)

    They used to show that on late-night TV in the UK, back when I was a teenager. I seem to remember really liking it, but it's been a while. I notice its available on R1 DVD. Do you think it's worth buying online, HH?

    Excuse me,JD--I'm not HH but I do have the Powers Boothe Philip Marlowe series on DVD and I can recommend it wholeheartedly.The episodes are all adaptations of several of Raymond Chandler's pulp magazine PI short stories written years before he created Philip Marlowe and easily converted into Marlowe stories.

    In my opinion, the very best Philip Marlowe film is Murder My Sweet(based on Farewell,My Lovely) with Dick Powell absolutely outstanding as Marlowe.This one is on DVD as is the famously convoluted The Big Sleep with Bogart as Marlowe(in fact,the R1 DVD features both versions of this film--the one with extra Bacall sequences that was released to theatres and the original unreleased version which actually makes a little more sense.This addition may also be available on the R2 DVD as well).

    The Lady in the Lake used a subjective camera as Marlowe allowing the audience to be in his place.Robert Montomery directed and starred as PM(we see him in relections).An interesting experiment.It's on DVD.

    And of course there's the Robert Mitchum version of Farewell My Lovely on DVD,set in its proper period, along with an updated version of The Big Sleep relocated to England,again with Mitchum and also on DVD.

    For what it's worth,I'd like to see George Clooney play Philip Marlowe.Chandler said that he visualized Marlowe as resembling Cary Grant--and IMO Clooney comes fairly close to that description.
  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent

    Excuse me,JD--I'm not HH but I do have the Powers Boothe Philip Marlowe series on DVD and I can recommend it wholeheartedly.The episodes are all adaptations of several of Raymond Chandler's pulp magazine PI short stories written years before he created Philip Marlowe and easily converted into Marlowe stories.

    In my opinion, the very best Philip Marlowe film is Murder My Sweet(based on Farewell,My Lovely) with Dick Powell absolutely outstanding as Marlowe.This one is on DVD as is the famously convoluted The Big Sleep with Bogart as Marlowe(in fact,the R1 DVD features both versions of this film--the one with extra Bacall sequences that was released to theatres and the original unreleased version which actually makes a little more sense.This addition may also be available on the R2 DVD as well).

    The Lady in the Lake used a subjective camera as Marlowe allowing the audience to be in his place.Robert Montomery directed and starred as PM(we see him in relections).An interesting experiment.It's on DVD.

    And of course there's the Robert Mitchum version of Farewell My Lovely on DVD,set in its proper period, along with an updated version of The Big Sleep relocated to England,again with Mitchum and also on DVD.

    For what it's worth,I'd like to see George Clooney play Philip Marlowe.Chandler said that he visualized Marlowe as resembling Cary Grant--and IMO Clooney comes fairly close to that description.

    Cheers Willie. {[] I'll have to try and get hold of the Powers Boothe version. Terrific actor. Glad to see him turning up in the new series of '24.'

    I've seen most of the Marlowe film adaptations. I'd give an honourable mention to James Garner in 'Marlowe,' which I think was based on Chandler's 'The Little Sister.' I think he's the only man to get attacked by Bruce Lee in a film and survive. :D

    And Clooney would be great. He could even direct the film as well, given how well he recreated the 50's for 'Good Night and Good Luck,' and the 70's for 'Confessions of a Dangerous Mind.' I'm sure he could do the same for another take on 'Farewell My Lovely.'
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,856Chief of Staff
    I've always found Robert Altman's version The Long Goodbye a guilty pleasure. Updated and eccentric it may be, but it's a quirky look at Marlowe which has its own appeal.
  • highhopeshighhopes Posts: 1,358MI6 Agent
    John Drake wrote:

    Excuse me,JD--I'm not HH but I do have the Powers Boothe Philip Marlowe series on DVD and I can recommend it wholeheartedly.The episodes are all adaptations of several of Raymond Chandler's pulp magazine PI short stories written years before he created Philip Marlowe and easily converted into Marlowe stories.

    In my opinion, the very best Philip Marlowe film is Murder My Sweet(based on Farewell,My Lovely) with Dick Powell absolutely outstanding as Marlowe.This one is on DVD as is the famously convoluted The Big Sleep with Bogart as Marlowe(in fact,the R1 DVD features both versions of this film--the one with extra Bacall sequences that was released to theatres and the original unreleased version which actually makes a little more sense.This addition may also be available on the R2 DVD as well).

    The Lady in the Lake used a subjective camera as Marlowe allowing the audience to be in his place.Robert Montomery directed and starred as PM(we see him in relections).An interesting experiment.It's on DVD.

    And of course there's the Robert Mitchum version of Farewell My Lovely on DVD,set in its proper period, along with an updated version of The Big Sleep relocated to England,again with Mitchum and also on DVD.

    For what it's worth,I'd like to see George Clooney play Philip Marlowe.Chandler said that he visualized Marlowe as resembling Cary Grant--and IMO Clooney comes fairly close to that description.

    Cheers Willie. {[] I'll have to try and get hold of the Powers Boothe version. Terrific actor. Glad to see him turning up in the new series of '24.'

    I've seen most of the Marlowe film adaptations. I'd give an honourable mention to James Garner in 'Marlowe,' which I think was based on Chandler's 'The Little Sister.' I think he's the only man to get attacked by Bruce Lee in a film and survive. :D

    And Clooney would be great. He could even direct the film as well, given how well he recreated the 50's for 'Good Night and Good Luck,' and the 70's for 'Confessions of a Dangerous Mind.' I'm sure he could do the same for another take on 'Farewell My Lovely.'

    Sorry JD, I missed your question a while back. But yes, the TV series is very much worth it, although I have never seen it on tape or disk myself.

    And I agree with everything that's been said about Marlowe and the films, except maybe Chandler saying Marlowe looked like Cary Grant. It brings to mind something Grant once said: "Everyone wants to be 'Cary Grant.' Even I want to be 'Cary Grant.'" ;)
  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    I've always found Robert Altman's version The Long Goodbye a guilty pleasure. Updated and eccentric it may be, but it's a quirky look at Marlowe which has its own appeal.

    I don't think you need to be guilty Barbel, 'The Long Goodbye' is terrific. I can see why some Chandler enthusiasts hate it, but for me it's one of the best films of the 70's.
  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    highhopes wrote:
    It brings to mind something Grant once said: "Everyone wants to be 'Cary Grant.' Even I want to be 'Cary Grant.'" ;)

    That's class. :)
  • zwengzweng Posts: 1MI6 Agent
    Personally i dont think enough consideration was given to alternative Bonds...Eddie Izzard would have been a better bond than either Craig or Owen....just my opinion though
  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    zweng wrote:
    Personally i dont think enough consideration was given to alternative Bonds...Eddie Izzard would have been a better bond than either Craig or Owen....just my opinion though

    Er,

    eddie_izzard.jpg

    Still, they are looking for a new Miss Moneypenny :))
  • EaglemanEagleman Posts: 26MI6 Agent
    Before Criag was cast. My first choice was Clive Owen. But after watching Criag I think it's the right choice. No one could have made a better job of Casino Royale. Sure, Owen looks more like Bond, but Criag plays Bond better than any of the actors before him. Craig reminds me of a young Steve McQueen, blond hair blue eyes, deadly looks. Roll on many years of Criag's Bond. -{
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