Bond Girls- better looking in other film?

Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
edited February 2007 in The James Bond Films
First, let me say that I looked up the search function, and I couldn't find a topic exactly like this one, but if, Mods, you do think it's unorignal then please close it. ;)

I was recently rewatching an old episode of The Avengers. I love the show, but a major reason I watch it is Diana Rigg. IMO she remains the sexiest character in TV history. Anyway, although I love Tracey, I don't think that Rigg was quite as alluring in OHMSS as she was in The Avengers.

I also remember watching Halle Berry in a TV film called The Rich Man's Wife and fallng in love with her, only to be disappointed with how she looked in DAD. This is more extreme than in the case of Rigg, because while I think Rigg is better-looking as Emma Peel, I still think she's really pretty as Tracey.

My question to you therefore is this; is there any actress whom you think is beautiful, only to be disappointed with how she looks as a Bond girl? You may still think she looks very attractive as a Bond girl, but nowhere near as attractive in another film/TV show.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman

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  • Bill TannerBill Tanner "Spending the money quickly" iPosts: 261MI6 Agent
    Teri Hatcher & Joanna Lumley.

    I remember reading that Hatcher hated the Paris Carver hairstyle. Lumley never looked better than her Purdey days.

    All in my opinion of course...
  • wordswords Buckinghamshire, EnglandPosts: 249MI6 Agent
    Tanya Roberts in Sheena - Queen of the Jungle. Though that could be just because of the leather bikini of course! :D
  • Lazenby880Lazenby880 LondonPosts: 525MI6 Agent
    Would this be an apt time to mention Eva Green in The Dreamers? Then again, Mme Green is not necessarily better looking in that picture, however there are elements of her performance that are particularly alluring. ;)
  • AlexAlex The Eastern SeaboardPosts: 2,694MI6 Agent
    Britt Ekland, blond goddess in her early Italian films, or with Sellers in After The Fox, The Bobo, or Caine's Get Carter.

    Of course she was stunning in TMWTGG and still very much so today, but her 60s period is my favorite.
  • Prince Kamal KhanPrince Kamal Khan Posts: 277MI6 Agent
    Karin Dor(Helga Brandt) look much prettier in Alfred Hitchcock's Topaz as brunette than she did as a redhead in You Only Live Twice. I believe Miss Dor is a natural brunette but they probably dyed her hair in YOLT to turn her into another lethal SPECTRE redhead in the Fiona Volpe tradition and to make her stand out more from Kissy and Aki.
  • AlexAlex The Eastern SeaboardPosts: 2,694MI6 Agent
    Karin Dor(Helga Brandt) look much prettier in Alfred Hitchcock's Topaz as brunette than she did as a redhead in You Only Live Twice. I believe Miss Dor is a natural brunette but they probably dyed her hair in YOLT to turn her into another lethal SPECTRE redhead in the Fiona Volpe tradition and to make her stand out more from Kissy and Aki.
    Welcome back, PKK. Long time no see...

    I love Karin Dor, have several German "krimis" wth her, along with Lex Barker, Christopher Lee.

    She might be a "poor man's Fiona", but I think she's one beautiful underated german beauty! -{
  • Prince Kamal KhanPrince Kamal Khan Posts: 277MI6 Agent
    edited January 2007
    Alex wrote:
    Karin Dor(Helga Brandt) look much prettier in Alfred Hitchcock's Topaz as brunette than she did as a redhead in You Only Live Twice. I believe Miss Dor is a natural brunette but they probably dyed her hair in YOLT to turn her into another lethal SPECTRE redhead in the Fiona Volpe tradition and to make her stand out more from Kissy and Aki.
    Welcome back, PKK. Long time no see...

    I love Karin Dor, have several German "krimis" wth her, along with Lex Barker, Christopher Lee.

    She might be a "poor man's Fiona", but I think she's one beautiful underated german beauty! -{

    Thanks, Alex. I taped a German western off the western channel with Miss Dor and Herbert Lom I need to watch sometime.

    I think Karin Dor suffers from being the "George Lazenby" of the Bond femme fatales while Luciana Paluzzi is of course the "Sean Connery" of them, i.e., Miss Dor had the uneviable task of following a terrific act. While Miss Paluzzi is undeniably incredible(and Connery's prettiest girl IMHO), Miss Dor gives a fine and underrated performance as Miss Brandt. I love how she says "Are you really you won't change your mind?" I actually saw YOLT prior to TB and was shocked by her character's actions, double-crossings and ultimately unforgettable demise. Perhaps if Helga came before Fiona chronilogically in the series, Fiona Volpe would be known as the "poor man's" Helga Brandt.
  • JamesbondjrJamesbondjr Posts: 462MI6 Agent
    Famke Jansen in the X-men films.

    I always thought she looked a bit OTT in Goldeneye with the cigars and all.
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  • Prince Kamal KhanPrince Kamal Khan Posts: 277MI6 Agent
    From this trailer for Fracture I think Rosamund Pike looks better in it than she did in DAD-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se03u-BMu70

    and Teri Hatcher looks far prettier in this clip from Lois & Clark than she did in TND-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZtTDdXjv-I
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    Fish1941 wrote:
    I had a feeling this would come to another attempt to bash Halle Berry in DAD. Which is why I won't waste another moment with this particular thread.
    Then why the heck are you even responding? :s :s :s
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • RJJBRJJB United StatesPosts: 346MI6 Agent
    edited April 2007
    Dan Same wrote:
    Fish1941 wrote:
    I had a feeling this would come to another attempt to bash Halle Berry in DAD. Which is why I won't waste another moment with this particular thread.
    Then why the heck are you even responding? :s :s :s

    Also, how does one comment in ten make this a bashing attempt on Halle Berry? As usual, Fish is attacking people for having their own opinions.
  • Moore Not LessMoore Not Less Posts: 1,095MI6 Agent
    Teri Hatcher & Joanna Lumley.

    I remember reading that Hatcher hated the Paris Carver hairstyle. Lumley never looked better than her Purdey days.

    All in my opinion of course...

    And a very wise opinion indeed, Bill. I also agree with Dan Same regarding Diana Rigg.

    As for Halle Berry. I saw the trailer earlier today for her new film (the name of which escapes me) with Bruce Willis and she looks great, I hardly recognised her at first.

    And here she is only last week celebrating her introduction to the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    I can understand having a problem with the Jinx character, the way she was played, or even Ms Berry's acting ability...but I thought she looked hot hot hot in DAD---just as she pretty much does all the time, to my eyes...long hair, short hair, I don't care. I thought the bikini beach bit in Die was just splendid :x

    Ditto for the delectable Diana Rigg---she looks great. Any place, any time, any show, any movie. Of course, Tracy Bond never more leather tights...more's the pity :D

    I guess I'm of the opinion that a hottie is a hottie.

    Loved Eva Green in The Dreamers :o :x
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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    As for Halle Berry. I saw the trailer earlier today for her new film (the name of which escapes me) with Bruce Willis and she looks great, I hardly recognised her at first.
    It's called Perfect Stranger. I'm really looking forward to it. :D
    And here she is only last week celebrating her introduction to the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

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    That's a great photo of her. {[]
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited April 2007
    I can understand having a problem with the Jinx character, the way she was played, or even Ms Berry's acting ability...but I thought she looked hot hot hot in DAD---just as she pretty much does all the time, to my eyes...long hair, short hair, I don't care. I thought the bikini beach bit in Die was just splendid :x
    I am a massive Halle fan, and I'm still waiting for her answer to my marriage proposal ;), but for some reason or another (it could have been the acting, the script or probably the short hair) she really turned me off in DAD. I understand why other people would love her (as you said, a hottie is a hottie), but I don't know, she just didn't do it for me in that film. :#
    Ditto for the delectable Diana Rigg---she looks great. Any place, any time, any show, any movie. Of course, Tracy Bond never more leather tights...more's the pity :D
    I too thought that Rigg was great in OHMSS. However I am heads-over-heels, flatout in love with Emma Peel. :D She is, without of a shadow of a doubt, my all-time favourite female TV character, and it's not simply because of her looks. I just find her to be, as well as supremely sexy, an incredibly strong, independent, intellegent, funny woman. :D Anyway, as much as I love Tracey, I don't think she compares to Emma. ;)
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    Dan Same wrote:
    I too thought that Rigg was great in OHMSS. However I am heads-over-heels, flatout in love with Emma Peel. :D She is, without of a shadow of a doubt, my all-time favourite female TV character, and it's not simply because of her looks. I just find her to be, as well as supremely sexy, an incredibly strong, independent, intellegent, funny woman. :D Anyway, as much as I love Tracey, I don't think she compares to Emma. ;)

    Well, that's fair enough {[]

    Tracy really was 'damaged goods,' especially when compared to superheroine Emma Peel---a completely different type of woman. It's a tribute to Dame Diana that she did both so well.
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  • Prince Kamal KhanPrince Kamal Khan Posts: 277MI6 Agent
    edited April 2007
    Dan Same wrote:
    I too thought that Rigg was great in OHMSS. However I am heads-over-heels, flatout in love with Emma Peel. :D She is, without of a shadow of a doubt, my all-time favourite female TV character, and it's not simply because of her looks. I just find her to be, as well as supremely sexy, an incredibly strong, independent, intellegent, funny woman. :D Anyway, as much as I love Tracey, I don't think she compares to Emma. ;)

    Well, that's fair enough {[]

    Tracy really was 'damaged goods,' especially when compared to superheroine Emma Peel---a completely different type of woman. It's a tribute to Dame Diana that she did both so well.

    A slight problem I have with Diana Rigg's Tracy is the fact, as Raymond Benson wrote, I never really believe her Tracy needs Bond like Fleming's Tracy did. Catherine Deneuve probably would have been closer to the character Ian Fleming actually wrote than Miss Rigg's Tracy. That stated, I adore Dame Diana and I do believe she loves Bond even if she doesn't quite need him. I'm glad she got to be a Bond girl and a much better "action Bond girl" than Carey Lowell, Michelle Yeoh and Halle Berry were that's for sure.
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    To me, the notion of Tracy 'needing' Bond is quite ethereal---one believes it and accepts it, or not---rather like Bond's love for Vesper (and vice versa) in CR.

    I happen to accept both instances...whether it be due to Fleming's source material, the strengths of performance of the actors in each instance, the scripts, etc...but it works for me in each case---buoyed, no doubt, by the knowledge that these two romances (Bond and Vesper in CR, and Bond and Tracy in OHMSS) represent the two major loves of Bond's life.

    All other relationships, as indicated in the dossier on the CR website, are "none of any particular closeness or length."
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  • Barry NelsonBarry Nelson ChicagoPosts: 1,508MI6 Agent
    I definitely believed Tracy needed Bond in OHMSS, however I didn't believe Vesper's need for Bond in CR.

    As for Tracy being a better action Bond girl than others, I still think Carey Lowell's performance in LTK was excellent as she balanced being efficient in the action scenes while maintaining her sexual appeal.

    Back on topic - Shirley Eaton is one Bond girl who NEVER looked better than when she appeared in GF.
  • bluemanblueman PDXPosts: 1,667MI6 Agent
    edited April 2007
    To me, the notion of Tracy 'needing' Bond is quite ethereal---one believes it and accepts it, or not---rather like Bond's love for Vesper (and vice versa) in CR.

    I happen to accept both instances...whether it be due to Fleming's source material, the strengths of performance of the actors in each instance, the scripts, etc...but it works for me in each case---buoyed, no doubt, by the knowledge that these two romances (Bond and Vesper in CR, and Bond and Tracy in OHMSS) represent the two major loves of Bond's life.

    All other relationships, as indicated in the dossier on the CR website, are "none of any particular closeness or length."

    Yeah, good points. It's just as easy to believe movie Tracy is simply a sad girl, and not nearly as desperate as in the novel. I also think by the late 60s, it would've been hard to sell a character like Fleming's early 60s (or was that early 30s, lol) Tracy. Sometimes, his female characters feel like creations from his youth, as opposed to contempory (to his novels I mean) women. Such a character could have existed late 60s, just not as Fleming wrote her, IMO. Rigg almost comes off as too competent to have a wing down as depicted by Fleming. And agree that Deneuve would've been perfect.
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    Doesn't help that Lazenby is the ingenue here rather than the man of the world Connery would have portrayed. It's like Rigg is coming to Bond's assistance as much as anything and the more mature character.

    Obv Kim Basinger made more of an impact in virtually any other film than NSNA.
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  • Brosnan_fanBrosnan_fan Sydney, AustraliaPosts: 521MI6 Agent
    Jane Seymour trying to seduce Owen Wilson in Wedding Crashers, 'nuff said. :D
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  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    Seeing Halle Berry lately, I do think that though she was hot in DAD, she looks even hotter in other stuff.

    I'm most miffed however by Sophie Marceau, who I had a crush on from Braveheart in which she exuded a regal, chaste and ethereal beauty (making her "surrender" more interesting IMO ;% ), which I feel they failed to capture in TWINE.
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  • JennyFlexFanJennyFlexFan Posts: 1,497MI6 Agent
    Doesn't help that Lazenby is the ingenue here rather than the man of the world Connery would have portrayed. It's like Rigg is coming to Bond's assistance as much as anything and the more mature character.

    Obv Kim Basinger made more of an impact in virtually any other film than NSNA.

    Yeah, that was before Kim had a lot of work done, plus it didn't help she had to compete with Barbara Carrera. :x
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