CR Soundtrack

heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
The soundtrack with the movie was amazing but unlike other bond soundtracks its boring to listen to without it being part of the movie.

Who else agrees?

Apart from the track Blunt Instrument, the Vesper ones and Bond...James Bond
1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

"Better make that two."

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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,078Chief of Staff
    Put me down as disagreeing. I'll have (a lot) more to say about this subject later, but with CR Arnold has composed his best Bond score since TND; the action cues rely less on techno beats and random orchestral hits and stings than DAD and (to a slightly lesser extent) TWINE did while his romantic pieces, here given more room for development, are the best he's come up with during his 007 tenure. As you say, the tracks related to Vesper are the highlights but there's plenty to enjoy here- my main gripe being the almost total lack of the Bond Theme, which was an artistic decision by Arnold and/or Campbell to fit in with the movie's tone.
  • SeanConnery007SeanConnery007 The Bond Archive - London, EngPosts: 169MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    my main gripe being the almost total lack of the Bond Theme, which was an artistic decision by Arnold and/or Campbell to fit in with the movie's tone.

    I agree almost entirely - except I find the 'limited' use of the Bond Theme one of the soundtracks graces.
    The use of Bond Theme 'cues' heightens my enjoyment of the soundtrack. The subtle cues just hint and tease through out which of course leads to the excellent final track that has a much greater impact because its not been completely over-used in 12 other previous tracks.
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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,998MI6 Agent
    edited January 2007
    The soundtrack with the movie was amazing but unlike other bond soundtracks its boring to listen to without it being part of the movie.

    Who else agrees?

    Apart from the track Blunt Instrument, the Vesper ones and Bond...James Bond

    Yeah I'd agree. Haven't listened to it since November, apart from the tracks you mention, perhaps 'Dinner Jackets' too as it's a very dull album to put on. Tuneless tension music... yawn. Not sure why he went so far down the anti-melodic route- when I saw it again recently I did wonder why he didn't just put a nearly full version of You Know My Name under the airport chase sequence. I'm not sure why that wouldn't have worked- there isn't a nice full version anywhere in the film; it pops up and then vanishes straight away.
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    emtiem wrote:
    Yeah I'd agree. Haven't listened to it since November, apart from the tracks you mention, perhaps 'Dinner Jackets' too as it's a very dull album to put on. Tuneless tension music... yawn. Not sure why he went so far down the anti-melodic route- when I saw it again recently I did wonder why he didn't just put a nearly full version of You Know My Name under the airport chase sequence. I'm not sure why that wouldn't have worked- there isn't a nice full version anywhere in the film; it pops up and then vanishes straight away.

    Very true, I still think its Arnolds best work, most cinematic, but yea its dull and unexciting compared to the others to listen as a soundtrack.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • Golrush007Golrush007 South AfricaPosts: 3,421Quartermasters
    I was very impressed when I got the soundtrack on its release last november. I have listened to it loads of times since then, and i really enjoy it. I agree that the lack of James Bond Theme put me off at first, but I do actually enjoy the score because of this rather than despite of it.l The usual 'safety net' for Arnold has been taken away and the result is a more thematically diverse score (mind you: I'm not an expert on film music, that's just how it sounds to me!). Also, the teasing pieces of the James Bond Theme scattered through the score are all the more effective because they stand out more.

    The only tracks that I find a little difficult to listen to are:
    -Miami International; twelve minutes of really ordinary action music, although interesting in places
    -The card game cues, while good do not make very good listening.

    But, the flip side is there are some very nice cues which I find make very good listening.
    - African Rundown - features the main theme extensively and I really like it. It shows that Arnold can produce good action music without the James Bond Theme. The african percussion gives it an interesting slant
    -Blunt Instrument - a good rendition of the main theme with the Bond theme mixed in.
    -Solange and Trip Aces - Solange had a very good theme written for her. Very beautiful theme, pity she didn't last that long
    -I'm The Money and Aston Montenegro - More very beautiful music. I love it!
    -Dinner Jackets, Vesper, City of Lovers and Death of Vesper - Vesper's theme is very good and works beautifully in these cues.
    -The Names is Bond, James Bond - a pure, undiluted version of the James Bond Theme - what a fantastic way to finish the soundtrack album.

    Well, in my opinion, even though you may need to skip through one or two section, I think CR soundtrack makes good listening. ;)
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    Golrush007 wrote:
    The only tracks that I find a little difficult to listen to are:
    -Miami International; twelve minutes of really ordinary action music, although interesting in places
    -The card game cues, while good do not make very good listening.

    But, the flip side is there are some very nice cues which I find make very good listening.
    - African Rundown - features the main theme extensively and I really like it. It shows that Arnold can produce good action music without the James Bond Theme. The african percussion gives it an interesting slant
    -Blunt Instrument - a good rendition of the main theme with the Bond theme mixed in.
    -Solange and Trip Aces - Solange had a very good theme written for her. Very beautiful theme, pity she didn't last that long
    -I'm The Money and Aston Montenegro - More very beautiful music. I love it!
    -Dinner Jackets, Vesper, City of Lovers and Death of Vesper - Vesper's theme is very good and works beautifully in these cues.
    -The Names is Bond, James Bond - a pure, undiluted version of the James Bond Theme - what a fantastic way to finish the soundtrack album.

    Well, in my opinion, even though you may need to skip through one or two section, I think CR soundtrack makes good listening. ;)

    Yea very true, as I was saying tracks like Miami International and the card game cues including Dirty Martini work extremly well in the movie, but less well listinging to it alone.

    Its similar to Parahawks track on TWINE.
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,078Chief of Staff
    Golrush007 wrote:
    The only tracks that I find a little difficult to listen to are:
    -Miami International; twelve minutes of really ordinary action music, although interesting in places
    -The card game cues, while good do not make very good listening. ;)

    "Miami International" is one of the tracks which could have benefited from use of the Theme. Such a long piece, while effective in the film itself, has difficulties standing alone sans the visual element and some familiar riffs would have kept the interest level from flagging (without denying the impact of keeping the Theme proper till the end of the movie). Still, at least it holds together more cohesively (and with less drums!) than its counterparts "Antonov" and "Submarine".

    The card game cues have the most difficult musical job in the score. A card game is not the most cinematic of scenes to film, and the composer is perhaps the directors most significant collaborator is creating tension, underlining drama, and raising the emotional atmosphere of an essentially static tableau without obtrusively impinging upon it- and there are other ways of doing that than merely by raising the volume or dynamics, as many do to raise false fears. Arnold, with the symbiotically copasetic support of Nicholas Dodds, expertly succeeds in walking the tightrope during these cues without over-reliance on established themes.
  • heartbroken_mr_draxheartbroken_mr_drax New Zealand Posts: 2,073MI6 Agent
    Good post {[]
    1. TWINE 2. FYEO 3. MR 4. TLD 5. TSWLM 6. OHMSS 7. DN 8. OP 9. AVTAK 10. TMWTGG 11. QoS 12. GE 13. CR 14. TB 15. FRWL 16. TND 17. LTK 18. GF 19. SF 20. LaLD 21. YOLT 22. NTTD 23. DAD 24. DAF. 25. SP

    "Better make that two."
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 38,078Chief of Staff
    Good post {[]

    Thanks, hmd, and especially thank you since you're the one who started this thread. Maybe I should have put a "###POSEUR WARNING###- Contains phrases such as "Symbiotically Copasetic"!" :))
  • De BleuchampDe Bleuchamp Posts: 59MI6 Agent
    I buy every Bond film soundtrack when they come out, so I'm a big John Barry fan.
    This Casino Royale music is the best that David Arnold has done. Mostly because there are slower scenes so the music can use flutes and harp, and then for the action there are trumpets and horns.
    I skip through the tracks I like best. Numbers
    1,5,6,7,9,12,14,18,20,21,24,25. I have the basic CD. 6-Solange,9-Train-Montenegro,14-Vesper,18-crashing the Aston (heavy drums)20-Venice etc.
    Play it on the car CD every other day.

    De Bleuchamp.:)
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