Broccoli without Saltzman

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,792MI6 Agent
    Only my opinion but the series owes Cubby a lot -{ his drive to keep
    It going, to spend the money when needed, and to keep It going when
    Others would have simply sold up. Thank you Cubby from this Bond fan :x
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  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    Bond was always better with the two of them than with Broccoli alone.

    I agree, and if I had to choose one it would be Satzman.
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,861Chief of Staff
    Only my opinion but the series owes Cubby a lot -{ his drive to keep
    It going, to spend the money when needed, and to keep It going when
    Others would have simply sold up. Thank you Cubby from this Bond fan :x

    +1.
  • PPK 7.65mmPPK 7.65mm Saratoga Springs NY USAPosts: 1,253MI6 Agent
    @ TP , yes Cubby Broccoli did produce the film The Trials Of Oscar Wilde (1960). I have heard that due to the subject matter of the film, it was a difficult film to release but it get strong reviews from the American press. As for Cubby producing the Bond films solo, I agree with you. His past experience really helped him out greatly.
  • superadosuperado Regent's Park West (CaliforniaPosts: 2,656MI6 Agent
    Barbel wrote:
    Only my opinion but the series owes Cubby a lot -{ his drive to keep
    It going, to spend the money when needed, and to keep It going when
    Others would have simply sold up. Thank you Cubby from this Bond fan :x

    +1.

    With Harry selling his shares to UA, with which the partners' association had similarly been a love-hate relationship, was very bothersome to Cubby as we know. It might have been seen as the last knife in the back, or there's the smaller likelihood that it was entirely "just" business. I mean, of all the people for Harry to sell his shares to... Their partnership ended as something really ugly, unfortunately.
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  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,861Chief of Staff
    Sad, but true. One silver lining to this cloud was that Cubby brought in MGW to more or less replace Harry and eventually succeed him. He (and Dana, of course) may have had plans to do so at some point, but Harry's departure brought it forward.
  • Gassy ManGassy Man USAPosts: 2,972MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    Gassy Man wrote:
    Bond was always better with the two of them than with Broccoli alone.

    I agree, and if I had to choose one it would be Satzman.
    They tempered each other. When Saltzman left, the series lost a lot of its color and imagination. The only two films under Broccoli's stewardship that had some of that were the two virtual remakes of You Only Live Twice -- The Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker.
  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 37,861Chief of Staff
    I'd put that down to the decreasing amount of Fleming in the films rather than the lack of Saltzman. The voodoo elements of LALD were basically from Fleming, for example.
  • jamesm123jamesm123 LondonPosts: 184MI6 Agent
    Gassy Man wrote:
    zaphod99 wrote:
    Gassy Man wrote:
    Bond was always better with the two of them than with Broccoli alone.

    I agree, and if I had to choose one it would be Satzman.
    They tempered each other. When Saltzman left, the series lost a lot of its color and imagination. The only two films under Broccoli's stewardship that had some of that were the two virtual remakes of You Only Live Twice -- The Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker.

    I'd love to see a faithful adaptation of the Moonraker novel. But I fear it would work only as a period piece.
  • zaphod99zaphod99 Posts: 1,415MI6 Agent
    jamesm123 wrote:
    Gassy Man wrote:
    zaphod99 wrote:

    I agree, and if I had to choose one it would be Satzman.
    They tempered each other. When Saltzman left, the series lost a lot of its color and imagination. The only two films under Broccoli's stewardship that had some of that were the two virtual remakes of You Only Live Twice -- The Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker.

    I'd love to see a faithful adaptation of the Moonraker novel. But I fear it would work only as a period piece.

    I think that you are right, but I would love to see it as a period piece. For me it's probably my favourite of the novels so a faithfull version would be great.
    Of that of which we cannot speak we must pass over in silence- Ludwig Wittgenstein.
  • IanFryerIanFryer Posts: 327MI6 Agent
    jamesm123 wrote:
    Gassy Man wrote:
    zaphod99 wrote:

    I agree, and if I had to choose one it would be Satzman.
    They tempered each other. When Saltzman left, the series lost a lot of its color and imagination. The only two films under Broccoli's stewardship that had some of that were the two virtual remakes of You Only Live Twice -- The Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker.

    I'd love to see a faithful adaptation of the Moonraker novel. But I fear it would work only as a period piece.

    I think it might work in a present day setting, and indeed just such a notion was Purvis and Wade's starting point for Die Another Day, which was sadly changed almost beyond recognition. I think too many of the book's plot elements have now been used in other films:


    National Hero industrialist is really an enemy in disguise: Die Another Day

    A huge defence initiative is really a plot to destroy Britain: Spectre

    Bond has to escape from under a rocket before it takes off: About the only element of Moonraker that remained in the 1979 film, and even then it was a bit of a throwaway.

    Are there other bits of Moonraker that have been used?
  • walther p99walther p99 NJPosts: 3,416MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    jamesm123 wrote:
    Gassy Man wrote:
    They tempered each other. When Saltzman left, the series lost a lot of its color and imagination. The only two films under Broccoli's stewardship that had some of that were the two virtual remakes of You Only Live Twice -- The Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker.

    I'd love to see a faithful adaptation of the Moonraker novel. But I fear it would work only as a period piece.

    I think that you are right, but I would love to see it as a period piece. For me it's probably my favourite of the novels so a faithfull version would be great.
    It's my favorite of the Bond novels as well. I cant imagine they would make a Bond film that's primarily set in England now though.
  • Matt SMatt S Oh Cult Voodoo ShopPosts: 6,610MI6 Agent
    zaphod99 wrote:
    jamesm123 wrote:

    I'd love to see a faithful adaptation of the Moonraker novel. But I fear it would work only as a period piece.

    I think that you are right, but I would love to see it as a period piece. For me it's probably my favourite of the novels so a faithfull version would be great.
    It's my favorite of the Bond novels as well. I cant imagine they would make a Bond film that's primarily set in England now though.

    They might do it again for the same reason they set so much of Skyfall in the UK: to save money!
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  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 4,108MI6 Agent
    jamesm123 wrote:
    I'd love to see a faithful adaptation of the Moonraker novel. But I fear it would work only as a period piece.
    IanFryer wrote:
    I think it might work in a present day setting, and indeed just such a notion was Purvis and Wade's starting point for Die Another Day, which was sadly changed almost beyond recognition. I think too many of the book's plot elements have now been used in other films:

    National Hero industrialist is really an enemy in disguise: Die Another Day

    A huge defence initiative is really a plot to destroy Britain: Spectre

    Bond has to escape from under a rocket before it takes off: About the only element of Moonraker that remained in the 1979 film, and even then it was a bit of a throwaway.

    Are there other bits of Moonraker that have been used?
    "Spend the money quickly Mr Bond ", spoken by Kamal Khan in Octopussy,
    "I should spend the money quickly, Commander Bond," is the last thing Drax says after the bridge game in Fleming's Moonraker

    Bond and Gala reset the missile's gyros to their original target in the book, which just happens to be the course Drax's sub is following across the English Channel
    in The Spy Who Loved Me, Bond sends the two submarines new coordinates for their missile launches, each one being the location of the other sub

    "National Hero industrialist is really an enemy in disguise" also describes the last half of Diamonds Are Forever, except Whyte and Blofeld are two different people. Theres even extended scenes in Whytes industrial facilities where he is building sattelites, moonbuggies, and other equipment for the space program.

    one other element of the book Moonraker that is used in the film:
    Holly Goodhead basically is Gala Brand, except she works for the CIA not Scotland Yard and is not engaged to be married. Her role within Drax's operation, her lack of suspicion so far of Drax's evil scheme, her competence as a scientist and a spy, and her rivalry with Bond are all very close to Gala Brand, much moreso than Miranda Frost.
    On the other hand, movieDrax is nothing like bookDrax.


    Fleming's Moonraker is spread across even more films than Live and Let Die!
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