The Living Daylights

I'm continuing to make my way through all the Bond films for the first time. The Living Daylights is the latest one I've watched. Well, attempted to watch. I made it through about 3/4 of the film but I honestly was bored to tears.

First complaint: I loved Connery as Bond, liked Moore as Bond but I can't stand Dalton as Bond. No offense to those that like him.....he just didn't come close to being good enough to be James Bond to me. His acting was decent but he didn't have the charm that the previous actors had.

Second Complaint: The actors in this movie were terrible. Ms. Moneypenny was awful. Brad Whitaker was almost unwatchable. Kara Milovy was not a good leading lady. General Koskov is the worst villian I've seen yet.

Third: The plot was stupid. I would elaborate but I think that covers it.


I don't remember much about Pierce Brosnan as Bond (I'd seen bits and pieces of Bond films before I started at the beginning and watched them all) but I hope he's better than Dalton.

I don't look forward to LTK at all.
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  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    edited March 2007
    Well...I enjoyed it more than you did, alabamabondfan; to me it was a step in the right direction---away from where they'd been for far too long (only MHO)---but the script lacks focus and balance, and to me Dalton was obviously uneasy with the more humourous aspects of the character. CR, ironically enough, would have been much better suited to Dalton's strengths.

    I sympathize with those who were disappointed with Timothy Dalton, but he did make things easier for Brozzer, I think...

    I look forward to to your review of LTK with a mixture of interest and dread :))
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  • alabamabondfanalabamabondfan Posts: 23MI6 Agent
    Well, I agree with you that it was a step in the right direction as far as getting away from the campy, almost making fun of it self style that the last few Moore films had. I'm sure if Dalton had been the first Bond I'd like him much better but he just falls short in comparison to Connery/Moore.

    Hopefully, LTK is much better.

    Thanks for the response.
  • Harry PalmerHarry Palmer Somewhere in the past ...Posts: 325MI6 Agent
    I agree with Loeff. A very important entry that saved the series from its own excesses. True, it suffers from lack of focus. But for me the first 2 acts (pre-Afghanistan) are close to perfection.

    I love the cold-war setting and Dalton's intensity when confronting Pushkin in the hotel room (or after Saunder's death).
    True, Moneypenny was very bad and Whittaker a disappointing villain. But despite these imperfections it's a Bond film I can take seriously, and still enjoy over and over again.
    1. Cr, 2. Ltk, 3. Tld, 4. Qs, 5. Ohmss, 6. Twine, 7. Tnd, 8. Tswlm, 9. Frwl, 10. Tb, 11. Ge, 12. Gf, 13. Dn, 14. Mr, 15. Op, 16. Yolt, 17. Sf, 18. Daf, 19. Avtak, 20. Sp, 21. Fyeo, 22. Dad, 23. Lald, 24. Tmwtgg
  • SteedSteed Posts: 134MI6 Agent
    It did indeed rein in the more comedic excesses of the Moore era, to an extent, yes. However, some of it creeps in, imo- the 'magic carpet' ending was rejected quite rightly, but I also think the 'freedom fighters' subplot is out of place in a 'back to basics' KGB plot and makes me wonder whether certain elements of this were shoehorned in from an unused Moore script...I'm probably wrong, but there you go.;)

    It is flawed in other areas. The villains are indeed less over the top than most of the Bond films, but this is a double edged sword. I feel all of them are rather bland and don't stand out. Necros comes closest but he's an obvious 'Red Grant' clone to such an extent (imho) the character is weakened.

    Yet, it remains a pretty good entry, imho. Some fine action sequences, Dalton does a fine job and Kara Milovy is a far better Bond girl than Stacey Sutton in the previous film. I prefer Licence To Kill overall, but this ranks at a solid 3.5 stars to me.
  • bluemanblueman PDXPosts: 1,667MI6 Agent
    Eh, you didn't miss much, not watching it to the end.

    I'd argue that after Moore left, ANY new Bond film/actor would've been more serious, just the only place to go with the series, so no bonus points for that at all. And, as it was handled so atrociously...just bleck. Dalton deserved better.

    IMO, the Brosnan years suffered because of the dreadful 80s Bond films, just took some time to get all that amateurish Glen crap out of Bond's system. Good luck with LTK.
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    The only good thing that I can say about TLD is that it was better (only slightly) than AVTAK. ;)
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    I love the TLD, but it does have its flaws. It definitely runs out of steam towards the end and the final confrontation with Whittaker is a let-down. Joe Don Baker is bloody awful and deserves a far more gruesome death: eaten by sharks perhaps? No, too quick. Gnawed to death by a psychotic beaver would be slower and therefore better. However, I think the Czech part of the movie is great. For me this part of the movie is as good as a Bond movie can get. The sequence where Kara finds Bond in her apartment and 007 wins her trust is one my favourite scenes in any Bond film. And I can't believe some people don't fancy Maryam D'Abo. Okay she kind of looks like a duck, but that's better than looking like a walrus.
  • Harry PalmerHarry Palmer Somewhere in the past ...Posts: 325MI6 Agent
    Agree with John Drake 100%. Everything about Whittaker was disappointing including his death. I would only object that I would have preferred Whittaker to die with a pistol shot between the eyes rather than something slow and long-drawn. A clean no-nonesense death, fit for the type of Bond Dalton was trying to portray.

    The gadgets on the Aston Martin were indeed unnecessary, and the chase could have been exciting without being silly.

    THe cold-war angle of the movie (especially the part set in Bratislava) was perfect, and indeed my favourite plot-sequence in the whole series. Great PTS.

    Afghanistan was a bit of a let-down; but third acts are often less good than beginnings and middle-parts in Bond (the few exceptions I can think of are FYEO and FRWL).

    Anyway, though it is only second in my list of favourites (because of its flaws), TLD is the Bond film I enjoy watching the most, and the one for which I am willing to suspend all critical judgement.

    And incidentally (I don't know whether this is relevant) my wife is a cellist.


    John Drake wrote:
    I love the TLD, but it does have its flaws. It definitely runs out of steam towards the end and the final confrontation with Whittaker is a let-down. Joe Don Baker is bloody awful and deserves a far more gruesome death: eaten by sharks perhaps? No, too quick. Gnawed to death by a psychotic beaver would be slower and therefore better. However, I think the Czech part of the movie is great. For me this part of the movie is as good as a Bond movie can get. The sequence where Kara finds Bond in her apartment and 007 wins her trust is one my favourite scenes in any Bond film. And I can't believe some people don't fancy Maryam D'Abo. Okay she kind of looks like a duck, but that's better than looking like a walrus.
    1. Cr, 2. Ltk, 3. Tld, 4. Qs, 5. Ohmss, 6. Twine, 7. Tnd, 8. Tswlm, 9. Frwl, 10. Tb, 11. Ge, 12. Gf, 13. Dn, 14. Mr, 15. Op, 16. Yolt, 17. Sf, 18. Daf, 19. Avtak, 20. Sp, 21. Fyeo, 22. Dad, 23. Lald, 24. Tmwtgg
  • AlexAlex The Eastern SeaboardPosts: 2,694MI6 Agent
    edited March 2007
    A solid entry. Dalton is a gifted and intense actor. I can understand opinion of him being unsuitable for the role due to his slighter build then the three previous, but I respect and admire what he brought to the table in terms of sharp and deadly precision. The scenes with Pushkin, and Bond gaining Kara's trust are particularly strong favourites of mine.

    PTS is one of the finest in the series.

    The few regrets, well, on a light hearted note, and yes, this is petty and superficial, I hate the Necros Walkman.
  • Neville JamesNeville James Posts: 29MI6 Agent
    I agree with Harry, for the first 50 minutes this is a 'top 3 Bond film ever'. I went to the cinema to see this 20 years ago and thought they had made a masterpiece. Then the Afghanistan stuff happened... the film runs out of steam here. Yes... considerably.
    Seems sad we are now at war in real life with those we allied in the 80's movies, TLD, Rambo 3, etc.
  • taitytaity Posts: 702MI6 Agent
    I never liked how weak Whitaker was. After seeing Mr White in CR, I wish his character had been more like his with limited screen time and no real importance. Or Blofeld in FRWL/TB. A catalyst to the story, not the key component.

    That said, I really like TLD. It's funny seeing Dalton doing comedy in the Bonds, as his comedy timing is actually pretty good nowadays.

    While TLD could have been improved, it isnt as if its AVTAK or DAF
  • Napoleon Han SoloNapoleon Han Solo Posts: 78MI6 Agent
    Fish1941 wrote:
    TLD is one of my favorite Bond movies. The only problem I had with this film was the presence of the gadget-laden Aston-Martin. They could have done the chase from Bratislava to the Austrian border without the gadgets.

    Although the villains were not over-the-top, I agree that Brad Whittaker was not the strongest villain. But I do admire his attempt to kill Bond right away, instead of screwing around. Jeroen Krabbe, on the other hand, was fabulous. And to be honest, he's the type of villain I would never want to meet.

    I couldn't agree more, this is all basically my opinion, the gadgets shouldnt have been in Dalton movies. Whoever it was that said he should have been given the CR treatment is right. However, I still find TLD quite decent. I certainly don't go in expecting a Moore Bond, I love those for entirely different reasons.

    I actually like the confrontation with Joe Don Baker, it has a nice surreality with all the war relics. Dalton's films are not perfect but I firmly believe he was the closest to the Bond in the novels. Oh, and I also like Jeroen Krabbe very much.
  • arthur pringlearthur pringle SpacePosts: 366MI6 Agent
    I read a review of The Living Daylights DVD recently which stated that, as an in-joke, the two OO Agents who parachute into Gibraltar with 007 were chosen for their likeness to Roger Moore and George Lazenby. I must have watched TLD dozens of times and I've never noticed this. The dark-haired agent who has his climbing rope cut has a slightly generic Bondish look. The bloke who lands in a tree has always seemed a bit camp to me and looks nothing like Roger Moore.
  • bluemanblueman PDXPosts: 1,667MI6 Agent
    edited March 2007
    Not sure why the PTS gets such love: the setup is lame, what's that M-type character doing in the back of a training mission jet when he should be behind a cosy desk somewhere? Makes no sense whatsoever, even by Bondian standards. And, it's a training mission...more lame. Why is that location even a target for the bad guy anyway (was there some silly reason given?...I can't even recall)? I hate when obvious questions like these pop up before the credits start to roll, just some sloppy writing. The jeep fight is good, I'll give it that, but find one of two dozen other ways to get Bond and the bad guy into it, please. And the bored bimbo on the yacht, Bond dropping in on her...that came off as crass, cheesy and awkward, not at all like Connery in the classic 60s PTS. And Dalton's grin, OMG, he looks like the biggest goober sitting there, like he's some computer nerd who hit the jackpot. Just not Bond, not at all. IMO.

    The film went downhill from there.
  • arthur pringlearthur pringle SpacePosts: 366MI6 Agent
    blueman wrote:
    Not sure why the PTS gets such love: the setup is lame, what's that M-type character doing in the back of a training mission jet when he should be behind a cosy desk somewhere? Makes no sense whatsoever, even by Bondian standards. And, it's a training mission...more lame. Why is that location even a target for the bad guy anyway (was there some silly reason given?...I can't even recall)? I hate when obvious questions like these pop up before the credits start to roll, just some sloppy writing. The jeep fight is good, I'll give it that, but find one of two dozen other ways to get Bond and the bad guy into it, please. And the bored bimbo on the yacht, Bond dropping in on her...that came off as crass, cheesy and awkward, not at all like Connery in the classic 60s PTS. And Dalton's grin, OMG, he looks like the biggest goober sitting there, like he's some computer nerd who hit the jackpot. Just not Bond, not at all. IMO.

    The film went downhill from there.


    Off the top of my head, the main twist in TLD is that Koskov wants the British to kill Pushkin so therefore the exercise on Gibraltar seems like as good a place as any to plant the death to spies red-herring. I remember watching TLD on video for the first time when it came out and when the OO agent falls to his death and we cut to Timothy Dalton I immediately accepted him as James Bond. I suppose that is part of the fun of a forum, all the different perceptions of everything!
  • bluemanblueman PDXPosts: 1,667MI6 Agent
    I accepted Dalton as Bond with that first full shot of him, absolutely, it's the stuff before and after that lessened the verisimilitude for me.
  • Son Of BarbelSon Of Barbel Posts: 227MI6 Agent
    TLD is my favorite bond film for lots of reasons.

    1) Tim is a great Bond in much the same or maybe even a slightly higher league than Sean (don't kill me). He is great doing a serious Bond and though alot of people would disagree he is ok with the jokes. As much as I like Roger and Sean which I do Tim IMO is slightly better.

    2) The villain is a mystery at the start and as the short story only goes to Bond shooting the girl it is quite hard to guess Koskov is the baddie. Where as in FYEO it is obvious.

    3) The plot is great and I like the M not as much as Bernard Lee but he is good.

    4) And last but not least the score along with The main song, Where Has Everybody Gone and If There Was A Man is terrific.

    And as rubbish as the Moneypenny and the villains are they can't bring down a great film.
  • James F EJames F E Posts: 140MI6 Agent
    Dalton does play a very good Bond..the pTS is fantastic...the bird on the boat is drop dead sexy..the Necros fight at the safe house, fantastic...& the cargo net fight and stunts were really thrilling. Not as good as LTK, but still better than most of Moore's & Bronson's outings.-{
  • Harry PalmerHarry Palmer Somewhere in the past ...Posts: 325MI6 Agent
    TLD is my favorite bond film for lots of reasons.

    1) Tim is a great Bond in much the same or maybe even a slightly higher league than Sean (don't kill me). He is great doing a serious Bond and though alot of people would disagree he is ok with the jokes. As much as I like Roger and Sean which I do Tim IMO is slightly better.

    2) The villain is a mystery at the start and as the short story only goes to Bond shooting the girl it is quite hard to guess Koskov is the baddie. Where as in FYEO it is obvious.

    3) The plot is great and I like the M not as much as Bernard Lee but he is good.

    4) And last but not least the score along with The main song, Where Has Everybody Gone and If There Was A Man is terrific.

    And as rubbish as the Moneypenny and the villains are they can't bring down a great film.

    Agree with 99% of what you say. I just lack the audacity to say that Tim was in a higher league than Sean. Otherwise, I'm tempted to repeat pretty much everything verbatim.

    For me the PTS is by far the best of the series. I also thought Dalton was pretty good at humour but not so good at one-liners. It's the moment he takes a break from his otherwise intense acting to wink half-heartedly at the audience and deliver a cheesy line that rubs me the wrong way.
    The score is indeed beautiful, and the cold-war setting perfect. The film is not without flaws but all in all the first two acts qualify as possibly the best Bond I've seen.
    1. Cr, 2. Ltk, 3. Tld, 4. Qs, 5. Ohmss, 6. Twine, 7. Tnd, 8. Tswlm, 9. Frwl, 10. Tb, 11. Ge, 12. Gf, 13. Dn, 14. Mr, 15. Op, 16. Yolt, 17. Sf, 18. Daf, 19. Avtak, 20. Sp, 21. Fyeo, 22. Dad, 23. Lald, 24. Tmwtgg
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
    I find The Living Daylights dull. I just could never get into it. There are some good points about it though...

    Good Points:

    1 - The action is really good, and there are some great sequences in there, particulaly Bond and Necros fighting on that net hanging from the plane.

    2 - One of the best pre-titles sequences ever.

    3 - Necros was a great henchman, and the explosive milkbottles were cool.

    4 - Locations were nice. I liked the fairground type scene.

    However, many bad points also...

    Bad Points:

    1 - To me, the film just dragged on. I didn't really like the way it flowed. Felt like falling asleep at times.

    2 - Dalton not the best Bond IMO, but then again he's still good (and I love LTK).

    3 - Plot way too confusing. Most confusing one ever IMO, and it still confuses me to this day.

    4 - Nothing memorable about the film in general. All the other films (except for FRWL) have lots of memorable things about them. But this one, nothing really sticks out for me. When I have to think back to TLD, I just have a mental memory blank.

    5 - Weakest villains ever. Although Necros was excellent, Brad Whitaker and Koskov weren't. Brad doesn't hardly do anything except sit on his fat arse. And Koskov is a puney little wimpy coward that is an embarassment to the Bond villains as a whole.

    6 - Unmemorable allies. Kamran Shah (is that his name) was pretty unoriginal, and Kara Milovy would be completely unforgettable if it wasn't for that Cello.

    Overall, certainly not my favourite Bond entry. But certainly not the worst either. Watchable, but forgettable. 6.5/10
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • TOOTSTOOTS Posts: 114MI6 Agent
    edited May 2007
    My thruppence worth on this film.

    A Quiet Revolution
    When The Living Daylights was released, a quiet revolution happened in the world of James Bond. All of a sudden, what opened up in film Bond were possibilities. A Bond film no longer had to be a circus or a pantomime but could attempt to return to its roots – that of the contemporary, Hitchcock-ian, romantic, intelligent, international, mystery, thriller.

    A story murky with recent Iran-Contra-gate topicality, this 15th Eon Bond film was a character-led tale of intrigue that was difficult to summarize for the press. Said press were already antagonized by a new leading man who kept an air of mystery about his personal life. In order to fully appreciate what Timothy Dalton brought to 007, one would have to have been a James Bond fan before he was cast. The long and successful reign of Roger Moore was an achievement in itself but the Press had been rather spoilt by 14 years of media-friendly frolics. Dalton’s distance did not endear him to them. Their view was, “It’s only a Bond film, lighten up.”

    However, for the first time, the actor playing Bond had read all 14 Fleming Bond books, researched and knew about Fleming (allegedly keeping a copy of John Pearson’s Fleming biography on his bedside table) and had a keen sense of what he wanted to achieve: something different yet classic.

    The Dalton Effect
    Upon his announcement as Bond on 6th August 1986, Dalton was a relatively unknown, leading man/working actor. However, this became an important aspect to the thrill of his debut. This lack of knowledge about the actor made his Bond unpredictable. On first viewing, the PTS and the defection in Bratislava were dangerous, involving and atmospheric. When trailing Kara and meeting in her flat, Bond was intense - his careful phrasing making their conversation a chess game of circumstance. When Bond interrogates Pushkin, it is tough and ruthless and even Rubavitch (sic?) is not spared. When Bond is beaten in the Afghan jail, there’s no pithy comeback. Just when one thought a one-liner was coming, it didn’t. To an audience weaned on 14 years of suaveness, this was a revelation. Out of context now, these grace notes are lost.

    In TLD, few scenes are written to showcase character. Character is revealed through the plot. Dalton presents Bond as a reluctant yet ruthless romantic protagonist. A man of action and energy, living on the edge, Dalton is in the centre, running, jumping, fighting and shooting with conviction. He details his performance with nuggets of information and emotion:

    a) cigarette smoke escaping on hearing Koskov’s report of Smiert Spionam – hot air,
    b ) rigid and economical movement in the pipeline scouring pig launch bay,
    c) martial bearing in M’s office,
    d) the regrasping of the Walther grip in the Pushkin interrogation,
    e) drinking whisky with Leiter,
    f) his protectiveness of Kara in Afghanistan,
    g) frustration in the Hercules as he tries to communicate with Kara,
    h) frantic grip on the Hercules controls to evade oncoming, landing plane.

    Dalton’s performance conveys the effort of survival, the pain of being hit, the exhilaration of escape, and the spoils of seduction.

    He went back to the humanity of the man from the novels and injected as much of the man as the script would allow. In M’s office, a cut scene containing a brief rumination on accidie allowed Dalton to inject some overt world-weariness into his Bond. Dalton had wisely asked for one-liners to be removed and his Bond is a taciturn intelligence operative. Marketed as "The Most Dangerous Bond...Ever", Dalton’s lupine looks and careful publicity heralded a finely wrought, unsurpassed approach to the characterization of Ian Fleming’s James Bond.

    The Dalton Defence
    The film is not without humour but it is a different sort of humour to that of previous Bonds, especially the Roger Moore era. In TLD, there is little outright comedy. This has been replaced by comic relief. Brief relief, perfectly in keeping with the darker, moodier, thriller tone. One doesn’t laugh, one smiles:

    1) The gag of landing on the boat in the PTS.
    2) Bond: “Why me?” Saunders: “He’s under the impression you’re the best.”
    3) Koskov’s overdone embrace of Bond.
    4) “Section 25 paragraph 6, I’m sure you understand.”
    5) "You're the first..."
    6) The classic “Why didn’t you learn to play the violin” jump cut.
    7) “Salt corrosion”
    8) "We've nothing to declare" "Except a cello-lo-lo-lo..."
    9) The exasperated fair ground worker’s “No more” after Bond’s sharp shooting bags yet another prize.
    10) “Kara, we’re in the middle of a Russian airbase…”
    11) “Are you calling me a horse’s [censored]?”

    All these moments emanate from the humanity of Bond and give TLD a gentler tone, complementing the harder edge to the character and the deeper romance. However, after 14 years a broader, more predictable, pantomime humour was expected. When this surfaced in the film occasionally, it highlighted Dalton’s weakness for flippancy e.g. “Amazing this modern safety glass". The script’s major weakness was a lack of well-written, witty humour. Dalton is adept at playing darkly humorous characters (Framed, The Rocketeer) but he is seemingly not a natural improviser and cannot conjure what is not on the page. The new, subtler approach was lost on some audiences.

    However, Timothy Dalton was simply too good an actor and presence for the story and dialogue and general direction of the film. A more linear, more direct storyline would have showcased his particular talents for capturing the spirit and essence of the character of James Bond found in the writing of Ian Fleming. His interpretation of Bond will endure and be discovered by those audiences and fans in time. Timothy Dalton was arguably the best James Bond in the entire series.

    The Complex Caper
    Richard Maibaum and Michael G Wilson have placed at the heart of TLD a complex caper. American Brad Whitaker is league with Soviet General Georgi Koskov. Koskov is ostensibly using funds procured to buy hi-tech arms from Whitaker for use against the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan to secure the Soviet presence there.

    Their plan is this:
    1) A down payment of $50 million of Soviet funds is made in secret accounts to Whitaker. The money is meant to be used to purchase hi-tech arms…
    2) …but Whitaker uses these funds to purchase diamonds instead which are then smuggled to Afghanistan.
    3) The diamonds are used as currency to buy raw opium from unscrupulous Afghan drug Lords of the Snow Leopard Brotherhood.
    4) This opium is then to be quickly processed into heroin and sold in the West, converting $50 million of Soviet funds to $500 million in drug profits.
    5) Part of the profit from the sale of drugs is used to buy the arms for the Soviets pursuant to the original deal.
    6) The rest of the profit is shared between Koskov and Whitaker and to fund revolutionaries led by Necros, their chameleon-like junior partner.

    We are led to believe that Whitaker and Koskov have done this before, but presumably on a smaller scale. Whitaker and Koskov obviously have course of dealings, Whitaker having bought Koskov’s girlfriend, innocent cellist, Kara Milovy, a Stradivarius cello, The Lady Rose.

    This big sting is obviously bad news for the West (a huge influx of heroin) and the USSR (leading to a Soviet Irangate of their own). Such an action could destabilize the superpowers drastically.

    Enter Bond
    Now, there is a fly in the ointment. Leonid Pushkin, new head of the KGB is suspicious of Koskov and Whitaker and has started to investigate them. Pushkin has to be stopped.

    a) Resurrecting Smiert Spionam , “Death To Spies”, an old Beria assassination programme, Koskov uses his KGB contacts (was Necros on annual leave?) to infiltrate an SIS training exercise in Gibraltar, causing mayhem, killing 004 (and eventually Saunders and others) thus announcing the programme to SIS and embroiling 007.
    b ) The validity and presence of Smiert Spionam has to be made known to the British and in particular their Double-0 Section. Koskov knows James Bond 007 by reputation and specifically requests him to assist in his defection, knowing Bond takes his work seriously…..
    c) …..that work being the use of his licence to kill. Koskov sets up his girlfriend, Kara Milovy as the KGB counter-defection assassin to be killed by Bond. Milovy has become excess baggage and can link Whitaker and Koskov and their plans. Her presence will add validity to Koskov’s fake defection and her death, at the hand of 007, will tie off loose ends for Koskov.
    d) Once Bond has killed Kara, Koskov will brief SIS about Smiert Spionam to persuade them to ensure that Pushkin be “put away”.
    e) Koskov will be snatched back (seemingly by the Soviets), adding weight to the imperative to SIS to kill Pushkin.
    f) Bond will be licensed to kill Pushkin, and in doing so, thereby stopping Smiert Spionam and conveniently, Pushkin’s investigation into 1-6) above.
    g) Upon his return to the Soviet fold, Koskov’s defection can be explained as a misinformation initiative of Pushkin’s (who, alas, will no longer be around to verify this).
    h) With no Soviet investigation pending, Koskov and Whitaker can continue, unfettered, with 1-6) above.

    If only Bond had followed orders, not instincts! Deciding in a split second not to kill Koskov’s defection-preventing assassin when he targets her, Bond unwittingly unravels Koskov’s precariously calculated plan. 007 shoots Kara’s gun from her hand in an effort to “scare the living daylights [and break her assassination nerve]”. In the Fleming short story, the twist is that a beautiful cellist can also be a trained assassin ("The Trigger")and the subtext of the title is the psychological scar of her near death will stop her being useful as a killer. Unfortunately, both aspects are lost in the film and the title becomes a non-sequitur. However, it is wonderful to have the Fleming story essentially in place and also the reference to Smiert Spionam (SMERSH from the novels although unmentioned here). Remember, Fleming's half-sister, Amaryllis was a famous concert cellist!

    Different Daylights
    The fact is that too many characters carry too complex a plot with not enough time devoted to their motivations and the effect of their actions. Like all wise-after-the-event reviews, I suggest the following changes:

    1) Defer the Blayden Hall snatch back of Koskov. Instead devote time to Koskov’s persuasion and convincing of SIS that Pushkin has to be taken out as intercut with 2 and 3 below.
    2) Cut to Whitaker’s Tangier base where we seem him in huge war chamber eavesdropping on CIA/KGB reaction to escalating spy war (Necros either onscreen or implicitly taking out spies).
    3) Cut to a global briefing to the NATO agents intercut with the same scene in the Soviet Union (in unsubtitled Russian) would have been an economically visual storytelling device. The machinations are given context displaying the way Smiert Spionam was affecting the intelligence apparatus, heightening the tension Koskov spoke of.
    5) Koskov disappears while under Bond’s protection. Bond should have had the fight in the kitchen, knocking out one of Necros’s helpers. When Bond declines to kill Pushkin, M throws this failure in his face. Plus Bond is at the centre of the best fight in the film.
    6) The reveal that Koskov is in league with Whitaker must be a dramatic moment.
    7) Koskov and Whitaker extolling their plan to raise funds in Afganistan to fund Necros’ wars of revolution in said huge war chamber in the villa with maps and tin soldiers in Africa, Asia and South America (providing a more dramatic setting for the eerie shoot out at the finale). If there's one Bond villain who needed his own private army, Whitaker was the man. These guards should be swarming all over the villa, to be taken out by Bond at the end. These wars will be Whitaker’s wars, where he will finally play general with real soldiers and then be a powerful man in those spheres of influence. The money raised is the means to this global threat. This would streamline the need for introducing new elements later (the diamonds, the raw opium would be understood and have context) and could shorten the running time of this already overlong film. Admittedly, some of the mystery element would be lost but Koskov’s duplicity would provide the intrigue.


    If There Was A Girl
    The love story between Bond and Kara is believable and well developed in the film. It is essential to the story that Bond uses Kara to trace Koskov, having initially been set up to kill her. In the process, his heart approaches what it yearns; Bond’s humanity gets the better of him and he falls for her. However, when she is manipulated by Koskov, his only chip left is the fact that he did not kill her. This sequence in Tangier is powerful although after Bond’s confession, Kara’s functionality in the script is effectively over. Her character becomes comic in Afganistan. Perhaps the revelation should have come at a pivotal moment in Afghanistan. Bond is then sent to be executed by Feyador and Kara rescues him! The meeting in Bratislava, the fairground scenes in Vienna and the aftermath of Saunder’s death really make this a wonderful subplot, helped, in no small measure, by John Barry’s exquisite romantic theme. She believably falls for Bond – a darkly handsome man of danger and mystery, a bit like her Georgi. He is tender yet determined and seduces her with the delights of the West. She too is conflicted – he is her route back to Georgi but in the time spent with the beautiful stranger, she begins to waiver. The film is not erotic or sexy but that is in keeping with the romantic subplot. Maryam D’Abo deserved special credit here. An excellent actress, D’Abo plays the role as a Hitchcock ingenue with a convincing accent and musical ability, sincere romance and passion. She looks splendid, capturing the cellist with the "golden bell of hair" from the short story. Her Playboy photoshoot showcased other talents the film seemingly could not…

    Villainous Triptych
    The villainy is a development of the FRWL triptych which was also found in Octopussy. The Rosa Klebb/Orlov of the piece is Brad Whitaker; a failed West Point-er, turned mercenary and arms dealer. A sort of spoiled, brash, toy soldier with martial vanity and private army, he is played with gusto and relish by Joe Don Baker. Similarly, the Kronsteen/Kamal Khan is ideological hypocrite, General Georgi Koskov. Jeroen Krabbe’s Soviet general is suavely treacly and treacherous, roguish yet casually ruthless: knowingly setting up his girlfriend and his superior both with a view to a kill. Finally, the Red Grant/Gobinda is Necros, Andreas Wisniewski’s scarily effective physical threat who is a menacing presence at Blayden Hall and the Prater Park. The experiment here seems to be to make each of the elements more equal – a triangulation of villainy. However, this interesting experiment does not quite work. Whitaker is given little screen time yet has the trappings of a grander villain. The self-styled pantheon is a great idea but feels too small. More needs to be made of this quirk - his dealings with Koskov seem to merely about the accumulation of wealth. Perhaps he is the scion of an American military family, who admires what the Soviets are doing in Afghanistan. Perhaps, his private army, glimpsed briefly in Tangier, should have been in Afghanistan. Perhaps his arms dealing is a way to pretend to be a real general giving him real power, no matter what the consequences of his war-making. Koskov, on the other hand, is given too much time out of necessity for the mechanics of the plot. His double-cross needs to be a surprise, come out of the blue. Once again, the plot, if streamlined, would have less need for him, showcasing Whitaker more. Necros is the most successful henchperson for ages, with his own malevolent theme (“Where Has Everybody Gone?”), method of killing and physicality and pretensions to be an Aryan Che Guevara. The shortcomings of the caper are outlined above but this attempt to shake up the films and layer them with more depth and intrigue is laudable.

    Section 25 Paragraph 6
    Bond’s interaction with the wider world of espionage is interesting. Thomas Wheatley’s Saunders is the best Bond ally since Columbo. The role of a by-the-book case officer (in the short story, the Wykehamist is called Captain Paul Sender) beautifully acted by Wheatley: Saunders actually has an arc and comes to respect Bond. We feel his death – a key moment in the film. Bond’s anger in close up is one of the most powerful moments in the entire series. It is a shame that actor Walter Gotell’s health would not permit him to have played Gogol as a pivotal character in the film. However, the rewrite that created Leonid Pushkin allowed John Rhys Davies to shine. The line reading and chemistry of two fine Welsh actors in the Pushkin interrogation scene is tight and tense, elevating it to one of the series only tangential examinations of the Cold War. This Bond is really is dangerous. Art Malik’s Kamran Shah is an echo of Hossein from SWLM but is played with earnest realism, although similar to Saunders. I would have preferred the more cliched, bigger, less restrained, warmer performance – an Arab buccaneer freedom fighter morally conflicted by the dope dealing scheme. His appearance at the finale is contrived but again, a satisfying, smile-inducing moment. It’s also nice to see Gogol there too.

    Caroline Bliss’ Moneypenny is attractive. Bliss, if allowed to, would have grown in the role which could have benefited from more astute and sophisticated writing – the handling of the character (the sigh, the overt pining) was slightly cringe worthy. Indeed, this same clumsy handling of female roles (apart from most of Kara's characterization) does not help CIA agents Liz and Ava and Rubavitch (not Rublevitch?) - who are all sexy and beautiful but do nothing. It's interesting to compare these women with their post-1995 counterparts. John Terry's Felix Leiter is too restrained, with none of the Texan bonhomie of the character. It is a shame because, lack of a mop of straw hair apart, visually, he could be Bond's best friend. Unfortunately, the character is wasted. When we open on M in the PTS, it is an attempt at one of those fabulous Bond reversals – M in an immaculate office that then reveals itself to be in the back of a Hercules. The Blayden Hall briefing and interview with Bond gave us a more formal, edgier relationship. It was less clubbable and added a welcome frisson of conflict. Sir Frederick Gray also added some irascible energy. Q functions well in the field (justifiably, for once, and popping pills!) and in the lab. The ghetto blaster line and the revolving settee are excellent jokes. Robert Brown, Desmond Llewelyn, Walter Gotell and Geoffrey Keen create natural and seamless continuity; vital monuments in a transitional Bond film world whose tonal landscape had changed radically.

    Old Eonians
    John Glen directed his best Bond film with TLD. His attempts to create atmosphere and mystery and romance are very successful. The tone throughout the movie is mostly even although Julie T Wallace’s Rosika Miklos and Kamran’s gate-crashing Kara’s concert borders on the burlesque. However, Glen’s work with Dalton is remarkable, as with D’Abo and the creation of the romantic subplot. The other performances are wonderful. The action is extremely exciting: the visceral Gibraltan PTS, Blayden Hall snatchback, the Aston-Martin-cello-sled escape, the moody cat-and-mouse finale in Whitaker’s villa. The notion of Bond throwing a rug over telegraph wires and escaping on a seeming magic carpet, if shot well, would have been visually terrific and a perfect example of Bondian flair. However, as included on the DVD, the deletion of this scene appears to have been a wise move. The battle on the airbase is similarly too sprawling and needed a better sense of geography. Despite fake mountain peaks, the inflight fight is breathtaking. Literally. At my first cinema screening in the Odeon, Leicester Square on 30th June 1987, the entire packed audience sucked in one collective breath when that cargo net slides out!

    John Barry composed one of his best scores ever. Seemingly reinvigorated and yet inventively exploring new production technology, Barry gives us three wonderful songs. A-ha’s anthemic synth-pop hit has that Barry majesty although lyrically it is thin. Chrissie Hynde’s Pretenders give us the powerful aforementioned Necros theme and one of the most beautiful (Bond) songs ever written; the achingly, romantic If There Was A Man. The trickling piano for the instrumental of this song, used as the love theme, inhabits that space between a smile and a tear. All are repeated thematically throughout, instantly binding the film together and giving it musical and tonal coherence. Barry goes on to provide wonderful mysterious Czech suites and haunting, majestic soundscapes for Afghanistan. John Barry’s score for TLD is an amazing piece of varied, memorable and appropriate film composition.

    Alec Mills’ photography is sweeping and captures the wonder of picturesque but not obvious locations. It is shame that Afghanistan could not have been re-created more believably (no palm trees, more rugged terrain) but Vienna, Gibraltar and Tangier are feast enough for the eyes. Peter Lamont’s production design is in keeping with the reality of the script although a little more size and flair would have been preferred, especially for Whitaker’s villa – a chance to really add scale to this villain. Also, the weapons and technology use by the Soviets is distinctly western (the pistols, the planes). Surely there was another way of doing this, especially as a lot of these shots were achieved with very realistic models. John Richardson's effects and tricks with perspective are very clever and the reality of the danger is conveyed. The fake mountains in the cargo net are a shame. The lazer hubcaps, while visually good, are a bit of a cop out and take the film slightly out of its own reality. Emma Porteous’ costume design is believable creating euro chic and romantic desert figures, although Kara is a tad school girlish. Her work with Dalton is interesting. They gave Bond a modern, action figure look that was very much required at the time. From the parachute jumpsuit, the angular, modern yet classic black leather jacket, the Afghan fighter to the black clad assault figure at the end, the clothes framed a more agile, less foppy Bond. The suit in the office is formal (the wearing of which, a female interviewer friend told Dalton that she thought was more difficult for him than doing the stunts! He laughed heartily!). Dalton (very casual in real life) asked for and got a more relaxed, continental sport jacket ensemble. The costuming of Bond lacked a certain attention to detail and flair but at the time, this streamlined modernity was exactly what was needed for this new interpretation.

    The Spirit And The Essence
    The bravery of the direction of TLD coupled with the inauguration of a new and radically different actor playing Bond did not help the film at the US box office. The film was a worldwide hit (grossing $192 million theatrically) and made on a budget (variously $32-40 million without P & A), which was in real terms, the same as that of Moonraker. Perhaps it was too much too soon. Certainly, Dalton’s lack of panache with the press did not help but he was game and came across as an intriguing, earnest man in interviews. For the Bond scholar, however, his insistence on attempting to capture the spirit and essence of Ian Fleming’s spy and his view of Bond as a tarnished knight was wonderful to hear and see. His James Bond has lost some of its sparkle in light of what happened during his reign as Bond. However, it does reward repeated viewings and has earned a favourable position in a lot of our personal Bond histories. Timothy Dalton WAS James Bond.
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    edited May 2007
    An excellent post, TOOTS; one with which I cannot quibble---except on quite minor points.
    TOOTS wrote:
    When The Living Daylights was released, a quiet revolution happened in the world of James Bond. All of a sudden, what opened up in film Bond were possibilities. A Bond film no longer had to be a circus or a pantomime but could attempt to return to its roots – that of the contemporary, Hitchcock-ian, romantic, intelligent, international, mystery, thriller.

    You're quite right. This was the first Bond film my girlfriend (now my wife) and I saw together---and we both agreed, at the time, that Bond was definitely headed out of the wilderness with TLD, and in the right direction.
    TOOTS wrote:
    A story murky with recent Iran-Contra-gate topicality, this 15th Eon Bond film was a character-led tale of intrigue that was difficult to summarize for the press. Said press were already antagonized by a new leading man who kept an air of mystery about his personal life. In order to fully appreciate what Timothy Dalton brought to 007, one would have to have been a James Bond fan before he was cast. The long and successful reign of Roger Moore was an achievement in itself but the Press had been rather spoilt by 14 years of media-friendly frolics. Dalton’s distance did not endear him to them. Their view was, “It’s only a Bond film, lighten up.”

    However, for the first time, the actor playing Bond had read all 14 Fleming Bond books, researched and knew about Fleming (allegedly keeping a copy of John Pearson’s Fleming biography on his bedside table) and had a keen sense of what he wanted to achieve: something different yet classic.

    There's no disputing this was different---and, for my own part, after a long darkness, things were truly brightening for 007---but this was, indeed, a jarring transition from the unflappably dandified, eternally-tuxedoed Bond to which the worldwide audience had become accustomed.
    TOOTS wrote:
    Upon his announcement as Bond on 6th August 1986, Dalton was a relatively unknown, leading man/working actor. However, this became an important aspect to the thrill of his debut. This lack of knowledge about the actor made his Bond unpredictable.. Dalton’s performance conveys the effort of survival, the pain of being hit, the exhilaration of escape, and the spoils of seduction...He went back to the humanity of the man from the novels and injected as much of the man as the script would allow.

    Aye---and there's the rub, IMO. As good as the script was (at least, in comparison to its predecessor, AVTAK!) a suitable balance between literary Bond and the then-long-established Moore Bond seemed unachievable.
    TOOTS wrote:
    The film is not without humour but it is a different sort of humour to that of previous Bonds, especially the Roger Moore era. In TLD, there is little outright comedy. This has been replaced by comic relief. Brief relief, perfectly in keeping with the darker, moodier, thriller tone. One doesn’t laugh, one smiles

    Your examples are certainly indicative of the sort of character-based humour which are ultimately at the core of Bond's long-term survivability...but such things as the Aston Martin---still stuck within the small garage, driving about on the frozen lake, until he announces, "Time to leave"---serve to ruin an entire segment of the film, at least as far as I'm concerned. I can even go along with (and applaud) the Aston's tire rim cutting a ring in the frozen lake, if only we could have foregone this damning bit of Moore-era kitsch. Again, perhaps I'm all but alone in this sentiment...
    TOOTS wrote:
    Dalton is adept at playing darkly humorous characters (Framed, The Rocketeer) but he is seemingly not a natural improviser and cannot conjure what is not on the page. The new, subtler approach was lost on some audiences.

    To me, this is a key to the (relatively) diminished box office of Dalton's Bond tenure.
    TOOTS wrote:
    The bravery of the direction of TLD coupled with the inauguration of a new and radically different actor playing Bond did not help the film at the US box office....Certainly, Dalton’s lack of panache with the press did not help but he was game and came across as an intriguing, earnest man in interviews. For the Bond scholar, however, his insistence on attempting to capture the spirit and essence of Ian Fleming’s spy and his view of Bond as a tarnished knight was wonderful to hear and see. His James Bond has lost some of its sparkle in light of what happened during his reign as Bond. However, it does reward repeated viewings and has earned a favourable position in a lot of our personal Bond histories. Timothy Dalton WAS James Bond.

    By God, at least he was a welcome (and IMO long overdue!) step in the right direction! {[] He was certainly before his time...at least, inasmuch as a more grounded, Fleming-based interpretation was not to be embraced---and rewarded, with a more thematically cohesive script (and accompanying box office success) for another twenty years :007)
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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    There's no disputing this was different---and, for my own part, after a long darkness, things were truly brightening for 007---but this was, indeed, a jarring transition from the unflappably dandified, eternally-tuxedoed Bond to which the worldwide audience had become accustomed.
    Loeff, I'm not even going to attempt to convince you that Moore wasn't dandified, so all I will say is :#.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Harry PalmerHarry Palmer Somewhere in the past ...Posts: 325MI6 Agent
    edited May 2007
    TOOTS wrote:
    My thruppence worth on this film.

    Thruppence! I for one, would pay much more. Great post, Toots. I could print it and hang it on my bedroom wall (not being a bachelor, though, I won't).

    Minor disagreements: I found Moneypenny frankly indefensible; and Whitaker, could have been a great villain with your proposed revisions. But in actuality, he was rather poor.

    Honestly, I'd have loved to get more of the down-to-earth Bratislava-Vienna-Tangiers action, and less Afghanistan.
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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited May 2007
    TOOTS wrote:
    Dalton is adept at playing darkly humorous characters (Framed, The Rocketeer) but he is seemingly not a natural improviser and cannot conjure what is not on the page. The new, subtler approach was lost on some audiences.
    I don't think it was so much being subtle as simply being a bad performance. ;) I really disliked Dalton's performance in this film (it was the second worst Bond performance ever IMO, beating out LTK.) The reasons being, he came across as IMO overly cold, completely humorless and having no personality whatsoever.

    I have never considered Moore to be the clown or dandy that some other people seem to believe that he was; rather I considered his Bond to be a continuation of the tradition that Connery started. That of a Bond being both ruthless and suave in equal measure. I got that with Connery and Moore (as well as Brosnan), but I never got that with Dalton. Instead he came across to me as dour, quite emotionless (or at least featuring one emotion for the entire film), extremely dull and very uninteresting.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Klaus HergescheimerKlaus Hergescheimer Posts: 332MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    I don't think it was so much being subtle as simply being a bad performance. ;) I really disliked Dalton's performance in this film (it was the second worst Bond performance ever IMO, beating out LTK.) The reasons being, he came across as IMO overly cold, completely humorless and having no personality whatsoever.

    I have never considered Moore to be the clown or dandy that some other people seem to believe that he was; rather I considered his Bond to be a continuation of the tradition that Connery started. That of a Bond being both ruthless and suave in equal measure. I got that with Connery and Moore (as well as Brosnan), but I never got that with Dalton. Instead he came across to me as dour, quite emotionless (or at least featuring one emotion for the entire film), extremely dull and very uninteresting.

    Look, I know I have no hope of changing your opinion on Dalton. But why can't you at least respect the fact that he was portraying Bond as Fleming wrote him? Do you not like the character that Fleming wrote? Fleming's Bond is not a balance of "suaveness and ruthlessness." He is a balance of choleric, haunted, ruthless, arrogant, reserved, and reflecting, but at the same time, he is also classy and composed. He is a genuine human being, not a constant charm machine. Dalton nailed all of the listed characteristics, with the exception of the last one. (He was unhinged at times when he shouldn't have been, which has downgraded his ranking upon further review, in my book.) And Dalton's Bond did have class. He may not have had the brilliant one liners with the cute raised eyebrow that charmed your pants off like Moore (nothing wrong with this about Moore's protrayal, he was great for what he did), but he still had class.

    I have to admit, since Craig has come on the scene, Dalton has gone down in my book, mainly because Craig was able to portray the composure of Fleming's Bond in the appropriate settings, as well as generally portray the literary 007's characteristics better. But I still love Dalton's Bond for who he was, and I infinitely respect his goal. The least you and others can acknowledge his literary aim as valid and have respect for it and his fans.
  • bluemanblueman PDXPosts: 1,667MI6 Agent
    I don't ever remember Fleming writing that Bond smiled goofily, but if somebody finds such a passage I could be swayed. I'd agree that Dalton attempted to capture Fleming's Bond, and that in contrast to Moore he certainly was more Flemingesque, but he ultimately failed, IMHO (I blame Glen :x). I think Dalton was more Bondish in other, non-Bond roles (Flash Gordon, The Rocketeer). Don't know why really he didn't click, but I just don't think he did...right direction to go in, not quite there.
  • Klaus HergescheimerKlaus Hergescheimer Posts: 332MI6 Agent
    blueman wrote:
    I don't ever remember Fleming writing that Bond smiled goofily, but if somebody finds such a passage I could be swayed. I'd agree that Dalton attempted to capture Fleming's Bond, and that in contrast to Moore he certainly was more Flemingesque, but he ultimately failed, IMHO (I blame Glen :x). I think Dalton was more Bondish in other, non-Bond roles (Flash Gordon, The Rocketeer). Don't know why really he didn't click, but I just don't think he did...right direction to go in, not quite there.

    Yeah, I could have done without the goofy smile in the car as he watched Pushkin's wife enter the hotel. I know what you're saying there.

    I think generally, Dalton carried the darker elements of Fleming's character very well. He just needed to tone it down a tad, have more subtlety (as Craig's Bond did), and have the composure of Fleming's Bond, because Fleming's Bond was composed.

    I would rank him fourth behind Craig, Connery, and Brosnan, in that order. Upon review, I think Brosnan tried to do the same thing as Dalton, but he was able to convey the composure moreso than Dalton. Brosnan also seems more comfortable with the role than Dalton. Craig is superior to both in term's of playing Fleming's Bond and has established a new mold for the film Bond, and Connery defines the identity of the film James Bond that ran through Brosnan, which is why they form a cut above Brosnan and Dalton.
  • bluemanblueman PDXPosts: 1,667MI6 Agent
    blueman wrote:
    I don't ever remember Fleming writing that Bond smiled goofily, but if somebody finds such a passage I could be swayed. I'd agree that Dalton attempted to capture Fleming's Bond, and that in contrast to Moore he certainly was more Flemingesque, but he ultimately failed, IMHO (I blame Glen :x). I think Dalton was more Bondish in other, non-Bond roles (Flash Gordon, The Rocketeer). Don't know why really he didn't click, but I just don't think he did...right direction to go in, not quite there.

    Yeah, I could have done without the goofy smile in the car as he watched Pushkin's wife enter the hotel. I know what you're saying there.

    I think generally, Dalton carried the darker elements of Fleming's character very well. He just needed to tone it down a tad, have more subtlety (as Craig's Bond did), and have the composure of Fleming's Bond, because Fleming's Bond was composed.

    I would rank him fourth behind Craig, Connery, and Brosnan, in that order. Upon review, I think Brosnan tried to do the same thing as Dalton, but he was able to convey the composure moreso than Dalton. Brosnan also seems more comfortable with the role than Dalton. Craig is superior to both in term's of playing Fleming's Bond and has established a new mold for the film Bond, and Connery defines the identity of the film James Bond that ran through Brosnan, which is why they form a cut above Brosnan and Dalton.

    I would've loved to have seen Dalton in the role post-MR, and with a different director/script. I blame Cubby :x.
  • Klaus HergescheimerKlaus Hergescheimer Posts: 332MI6 Agent
    blueman wrote:

    I would've loved to have seen Dalton in the role post-MR, and with a different director/script. I blame Cubby :x.

    Agreed.
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