*I absolutely adore OHMSS, but I consider TSWLM to be a superior film.
No, but thanks for playing
I'm sorry? ?:) Do you mean that you don't agree, which doesn't surprise me, or are you kicking me out of the game?
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
I hate casting a negative vote against TLD, but rules are rules.
What do you mean by that? You can vote as you wish as long as you keep it down to one vote a day.
I mean I hate to have to cast a negative vote. I would prefer to cast only my positive vote at this point, as I really do not dislike any of the remaining movies. As I said rules are rules, and I have to cast the negative vote. Got it?
::(|) Good point. In that case let me help you out with a suggestion. One day you vote against TLD. The next you can reverse that vote by voting in favour. What do you say? Does that help your conscience?
Now all of these are the movies either hate or love, the ones I love being OHMSS, GF and FRWL while TB, TLD and CR linger.
Think thats bad. I love all the remaining films. Now I have to pick one to get rid of. It's like deciding which of your children you want to get rid of.
Disco laden or not, I think it's an absolute masterpiece and I am shocked, absolutely shocked, that it has been eliminated.
It's not really that surprising, when you consider the bulk of the crowd here. What I find really surprising is that CR isn't getting more love-- especially when you consider that it was going for the same spirit as TLD, and (in my opinion) was vastly more successful at it.
It's not really that surprising, when you consider the bulk of the crowd here. What I find really surprising is that CR isn't getting more love-- especially when you consider that it was going for the same spirit as TLD, and (in my opinion) was vastly more successful at it.
You're probably right that, considering the crowd here, it was time for TSWLM to go. But, regarding CR, much to my disappointment, I would be very surprised if it doesn't make the top 5 and challenge for the top 4.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
As a revenge for TSWLM, which's faith has been undeserved, TLD must die!
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"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
LoeffelholzThe United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
We're talking about the top one third of all Bond films, based on the Game. There's no shame in any film bowing out now, IMO.
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Harry Palmer Somewhere in the past ...Posts: 325MI6 Agent
It's not really that surprising, when you consider the bulk of the crowd here. What I find really surprising is that CR isn't getting more love-- especially when you consider that it was going for the same spirit as TLD, and (in my opinion) was vastly more successful at it.
You're probably right that, considering the crowd here, it was time for TSWLM to go. But, regarding CR, much to my disappointment, I would be very surprised if it doesn't make the top 5 and challenge for the top 4.
Folks, I cannot wait for TB to go, because after that I will devote my energies to eliminating CR. Before Dan and JFF assume Palpatine robes and welcome me to the dark side, I should clarify; I think CR is an amazing Bond film. But I've only seen it four times, as opposed to the 400 times I have seen the rest. And I thought all Bond films were amazing the first four times (well, maybe not TMWTGG). So from where I sit, I cannot put CR on the same list as the others; time hasn't leant it the gravitas that they have acquired (yes, I am including TLD; see, I haven't completely converted!). Come back to me in ten years and I'll see where CR fits in a bit more objectively.
Mind you, the way this game's going, it'll still be running in ten years time
1) From Russia With Love [25]
2) Goldfinger [20]+1 =21
3) Thunderball [13]
4) On Her Majesty's Secret Service [24]-1 =23
5) The Living Daylights [14]
6) Casino Royale [13]
Folks, I cannot wait for TB to go, because after that I will devote my energies to eliminating CR. Before Dan and JFF assume Palpatine robes and welcome me to the dark side, I should clarify; I think CR is an amazing Bond film. But I've only seen it four times, as opposed to the 400 times I have seen the rest. And I thought all Bond films were amazing the first four times (well, maybe not TMWTGG). So from where I sit, I cannot put CR on the same list as the others; time hasn't leant it the gravitas that they have acquired (yes, I am including TLD; see, I haven't completely converted!). Come back to me in ten years and I'll see where CR fits in a bit more objectively.
Mind you, the way this game's going, it'll still be running in ten years time
That's what I think, too. Lazenby said that CR outdid TLD in the same spirit, and maybe it did I don't know. I have seen CR and I liked it very much, but it's too soon for me to say I like it better than some of the other movies (although, in other cases, there is no doubt). Maybe in a few years it will be my favorite, maybe not, but my favorite movie now is what it is and I haven't seen anything that made me change my mind in a few years. Maybe after reflecting on other movies and thinking about them for a couple of years, my mind will change (TLD wasn't my favorite when I first saw it, or for some time after).
This conversation reminds me of when CR was released, and a lot of people were claiming it the "best Bond ever." A friend and I saw it and were talking at work, and we said now wait a minute, they've been making Bond movies for forty-something years, we can't just jump up and down and yell "best ever!," the first week CR was out. Just my 1.5 cents
LazenbyThe upper reaches of the AmazoPosts: 606MI6 Agent
That's an easy one-- it's a far superior film to any of those. If TB had nothing more going for it than Connery's coolness and Domino's semi-exposed breast in that bathing suit it would still be worthy of high marks in my opinion. As it stands though it features one of the best performances by arguably the best Bond, some great action sequences, a good reality grounded suspenseful plot, the best collection of hotties in any Bond movie, a great score, a great casino scene, the best villainess in the whole series, the Disco Volante et cetera, et cetera.
Ask yourselves: what film could the series do without most? That's the one that goes. Bond without GF is like, listening to the Beatles without earmuffs, lol.
Shocking, positively shocking. :007)
But you see that is not the basis on which I am voting. Of course Goldfinger was a hugely influential picture and set the formula that would be replicated by the following films up until 2002's Die Another Day (with the arguable exception of On Her Majesty's Secret Service). Nevertheless, if I had to choose either Thunderball or Goldfinger to sit down and watch in an evening I would plump for the former. I prefer the exoticism, the story, the characters and the general tone of that rich and exciting picture. And in any event, I happen to think that The Living Daylights is also a very influential film; it changed radically the tone of the films and shaped, to quite a significant extent in my view, many of the films that followed it (especially GoldenEye and The World Is Not Enough). I think the Dalton era had an influence on Brosnan's tenure (in terms of tone), although this did not mean that those films matched the quality of The Living Daylights. In my opinion, at least.
As I say, Goldfinger is my least favourite of the bunch left. I do feel somewhat sacrilegious, however at this point it is like picking which of your children you love least. All of those left are among my very favourites. Still, I'm pushing for Casino Royale all the way, even though it is a little like comparing one apple with twenty oranges (despite the fact that the Bond series 1962-2002 varied wildly in tone).
LazenbyThe upper reaches of the AmazoPosts: 606MI6 Agent
This conversation reminds me of when CR was released, and a lot of people were claiming it the "best Bond ever." A friend and I saw it and were talking at work, and we said now wait a minute, they've been making Bond movies for forty-something years, we can't just jump up and down and yell "best ever!," the first week CR was out. Just my 1.5 cents
CR is for me what TLD was for a lot of people-- a welcome breath of fresh air. I first saw it on opening week and was so excited I couldn't contain myself. I more or less gave up on the Bond movies during the Brosnan era, fancying that I had finally grown out of it and that they had at last run out of steam. However upon seeing CR my faith in the series was entirely restored and I said to myself that it was the best Bond film since OHMSS-- and that opinion has only strengthened under repeated viewings. I understand those who aren't willing to commit to it after such a short time, in fact it has slid down a few notches on my own list for that exact reason. Truth be told, though, I think Raymond Benson might have a point when he notes that were it not for the sentimental appeal of the early films, CR should be considered the best ever. This strikes me as quite the comment to hear from perhaps the most reputable Fleming scholar and enthusiast alive right now. I read his Bedside Companion many times as a youth and his opinions and views have done much to shape my own. Not that this makes him right, but I can't deny the influence.
Oh, and Moore Not Less: Thanks for getting rid of the abbreviations (even though you're voting down the best film left ;p)! I was going to do that myself if nobody else did.
Ask yourselves: what film could the series do without most? That's the one that goes. Bond without GF is like, listening to the Beatles without earmuffs, lol.
Shocking, positively shocking. :007)
But you see that is not the basis on which I am voting. Of course Goldfinger was a hugely influential picture and set the formula that would be replicated by the following films up until 2002's Die Another Day (with the arguable exception of On Her Majesty's Secret Service). Nevertheless, if I had to choose either Thunderball or Goldfinger to sit down and watch in an evening I would plump for the former. I prefer the exoticism, the story, the characters and the general tone of that rich and exciting picture. And in any event, I happen to think that The Living Daylights is also a very influential film; it changed radically the tone of the films and shaped, to quite a significant extent in my view, many of the films that followed it (especially GoldenEye and The World Is Not Enough). I think the Dalton era had an influence on Brosnan's tenure (in terms of tone), although this did not mean that those films matched the quality of The Living Daylights. In my opinion, at least.
As I say, Goldfinger is my least favourite of the bunch left. I do feel somewhat sacrilegious, however at this point it is like picking which of your children you love least. All of those left are among my very favourites. Still, I'm pushing for Casino Royale all the way, even though it is a little like comparing one apple with twenty oranges (despite the fact that the Bond series 1962-2002 varied wildly in tone).
Okay, agree about picking the one you'd most want to pop in the VCR on a given evening.
Still don't think TLD is what people make it out to be, just don't see it in the same class as the other films left (not too mention I don't even own a copy, so I'd never be popping it in the old VCR on an evening, it loses by default, lol). I view the two Dalton Bonds as the last gasp of the Moore/Glen eras, and left hardly any mark at all on the series IMO; GE and the other Brosnan Bonds owe far, far more to DIE HARD IMO. I also don't see any link CR-Dalton's films, CR is a throwback to the early 60s Bond films IMO and successfully captures that vibe, whereas Dalton's films were well-intentioned mistakes that were only looking to temper late Moore silliness with a darker tone but hardly embraced anything like an early Bond film paradigm. Perhaps they needed to happen for EON to know what not to do? Even that doesn't equal influential.
Cubby was set in his ways, and put out the product as he saw fit, even when Dalton came aboard. There's so much going on in TLD--the love story, Afghanistan, left-over Moore silliness--that just ain't Fleming, plus really poor writing--Kara, who's the villian?, left-over Moore silliness--I have a hard time thinking of TLD as a Bond film. It says it is, but I remember feeling more like I was watching an old Errol Flynn movie. Not my Bond. Oh well.
1) From Russia With Love [25]
2) Goldfinger [21]
3) Thunderball [13]
4) On Her Majesty's Secret Service [23]
5) The Living Daylights [14]+1 = [15]
6) Casino Royale [13]-1 = [12]
1) From Russia With Love [25]
2) Goldfinger [21]-1 = [20]
3) Thunderball [13]
4) On Her Majesty's Secret Service [23]
5) The Living Daylights [15]+1 = [16]
6) Casino Royale [12]
Comments
2) GF (21)-1=(20)
3) TB (13)+ 1=(14)
4) OHMSS (22)
5) TLD (14)
6) CR (15)
Wow, TSWLM finally bit the dust? I must say that these remaining 6 are all in my top 10 so there's none I really wish to annihilate.
2) GF (20]
3) TB (14)+1 [15]
4) OHMSS (22)
5) TLD (14)-1 [13]
6) CR (15)
Nice work on the DEATH BLOW Mr. C.S.! :007)
2) GF [20]
3) TB [14]
4) OHMSS [22]
5) TLD 14+1=[15]
6) CR 5-1=[14]
2) GF [20]
3) TB [14]
4) OHMSS [23] (+)
5) TLD [15]
6) CR [13] (-)
TSWLM!!!! NOOOOOOOO! Now all of these are the movies either hate or love, the ones I love being OHMSS, GF and FRWL while TB, TLD and CR linger.
2) GF [20]
3) TB [14]
4) OHMSS [23]+1 [24]
5) TLD [15]-1 [14]
6) CR [13]
As a revenge for TSWLM, which's faith has been undeserved, TLD must die!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Think thats bad. I love all the remaining films. Now I have to pick one to get rid of. It's like deciding which of your children you want to get rid of.
It's not really that surprising, when you consider the bulk of the crowd here. What I find really surprising is that CR isn't getting more love-- especially when you consider that it was going for the same spirit as TLD, and (in my opinion) was vastly more successful at it.
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I agree. All the remaining films have had a great run and are to be considered winners in their own way.:D
1) FRWL 24 +1 = [25]
2) GF [20]
3) TB [14]
4) OHMSS [24]
5) TLD [14]
6) CR 13 -1 = [12]
-Roger Moore
2) GF [20]
3) TB [14]-1=[13]
4) OHMSS [24]
5) TLD [14]
6) CR [12]+1=[13]
How did TB outlast TSWLM... or FYEO, or LALD, or DN, or... ****, you get the point.
Folks, I cannot wait for TB to go, because after that I will devote my energies to eliminating CR. Before Dan and JFF assume Palpatine robes and welcome me to the dark side, I should clarify; I think CR is an amazing Bond film. But I've only seen it four times, as opposed to the 400 times I have seen the rest. And I thought all Bond films were amazing the first four times (well, maybe not TMWTGG). So from where I sit, I cannot put CR on the same list as the others; time hasn't leant it the gravitas that they have acquired (yes, I am including TLD; see, I haven't completely converted!). Come back to me in ten years and I'll see where CR fits in a bit more objectively.
Mind you, the way this game's going, it'll still be running in ten years time
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2) Goldfinger [20]+1 =21
3) Thunderball [13]
4) On Her Majesty's Secret Service [24]-1 =23
5) The Living Daylights [14]
6) Casino Royale [13]
That's what I think, too. Lazenby said that CR outdid TLD in the same spirit, and maybe it did I don't know. I have seen CR and I liked it very much, but it's too soon for me to say I like it better than some of the other movies (although, in other cases, there is no doubt). Maybe in a few years it will be my favorite, maybe not, but my favorite movie now is what it is and I haven't seen anything that made me change my mind in a few years. Maybe after reflecting on other movies and thinking about them for a couple of years, my mind will change (TLD wasn't my favorite when I first saw it, or for some time after).
This conversation reminds me of when CR was released, and a lot of people were claiming it the "best Bond ever." A friend and I saw it and were talking at work, and we said now wait a minute, they've been making Bond movies for forty-something years, we can't just jump up and down and yell "best ever!," the first week CR was out. Just my 1.5 cents
That's an easy one-- it's a far superior film to any of those.
As I say, Goldfinger is my least favourite of the bunch left. I do feel somewhat sacrilegious, however at this point it is like picking which of your children you love least. All of those left are among my very favourites. Still, I'm pushing for Casino Royale all the way, even though it is a little like comparing one apple with twenty oranges (despite the fact that the Bond series 1962-2002 varied wildly in tone).
CR is for me what TLD was for a lot of people-- a welcome breath of fresh air. I first saw it on opening week and was so excited I couldn't contain myself. I more or less gave up on the Bond movies during the Brosnan era, fancying that I had finally grown out of it and that they had at last run out of steam. However upon seeing CR my faith in the series was entirely restored and I said to myself that it was the best Bond film since OHMSS-- and that opinion has only strengthened under repeated viewings. I understand those who aren't willing to commit to it after such a short time, in fact it has slid down a few notches on my own list for that exact reason. Truth be told, though, I think Raymond Benson might have a point when he notes that were it not for the sentimental appeal of the early films, CR should be considered the best ever. This strikes me as quite the comment to hear from perhaps the most reputable Fleming scholar and enthusiast alive right now. I read his Bedside Companion many times as a youth and his opinions and views have done much to shape my own. Not that this makes him right, but I can't deny the influence.
Oh, and Moore Not Less: Thanks for getting rid of the abbreviations (even though you're voting down the best film left ;p)! I was going to do that myself if nobody else did.
Okay, agree about picking the one you'd most want to pop in the VCR on a given evening.
Still don't think TLD is what people make it out to be, just don't see it in the same class as the other films left (not too mention I don't even own a copy, so I'd never be popping it in the old VCR on an evening, it loses by default, lol). I view the two Dalton Bonds as the last gasp of the Moore/Glen eras, and left hardly any mark at all on the series IMO; GE and the other Brosnan Bonds owe far, far more to DIE HARD IMO. I also don't see any link CR-Dalton's films, CR is a throwback to the early 60s Bond films IMO and successfully captures that vibe, whereas Dalton's films were well-intentioned mistakes that were only looking to temper late Moore silliness with a darker tone but hardly embraced anything like an early Bond film paradigm. Perhaps they needed to happen for EON to know what not to do? Even that doesn't equal influential.
Cubby was set in his ways, and put out the product as he saw fit, even when Dalton came aboard. There's so much going on in TLD--the love story, Afghanistan, left-over Moore silliness--that just ain't Fleming, plus really poor writing--Kara, who's the villian?, left-over Moore silliness--I have a hard time thinking of TLD as a Bond film. It says it is, but I remember feeling more like I was watching an old Errol Flynn movie. Not my Bond. Oh well.
2) Goldfinger [21]
3) Thunderball [13]
4) On Her Majesty's Secret Service [23]
5) The Living Daylights [14]+1 = [15]
6) Casino Royale [13]-1 = [12]
2) Goldfinger [21]-1 = [20]
3) Thunderball [13]
4) On Her Majesty's Secret Service [23]
5) The Living Daylights [15]+1 = [16]
6) Casino Royale [12]