hi all been away awhile
i noticed moviecarfan has a pic of jb 109 of which i dont mind him/her using as this is on my ebay auction page
i check the wikipeadia page and fabbrii has updated the issue to 130
just to let you all know
The collection was launched in Oz pretty much the same way as in the UK. The only difference is that they use a partwork distributor here - Bissett Mags. We had proper TV ads, subscription at newsagents and on the net (with free gifts).
I understand that in NZ the collection is a few months behind us.
Just wondering if it had been marketed in the same way as the UK. I would have thought the reception in Oz would have been as strong as the UK unless the price has been too prohibitive. I'm sure there's plenty of petrol heads/ Bond fans down under!
hi all been away awhile
i noticed moviecarfan has a pic of jb 109 of which i dont mind him/her using as this is on my ebay auction page
i check the wikipeadia page and fabbrii has updated the issue to 130
just to let you all know
Bearded and ugly last time I looked in the mirror so I hope I'm male 8-)
I actually got the pic off a French forum so I think it was probably grabbed the instant you listed your Impala. Do you have any more pics of it you can post?
As far as I'm aware all the promotion was done at the beginning of the series where the TV ads that would have been used in the UK were used here and the special introductory price was used to suck us in There were also displays at newsagents and from there purchasers were encouraged to subscribe in order to get the bonuses of the helicopter (Little Nellie as I recall) and the tank etc. Since the launch I haven't seen any advertising or promotion.
First pic of the Impala plus diorama - gravel road!! YAY!! )
Well from what we can see the Impala looks brilliant. Can't wait. I am eagerly waiting my delivery as mentioned before this months subscription has left my account.
Just a couple of comments on to and froing above. I don't think Fabbris actually distribute anywhere. I think that they sub-contract the fulfillment entirely even in UK.
Wikipedia doesnt have more than next three models already discussed here yet - unless I am looking in the wrong place.
I am not sure that it is just the subscribers keeping this alive. The newstand orders for the US models like hearses and Country Squire must have been huge if you look at how many have crossed the Atlantic. Making a "pig's ear" of LArgo's TBird will certainly cut down those sales which would have been substantialif the car was right. As a picker and chooser unless there is an easy way to modify it I will skip it.
On IXO - IMHO they would never make this mistake their generations of Zhiguli and Volga cars for example strive very hard to update all the badging, bunpers, grilles etc. To be fair even UH stuff for Altaya in France shows major changes in Renault 4 for example so they can do it. Frankly I think that Fabbri have to decide what is made and sign off the pre-prod samples and they are sloppy. No-one is holding them over a barrel to finish this series which might have been the case pre-110 but they extended it themselves and they are responsible for what is produced.
Like I say I pick and choose and I wont bother with damaged Aston or TBird unless released car has modified grille and rear lights when it actually appears. Dodge and Uaz look more promising but about time we had a proper list of what is coming even if some places are just Bond 23 car.
Another shot of the Impala - there's a few on eBay now -
The gravel road's a bit basic but seems to tie in with the dirt road shown going off into the distance on the background card pretty well. Looks good overall IMHO. and certainly fills the box - I'll be ordering one
Updated lists for Fabbri - I should point out these are composite suggestions from numerous contributors to this forum, Bond fans, car fans, subscribers and cherry pickers alike. Feel free to add any wants -
MASTER WISHLIST OF NEW MODELS:
DN 1961 Chevrolet Impala Four-Door Sedan (This was Felix's Chase Car)
DN 1959 Austin A55 Cambridge Jamaican Taxi
FRWL Chevy 1-Ton Stakebed Truck
FRWL Kerim Bey's Rolls-Royce Silver Wraith
GF Merc 180 bad guys pursuit car
GF Merc 220S Odd Job car
GF WW2 Willys Jeep
TB 1964 Lincoln Continental Lehmann-Peterson stretch limo
TB 1965 Lincoln Continental 4-door convertible (top up)
TB Fiona Volpe's BSA motorcycle
TB Bomb Sled with Tow Sled outriders
YOLT 1964 Dodge Polara 500 Sedan
OHMSS 1968 Ford Escort Mk. I Rallye
OHMSS Draco's Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow convertible
OHMSS Bobsleds
DAF Ford LVPD police car (blue/white)
DAF 1971 Ford Thunderbird
DAF Honda tricycle from Moonbuggy chase
DAF Bathosub
DAF Merc 600 grösse
LALD AEC REGENT Bus without top deck
LALD Power boat crashed into side of Sheriff Pepper's car
LALD 1973 Chevy Bel Air Louisiana State Police
TMWTGG 1974 AMC Matador Sedan "Thai Police Car"
TSWLM Wetbike with RM figure
MR Shuttle
MR Cable Car
FYEO 1974 Mercedes-Benz 450SEL
OP 1977 (i.e. second generation) Scaldia-Volga M24 Luxe Sedan
AVTAK American LaFrance Fire engine
AVTAK 1984 Jeep Cherokee
TLD Audi 200 Avant (but please a real 200 and no Audi V8 clone)
TLD Wales & Edwards Rangemaster Milk Float
TLD 59 Chevy Impala Convertible/ Street Rod
LTK Kenworth
LTK Lincoln Mk. VII Coupe (Felix's Lincoln)
LTK Dodge Ram Pickup
LTK Utilimaster Aeromaster Van
GE UAZ-469B/UAZ-31512 4x4
GE VAZ-2106 Sedan St. Petersburg Militsia GAI
GE Cagiva 350 with Bond on it (chasing the plane)
TND BMW R1200C bike
TWINE Lada Niva
DAD Invisible Aston Martin Vanquish
DAD Rocket sled
CR Tanker Truck, battered under the wing of the Skyfleet prototype.
CR Ford Mondeo
CR 2005 Škoda Octavia Police
CR Chevrolet G-Series Van (With DC on back before he jumps fence)
CR International 4900 fuel truck (with DC on roof)
CR Airport passenger bus or baggage trailer.
USING EXISTING MOULDS:
OHMSS VW Beetle as the OP or QOS one.
LALD Mini Moke as a variant from YOLT or TSWLM
TLD Aston Martin V8 Vantage without skids
GE Ferrari F355 as the DAD one
GF Aston Martin DB5 as another GE/CR variant
SPECIALS:
DAD Supercars in paddy field
Diecast007 - I couldn't find your 'specials' suggestions, can you add them?
Well, I would like to apologize if it came across that I was blaming you for the T-Bird. I was just saying that the TB T-Bird had been mentioned on this thread before (and perhaps on the other forum that vanished with all its content, although I only remember it from here). From the timeline alone it could very well be that Fabbri has been inspired. That's not a bad thing to say - in fact we all hope that Fabbri has been and will be inspired by our wishlist or why would we make one?
However, it would be ridiculous to think they would not also note suggestions of castings they have and which could be reused - the "bad ideas". Especially if they need some "fillers" to buy some time for another manufacturer. But I am quite sure they had known that already.
So essentially boiling down to "yes and no"? Again I ask: are you serious?
Well, if you feel "attacked" when I say that I would not like one each out of all your suggestions?
Disagreeing with us is one thing. Actually going into full sarcasm mode and saying "your idea is bad" with literally no logic behind it whatsoever is attacking an idea. And FWIW, you neither attacked me or MovieCarFan; it was just our ideas...there's a significant difference you seem to have missed.
So, I don't blame you for the TB T-Bird but, yes, I found it funny that Mr Detail Freak wrote twice it was literally the same as the GF car
Sigh...well, I DIDN'T notice much about this particular car. It wasn't memorable to me in any way, shape, or form OTHER THAN the following: I had heard rumors that it was the literal same car as the '64 model from GF; a sort of a tip of the cap by EON. Naturally, this rumor proved untrue. However, if you look at a totally unrelated post (3401 on this thread, top of the page), you'll see that I saw Thunderball on TV again about two months ago...in early June. And, if you'll notice, I took a closer look at the cars... 8-) Try again...or better yet, how about not and just dropping it and moving on?
First pic of the Impala plus diorama - gravel road!! YAY!!
Oh well...typical lousy Ixo diorama, typical lack of figures, though the car had been under development for a while and it looks like they changed the mould a bit (windows and side mirror look quite different than the factory rejects we saw from Hong Kong and China proper). At least they made a good car.
Welcome, and thanks for your thoughts. I totally agree with you and in fact already expressed similar opinions before. Whatever happens, I do not intend to continue beyond 110. So if the extension is announced in Australia, I will cancel and cherry-pick the remainder (if there is anything interesting).
I'll second the welcome to AussieSubscriber and Jag, I would guess there probably is some interesting stuff remaining. With the near-whiplash the TB T-Bird has caused and the nagative backlash you describe in Australia, plus the reaction in the UK also mentioned that people were disappointed the collection continued and Fabbri was surprised, I'm guessing they'll step their efforts up.
I am not sure that it is just the subscribers keeping this alive. The newstand orders for the US models like hearses and Country Squire must have been huge if you look at how many have crossed the Atlantic. Making a "pig's ear" of LArgo's TBird will certainly cut down those sales which would have been substantialif the car was right. As a picker and chooser unless there is an easy way to modify it I will skip it.
Completely agreed. I think the sales of the more detailed cars that appealed to American buyers (and I'm including the Impala in this) as well as the unbelievable price spikes we saw for the Soviet/Russian cars (ZAZ-965A and GAZ-31029 from GE, ZIL-117 from CR, and even the cut-in-half Lada 1500 from TLD) spoiled them somewhat.
On IXO - IMHO they would never make this mistake their generations of Zhiguli and Volga cars for example strive very hard to update all the badging, bunpers, grilles etc. To be fair even UH stuff for Altaya in France shows major changes in Renault 4 for example so they can do it. Frankly I think that Fabbri have to decide what is made and sign off the pre-prod samples and they are sloppy. No-one is holding them over a barrel to finish this series which might have been the case pre-110 but they extended it themselves and they are responsible for what is produced.
Again, I completely agree with this and second it all the way. Ixo doesn't screw up their cars too badly. They get minute details wrong here and there (as we noted, the missing Ford logo on the tailgate of the Country Squire, the ride height of the La Salle/Miller Hearse being too low, the missing Ford badges and not-quite-right-though-not-terrible taillights on the Ford Consul, etc.), but nothing too terribly egregious or lazy that we've seen. The last time they did do so in a partwork, they REALLY went out of their way to correct the mould in the re-release, I know. UH as of late? I can't say the same. But then why is Fabbri approving their stuff? I'd like to know why. As I said, I think they've been spoiled, but they can't be just sitting on their laurels not planning on changing anything AT ALL.
I have no doubt that there may indeed be some interesting stuff remaining, however the extension is supposed to be 20 issues long. Of those, perhaps only 10 will be the "interesting stuff", and the rest just bland, rehashed, totally unnecessary fillers. And of the 10 interesting ones only about 5 (if not less) will be of any (any!) note to Bond-centrics. There is therefore no point in continuing to subscribe only to fill Fabbri's coffers. I believe in loyalty, but it has to be mutual, and Fabbri showed subscribers their loyalty only until the first extension (beyond the original 40) was announced. Then it was just milking us for more money. Therefore the only way further is cherry-picking. I also suppose that Fabbri may still not have decided whether to extend in Australia - after all this is a commercial decision and it is probably not taken lightly. They may want to see what response they get from UK collectors first. I also feel that unless we stop our subscriptions, Fabbri will continue to extend until every single vehicle shown for any amount of time in every Bond movie has been covered. I am simply not interested in that.
I have no doubt that there may indeed be some interesting stuff remaining, however the extension is supposed to be 20 issues long. Of those, perhaps only 10 will be the "interesting stuff", and the rest just bland, rehashed, totally unnecessary fillers. And of the 10 interesting ones only about 5 (if not less) will be of any (any!) note to Bond-centrics. There is therefore no point in continuing to subscribe only to fill Fabbri's coffers. I believe in loyalty, but it has to be mutual, and Fabbri showed subscribers their loyalty only until the first extension (beyond the original 40) was announced. Then it was just milking us for more money. Therefore the only way further is cherry-picking. I also suppose that Fabbri may still not have decided whether to extend in Australia - after all this is a commercial decision and it is probably not taken lightly. They may want to see what response they get from UK collectors first. I also feel that unless we stop our subscriptions, Fabbri will continue to extend until every single vehicle shown for any amount of time in every Bond movie has been covered. I am simply not interested in that.
Totally. I'm going to wait and see the first few newbies then decided. The TB TB is a joke, any more and I'll seriously think of cancelling. Unfortunately we have pretty much caught up to the UK so we'll have to make our decisions pretty soon. It also depends on whether my 4 replacements, plus the 2 new ones arrive safe and uncracked. If they offer me other issues to just change the case then I'll tell them where to go. I don't open my cars up so they don't help much!
Ok I think we all agree Gefabbri have totally misjudged their subscribers. The have /hope had a wake up call with the TB. The back lash after quite a positive reaction to the 20 car extention speaks volumes. Another issue like this could see many more subscribers cancel. This would obviously be at detrement to the continuation of the collection. Until we have confirmation which in all fairness is likely I suggest subscribers hang fire before taking any action. Gefabbri need to do damage control and get a positive spin back on this and give us an insight of what lies ahead. I remember looking ahead to the collection in the 20's when issues would change order or even be withdrawn. It is not impossible for gefabbri to withdraw this issue. Based on the feedback on here alone I would. May avoid another a mass subscriber retreat.
Movie carfan will add to your list when I return homecheers
I think it's good that we have caught up with the UK, and actually look forward to cancelling soon. The only thing to stop me is if Fabbri withdraw the TB and offer it as a free subscriber gift - and guarantee more such free gifts.
I have no doubt that there may indeed be some interesting stuff remaining, however the extension is supposed to be 20 issues long. Of those, perhaps only 10 will be the "interesting stuff", and the rest just bland, rehashed, totally unnecessary fillers. And of the 10 interesting ones only about 5 (if not less) will be of any (any!) note to Bond-centrics. [...] Fabbri showed subscribers their loyalty only until the first extension (beyond the original 40) was announced. Then it was just milking us for more money.
I found p. 133 very interesting: D110 added the stars from IMCDB to our wishlist. I was really surprised that there are still so many three-star vehicles left. You'd think that after 110 issues there could only be fillers left but not so many cars with quite an important part in the film. Some cars are over- or underrated by a star or so but in general their star system gives a good indication of a car's importance. (And of course a ** car can still be a great model, be it because the car is interesting or beautiful or the diorama is an eyecatcher.)
So I checked the stars for the 117 vehicles we already had and know of: 110 issues, three gifts and four of the extension (three from the letter and the TB T-Bird): We had 2 ***** models, 13 ****, 63 ***, 32 **, 1 * and 6 "trains and boats and planes" which are unrated by IMCDB (but seem to fall in the *** category).
So the vast majority gets *** and **, with 15 being very important and luckily only one * (the GT40 ...). We have only two ***** (both models being the GF DB5) as IMCDB denies the Esprit and Vanquish ***** status.
So let's check if most of the ** vehicles are included near the end, scraping the barrel so to speak, or if ** and *** vehicles are spread equally throughout the collection as if Fabbri were planning from very early on that the collection would continue and continue and continue ...
Issues 1-10 (plus I am including the three gifts here)
***** 1
**** 5
*** 6
- 1
The collection starts off with a bang as would be expected, the only ***** Bond car DB5 plus five **** (which include the free T-55 tank), important *** cars and the unrated Little Nellie.
11-20
**** 5
*** 4
** 1
Again a strong lineup, with the first ** creeping in at #19 (MGB).
21-30
***** 1
**** 2
*** 5
** 2
The second ***** model - but not a highlight, the third DB5 in 25 issues. I remember people asking back then how Fabbri would manage even 40 issues.
Still two **** cars, but two ** indicate the beginning of spreading more important cars apart. But we still got very nice dioramas, with the OP Mercedes, Tuk Tuk and AMC Hornet as examples.
31-40
*** 7
** 3
41-50
**** 1
*** 4
** 5
The last **** car, #44 AMC Matador, and five ** indicating that Fabbri had decided on far, far more issues than the official 60 by then.
51-60
*** 5
** 4
* 1
The only * car in the collection, the GT40. Widely criticized because it was also an ugly model, thankfully we have not seen another * to date (the TB T-Bird has **...)
61-70
*** 7
** 3
71-80
*** 6
** 4
81-90
*** 3
** 4
- 3
Three non-cars (Q Boat, Parahawk, Acrostar) within ten issues is unusual but they don't fall in the "filler" category. If given *** each we have the expected ca. 2:1 ratio of *** to ** vehicles as with the 20 issues before.
91-100
*** 8
** 1
- 1
Eight *** is unusually high, with only one ** car (but a very good model: the Binz ambulance)
101-110
*** 6
** 3
- 1
Again 2 ***:1 **. Given that we have 14 *** in our wishlist the last time I counted, plus still some **** vehicles left (the LTK Kenworth and the GE DB5 which is not on the list) I think that Fabbri planned to go up to 150 issues. (I have not counted the LaFrance and AEC bus as I think these are too big to be included in 1/43 or 1/50, however the LTK tractor without trailer would be possible, given the low price of the 1/43 New Ray trucks.) But with the negative response following the T-Bird and without doubt many subscribers now cancelling ... who knows?
And finally: Some films are very underrepresented which may be considered when choosing cars for the extension. I certainly wouldn't mind if some special attention were given to the cars from LTK and FRWL.
With 117 models we have an average of 5.3 cars per film, with Bond 23 included it will be a little lower as I don't see them making five, six cars from the film.
9 GF, QOS
7 OP, DAD, CR
6 DN, OHMSS, LALD, FYEO, AVTAK, TLD, GE
5 TB, DAF, TSWLM
4 MR, TWINE
3 YOLT, TMWTGG, TND
2 FRWL, LTK
I've just collected the Impala and my issue doesn't contain any letter stating the extention of the collection yet.What can I say about the Impala,Its a well made model of a big blue American car,nothing more.
well im sick of been ripped of by this when i first started they said it would be only 50 issues then it went to 85 so i phoned them and they said it was now going to 110 so i said before i start to buy these can you email me and tell me it will not go beyond 110 they sent me an email saying the final issue will be 110 now i have been told they are going to 130 how can they get away with this.so i have decided to sell all of my 107issues not one of them has been read i have all the bonus cars all still it the boxes every think is brand new nothing has been touched they cost me £855 i will take £650 if any wants then they can email me at kennychadwicksafc@yahoo.co.uk
Again 2 ***:1 **. Given that we have 14 *** in our wishlist the last time I counted, plus still some **** vehicles left (the LTK Kenworth and the GE DB5 which is not on the list) I think that Fabbri planned to go up to 150 issues. (I have not counted the LaFrance and AEC bus as I think these are too big to be included in 1/43 or 1/50, however the LTK tractor without trailer would be possible, given the low price of the 1/43 New Ray trucks.) But with the negative response following the T-Bird and without doubt many subscribers now cancelling ... who knows?
Rainier, the GE DB5 is on the list above under 'Using Existing Moulds' along with the CR version.
Neat analysis there, RW, thanks for sharing. It certainly looks as though this extension can run on quite a bit without dropping into insignificant model territory.
Unfortunately for me, besides the Niva, the only other car I would personally still like to see in this collection also from TWINE is one of those 1* ones
@Winnie: it's going to be really interesting to see what Issue 110 says at the back about the next model when comes out in 4 weeks time - I can't wait!
I walked into an antique toy shop. I saw an original "Kissy Suzuki Toyata - corgi car number 336 - still in the box" toy car. The price was about £200.
Really? Is that what people pay for this toy car? Or, was the shop keeper quite mad?
I've just collected the Impala and my issue doesn't contain any letter stating the extention of the collection yet.
My experiance is that you will only get the letter if you are a subscriber. I take it that you purchase through a retail outlet? and therefore not get any letter. I did buy through a Newsagents before subscribing and when a previous extetion was announced I asked why no letter. GE Fabbri came back with the answer we only send letters to our subscribers and not thoes that purchase through Newsagents! because there are two differant distribution channels, One for Subscribers and the other for Newsagents.
I walked into an antique toy shop. I saw an original "Kissy Suzuki Toyata - corgi car number 336 - still in the box" toy car. The price was about £200.
Really? Is that what people pay for this toy car? Or, was the shop keeper quite mad?
IF the car, box outer and inner are mint - in other words, '100% factory fresh' and all the instruction leaflets etc are still there, the model could fetch £200 or more quite easily (take a look on eBay). Unfortunately neither the re-issue or the Fabbri version will see that sort of value for a long, long time if at all.
I have no doubt that there may indeed be some interesting stuff remaining, however the extension is supposed to be 20 issues long. Of those, perhaps only 10 will be the "interesting stuff", and the rest just bland, rehashed, totally unnecessary fillers. And of the 10 interesting ones only about 5 (if not less) will be of any (any!) note to Bond-centrics. There is therefore no point in continuing to subscribe only to fill Fabbri's coffers. I believe in loyalty, but it has to be mutual, and Fabbri showed subscribers their loyalty only until the first extension (beyond the original 40) was announced. Then it was just milking us for more money. Therefore the only way further is cherry-picking. I also suppose that Fabbri may still not have decided whether to extend in Australia - after all this is a commercial decision and it is probably not taken lightly. They may want to see what response they get from UK collectors first. I also feel that unless we stop our subscriptions, Fabbri will continue to extend until every single vehicle shown for any amount of time in every Bond movie has been covered. I am simply not interested in that.
Jag, I actually didn't advocate continuing to subscribe. All I said was that, out of 20 issues, you have to figure that there will be some models of interest with at least interesting new subjects. Sorry if you misinterpreted that. I would actually encourage cherry-picking from here on, extension or no extension. If anything, it would perhaps shake Fabbri enough to stop lazily accepting filler.
I also agree with you very much regarding Fabbri unsure whether to extend in Australia. Granted, they don't seem to have much time to decide, but they do have some extra time; realistically up to a month. I also don't think Bissett is a subsidiary of Fabbri (at least looking at their body of work regarding partworks of all kinds that DeAgostini published), and perhaps the recent doubts have gotten them worried/wanting to pull out, so that's a second explanation. Still, a lot can happen in a month, including leaking more models onto wikipedia for all we know or even revealing all the details to Bissett to keep them onboard. However, if Bissett is onboard and it's Fabbri making the decision to pull out...well, that would make it much less likely that Fabbri releases anything past 110 in Australia.
I've just collected the Impala and my issue doesn't contain any letter stating the extention of the collection yet.What can I say about the Impala,Its a well made model of a big blue American car,nothing more.
I believe the poster who put the text of the letter up had said that only subscribers would get the letter.
It is not impossible for gefabbri to withdraw this issue.
Aside from agreeing 100% with the other sentiments in your post, they have to release it somehow. They COULD give it away as a free subscriber gift, but then the entire point of the car seemed to be buying time until another issue could be released. In other words, they'd just have to re-use a mould all over again. Granted, they could have UH make a CR DB5 and and that way solve more than a few problems (explain away the lack of figures due to licensing problems and, if they're smart, have UH turn out a good diorama to make up for it...plus the DB5 mould I don't believe would change) OR a Vantage minus skids and with 4 tires (though we may unfortunately get a lackluster diorama out of that), but that's the only way I can see it.
I found p. 133 very interesting: D110 added the stars from IMCDB to our wishlist. I was really surprised that there are still so many three-star vehicles left. You'd think that after 110 issues there could only be fillers left but not so many cars with quite an important part in the film. Some cars are over- or underrated by a star or so but in general their star system gives a good indication of a car's importance. (And of course a ** car can still be a great model, be it because the car is interesting or beautiful or the diorama is an eyecatcher.)
Thanks very much for one of the best posts I've seen on this thread in a LONG time. The timeline is brilliantly executed.
So the vast majority gets *** and **, with 15 being very important and luckily only one * (the GT40 ...). We have only two ***** (both models being the GF DB5) as IMCDB denies the Esprit and Vanquish ***** status.
They gave the Esprit 4 stars? Ouch, somebody was a bit harsh on that car.
(I have not counted the LaFrance and AEC bus as I think these are too big to be included in 1/43 or 1/50, however the LTK tractor without trailer would be possible, given the low price of the 1/43 New Ray trucks.)
I completely agree with this and have long wondered if the whole "we're not releasing the LALD bus sans top deck because of the bus bombings" was a bit of a cop-out and that they couldn't get it to fit into a case, though HAD developed the actual model, possibly in 1/50 scale.
And finally: Some films are very underrepresented which may be considered when choosing cars for the extension. I certainly wouldn't mind if some special attention were given to the cars from LTK and FRWL.
With 117 models we have an average of 5.3 cars per film, with Bond 23 included it will be a little lower as I don't see them making five, six cars from the film.
9 GF, QOS
7 OP, DAD, CR
6 DN, OHMSS, LALD, FYEO, AVTAK, TLD, GE
5 TB, DAF, TSWLM
4 MR, TWINE
3 YOLT, TMWTGG, TND
2 FRWL, LTK
Very interesting breakdown. I too am hoping for more from LTK, especially when you consider just how many cars had four-star (the Kenworth) or three-star ratings from IMCDB in that film. Not one of the oft-asked-for latter (the Lincoln, the Dodge Ram Pickup, the Jeep CJ-7) even has a model in 1/43, either, despite the latter two models especially being true classics that would not only serve the movie well, but which I imagine Ixo would probably be more than willing to do. As for the Kenworth Cab, Ixo does seem to have plinths that it could make into dioramas big enough for this one. To be fair, there's really only two glaring omissions from FRWL (as opposed to arguably five from LTK...I don't remember who made it, but the Japanese drug dealers' luxury car got a fair amount of screen time): Kerim Bey's Roller and the beloved, everyone-wants-to-see-it Chevy 1-Ton Stakebed Truck "One-Tonner" (I was wrong when I said it was a 30-Series earlier...that was GMC's designation for the same truck with a different grille...Chevy actually called it the "1-Ton", though the nickname "One-Tonner" stuck with both models). One could also make a case for the Ford Ranch Wagon, although one would be sort of stuck with regards to the diorama: it gets most of its screen time as a two-door wagon. However, in a continuity error, Bond steps out of the four-door version. Solution: if we're to add it (and, MovieCarFan, I'd certainly like to see it more than Largo's T-Bird, so you can put it on the wishlist), I would go with the railroad crossing diorama with Kerim Bey's sons.
TND mostly focused on non-cars, with the BMW bike getting most of the attention. However, whoever made this would have to make it well...just look at the reaction to the Kawasaki from TSWLM. TMWTGG actually did have more than a few good cars, and at one point, the '74 Matador Sedan "Thai Police Car" was actually on the list. These are difficult cars to model due to the grille, but if Ixo put themselves to work at it, I think they could get it right. YOLT just lacked cars that played an important role (although it certainly did not lack cars); hence my suggestion of the Dodge Polara 500 if we're to see another car from that film.
@Winnie: it's going to be really interesting to see what Issue 110 says at the back about the next model when comes out in 4 weeks time - I can't wait!
Ditto here! I'm wondering if they don't force Ixo's hand due to the overwhelmingly negative reception of the model thus far. After all, Ixo did have a mould I forgot about...
Look familiar? It is only the 280SE, not the 450SEL, but it's still the W116 series (i.e. the original S-Class). With a few tweaks, Ixo turns that car into Locque's Mercedes-Benz...which has already been announced...quite easily. The VAZ-2106 St. Petersburg Militsia GAI would also be very easy to do, though I would think the 450SEL would be easier due to not having to make a completely new lightbar and just changing some of the trim, badging, and color. Here's to hoping a variant of THAT car is what we see for 111, and not the TB T-Bird.
I'll put my hand up and be the "Kiwi Contributor."
I've been following this Forum for about a year and have read it from the beginning.
We receive 2 editions at the end of each month and in July we received nos. 81 and 82.
So according to my maths, we'll get, what you are getting now, in about October 2012 !
This delay will probably mean a seamless flow through to no. 130 and beyond !
Ah, nothing like biffing another piece of speculation into the mix.
The Distributor of the collection in NZ is excellent and they replace damaged cases and magazines without question. In fact, if you get one broken case, they usually send you about 4.
This is the first time that I have tackled such a collection and it will probably be my last but I still look forward to the end of each month.
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i noticed moviecarfan has a pic of jb 109 of which i dont mind him/her using as this is on my ebay auction page
i check the wikipeadia page and fabbrii has updated the issue to 130
just to let you all know
Just wondering if it had been marketed in the same way as the UK. I would have thought the reception in Oz would have been as strong as the UK unless the price has been too prohibitive. I'm sure there's plenty of petrol heads/ Bond fans down under!
Bearded and ugly last time I looked in the mirror so I hope I'm male 8-)
I actually got the pic off a French forum so I think it was probably grabbed the instant you listed your Impala. Do you have any more pics of it you can post?
Well from what we can see the Impala looks brilliant. Can't wait. I am eagerly waiting my delivery as mentioned before this months subscription has left my account.
im waiting for 108 - 109 from the distributor which is my personal collection
Can you confirm what issue 110 is ? Is it the damaged Aston :-( as we all anticipate it is going to be?
Wikipedia doesnt have more than next three models already discussed here yet - unless I am looking in the wrong place.
I am not sure that it is just the subscribers keeping this alive. The newstand orders for the US models like hearses and Country Squire must have been huge if you look at how many have crossed the Atlantic. Making a "pig's ear" of LArgo's TBird will certainly cut down those sales which would have been substantialif the car was right. As a picker and chooser unless there is an easy way to modify it I will skip it.
On IXO - IMHO they would never make this mistake their generations of Zhiguli and Volga cars for example strive very hard to update all the badging, bunpers, grilles etc. To be fair even UH stuff for Altaya in France shows major changes in Renault 4 for example so they can do it. Frankly I think that Fabbri have to decide what is made and sign off the pre-prod samples and they are sloppy. No-one is holding them over a barrel to finish this series which might have been the case pre-110 but they extended it themselves and they are responsible for what is produced.
Like I say I pick and choose and I wont bother with damaged Aston or TBird unless released car has modified grille and rear lights when it actually appears. Dodge and Uaz look more promising but about time we had a proper list of what is coming even if some places are just Bond 23 car.
110 - September 2011
Aston Martin DBS V12 (crash damaged) (UH)
Quantum of Solace
Bond with Mr. White in the trunk chased by the Alfas. No door.
confirmed - release # unknown
Ford Thunderbird (UH)
Thunderball
Largo's car as he attends a SPECTRE meeting in Paris.
confirmed - release # unknown
Dodge M43 ambulance (w/laser gun) (Ixo)
Goldfinger
Assault on Fort Knox.
confirmed - release # unknown
Mercedes-Benz 450SEL (Ixo)
For Your Eyes Only
Locque's car. Diorama setting unknown.
confirmed - release # unknown
VAZ-2106 (Ixo)
The gravel road's a bit basic but seems to tie in with the dirt road shown going off into the distance on the background card pretty well. Looks good overall IMHO. and certainly fills the box - I'll be ordering one
http://imcdb.org/vehicle_18804-Ford-Ranch-Wagon-1960.html
At the gipsy camp
http://imcdb.org/vehicle_19078-Lincoln-Continental-1965.html
http://imcdb.org/vehicle_18617-Ford-Escort-1968.html
http://imcdb.org/vehicle_12573-Rolls-Royce-Silver-Shadow-I-1969.html
At Lisl's house
http://imcdb.org/vehicle_3123-Mercedes-Benz-W115-1968.html
That's another 5 cars they don't need to make a diorama for 8-)
MASTER WISHLIST OF NEW MODELS:
DN 1961 Chevrolet Impala Four-Door Sedan (This was Felix's Chase Car)
DN 1959 Austin A55 Cambridge Jamaican Taxi
FRWL Chevy 1-Ton Stakebed Truck
FRWL Kerim Bey's Rolls-Royce Silver Wraith
GF Merc 180 bad guys pursuit car
GF Merc 220S Odd Job car
GF WW2 Willys Jeep
TB 1964 Lincoln Continental Lehmann-Peterson stretch limo
TB 1965 Lincoln Continental 4-door convertible (top up)
TB Fiona Volpe's BSA motorcycle
TB Bomb Sled with Tow Sled outriders
YOLT 1964 Dodge Polara 500 Sedan
OHMSS 1968 Ford Escort Mk. I Rallye
OHMSS Draco's Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow convertible
OHMSS Bobsleds
DAF Ford LVPD police car (blue/white)
DAF 1971 Ford Thunderbird
DAF Honda tricycle from Moonbuggy chase
DAF Bathosub
DAF Merc 600 grösse
LALD AEC REGENT Bus without top deck
LALD Power boat crashed into side of Sheriff Pepper's car
LALD 1973 Chevy Bel Air Louisiana State Police
TMWTGG 1974 AMC Matador Sedan "Thai Police Car"
TSWLM Wetbike with RM figure
MR Shuttle
MR Cable Car
FYEO 1974 Mercedes-Benz 450SEL
OP 1977 (i.e. second generation) Scaldia-Volga M24 Luxe Sedan
AVTAK American LaFrance Fire engine
AVTAK 1984 Jeep Cherokee
TLD Audi 200 Avant (but please a real 200 and no Audi V8 clone)
TLD Wales & Edwards Rangemaster Milk Float
TLD 59 Chevy Impala Convertible/ Street Rod
LTK Kenworth
LTK Lincoln Mk. VII Coupe (Felix's Lincoln)
LTK Dodge Ram Pickup
LTK Utilimaster Aeromaster Van
GE UAZ-469B/UAZ-31512 4x4
GE VAZ-2106 Sedan St. Petersburg Militsia GAI
GE Cagiva 350 with Bond on it (chasing the plane)
TND BMW R1200C bike
TWINE Lada Niva
DAD Invisible Aston Martin Vanquish
DAD Rocket sled
CR Tanker Truck, battered under the wing of the Skyfleet prototype.
CR Ford Mondeo
CR 2005 Škoda Octavia Police
CR Chevrolet G-Series Van (With DC on back before he jumps fence)
CR International 4900 fuel truck (with DC on roof)
CR Airport passenger bus or baggage trailer.
USING EXISTING MOULDS:
OHMSS VW Beetle as the OP or QOS one.
LALD Mini Moke as a variant from YOLT or TSWLM
TLD Aston Martin V8 Vantage without skids
GE Ferrari F355 as the DAD one
GF Aston Martin DB5 as another GE/CR variant
SPECIALS:
DAD Supercars in paddy field
Diecast007 - I couldn't find your 'specials' suggestions, can you add them?
So essentially boiling down to "yes and no"? Again I ask: are you serious?
Disagreeing with us is one thing. Actually going into full sarcasm mode and saying "your idea is bad" with literally no logic behind it whatsoever is attacking an idea. And FWIW, you neither attacked me or MovieCarFan; it was just our ideas...there's a significant difference you seem to have missed.
Is that the sound of a dead horse being beaten, I hear? It's not the statement itself, really...it's that you blatantly aimed it at me...
Sigh...well, I DIDN'T notice much about this particular car. It wasn't memorable to me in any way, shape, or form OTHER THAN the following: I had heard rumors that it was the literal same car as the '64 model from GF; a sort of a tip of the cap by EON. Naturally, this rumor proved untrue. However, if you look at a totally unrelated post (3401 on this thread, top of the page), you'll see that I saw Thunderball on TV again about two months ago...in early June. And, if you'll notice, I took a closer look at the cars... 8-)
Oh well...typical lousy Ixo diorama, typical lack of figures, though the car had been under development for a while and it looks like they changed the mould a bit (windows and side mirror look quite different than the factory rejects we saw from Hong Kong and China proper). At least they made a good car.
I'll second the welcome to AussieSubscriber and Jag, I would guess there probably is some interesting stuff remaining. With the near-whiplash the TB T-Bird has caused and the nagative backlash you describe in Australia, plus the reaction in the UK also mentioned that people were disappointed the collection continued and Fabbri was surprised, I'm guessing they'll step their efforts up.
Yes, I believe they use a fulfillment service, though I can't recall the name of it.
Completely agreed. I think the sales of the more detailed cars that appealed to American buyers (and I'm including the Impala in this) as well as the unbelievable price spikes we saw for the Soviet/Russian cars (ZAZ-965A and GAZ-31029 from GE, ZIL-117 from CR, and even the cut-in-half Lada 1500 from TLD) spoiled them somewhat.
Again, I completely agree with this and second it all the way. Ixo doesn't screw up their cars too badly. They get minute details wrong here and there (as we noted, the missing Ford logo on the tailgate of the Country Squire, the ride height of the La Salle/Miller Hearse being too low, the missing Ford badges and not-quite-right-though-not-terrible taillights on the Ford Consul, etc.), but nothing too terribly egregious or lazy that we've seen. The last time they did do so in a partwork, they REALLY went out of their way to correct the mould in the re-release, I know. UH as of late? I can't say the same. But then why is Fabbri approving their stuff? I'd like to know why. As I said, I think they've been spoiled, but they can't be just sitting on their laurels not planning on changing anything AT ALL.
Totally. I'm going to wait and see the first few newbies then decided. The TB TB is a joke, any more and I'll seriously think of cancelling. Unfortunately we have pretty much caught up to the UK so we'll have to make our decisions pretty soon. It also depends on whether my 4 replacements, plus the 2 new ones arrive safe and uncracked. If they offer me other issues to just change the case then I'll tell them where to go. I don't open my cars up so they don't help much!
Movie carfan will add to your list when I return homecheers
So I checked the stars for the 117 vehicles we already had and know of: 110 issues, three gifts and four of the extension (three from the letter and the TB T-Bird): We had 2 ***** models, 13 ****, 63 ***, 32 **, 1 * and 6 "trains and boats and planes" which are unrated by IMCDB (but seem to fall in the *** category).
So the vast majority gets *** and **, with 15 being very important and luckily only one * (the GT40 ...). We have only two ***** (both models being the GF DB5) as IMCDB denies the Esprit and Vanquish ***** status.
So let's check if most of the ** vehicles are included near the end, scraping the barrel so to speak, or if ** and *** vehicles are spread equally throughout the collection as if Fabbri were planning from very early on that the collection would continue and continue and continue ...
Issues 1-10 (plus I am including the three gifts here)
***** 1
**** 5
*** 6
- 1
The collection starts off with a bang as would be expected, the only ***** Bond car DB5 plus five **** (which include the free T-55 tank), important *** cars and the unrated Little Nellie.
11-20
**** 5
*** 4
** 1
Again a strong lineup, with the first ** creeping in at #19 (MGB).
21-30
***** 1
**** 2
*** 5
** 2
The second ***** model - but not a highlight, the third DB5 in 25 issues. I remember people asking back then how Fabbri would manage even 40 issues.
Still two **** cars, but two ** indicate the beginning of spreading more important cars apart. But we still got very nice dioramas, with the OP Mercedes, Tuk Tuk and AMC Hornet as examples.
31-40
*** 7
** 3
41-50
**** 1
*** 4
** 5
The last **** car, #44 AMC Matador, and five ** indicating that Fabbri had decided on far, far more issues than the official 60 by then.
51-60
*** 5
** 4
* 1
The only * car in the collection, the GT40. Widely criticized because it was also an ugly model, thankfully we have not seen another * to date (the TB T-Bird has **...)
61-70
*** 7
** 3
71-80
*** 6
** 4
81-90
*** 3
** 4
- 3
Three non-cars (Q Boat, Parahawk, Acrostar) within ten issues is unusual but they don't fall in the "filler" category. If given *** each we have the expected ca. 2:1 ratio of *** to ** vehicles as with the 20 issues before.
91-100
*** 8
** 1
- 1
Eight *** is unusually high, with only one ** car (but a very good model: the Binz ambulance)
101-110
*** 6
** 3
- 1
Again 2 ***:1 **. Given that we have 14 *** in our wishlist the last time I counted, plus still some **** vehicles left (the LTK Kenworth and the GE DB5 which is not on the list) I think that Fabbri planned to go up to 150 issues. (I have not counted the LaFrance and AEC bus as I think these are too big to be included in 1/43 or 1/50, however the LTK tractor without trailer would be possible, given the low price of the 1/43 New Ray trucks.) But with the negative response following the T-Bird and without doubt many subscribers now cancelling ... who knows?
And finally: Some films are very underrepresented which may be considered when choosing cars for the extension. I certainly wouldn't mind if some special attention were given to the cars from LTK and FRWL.
With 117 models we have an average of 5.3 cars per film, with Bond 23 included it will be a little lower as I don't see them making five, six cars from the film.
9 GF, QOS
7 OP, DAD, CR
6 DN, OHMSS, LALD, FYEO, AVTAK, TLD, GE
5 TB, DAF, TSWLM
4 MR, TWINE
3 YOLT, TMWTGG, TND
2 FRWL, LTK
Rainier, the GE DB5 is on the list above under 'Using Existing Moulds' along with the CR version.
Unfortunately for me, besides the Niva, the only other car I would personally still like to see in this collection also from TWINE is one of those 1* ones
@Winnie: it's going to be really interesting to see what Issue 110 says at the back about the next model when comes out in 4 weeks time - I can't wait!
Edit:
Altered grammar to clarify meaning.
Can I ask anoff topic question?
I walked into an antique toy shop. I saw an original "Kissy Suzuki Toyata - corgi car number 336 - still in the box" toy car. The price was about £200.
Really? Is that what people pay for this toy car? Or, was the shop keeper quite mad?
My experiance is that you will only get the letter if you are a subscriber. I take it that you purchase through a retail outlet? and therefore not get any letter. I did buy through a Newsagents before subscribing and when a previous extetion was announced I asked why no letter. GE Fabbri came back with the answer we only send letters to our subscribers and not thoes that purchase through Newsagents! because there are two differant distribution channels, One for Subscribers and the other for Newsagents.
IF the car, box outer and inner are mint - in other words, '100% factory fresh' and all the instruction leaflets etc are still there, the model could fetch £200 or more quite easily (take a look on eBay). Unfortunately neither the re-issue or the Fabbri version will see that sort of value for a long, long time if at all.
Jag, I actually didn't advocate continuing to subscribe. All I said was that, out of 20 issues, you have to figure that there will be some models of interest with at least interesting new subjects. Sorry if you misinterpreted that. I would actually encourage cherry-picking from here on, extension or no extension. If anything, it would perhaps shake Fabbri enough to stop lazily accepting filler.
I also agree with you very much regarding Fabbri unsure whether to extend in Australia. Granted, they don't seem to have much time to decide, but they do have some extra time; realistically up to a month. I also don't think Bissett is a subsidiary of Fabbri (at least looking at their body of work regarding partworks of all kinds that DeAgostini published), and perhaps the recent doubts have gotten them worried/wanting to pull out, so that's a second explanation. Still, a lot can happen in a month, including leaking more models onto wikipedia for all we know or even revealing all the details to Bissett to keep them onboard. However, if Bissett is onboard and it's Fabbri making the decision to pull out...well, that would make it much less likely that Fabbri releases anything past 110 in Australia.
I believe the poster who put the text of the letter up had said that only subscribers would get the letter.
Aside from agreeing 100% with the other sentiments in your post, they have to release it somehow. They COULD give it away as a free subscriber gift, but then the entire point of the car seemed to be buying time until another issue could be released. In other words, they'd just have to re-use a mould all over again. Granted, they could have UH make a CR DB5 and and that way solve more than a few problems (explain away the lack of figures due to licensing problems and, if they're smart, have UH turn out a good diorama to make up for it...plus the DB5 mould I don't believe would change) OR a Vantage minus skids and with 4 tires (though we may unfortunately get a lackluster diorama out of that), but that's the only way I can see it.
Thanks very much for one of the best posts I've seen on this thread in a LONG time. The timeline is brilliantly executed.
They gave the Esprit 4 stars? Ouch, somebody was a bit harsh on that car.
I completely agree with this and have long wondered if the whole "we're not releasing the LALD bus sans top deck because of the bus bombings" was a bit of a cop-out and that they couldn't get it to fit into a case, though HAD developed the actual model, possibly in 1/50 scale.
Very interesting breakdown. I too am hoping for more from LTK, especially when you consider just how many cars had four-star (the Kenworth) or three-star ratings from IMCDB in that film. Not one of the oft-asked-for latter (the Lincoln, the Dodge Ram Pickup, the Jeep CJ-7) even has a model in 1/43, either, despite the latter two models especially being true classics that would not only serve the movie well, but which I imagine Ixo would probably be more than willing to do. As for the Kenworth Cab, Ixo does seem to have plinths that it could make into dioramas big enough for this one. To be fair, there's really only two glaring omissions from FRWL (as opposed to arguably five from LTK...I don't remember who made it, but the Japanese drug dealers' luxury car got a fair amount of screen time): Kerim Bey's Roller and the beloved, everyone-wants-to-see-it Chevy 1-Ton Stakebed Truck "One-Tonner" (I was wrong when I said it was a 30-Series earlier...that was GMC's designation for the same truck with a different grille...Chevy actually called it the "1-Ton", though the nickname "One-Tonner" stuck with both models). One could also make a case for the Ford Ranch Wagon, although one would be sort of stuck with regards to the diorama: it gets most of its screen time as a two-door wagon. However, in a continuity error, Bond steps out of the four-door version. Solution: if we're to add it (and, MovieCarFan, I'd certainly like to see it more than Largo's T-Bird, so you can put it on the wishlist), I would go with the railroad crossing diorama with Kerim Bey's sons.
TND mostly focused on non-cars, with the BMW bike getting most of the attention. However, whoever made this would have to make it well...just look at the reaction to the Kawasaki from TSWLM. TMWTGG actually did have more than a few good cars, and at one point, the '74 Matador Sedan "Thai Police Car" was actually on the list. These are difficult cars to model due to the grille, but if Ixo put themselves to work at it, I think they could get it right. YOLT just lacked cars that played an important role (although it certainly did not lack cars); hence my suggestion of the Dodge Polara 500 if we're to see another car from that film.
Ditto here! I'm wondering if they don't force Ixo's hand due to the overwhelmingly negative reception of the model thus far. After all, Ixo did have a mould I forgot about...
http://www.mb143.ru/assets/images/models/15/DSC09574_800.jpg
Look familiar? It is only the 280SE, not the 450SEL, but it's still the W116 series (i.e. the original S-Class). With a few tweaks, Ixo turns that car into Locque's Mercedes-Benz...which has already been announced...quite easily. The VAZ-2106 St. Petersburg Militsia GAI would also be very easy to do, though I would think the 450SEL would be easier due to not having to make a completely new lightbar and just changing some of the trim, badging, and color. Here's to hoping a variant of THAT car is what we see for 111, and not the TB T-Bird.
I've been following this Forum for about a year and have read it from the beginning.
We receive 2 editions at the end of each month and in July we received nos. 81 and 82.
So according to my maths, we'll get, what you are getting now, in about October 2012 !
This delay will probably mean a seamless flow through to no. 130 and beyond !
Ah, nothing like biffing another piece of speculation into the mix.
The Distributor of the collection in NZ is excellent and they replace damaged cases and magazines without question. In fact, if you get one broken case, they usually send you about 4.
This is the first time that I have tackled such a collection and it will probably be my last but I still look forward to the end of each month.
The Collection was initially advertised on TV and in Newspapers.