James Bond Car Collection - Questions and praise

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  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    Here's the magazine Fact mentioned, as currently shown on the 'Model Collector' website:

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    Goes on sale in the UK 11th November £4.99. Probably be a fair number of James Bond models included and it's written by Dominic Borrelli, who seems to know his stuff, and IMHO, is a lot more interesting than most Die-Cast magazine writers.
  • FACTFACT Station ZPosts: 320MI6 Agent
    Yes, that's the one.
    I also like Dominic's articles, and his monthly model reviews.

    I only get Model Collector as Diecast Collector isn't distributed in my country, but I don't remember seeing any articles on the JBCC. Partworks in general featured in a recent article on plugging the gaps in one's collection and some JBCC examples were used, and I also remember the JBCC DB5 being featured in an article on models of that particular car.

    And no, MC isn't as bus-biased as it apparently was under Richard West's editorship.

    Although I don't get it (unfortunately the postage is a bit steep for overseas), I know Maz has written at least one article on the JBCC for the subscriptions-only magazine, Model Auto Review.
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    FACT wrote:
    Yes, that's the one.
    I also like Dominic's articles, and his monthly model reviews.

    I only get Model Collector as Diecast Collector isn't distributed in my country, but I don't remember seeing any articles on the JBCC. Partworks in general featured in a recent article on plugging the gaps in one's collection and some JBCC examples were used, and I also remember the JBCC DB5 being featured in an article on models of that particular car.

    And no, MC isn't as bus-biased as it apparently was under Richard West's editorship.

    Although I don't get it (unfortunately the postage is a bit steep for overseas), I know Maz has written at least one article on the JBCC for the subscriptions-only magazine, Model Auto Review.

    To be fair, buses aren't quite so prevalent in Model Collector's features these days. It used to be almost a bus collectors' mag at one time. Personally I prefer MC to DieCast Collector, mostly for Dominic Borrelli's reviews but also it just seems more lively in general.
    I wonder if we could see Maz's JBCC article? Is there a link, or Maz, if you're reading this, are you allowed to post it??
  • Rainier WolfcastleRainier Wolfcastle Posts: 484MI6 Agent
    Jag wrote:
    OK guys, here's some news. I have requested a list of models available in the extension (111-130) so that I could decide whether to keep my subscription or not. Bissett have been very helpful and obliging (as usual) and sent me the list. Of course, they explained that it is a planned list and subject to change. But no doubt that will give us all an idea... what do you think?

    1965 Ford Thunderbird TB
    1968 Mercedes Benz (W115) TMWTGG
    VAZ 2106 Zhiguli – militsia police car GE
    1974 Mercedes Benz 450 SEL FYEO
    1975 Austin FX4 OP
    1959 Austin A55 Cambridge Dr. No
    1956 Mercedes Benz 220 S GF
    1964 Lincoln Continental Stretched Limo TB
    1986 Lada Niva VAZ-2121L TWINE
    Lada VAZ-2105 TLD
    1968 Mercedes Benz 200D FYEO
    Volga M-24 OP
    Dodge M-43 Ambulance – the laser carrying vehicle GF
    1959 Plymouth Savoy – (Istanbul taxi) FRWL
    1973 Chevrolet Bel Air LALD
    1986 Dodge Ram LTK
    1961 Chevrolet 30 Series 1-Ton truck FRWL
    1964 Morris Minor Convertible Thunderball
    1960 Ford Ranch Wagon FRWL
    1986 Wales & Edward Rangemaster – milkfloat TLD
    It appears that the list Jag posted some time ago is in the correct release order - so after the VAZ we will see the 450SEL, hanging on the cliff with a Roger Moore figure about to kick it down :) ... uh, I meant, the 450SEL parked in the driveway ...


    Is the TMWTGG Mercedes indeed a new RHD version?
  • myhandlemyhandle Posts: 124MI6 Agent
    Bond 23 has been announced, and is to be called Skyfall. It's release is in approximately 1 year from now, November 2012.

    Fabbri and co, I know you are listening ... please keep the collection going until Bond 23. I am sure that Minichamps will be doing some kind of licencing deal as well, but if you can keep this actively running from the first to the third Daniel Craig movie, you will have done a great job. I will keep buying your models, even though a few of them have been terrible. Most of them have been good, so good work, and please keep it up.

    It would be good if the Aston Virage, which is essentially a toned down DBS, is the new Bond car, and the new Jaguar CX-16 becomes the bad guys' car, evoking the classic Vanquish and XKR Bond and Zao ice race.
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    Jag wrote:
    OK guys, here's some news. I have requested a list of models available in the extension (111-130) so that I could decide whether to keep my subscription or not. Bissett have been very helpful and obliging (as usual) and sent me the list. Of course, they explained that it is a planned list and subject to change. But no doubt that will give us all an idea... what do you think?

    1965 Ford Thunderbird TB
    1968 Mercedes Benz (W115) TMWTGG
    VAZ 2106 Zhiguli – militsia police car GE
    1974 Mercedes Benz 450 SEL FYEO
    1975 Austin FX4 OP
    1959 Austin A55 Cambridge Dr. No
    1956 Mercedes Benz 220 S GF
    1964 Lincoln Continental Stretched Limo TB
    1986 Lada Niva VAZ-2121L TWINE
    Lada VAZ-2105 TLD
    1968 Mercedes Benz 200D FYEO
    Volga M-24 OP
    Dodge M-43 Ambulance – the laser carrying vehicle GF
    1959 Plymouth Savoy – (Istanbul taxi) FRWL
    1973 Chevrolet Bel Air LALD
    1986 Dodge Ram LTK
    1961 Chevrolet 30 Series 1-Ton truck FRWL
    1964 Morris Minor Convertible Thunderball
    1960 Ford Ranch Wagon FRWL
    1986 Wales & Edward Rangemaster – milkfloat TLD
    It appears that the list Jag posted some time ago is in the correct release order - so after the VAZ we will see the 450SEL, hanging on the cliff with a Roger Moore figure about to kick it down :) ... uh, I meant, the 450SEL parked in the driveway ...


    Is the TMWTGG Mercedes indeed a new RHD version?

    I can't believe a model car collection based on one of the most dynamic, super-charged, imaginative series of movies ever made would seriously end with an empty British milkfloat on a gravel drive, would it? If the JBCC doesn't run to 'Skyfall', (and I sincerely hope it does, Fabbri) couldn't it at least end where it started, back with the DB5? I propose a plain non-gadget version with the Swiss background from Goldfinger, to pair up with the brilliant RR Phantom.
  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    edited November 2011
    Is the TMWTGG Mercedes indeed a new RHD version?

    Yes it is, and I have this on the word of my usual dealer. Granted, the body shell is the old Ixo W115 body shell we're going to see again in left-hand drive for the other FYEO Mercedes-Benz (which I fully plan on converting into a Yugoslavian car I'm lucky enough to have photos of the plates of, but I digress...), but the interior is completely new. Another tip-off that it's RHD is this photo...

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    Note not just the side mirror, but also look closely at the steering column, which we FINALLY are able to see part of.
    By the way, are you gonna eat that?
  • WinnieWinnie Posts: 129MI6 Agent
    I picked up the TMWTGG Mercedes yesterday and it is right-hand drive.Again,no figures,just the usual bland diorama,which is disappointing.But,It is a good model with some nice detailing.I'm no expert,but It looks quite accurate to me.It should please the Carcentrics among us.Again,the Bondcentrics will probably be underwhelmed for the usual reasons.
    A small problem with my model was, one of the hubcaps was wonky,so I removed it and re-glued it.This could be a problem,some of you may encounter when you receive your Mercs.
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,456MI6 Agent
    If this series is still going this time next year, do you anticipate Skyfall vehicles? Including the new Routemaster bus Boris is currently promoting, said to have tickled the fancy of the new Bond team.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    edited November 2011
    If this series is still going this time next year, do you anticipate Skyfall vehicles? Including the new Routemaster bus Boris is currently promoting, said to have tickled the fancy of the new Bond team.

    By my lousy maths, two a month should make the series run for about another 8 or 9 months up to issue 130, by which time Skyfall will no doubt be well under way in terms of merchandise etc - I'm sure Fabbri will be wanting a slice of that action with the JBCC if at all possible. They can easily drop in some models from this forum's wants list if necessary to fill any gaps between 130 and the Skyfall models.

    Can't imagine Boris's Bus will be included, unless it's going to be Craig's new '21st century eco friendly' replacement for the DBS :)
  • WinnieWinnie Posts: 129MI6 Agent
    We are currently receiving one model per month at the moment,unless that is about to change MovieCarFan.That would certainly take the collection past SkyFall.
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    Winnie wrote:
    We are currently receiving one model per month at the moment,unless that is about to change MovieCarFan.That would certainly take the collection past SkyFall.

    If deliveries are that slow now, the collection might run to Bond 24.
  • WinnieWinnie Posts: 129MI6 Agent
    I've been looking at Ixos 1/43 car models on Amazon and they seem quite expensive compared to the JBCC.Are these better quality models in terms of build quality and detail or are you paying extra for the limited number produced?The JBCC models seem very lightweight when removed from the plinth,the body shell being the only metal part.I think I would be a bit disappointed paying extra for the same type of construction.Or does this make JBCC models good value for money?
  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    There is another Bond car collection - personally I like it much better than the Fabbri partwork:



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMPxlO4-BYo&feature=colike
  • mazmaz Posts: 227MI6 Agent
    Sorry for my delay in replying. Yes I have had a number of articles printed in Model Auto Review on the JBCC and even on the Velox mock-up I shared here previously. I can't post them for a number of reasons. Basically board members would probably have found them of passing interest only since many of my review comments only echo what board members have expressed and of course they are wildy car-centric as I am....

    I am surprised one of the news stand titles like Model Collector hasnt covered them but I wouldnt be surprised if they did one day - maybe they were waiting for the series to end to do an article?
  • mazmaz Posts: 227MI6 Agent
    Winnie - IXO models under their own brand are premium products. Typically they have better quality control than models done for partworks and additional details like interiors with picked out door handles, printed dials etc.

    IXO also produce for many european part works such as the Opel Collection for Eaglemoss (Who have just taken over Fabbri). These typically sell for 25-33% more than JBCC prices.

    So in summary JBCC IXO are very good value indeed when done well.
  • WinnieWinnie Posts: 129MI6 Agent
    Thanks for answering my questions,Maz.
  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    Winnie wrote:
    We are currently receiving one model per month at the moment[...]

    And, from what my dealer friend is telling me, it's going to stay that way for a while. It may speed up, but Ixo, which JUST launched two more new partworks AND is putting the finishing touches on Ist Models and now is working on PremiumX Diecast, seems quite likely to just keep on pumping 'em out at the rate of one per month, albeit using mostly existing moulds to remove the huge delay factor. Does this mean we'll see cars from Skyfall within the 130 range? Probably not, but they could do something like a ten-car extension (after all, they seem to be going car-centric all out now...they may do a bunch of cars with minor roles in SF).
    maz wrote:
    Basically board members would probably have found them of passing interest only since many of my review comments only echo what board members have expressed and of course they are wildy car-centric as I am....

    Would it be okay to PM them to me on condition I do not disseminate them in any way, shape, or form?

    There was also a good photo I found on eBay of the TMWTGG Merc without a steering wheel on the left side, but photo quality overall wasn't that great, so I'll opt against posting that since Winnie's words are good enough. If you want me to post it, of course, that's different and I'll gladly do that.
    If deliveries are that slow now, the collection might run to Bond 24.

    I'm still banking on a ten-car-in-total extension, but your theory of "just use 'wanted' cars from the forum to fill the gap" makes perfect sense. And if a 10-car extension, that gives them room to pick maybe 5 cars off the forum and 5 from Skyfall. If Skyfall has plenty of cars, then we would probably wind up seeing the "headliners" only as opposed to filler, though. In any event, I think we'll wind up with Bond's car (whatever it is) likely being last as a way to finish the partwork with a bang. Prediction if there is an extension...

    131. 1987 Lincoln Mk. VII Coupe (LTK)
    132. UAZ-31512 4x4 (GE)
    133. 1974 AMC Matador Sedan "Thai Police Car" (TMWTGG)
    134. 1964 Dodge Polara 500 Sedan "Japanese Export Variant" (YOLT)
    135. 1961 Chevrolet Impala Sedan "Felix's Chase Car" (DN)
    136-139. Unknown SF Cars.
    140. Bond's Car (SF)
    By the way, are you gonna eat that?
  • mazmaz Posts: 227MI6 Agent
    D. sorry I just dont have time to PM you all my articles since it would mean locating Model Auto Reviews going back several years and scanning everything to pdf. I dont put articles together I just send the editor words in email and pics as attachments and a month or two later it ends up in print. If I ever get my econolines that will probably be my next article- I will be ringing datbase warehouse and screaming at them on Monday. I am happy to find last article and pdf it - how do I PM it to you. Be warned though I am up to my neck with a local drama group so have little spare time at the moment so it may be Dec before I do it.

    I agree all the releases from now on will just be cars with a "bond background", no dioramas and no damage which would stop ixo re-using the moulds. Fabbri are lucky they are using IXO several contract diecast makers have gone bust in last few weeks trapping moulds for other ranges in China.

    Bring on that Dodge it would be ace!

    I wonder idly if after 130 they will push price up to 9.99 GBP which would allow the cars from the next Bond movies to include extras in terms of figures and dioramas - subject to license agreements
  • Rainier WolfcastleRainier Wolfcastle Posts: 484MI6 Agent
    Thanks for the answers regarding the RHD Mercedes. I thought before that we will see the same mould as used previously - but as they have changed the interior I have renewed hope that we will see a few positive surprises like the laser gun on the Dodge or the Lincoln stretch limo changed to a '64.

    maz wrote:
    Winnie - IXO models under their own brand are premium products. Typically they have better quality control than models done for partworks and additional details like interiors with picked out door handles, printed dials etc.

    IXO also produce for many european part works such as the Opel Collection for Eaglemoss (Who have just taken over Fabbri). These typically sell for 25-33% more than JBCC prices.

    So in summary JBCC IXO are very good value indeed when done well.
    I don't see the premium product in an Ixo. I only have a few rally Lancias from them, as there was nothing better around when I bought them although they never made me really happy. Now that the same cars (037, Delta S4, Delta Integrale) are available from HPI, I really think Ixos are a waste of money. HPI cost a little more but the finish is truly worlds apart from Ixo. As I said before I would not buy a regular issue Ixo (Lincoln Continental Lehmann-Peterson limousine CLC033 for €29.95) but the same car for €15 in the Altaya taxi series seems like good value. Except for an additional front fender emblem tampoprint I also did not find any external difference although the interior may be detailed differently.

    The Opel collection sells for €12.99 in Germany while the JBCC is €13.95. So while the JBCC is indeed very good value in Britain the same cannot be said elsewhere (anymore). €14 for an JBCC-exclusive UH model with figures and diorama was very good value - but €14 for the 100th partwork version of the same old Ixo mould without figures in the same bland diorama is definately not very good value. I would gladly pay €1 more if this would ensure figures and dioramas. I don't know why they have not raised the price in the UK after a few years; in Germany it went from €12.95 to 13.95 at some point.



    Going back to the humble beginnings of the JBCC in France: On p. 95 (60 pages or 2/5th of this thread in 9 months - this thread has been more alive than ever!) I reviewed the DB5 test issues from Norev and Eligor. One of the fundamental questions of mankind can now be answered:
    I have never seen one of the Norev or Eligor DB5's still sealed in their blisterpack - was the first model issued without? I would like to know if both came with the same manufacturer's address.
    It took almost six years but within the last month both versions have surfaced on Ebay, in their blisters. Although I had it on my watchlist I was stupid enough to miss the end of the Norev auction. Of course it was sold with one bid for €1! X-( (Pictures are from the auction)
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    I don't speak French, what's "figurines des acteurs"? :v


    Just a week or so later an Eligor DB5 in its blister appeared which I got with buy-it-now.
    124.jpg
    As you can see both had their cardboard advertisement cut to size. The reason I never received or even saw a DB5 in the blister is that the glue used is so strong the blisterpack will inevitably be damaged.
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    Comparing the Eligor packaging with a later Norev (the empty one is from a Lotus), there are some differences in the graphics. The typeface got a little bolder, the outlines of the second gun logo are very fine on the Eligor box but clearly visible on the later. The radius of the blister's corners is much larger on the Eligor box.
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    The box is marked with Eligor's address, and I am sure both Norev and Eligor were boxed at Eligor's factory, as Eligor supplied the bases for both versions and the Norev DB5 blister shown again below has the same larger corners as the Eligor.
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    So, are the Eligor and Norev DB5 both marked with Eligor's address? I don't think so as the black cardboard is not the same. There is a space between the gun logo and the LES on the Norev cardboard, and the two lines of white text visible to the right are clearly left-aligned (as on the later Norev Lotus box) but centered on the Eligor cardboard.


    Pictures of the BMW Z8 • LE MONDE NE SUFFIT PAS will finally be posted in the next days, I promise.
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    The first vehicle from Skyfall that might be modelled has already been identified as a VW Beetle.......the second possibility is featured here:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2057927/Daniel-Craig-starts-shooting-new-Bond-film-Skyfall-London-driving-Range-Rover.html

    Rainier - 'figurines des acteurs' means 'figures of (the) actors'
  • james John Smythejames John Smythe Station N, Netherlands Posts: 162MI6 Agent
    edited November 2011
    The first vehicle from Skyfall that might be modelled(...)

    "Better make that two."

    Sorry couldn't let quoting Tim there. :D Anyway, there are some pictures including both the Rover and a Jááááááááág XJ-L with Judi in it, si that may be our next staff car. And I for one sure wouldn't mind having a model of a black XJL for only 13 quid!
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    The first vehicle from Skyfall that might be modelled(...)

    "Better make that two."

    Sorry couldn't let quoting Lazer there. :D Anyway, there are some pictures including both the Rover and a Jááááááááág XJ-L with Judi in it, si that may be our next staff car. And I for one sure wouldn't mind having a model of a black XJL for only 13 quid!

    Yes please, Fabbri, a Jaguar XJL in the collection would VERY acceptable.
  • mazmaz Posts: 227MI6 Agent
    I'll take an XJL too! Well several actually.

    Just spoken to Database Warehouse. It seems that a shipment of Econolines was received damaged in the UK and they have been re-ordered from IXO and are expected to dock in next couple of weeks. So if anyone finds Econolines leaking onto Ebay without boxes or with damaged ones then suspicions about leaking warehouse walls may be true.

    Just ordered 112 and yet again been promised an official list of what is now scheduled. May be lucky third time of asking.
  • CAMERA_MANCAMERA_MAN Posts: 99MI6 Agent
    maz wrote:
    I'll take an XJL too! Well several actually.

    Just spoken to Database Warehouse. It seems that a shipment of Econolines was received damaged in the UK and they have been re-ordered from IXO and are expected to dock in next couple of weeks. So if anyone finds Econolines leaking onto Ebay without boxes or with damaged ones then suspicions about leaking warehouse walls may be true.

    Just ordered 112 and yet again been promised an official list of what is now scheduled. May be lucky third time of asking.

    What is the damage to theese " Econolines"? Had mine for a few months now but curious to see if I have one of these danaged ones thanks?
  • mazmaz Posts: 227MI6 Agent
    My understanding is that the first shipment was not enough to cater for demand so they ordered another shipment from IXO. If you have had yours for a couple of months I suspect it was from the initial shipment. The top-up shipment is supposed to have arrived in UK damaged - implication being boxes with models in damaged so badly they did not use these models - guess rather than separate the good from the bad they would probably go for an insurance claim to recover cost and they have ordered replacements. These then have to be made and shipped by sea from China which obviously takes time.
  • yourmovemrbondyourmovemrbond Posts: 61MI6 Agent
    one of the main area of damage was the poor quality wing mirrors......i had 4 models sent to me, all of them had both mirrors off and rattling round the box.........finally got one with intact mirrors, but with a cracked case!!!!( !......all sorted now though, thankfully
  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    I don't see the premium product in an Ixo.

    Depends greatly on the line. Ixo Rally and Ixo Classic are NOT premium products. Certain Ixo Museum is (those with photoetched white metal parts), PremiumX Resin very much is, PremiumX Diecast will be (not officially released yet), and Ist Models already is. PremiumX Diecast is going to borrow rather heavily from the JBCC moulds, though they've also announced a 1978 AMC Pacer (to compete with Neo?) and a 1965 Ford Mustang Convertible and will apparently be on par with Ist Models. Most of Ixo's partworks are also very good values, whether done for Altaya, Eaglemoss, or DeAgostini.
    The first vehicle from Skyfall that might be modelled has already been identified as a VW Beetle

    I'll take the Range Rover and Jag XJL, thank you very much!!! :)) ;)
    maz wrote:
    Fabbri are lucky they are using IXO several contract diecast makers have gone bust in last few weeks trapping moulds for other ranges in China.

    Indeed! I was quite surprised by that, actually, but have not gotten the names of the makers. Could you supply those to me? Thanks! Also...thanks very much for the PM and I did reply to it!
    Of course it was sold with one bid for €1!

    I really, REALLY feel for you. I had a Britains No. 1 18" Howitzer Mounted for Garrison Duty, boxed with first type breech and all three different kinds of shells about a year ago right in my crosshairs and FELL ASLEEP at the end of the auction. Final price? 126 GBP. Yesterday, one in crummy condition went for 190 GBP. ARGH!!!! X-(
    By the way, are you gonna eat that?
  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    Guys... that's simply because we got too smart with eBay and hope to snipe what we like at the last minute at the lowest price. If it works, you are lucky. But if you forget when the auction ends... it happened to me a few times too. Back in the old times it was very different!
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    Jag wrote:
    Guys... that's simply because we got too smart with eBay and hope to snipe what we like at the last minute at the lowest price. If it works, you are lucky. But if you forget when the auction ends... it happened to me a few times too. Back in the old times it was very different!

    I'm a seasoned eBay sniper - on one occasion I won an item with 1 second to spare before the listing ended. I was quite chuffed with myself until the time I did the usual thing, waited, waited, then clicked 'confirm bid' at the very last second - only to get a message asking me to sign in!!!! I lost a real gem at a steal of a price.
    Booting up a computer took on a whole new meaning.
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