AWESOME model of a Lada Nova 2105 1500! This was an upscale model of the standard VAZ-2105 meant for export to other East Bloc countries such as Czechoslovakia, Poland, Romania, Hungary, and you'll also see quite a few of these in photos from mid-1980's Yugoslavia (Comecon country, not East Bloc). I can't imagine this not selling well and it's definitely a bone thrown to the East Bloc market. If you'll notice, they also corrected the worst error on the VAZ-2105 from "USSR AvtoLegende", which is the lack of tampo-printed louvers on the hood (they're small enough that tampo-printing is the best option, to be honest).
All I can say about the Lincoln Continental Lehmann-Peterson Type 53A is that it better be a '64 or a '65. Even though the car you saw driving around was a '64, the car that Jacques Bouvar actually gets out of is a 1965 model, I'm guessing because they had to re-shoot part of the scene and the extreme rarity of the '64 model. The trunk is the giveaway. So I would be happy with a '65, especially because it also has East Bloc marketing potential. But please Ixo, do not make it a 1967. We love the Lada, now just keep making 'em like that!
EDIT: Is it just me, or does the figure's painting (not scaling...he appears to be scaled correctly) bring La Route Bleue to mind? Note the eyebrows, especially. Maybe they went back to that same figure company and now have them doing the figures?
Great pix yourmovemrbond, it looks like D110 and Maz can breathe a sigh of relief over the Lada's grille! Great to see a figure included again at last.
Looking forward to the Lincoln - it should be a bit of a beast, like the two hearses
Sigh of relief. Looks good and really look forward to be able to get my hands on it. Not so bothered what comes next there are quite a few must haves coming up so any of them will do as long as they are done to IXO good standards. Will have a good look at figure when I get the car..
Nice bit of non-sexual double entendre with the license plate I'd not noticed until I took another look at it. "BAD" was and still is a valid license plate prefix for Bratislava-registered cars. It also has other meanings, I imagine... )
I'm guessing this is what we can expect from now on, decent cars, with a simple yet correct base and a figure or 2! IXO may be getting on track after all!
Also, this is a perfect example of what a good execution can do. I already sold the Ford Consul as it's just a car on a piece or road, but this, due to the figure and the fact that I can actually remember the car and it looks good, I might just keep this one.
I picked up my Lada today,and believe me,this model is transformed by the inclusion of a figure.Its a very good model,in its own right,but made all the better, just by this small detail.I do hope this is the sign of things to come.
As already confirmed,issue 119 will be the Lincoln Continental limo.I guess this model will require a bigger case.I wonder if this could be the longest model yet?
I believe so. Even with UH's Dinky 48'ing, they never had a model longer than the Lehmann-Peterson Continental (which, btw, will probably re-use the baseplate of the Ixo 1967 Continental...that lone part would be correct).
I believe so. Even with UH's Dinky 48'ing, they never had a model longer than the Lehmann-Peterson Continental (which, btw, will probably re-use the baseplate of the Ixo 1967 Continental...that lone part would be correct).
There is another option that we all know Ixo/UH/Fabbri/Eaglemoss are capable of: making it in a smaller scale. If not 1/72 (Bondola), how about 1/50 (tank)?
I believe so. Even with UH's Dinky 48'ing, they never had a model longer than the Lehmann-Peterson Continental (which, btw, will probably re-use the baseplate of the Ixo 1967 Continental...that lone part would be correct).
There is another option that we all know Ixo/UH/Fabbri/Eaglemoss are capable of: making it in a smaller scale. If not 1/72 (Bondola), how about 1/50 (tank)?
No, this will be 1/43 for sure. At 6.36 m length for a 1964 L-P the model should be 148 mm long. That's just 3 mm more than the Cadillac hearse so plenty of space left in the long boxes without having to change the scale.
Nice bit of non-sexual double entendre with the license plate I'd not noticed until I took another look at it. "BAD" was and still is a valid license plate prefix for Bratislava-registered cars. It also has other meanings, I imagine... )
The old Czechoslovakian plates (were BAD was indeed a possible plate for Bratislava, running from BAA to BAZ) are still valid in the Czech Republic but no longer in Slovakia. Now Bratislava has BA and recently started BL when the BA number/letter combinations (BA-123XY) were fully allocated.
But the number plates of the film car show how careful the filmmakers were even to such minute details that nobody of the audience would notice (I certainly didn't). The BAD plate was surely chosen deliberately, and they recreated the old Czech plates very well. The Audi 200 from the Vienna scenes had fake plates too, and while the font is not 100 percent perfect, the old Austrian plates were also very well recreated by the film crew.
That's one point I find a bit disappointing on the Ixo Lada. For a company such involved in East-Bloc models the number plates are rather poorly done.
Now Bratislava has BA and recently started BL when the BA number/letter combinations (BA-123XY) were fully allocated.
I know they're only issuing "BA" (well, until really recently) and "BL" now, but weren't the older plates allowed to be "grandfathered in" on older cars from the time of the formation of Slovakia?
That's one point I find a bit disappointing on the Ixo Lada. For a company such involved in East-Bloc models the number plates are rather poorly done.
Although I agree and would point to Ixo's Kultovni Auta CSSR as an example of near-perfect Czechoslovakian plates, you have to admit: when the worst thing on a model are the license plates, you know they did a nice job! )
Also, this is a perfect example of what a good execution can do. I already sold the Ford Consul as it's just a car on a piece or road, but this, due to the figure and the fact that I can actually remember the car and it looks good, I might just keep this one.
I picked up my Lada today,and believe me,this model is transformed by the inclusion of a figure.Its a very good model,in its own right,but made all the better, just by this small detail.I do hope this is the sign of things to come.
For me the figure changes everything. In the first photo from above I thought "standard cobblestone base - still better than the nothing-at-all base of the GF Mercedes -, and no figure as expected". But then the pictures with the figure changed my perception of the Lada completely. Now this is definately a must-buy for me although I am not into East-Block cars, and I certainly didn't remember the car from the film. I thought it should be black instead of dark blue, had to throw in the DVD again. But - that black car was a Volga, and the Lada is indeed dark blue.
Also the base will be exclusive to this model, not another standard, as it shows tram tracks. And another plus: the figure has a really good likeness.
A bit OT: I had to smile because of the background illustration. It reminded me, when I saw the film in the cinema this was the funnienst unintentional joke of any James Bond film. I saw it in Vienna, and the sight of the old Viennese tram to convey the proper east-block flair resulted in a burst of laughter. Back then this L type tram was probably the oldest in regular service in Vienna but was still seen frequently - while Bratislava surely used more modern Tatra trams.
I know they're only issuing "BA" (well, until really recently) and "BL" now, but weren't the older plates allowed to be "grandfathered in" on older cars from the time of the formation of Slovakia?
I am certain this was the case for some transition period but the new system was introduced in the mid-90's, and old plates are definately not valid anymore in Slovakia since a long time. Yet in the Czech republic they retain their validity.
The Slovaks have more of a problem with their common history.
While to most ears both languages sound the same, the Czechs and Slovaks really don't like each other much. I remember 20 years ago when I was in Prague for the first time, I saw a board game in a shop window. In German it is called Fox and Goose, and there it was called Czech and Slovak, the box lid showing soldiers shooting with rifles at each other ...
Although I agree and would point to Ixo's Kultovni Auta CSSR as an example of near-perfect Czechoslovakian plates, you have to admit: when the worst thing on a model are the license plates, you know they did a nice job! )
That true, and that's why I wrote "a bit disappointing." But still, if they have the capability to make near-perfect plates, have the proper font, know the style - then why couldn't they do it on this car? It takes just a minute to make it right.
But - that black car was a Volga, and the Lada is indeed dark blue.
For any of you Code 3'ers out there, USSR AvtoLegende has this exact car, the GAZ-3102 Volga, in the exact black color. Now that we have a real base for it, well...and I imagine you can use the Kultovni Auta CSSR license plates as templates. The borrowed figure might be tough, though.
A bit OT: I had to smile because of the background illustration. It reminded me, when I saw the film in the cinema this was the funnienst unintentional joke of any James Bond film. I saw it in Vienna, and the sight of the old Viennese tram to convey the proper east-block flair resulted in a burst of laughter. Back then this L type tram was probably the oldest in regular service in Vienna but was still seen frequently - while Bratislava surely used more modern Tatra trams.
I too smiled when I saw this in the film, and I think the trams they were REALLY using were called T-3's. I don't know where you can get an Austrian tram, but if you're REALLY into Code 3, then Vector Models makes several different Tatra trams from the 1960's-1980's. They'll cost you about $300 each and are fully functional. Detail is pretty much as close as it gets and they're worth every penny.
I am certain this was the case for some transition period but the new system was introduced in the mid-90's, and old plates are definately not valid anymore in Slovakia since a long time.
My last friend in Slovakia moved out in 1997 (ironically for the Czech Republic) and the plates (former Slovak part of Czechoslovakia only, of course) were valid at that time. My error for assuming it's stayed the same for the past 16 years!
if they have the capability to make near-perfect plates, have the proper font, know the style - then why couldn't they do it on this car?
I'm not entirely sure, since I believe it would greatly benefit the car, but I do have a theory: the license plates on Kultovni Auta CSSR are single-layer tampo-printing over decals on plastic. This system may sound cheap (and it is...be careful of chipping), but it also captures the plate's realism perfectly. The Bond Collection plates are tampo-printed on differently and likely do not use decals. But wait, you say, what about Ist Models? We've seen Czechoslovakian Ist Models! Yes, we have. With their plates, they're tampo-printed either on metal or a special thin layer of plastic and honestly, I've never seen one that looks interchangeable with Kultovni Auta CSSR or the JBCC. I think it probably comes down to who is doing the tampo-printing. Is that a good excuse? No. Is it the explanation I find most probable? Yes.
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The driver in the Lada,does resemble "Route Bleue"figure.
I picked up my model of the Lada VAZ 1500 from Forbidden Planet on Friday 20th April,
but on the packaging it has the Universal Hobbies (UH) address.
So is this why we got a driver figure. Is it UH and not IXO?
119 (as stated) is the Lincoln Continental "stretch limo".
On another note, I've read twice now that the GF DB5 is going to be 'the' Bond car in Skyfall. Corgi are making a big deal out of it with a special Skyfall 1:36 model and Scalextric are issuing a Skyfall car chase set featuring the DB5 and a black Range Rover. Fabbri would be idiots not to extend the range to incorporate this movie.
It's a '66 one, so the grille, side"scoops" and speedometer are different. And then there's the weels and of course the colour, but for me it's a case of "close enough". now all we need is a femme fatale to chase
On another note, I've read twice now that the GF DB5 is going to be 'the' Bond car in Skyfall. Corgi are making a big deal out of it with a special Skyfall 1:36 model and Scalextric are issuing a Skyfall car chase set featuring the DB5 and a black Range Rover. Fabbri would be idiots not to extend the range to incorporate this movie.
Be quiet, MCF!!! Eaglemoss are listening in! Do you really want them to release another DB5 in this collection? We all know they are more than capable! 8-)
Nope, it's Ixo. Same font on the bottom of the car and everything. The figure is definitely the same type that was included in La Route Bleue (an Ixo partwork), as well, but is to scale this time. The figures included by UH were very distinct and, if anything, slightly undersized most of the time. I'm guessing they've still not completely updated their copyrights/switched over to Eaglemoss.
As to the car: it's terrific. However, it's NOT a Lada Nova 2105 1500; rather, it's a Lada Nova 2105 1200, and a superb model of one at that. The badges on the sides of the car stating what the displacement of the engine were read "1200". Believe it or not, these were actually popular as rental cars with tourists in East Bloc countries. They looked nice (at least compared with your average Lada Nova 2105), but were able to be purchased cheaply for a rental car fleet (Ever wonder why Cuba has a bunch of Chinese cars for rent? Same logic.).
The magazine, therefore, is completely wrong calling the car a "VAZ 1500" (a car that doesn't even exist). If it were a Lada Nova 2105 1500, it would be badged as such. The two-page spread is also a late model VAZ-2107. Whoops! "AutoVAZ" is mercifully corrected to AvtoVAZ, but AvtoVAZ is the post-Soviet company. Before the collapse of the Soviet Union, VAZ was an acronym for Volzhskiy Avtomobilniy Zavod (Volga River Automobile Plant). This error, along with the car's name, appears as an error throughout.
The blurb "LADA IN THE UK", in addition to the above-mentioned two errors, also portrays another VAZ-2107, which by the way, has left-hand drive (in the UK?). It also says that "Lada" means "darling" in Russian. It doesn't. The name was chosen because of the more correct, second explanation given in the blurb; that "Lada" was a Slavic pagan goddess. The Lada logo is indeed a Viking sailing ship, but not because anyone settled near Lake Ladoga. "Boat" in Russian is "Lodka". I believe an early export name (after "Ziguli" had failed) that was considered was "Lodka", but for whatever reason, it didn't catch on.
In the article "A Soviet car for the masses", the description is just about dead on, though hilariously, it states that the car could go from 0-60 mph (about 0-100 kph) in 14.5 seconds. I've yet to see or hear of a Lada capable of doing that well, save perhaps the special police models. You're looking at closer to 20 seconds. Also, the red car below the article has right-hand drive. That's nice, but shouldn't THAT be the car you show in the "Lada in the UK" blurb?
By the way, the Lincoln Continental portrayed in the CGI image in the back of the magazine is the super-rare 1964 Lehmann-Peterson Type 53A. As I've said repeatedly, the 1965 is also acceptable since it made a brief appearance as the car that the cross-dressing Colonel Jacques Bouvar actually got out of. Keep your fingers crossed.
On another note, I've read twice now that the GF DB5 is going to be 'the' Bond car in Skyfall. Corgi are making a big deal out of it with a special Skyfall 1:36 model and Scalextric are issuing a Skyfall car chase set featuring the DB5 and a black Range Rover. Fabbri would be idiots not to extend the range to incorporate this movie.
Be quiet, MCF!!! Eaglemoss are listening in! Do you really want them to release another DB5 in this collection? We all know they are more than capable! 8-)
Oh yeah - I reckon I can always find space for another DB5 - although my 'toy cupboard' is beginning to look a bit like the warehouse at the end of 'Raiders of the Lost Ark'!!!!!
Actually, I think it's an interesting proposition, because the two (apparently) main Skyfall cars as seen in this Scalextric pic have already been modelled by UH for the JBCC:
So if EMFabbri were to include this movie, will they re-open a dialogue with UH to re-use these models or will IXO have to make them all over again from scratch?
It's the great advantage of cherry-picking, choosing whatever rocks your boat and ignoring the rest. But look on the bright side, unless you hate them, there could be a modern Beetle, Land Rover half-cab and a Jag XF coming our way.
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All I can say about the Lincoln Continental Lehmann-Peterson Type 53A is that it better be a '64 or a '65. Even though the car you saw driving around was a '64, the car that Jacques Bouvar actually gets out of is a 1965 model, I'm guessing because they had to re-shoot part of the scene and the extreme rarity of the '64 model. The trunk is the giveaway. So I would be happy with a '65, especially because it also has East Bloc marketing potential. But please Ixo, do not make it a 1967. We love the Lada, now just keep making 'em like that!
EDIT: Is it just me, or does the figure's painting (not scaling...he appears to be scaled correctly) bring La Route Bleue to mind? Note the eyebrows, especially. Maybe they went back to that same figure company and now have them doing the figures?
Looking forward to the Lincoln - it should be a bit of a beast, like the two hearses
Depends whether you feel a bit 'flushed' when you see one.........
Also, this is a perfect example of what a good execution can do. I already sold the Ford Consul as it's just a car on a piece or road, but this, due to the figure and the fact that I can actually remember the car and it looks good, I might just keep this one.
As already confirmed,issue 119 will be the Lincoln Continental limo.I guess this model will require a bigger case.I wonder if this could be the longest model yet?
The driver in the Lada,does resemble "Route Bleue"figure.
I believe so. Even with UH's Dinky 48'ing, they never had a model longer than the Lehmann-Peterson Continental (which, btw, will probably re-use the baseplate of the Ixo 1967 Continental...that lone part would be correct).
There is another option that we all know Ixo/UH/Fabbri/Eaglemoss are capable of: making it in a smaller scale. If not 1/72 (Bondola), how about 1/50 (tank)?
The old Czechoslovakian plates (were BAD was indeed a possible plate for Bratislava, running from BAA to BAZ) are still valid in the Czech Republic but no longer in Slovakia. Now Bratislava has BA and recently started BL when the BA number/letter combinations (BA-123XY) were fully allocated.
But the number plates of the film car show how careful the filmmakers were even to such minute details that nobody of the audience would notice (I certainly didn't). The BAD plate was surely chosen deliberately, and they recreated the old Czech plates very well. The Audi 200 from the Vienna scenes had fake plates too, and while the font is not 100 percent perfect, the old Austrian plates were also very well recreated by the film crew.
That's one point I find a bit disappointing on the Ixo Lada. For a company such involved in East-Bloc models the number plates are rather poorly done.
I know they're only issuing "BA" (well, until really recently) and "BL" now, but weren't the older plates allowed to be "grandfathered in" on older cars from the time of the formation of Slovakia?
Although I agree and would point to Ixo's Kultovni Auta CSSR as an example of near-perfect Czechoslovakian plates, you have to admit: when the worst thing on a model are the license plates, you know they did a nice job! )
For me the figure changes everything. In the first photo from above I thought "standard cobblestone base - still better than the nothing-at-all base of the GF Mercedes -, and no figure as expected". But then the pictures with the figure changed my perception of the Lada completely. Now this is definately a must-buy for me although I am not into East-Block cars, and I certainly didn't remember the car from the film. I thought it should be black instead of dark blue, had to throw in the DVD again. But - that black car was a Volga, and the Lada is indeed dark blue.
Also the base will be exclusive to this model, not another standard, as it shows tram tracks. And another plus: the figure has a really good likeness.
A bit OT: I had to smile because of the background illustration. It reminded me, when I saw the film in the cinema this was the funnienst unintentional joke of any James Bond film. I saw it in Vienna, and the sight of the old Viennese tram to convey the proper east-block flair resulted in a burst of laughter. Back then this L type tram was probably the oldest in regular service in Vienna but was still seen frequently - while Bratislava surely used more modern Tatra trams.
The Slovaks have more of a problem with their common history.
While to most ears both languages sound the same, the Czechs and Slovaks really don't like each other much. I remember 20 years ago when I was in Prague for the first time, I saw a board game in a shop window. In German it is called Fox and Goose, and there it was called Czech and Slovak, the box lid showing soldiers shooting with rifles at each other ...
That true, and that's why I wrote "a bit disappointing." But still, if they have the capability to make near-perfect plates, have the proper font, know the style - then why couldn't they do it on this car? It takes just a minute to make it right.
(I should add I'm not the one selling it, but I wish I was!!!!!!)
Check it out.......
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Corgi-James-Bond-007-ORIGINAL-Gold-Plated-Spy-Loved-Me-Lotus-Esprit-1-10-/300692208930?_trksid=p4012.m1374&_trkparms=algo%3DPI.WATCH%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D8%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D7899511742211656867
For any of you Code 3'ers out there, USSR AvtoLegende has this exact car, the GAZ-3102 Volga, in the exact black color. Now that we have a real base for it, well...and I imagine you can use the Kultovni Auta CSSR license plates as templates. The borrowed figure might be tough, though.
I too smiled when I saw this in the film, and I think the trams they were REALLY using were called T-3's. I don't know where you can get an Austrian tram, but if you're REALLY into Code 3, then Vector Models makes several different Tatra trams from the 1960's-1980's. They'll cost you about $300 each and are fully functional. Detail is pretty much as close as it gets and they're worth every penny.
My last friend in Slovakia moved out in 1997 (ironically for the Czech Republic) and the plates (former Slovak part of Czechoslovakia only, of course) were valid at that time. My error for assuming it's stayed the same for the past 16 years!
I'm not entirely sure, since I believe it would greatly benefit the car, but I do have a theory: the license plates on Kultovni Auta CSSR are single-layer tampo-printing over decals on plastic. This system may sound cheap (and it is...be careful of chipping), but it also captures the plate's realism perfectly. The Bond Collection plates are tampo-printed on differently and likely do not use decals. But wait, you say, what about Ist Models? We've seen Czechoslovakian Ist Models! Yes, we have. With their plates, they're tampo-printed either on metal or a special thin layer of plastic and honestly, I've never seen one that looks interchangeable with Kultovni Auta CSSR or the JBCC. I think it probably comes down to who is doing the tampo-printing. Is that a good excuse? No. Is it the explanation I find most probable? Yes.
Does it get any more beautifull than that? And with IXO now at the wheel It can be an absolute gem. Only problem I can see is them trying to get
"Rolls Royce Silver Shadow Mulliner Park Ward Drophead Coupe * On Her Majesty's Secret Service"
on the base )
They don't make them like that anymore *sigh*. Is that your car JJS?
I picked up my model of the Lada VAZ 1500 from Forbidden Planet on Friday 20th April,
but on the packaging it has the Universal Hobbies (UH) address.
So is this why we got a driver figure. Is it UH and not IXO?
119 (as stated) is the Lincoln Continental "stretch limo".
Bleuville.
I only drive it when Sir Godfrey's having a day off
Although not 100% accurate, my car has already been featured in the collection twice.
Happy hunting
Has to be the Lada )
Nah, an Esprit, right?
And though it's nowhere near shy of performance, in the Bond flicks my car is reserved for the ladies...
It's a '66 one, so the grille, side"scoops" and speedometer are different. And then there's the weels and of course the colour, but for me it's a case of "close enough". now all we need is a femme fatale to chase
Hey, do I win the car for guessing correctly?
Be quiet, MCF!!! Eaglemoss are listening in! Do you really want them to release another DB5 in this collection? We all know they are more than capable! 8-)
Nope, it's Ixo. Same font on the bottom of the car and everything. The figure is definitely the same type that was included in La Route Bleue (an Ixo partwork), as well, but is to scale this time. The figures included by UH were very distinct and, if anything, slightly undersized most of the time. I'm guessing they've still not completely updated their copyrights/switched over to Eaglemoss.
As to the car: it's terrific. However, it's NOT a Lada Nova 2105 1500; rather, it's a Lada Nova 2105 1200, and a superb model of one at that. The badges on the sides of the car stating what the displacement of the engine were read "1200". Believe it or not, these were actually popular as rental cars with tourists in East Bloc countries. They looked nice (at least compared with your average Lada Nova 2105), but were able to be purchased cheaply for a rental car fleet (Ever wonder why Cuba has a bunch of Chinese cars for rent? Same logic.).
The magazine, therefore, is completely wrong calling the car a "VAZ 1500" (a car that doesn't even exist). If it were a Lada Nova 2105 1500, it would be badged as such. The two-page spread is also a late model VAZ-2107. Whoops! "AutoVAZ" is mercifully corrected to AvtoVAZ, but AvtoVAZ is the post-Soviet company. Before the collapse of the Soviet Union, VAZ was an acronym for Volzhskiy Avtomobilniy Zavod (Volga River Automobile Plant). This error, along with the car's name, appears as an error throughout.
The blurb "LADA IN THE UK", in addition to the above-mentioned two errors, also portrays another VAZ-2107, which by the way, has left-hand drive (in the UK?). It also says that "Lada" means "darling" in Russian. It doesn't. The name was chosen because of the more correct, second explanation given in the blurb; that "Lada" was a Slavic pagan goddess. The Lada logo is indeed a Viking sailing ship, but not because anyone settled near Lake Ladoga. "Boat" in Russian is "Lodka". I believe an early export name (after "Ziguli" had failed) that was considered was "Lodka", but for whatever reason, it didn't catch on.
In the article "A Soviet car for the masses", the description is just about dead on, though hilariously, it states that the car could go from 0-60 mph (about 0-100 kph) in 14.5 seconds. I've yet to see or hear of a Lada capable of doing that well, save perhaps the special police models. You're looking at closer to 20 seconds. Also, the red car below the article has right-hand drive. That's nice, but shouldn't THAT be the car you show in the "Lada in the UK" blurb?
By the way, the Lincoln Continental portrayed in the CGI image in the back of the magazine is the super-rare 1964 Lehmann-Peterson Type 53A. As I've said repeatedly, the 1965 is also acceptable since it made a brief appearance as the car that the cross-dressing Colonel Jacques Bouvar actually got out of. Keep your fingers crossed.
Oh yeah - I reckon I can always find space for another DB5 - although my 'toy cupboard' is beginning to look a bit like the warehouse at the end of 'Raiders of the Lost Ark'!!!!!
Actually, I think it's an interesting proposition, because the two (apparently) main Skyfall cars as seen in this Scalextric pic have already been modelled by UH for the JBCC:
So if EMFabbri were to include this movie, will they re-open a dialogue with UH to re-use these models or will IXO have to make them all over again from scratch?