Swapmeets/toyfairs are past their best, I think. I'm old enough to remember swapmeets before eBay really kicked in, and they were very different then. Pricing obsolete Corgi and Dinky was totally up in the air, sure there were price guides available but they couldn't be taken ultra-seriously. I mentioned some time back that I picked up a mint boxed Bond OHMSS Mustang for a few pounds, when it was easily worth £50 plus. That was down to the ignorance of the dealer, but I'm sure for every customer who picked up a bargain, there were 3 or 4 who got ripped off, because they weren't that clued up either. Nowadays both dealer and customer can stand either side of said obsolete toy/model and check its worth on eBay's 'completed listings' using a mobile.
Pretty much sums it up here in US regarding toy shows as well. The reason why train shows seem to survive is that there's no guarantee of buying a working locomotive over the internet (and most of the locomotives sold are of the old/used kind). Virtually all train shows have a test track where you can actually run the locomotive.
Maz - I rang Database to order my Savoys on Fri 20th and was told they had no stock, and was advised to ring back in two weeks. I ignored that and rang them back on the 23rd to try and speak to another operative (which I did) who told me there were plenty in stock and took the order. It seems to be a matter of who you speak to and how helpful they are feeling - I'd try calling them a few times.
Thanks for the tip...I'll try and pass this along to my dealer!
Thanks MovieCarFan I'll call them monday and see what they say then. Then its the inevitable three or so weeks wait.... Maybe I need 3 to try to make sure I get at least one perfect one.
I'd be interested to see that list - if everyone else here doesn't mind!
You asked for it!
1) 1960 Edsel Ranger Convertible. Brooklin actually did do this car and it remains one of the most desirable (albeit not one of the most rare) cars of the Brooklin "pre-detail" era. The grille is radically different than the Edsel we're familiar with from 1958 and is said to have inspired the look on Pontiac's grilles throughout the decade.
2) 1961 DeSoto Four-Door Pillarless Hardtop. The last Edsel could be followed up on with the very last DeSoto. A beautiful car, the 1961 DeSoto for the American market was essentially a Chrysler with a lower level of trim and a nicer, cleaner-looking grille. Exported to Australia and South Africa along with the "export-only" Diplomat and Adventurer, a right-hand drive model could also be made, as it WAS a popular car in both countries (well, South Africa, anyway, and they imported from Australia).
3) 1961 Chevrolet Impala SS 409. Although opinion remains split whether this car was the first muscle car or not, I'd definitely give it the prize. It gave us one of the Beach Boys' best songs (where it was VERY much a muscle car), the legendary "SS" designation, and unlike many of the "proto-muscle" cars like the Chrysler 300, Mercury Montclair, and Hudson Hornet, it had pretty mean looks, too. Surprisingly, this two-door couple has never been modeled in any scale, I don't believe. The '62 Impala SS 409 has (albeit not in 1/43), but it wasn't the first!
4) 1962 Chevrolet Corvair Monza Convertible. Probably the most interesting Corvair variant in the most interesting Corvair year, yet we've only seen 1960 models from Franklin Mint, Dinky, and Corgi, plus 1965 models from Yat Ming.
5) 1964 Pontiac Tempest GTO. The first GTO and some will argue the first muscle car. I disagree with the latter, but it had mean looks, 348 horsepower (you could tune it to 400) and could go from 0-60 in 6.6 seconds. I've always preferred the look of the convertible to the hardtop. Also, you'd expect that a bunch of companies have done this car, right? Wrong. Sun Star did a hotrod version I've seen Code 3'd in a bunch of ways and Johnny Lightning briefly did a 1/64 scale toy. That's all we've seen of this car. To be brutally honest, SOMEBODY should do this one either as a ragtop or hardtop as it came from the factory; there would be a market in almost ANY scale.
6) 1965 Dodge Polara Four-Door Sedan. Popular as a police car and taxi as well as a civilian car, the Polara was arguably the best police car until the late 1960's came along. It may have looked like a fairly utilitarian sedan (although it had an awesome-looking grille), but its gutsy engine range, being made into a full-size car, and eventually spawning the police-favorite Monaco make the '65 model year Polara stand out.
7) 1966 Ford Fairlane 500XL Two-Door. Arguably the most underrated muscle car of all time (at least since people figured out what the AMX was/is capable of...), the Fairlane 500XL looked a bit like a down-sized Galaxie and was probably the victim more of poor marketing than anything else. Indeed, these cars had V8's capable of putting out around 425 horsepower, but were still basically sold as run-of-the-mill, mid-sized cars that just happened to be sporty. This Fairlane design only lasted two years (1966 and 1967) before giving way to a correctly-marketed, much more muscle-car-like version. However, its importance in representing a stylistic transition from "smaller car with a huge engine" to "huge, high-performance car with a huge engine" is evident in both the car's design and quite frankly, in subsequent marketing. It's about halfway in-between the two concepts and illustrates a "transition muscle car" extremely well.
8) 1967 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 396 Hardtop. The very last of the "first generation" Chevelles deserves mention here. It was still VERY much a two-door sedan, yet it had acquired absolutely everything needed to become the monster 1968-1971 "second generation" except for the distinctive fastback look. A classic muscle car that's frankly been neglected.
9) 1968 AMX with Go Package. A muscle car by definition, American Motors' first entry into the field proved surprisingly good. Not only did it look, feel, drive, and sound like a muscle car should, but it even took some extra steps. Many forget that the first generation AMX only had two seats. It was built for performance and performance almost excusively. There was probably a reason as to why the AMX was Craig Breedlove's favorite car and also nicknamed "the American Ferrari". The AMX was also surprisingly safe for its time and quite frankly, any AMX made from 1968-1970 with the Go Pack was a factory-built hotrod. Had anyone BUT American Motors built this car, it would have gained much more recognition and become much more of a legend than it's become. But the joke at the time was that "AMC" was an acronym for "A Moron's Car" and it was difficult to take the AMX seriously. It was probably the most blatant case of automotive snobbery during the decade. Most of the people blasting the AMX and refusing to believe the reports of just how well it performed had either never ridden in one or never driven one! While Western Models actually DID make a 1/43 scale 1969 AMX with Go Package, said model set me back $250+ (and by the way, the dealer that originally had five of them sold them in a week...the suggested MSR was supposedly $300, but the seller didn't think ANY of them would sell at that price!). For added appeal, all of the AMX variants were sold in Australia into 1970 as the Rambler AMX...with right-hand drive and VERY capable of giving the famed Falcon GTHO (Phase I, Phase II, AND Phase III) a run for its money.
10) 1969 Chevrolet Chevelle COPO 427. I was shocked that this car had been modelled only once in ANY scale. Don Yenko's COPO 427 Chevelle was arguably the meanest muscle car of the 1960's when you balance everything out...and yet, Ertl apparently did one model in 1/18 scale, and that was IT (well, except for Racing Champions doing a 1/64 scale version)! We may be swimming in COPO Camaros and even have affordable 1/43 scale Yenko Deuces (i.e. COPO Chevy Novas), but not ONE '69 COPO Chevelle 427? I admit, I featured a Chevelle earlier that I believe was neglected (the '67), but come on! No muscle car collection is complete without the COPO Chevelle 427...it was a spectacular muscle car and I'd have expected it to have been overmodeled if anything! Apparently not; wow!
Nice list dalko. All worthy of modelling. I would like to see some of the last full size ramblers which I remember in ads in us mags that found their way to the uk. The ertl 1:43 ss was a good model but I think it is a 64
Again, not easy trying not to repeat any on your list (which is great) whilst also desperately trying not to make them ALL entirely obvious choices!! See what you think:
67 Pontiac GTO
67 Ford Country Squire (another CS!)
63 TBird Convertible
65 Corvette (boat-tail)
69 Buick Riviera GS Hardtop coupe
61 Chrysler New Yorker
64 Ford Falcon 2dr
65 Plymouth Barracuda
64 Lincoln Comet Convertible
66 Oldsmobile 442 Convertible
Nice list dalko. All worthy of modelling. I would like to see some of the last full size ramblers which I remember in ads in us mags that found their way to the uk. The ertl 1:43 ss was a good model but I think it is a 64
I agree that the 1964 Ertl Impala SS 409 was a good model, but by then, you'd had some pretty serious changes to the design.
And no, I would not at all mind a 1961 Rambler Ambassador Custom V-8 Four-Door Sedan!
So for me, 1:43 all the way. I can't get to many swapmeets though I love them, so the obscure and the bargain have to be hunted out online for me.
Swapmeets/toyfairs are past their best, I think. I'm old enough to remember swapmeets before eBay really kicked in, and they were very different then. Pricing obsolete Corgi and Dinky was totally up in the air, sure there were price guides available but they couldn't be taken ultra-seriously. I mentioned some time back that I picked up a mint boxed Bond OHMSS Mustang for a few pounds, when it was easily worth £50 plus. That was down to the ignorance of the dealer, but I'm sure for every customer who picked up a bargain, there were 3 or 4 who got ripped off, because they weren't that clued up either. Nowadays both dealer and customer can stand either side of said obsolete toy/model and check its worth on eBay's 'completed listings' using a mobile.
Also since eBay, many top UK dealers moved to internet trading which took away the best stock from the swapmeets.
I very rarely go to a toyfair/swapmeet these days, since I was lucky enough to pick up most of the obsoletes I wanted some years ago, but those I have been to recently seem to be about brand new models or bric-a-brac junk for the most part. Great for buying current stuff maybe cheaper than online, but not so great for mint old stuff going cheap. It seems weird getting nostalgic about events that were all about nostalgia.
That's very interesting, thanks for that. So it seems that my hunting ground of eBay is indeed the new global swapmeet. That's good to know. The last item I managed to buy in a swapmeet-environment was a resin Alezan Alfa Romeo Delfino concept from the Brooklands Auto Italia day a couple of months back. Just like Dalkowski's point about running trains at train shows to prove they work, for handbuilt-from-kit models there is no substitute for seeing a model up close. I have been pleasantly surprised and also disappointed by handbuilts I have bought from eBay - photos can be misleading in positive and negative directions.
I just hope someone is reading this from a part work - we are doing their detailed market research for them. The Yank Tank series is really going well here. I'd Vote for some 67/8/9 Ramblers including Marlin fast back. I'd also like to see some early 50's Hudsons they could be really good. I reckon between us we could get this imaginary "Yank Tanks" Partwork up to about 100 parts with no problems. Some of them may even have some connection to Bond films (as in in car park scene!!) LOL.
In fact I don't know why someone doesn't do it I know GM and Ford can be a bit sticky on licensing but not usually too greedy so other than that what's stopping them. The Launch edition should feature something really well known like something that has been in a movie and the part work could be written straight off wikipedia. A special could include a classic US Panel Van towing a trailer with a hot rod on or something like that. They could also slip in a few pre-war classics IXO have a nice Model T already an many have never been modelled in die cast and as long as they are say every 4 cars I think they would fit in. The after market would be white hot for cars like the Brooklin Buicks for say £10 a shot. And of course IXO would be able to do in resin or do as Police cars etc which would go down well in the states.
Back to Bond ---
Database warehouse have taken orders for 122 and 123 BUT 123 is already out of stock so the pre-orders must have been very high wiping out first batch of imports immediately. I wonder how long we will have to wait till they are back in stock and whether subsequent batches will be rushed and QC problems emerge.
100% agree. A classic US car series based on one or several decades of vehicles would be fantastic (I almost listed the Marlin Rambler fastback but didn't want to list too many old Corgi models!!) As for hot-rods, don't get me started - American Graffiti cars, Barris creations, Boyd Coddington machines............wonderful. As you and Dalko say, let's hope a partwork company is reading this.
Re Database, it's probably true what they're saying but I'd keep ringing them periodically anyway since they don't seem to always be aware of when deliveries are coming in. It would be easy to miss the next one.
Again, not easy trying not to repeat any on your list (which is great) whilst also desperately trying not to make them ALL entirely obvious choices!! See what you think:
67 Pontiac GTO
67 Ford Country Squire (another CS!)
63 TBird Convertible
65 Corvette (boat-tail)
69 Buick Riviera GS Hardtop coupe
61 Chrysler New Yorker
64 Ford Falcon 2dr
65 Plymouth Barracuda
64 Lincoln Comet Convertible
66 Oldsmobile 442 Convertible
Sure!
The 1967 Pontiac GTO as a two-door hardtop came THIS close to making my list; I opted for the Chevelle almost at random. Also, you could probably get a bit more use out of the '67 GTO's mould, since it was THIS close from being a 1967 Pontiac LeMans.
The 1967 Ford Country Squire was the very first LTD-based Country Squire. An excellent choice, as the pre-1969 LTD was pretty nice, but also not the blatant "muscle car with luxury trim" that we see with the earlier second generation LTD. These were hardly pushovers in the engine department, though. If memory serves, they had 302 cid Windsor engines as standard with the 351 Windsor as optional.
The 1963 Ford Thunderbird Convertible was beautiful and nearly made my list. It was classic "early Elwood Engel" in its design, with the famed "streamlined slab" styling we see on Engel's Continentals that dominated the 1960's as well as the very first iterations of the Dodge Monaco. It was also probably the last "sport/luxury" T-Bird rather than the luxury T-Birds we see in the next generation that had great engines but had basically been displaced by the Ford Mustang.
The 1965 Corvette Sting Ray Coupe, like all of the "non-Split Window" Vettes, is probably neglected, but I would say 1965 moreso than any other year. Why? Because that was the year the legendary "Big Block Vette" was introduced with a 396 cid engine. They changed it to a 427 engine the next year, I believe, and also had a bit of a debacle with their fuel-injected 396's putting out LESS power than the ones without FI, but it was a truly awesome car regardless.
The 1969 Buick Riviera GS Hardtop Coupe is a great choice, simply because it was a perfect example of pretty much evenly straddling the line between muscle car and luxury car. One of the very few cars where, by changing the paint color, wheels, and roof options, you could get either or. Ixo's impending 1971 Buick Riviera GS Hardtop Coupe, which was from the third generation, is much more clearly a "muscle car in luxury car dressing".
The 1961 Chrysler New Yorker; it would depend. I already put down a four-door pillarless hardtop for the near-identical 1961 DeSoto, but if you turn it into the New Yorker Town and Country Wagon (which, by the way, was NOT a woody or faux woody) or the New Yorker Convertible (especially), I'd buy it! I believe these also had 413 cid V8 engines as optional.
The 1964 Ford Falcon Sprint (that was the two-door hardtop) would be a great choice. This was the car overshadowed by the Mustang and, had the Mustang not been introduced, this car would have likely been developed into something similar (as the XP and XR Falcons did in Australia). Although part of the ill-fated "second generation" Falcons that only lasted from 1964 to 1965, they frankly looked much better than the "down-sized Fairlane" 1967-1970 models.
The 1965 Plymouth Barracuda is a great choice for the 'Cuda. Although it was released as arguably the first pony car in 1964, it actually really seperated itself from the Plymouth Valiant in terms of actual performance much more in 1965. The 1964 'Cuda was basically a "let's beat the Mustang to the marketplace!" car while the '65 was the actual perfection of the design. Many forget just how well those early 'Cudas competed with the Mustang as well, only really shifting to a different market around 1967-1968.
"64 Lincoln Comet Convertible"
Sorry MCF, but I think you mean the 1964 Mercury Comet Convertible there. Still, the '64 Mercury Comet Convertible represented one early effort to give the Ford Falcon a bit more "oomph!" while maintaining both a nicer brand name and using a V8 engine. The sales of these cars were good enough that a few years later, they found a home on the Ford Fairlane chassis. Very much a "proto-pony car" that seemed to anticipate the arrival of the Ford Mustang without actively competing against it.
The 1966 Olds Cutlass 442 Convertible (as it was still an option for the Cutlass) was very much a "transition muscle car". It didn't have the mean looks just yet, but it let that huge engine do the talking. It still looked a bit like a sporty luxury car, but the marketing toward a younger demographic that really began in 1965-1966 probably solidified Oldsmobile's status as "not your father's Oldsmobile", but rather a true performance car with a gigantic motor that was without question on a par with the Chevelle and GTO.
No offense, but I taught this topic was about the 'James Bond Car Collection'. Now I see alkind of other subjects. Although interesting, I think we get sidetracked.
Maybe an idea to start a new topic? 8-)
No offense taken, but there are two sides to this coin: no offense, but you've not posted in this thread since August 7, 2011. It's been nearly a year. With the massive schedule changes, the regulars like us are trying to find something to do to pass the time. If anyone who posts on a regular basis (say once per week) has any objections, please raise them (although face it: is talking about other 1/43 scale cars and partworks REALLY that objectionable when there's not much else TO talk about?), but this is the first post you've made a post AT ALL ANYWHERE on ajb007 since October 2011.
I just hope someone is reading this from a part work - we are doing their detailed market research for them. The Yank Tank series is really going well here. I'd Vote for some 67/8/9 Ramblers including Marlin fast back. I'd also like to see some early 50's Hudsons they could be really good. I reckon between us we could get this imaginary "Yank Tanks" Partwork up to about 100 parts with no problems. Some of them may even have some connection to Bond films (as in in car park scene!!) LOL.
In fact I don't know why someone doesn't do it I know GM and Ford can be a bit sticky on licensing but not usually too greedy so other than that what's stopping them. The Launch edition should feature something really well known like something that has been in a movie and the part work could be written straight off wikipedia. A special could include a classic US Panel Van towing a trailer with a hot rod on or something like that. They could also slip in a few pre-war classics IXO have a nice Model T already an many have never been modelled in die cast and as long as they are say every 4 cars I think they would fit in. The after market would be white hot for cars like the Brooklin Buicks for say £10 a shot. And of course IXO would be able to do in resin or do as Police cars etc which would go down well in the states.
An excellent idea! I just wish the US were a bit more partwork friendly.
Back to Bond ---
Database warehouse have taken orders for 122 and 123 BUT 123 is already out of stock so the pre-orders must have been very high wiping out first batch of imports immediately. I wonder how long we will have to wait till they are back in stock and whether subsequent batches will be rushed and QC problems emerge.
Not surprised...my dealer called and they're already out of '59 Savoys, though they mentioned that they had them.
No offense, but I taught this topic was about the 'James Bond Car Collection'. Now I see alkind of other subjects. Although interesting, I think we get sidetracked.
Maybe an idea to start a new topic? 8-)
Yep I agree. Whether you are a one time poster or the regular writer of war and peace lets keep other subjects light and keep to the topic. Incidently I think an even better part work would be movie/ tv related cars . I think mcf mentioned this many moons ago. This would obviously include some bond obvious.
Whether you are a one time poster or the regular writer of war and peace lets keep other subjects light and keep to the topic. Incidently I think an even better part work would be movie/ tv related cars .
So, you advocate staying on-topic in one sentence (which is principled/I'd be fine with) and then immediately go OT in the next sentence? Sorry, but I have difficulty taking that seriously. The reason for that is this: why is it perfectly okay to you to chat about TV/Movie cars that have zilch to do with Bond (something which you could...although I will refrain from...arguing is even more off-topic, as it would pertain to entirely different films and TV shows as well as different cars...) but somehow not okay/bad/offensive for non-TV/movie cars in the exact same scale that also have zilch to do with Bond to be discussed? Would you mind clarifying that for me?
No offense, but I taught this topic was about the 'James Bond Car Collection'. Now I see alkind of other subjects. Although interesting, I think we get sidetracked.
Maybe an idea to start a new topic? 8-)
All I would say on this one is that we are most likely in the 'last days' of the JBCC compared to the overall length of time it's been going. The first post on the thread was about 5 and a half years ago, the last one will probably be a matter of months away. Bearing in mind how many hits the thread gets, it appears to have a very strong following, hopefully with a few partwork production company spies looking in and maybe taking notes as to what they can sell this 'JBCC interest group' once it finishes. No, we're not talking about the JBCC so much right now, we're taking the opportunity between releases to talk about what we would like to see once it's all over. Currently, the talk is about an American Classic Car series but as Diecast007 says, it could be a movie/tv related series, it could be James Bond character figures, whatever the biggest common denominator might be. I've seen the suggestions made by EMFabbri in their speculative new partwork questionnaire, and to be honest, unless everyone wants more modern super-cars or Ponyo, it's not looking good. I've worked with advertising, marketing and PR companies for a long time now and can tell you they are only human, not mind readers, if you don't tell them what you want they can only make guesses, sometimes educated, sometimes not!
In short, an open question to everyone on this thread:
On the assumption the JBCC has the end of the road in sight, and you might fancy collecting another partwork, what would you like to see? If it's Bond, what kind of a Bond series? If it's cars, what sort of cars? There's a SLIM chance the right people are reading this and would be interested to know.
Whether you are a one time poster or the regular writer of war and peace lets keep other subjects light and keep to the topic. Incidently I think an even better part work would be movie/ tv related cars .
So, you advocate staying on-topic in one sentence (which is principled/I'd be fine with) and then immediately go OT in the next sentence? Sorry, but I have difficulty taking that seriously. The reason for that is this: why is it perfectly okay to you to chat about TV/Movie cars that have zilch to do with Bond (something which you could...although I will refrain from...arguing is even more off-topic, as it would pertain to entirely different films and TV shows as well as different cars...) but somehow not okay/bad/offensive for non-TV/movie cars in the exact same scale that also have zilch to do with Bond to be discussed? Would you mind clarifying that for me?
I'm not suggesting anything should or should not be discussed ! But whether one regularly contributes to the forum or not has no baring on their point of view and I am going to be bold and state you tend to dominate this forum and with your point of view so i decided to support a fellow poster. I'm all for talking about cars , toys, models the real thing but keep it light and return to topic. That's all I was saying . Put simply sometimes less is more?? Movie / tv cars has everything to do with bond cars .Are James bond cars not the definitive of the genre??
Back to topic ... Those of us that watched the Olympic opening ceremony would have seen Daniel Craig as Bond in a short tableau with Her Majesty the Queen played by herself. It featured an old hackney cab. Opportunity here for a James bond collection 'Olympic Special' . Yes it would mean another taxi but the diorama would feature Buckingham Palace, figures could include bond the Queen and even a couple of corgi's of the dog variety lol. What an Olympic souvenir , a unique special and also momento of one of the highlights of the amazing opening ceremony
No offense, but I taught this topic was about the 'James Bond Car Collection'. Now I see alkind of other subjects. Although interesting, I think we get sidetracked.
Maybe an idea to start a new topic? 8-)
All I would say on this one is that we are most likely in the 'last days' of the JBCC compared to the overall length of time it's been going. The first post on the thread was about 5 and a half years ago, the last one will probably be a matter of months away. Bearing in mind how many hits the thread gets, it appears to have a very strong following, hopefully with a few partwork production company spies looking in and maybe taking notes as to what they can sell this 'JBCC interest group' once it finishes. No, we're not talking about the JBCC so much right now, we're taking the opportunity between releases to talk about what we would like to see once it's all over. Currently, the talk is about an American Classic Car series but as Diecast007 says, it could be a movie/tv related series, it could be James Bond character figures, whatever the biggest common denominator might be. I've seen the suggestions made by EMFabbri in their speculative new partwork questionnaire, and to be honest, unless everyone wants more modern super-cars or Ponyo, it's not looking good. I've worked with advertising, marketing and PR companies for a long time now and can tell you they are only human, not mind readers, if you don't tell them what you want they can only make guesses, sometimes educated, sometimes not!
In short, an open question to everyone on this thread:
On the assumption the JBCC has the end of the road in sight, and you might fancy collecting another partwork, what would you like to see? If it's Bond, what kind of a Bond series? If it's cars, what sort of cars? There's a SLIM chance the right people are reading this and would be interested to know.
So well put that I can only respond with a single word: AMEN! {[]
I am going to be bold and state you tend to dominate this forum and with your point of view so i decided to support a fellow poster.
So you basically supported him just to disagree with me. ::pause:: Okay, I've made a note of that and will keep it mind when communicating with you...something that this has unfortunately revealed I can likely do very little of without meeting with some form of disagreement from you stemming from simple contrarianism for the sheer heck of it rather than any kind of principle.
I am going to be bold and state you tend to dominate this forum and with your point of view so i decided to support a fellow poster.
So you basically supported him just to disagree with me? ::pause:: Okay, I've made a note of that and will communicate with you keeping it in mind... 8-)
No offense, but I taught this topic was about the 'James Bond Car Collection'. Now I see alkind of other subjects. Although interesting, I think we get sidetracked.
Maybe an idea to start a new topic? 8-)
All I would say on this one is that we are most likely in the 'last days' of the JBCC compared to the overall length of time it's been going. The first post on the thread was about 5 and a half years ago, the last one will probably be a matter of months away. Bearing in mind how many hits the thread gets, it appears to have a very strong following, hopefully with a few partwork production company spies looking in and maybe taking notes as to what they can sell this 'JBCC interest group' once it finishes. No, we're not talking about the JBCC so much right now, we're taking the opportunity between releases to talk about what we would like to see once it's all over. Currently, the talk is about an American Classic Car series but as Diecast007 says, it could be a movie/tv related series, it could be James Bond character figures, whatever the biggest common denominator might be. I've seen the suggestions made by EMFabbri in their speculative new partwork questionnaire, and to be honest, unless everyone wants more modern super-cars or Ponyo, it's not looking good. I've worked with advertising, marketing and PR companies for a long time now and can tell you they are only human, not mind readers, if you don't tell them what you want they can only make guesses, sometimes educated, sometimes not!
In short, an open question to everyone on this thread:
On the assumption the JBCC has the end of the road in sight, and you might fancy collecting another partwork, what would you like to see? If it's Bond, what kind of a Bond series? If it's cars, what sort of cars? There's a SLIM chance the right people are reading this and would be interested to know.
Iconic movie scenes featuring a vehicle, just cars is not enough I need another hook such as the movie link. Bond figures would be good also same scale as corgi icons
[...]you tend to dominate this forum and with your point of view so i decided to support a fellow poster.
In other words: "I don't particularly like you i]couldn't care less if you did or not, honestly[/i, I often go out of my way to disagree with you to prove obtuse points, and I'd side with anyone over you just for the heck of it."
I don't care you think of me, as mentioned. I would however like it if you left me alone, stopped repeatedly disagreeing with me when your only reason is being a contrarian, and stopped literally disagreeing with me when your primary motivation is to prove personal, absolutely and completely irrelevant points.
If moderators want to pull us up about widening topic or even move stuff to a new string then fine I'll live with that its what moderators are for. Otherwise as long as we dont wander off topic for too many posts I dont see the harm. As the collection is ending - and Database warehouse confirmed again that 135 is it(For what that is worth) - I see no harm in discussing what we would like to collect next in between models arriving. For some that will have a Bond flavour, others more general movie related stuff, and for the car centrics it will be more general. I note that talk is all about JBCC when the models actually arrive which is how it should be.
Meantime I think it would be be better if we didnt argue with each other in public and make/take things personally.
Do we now think that the dissappointing 131-5 on Wikepedia is likely to be correct?
If moderators want to pull us up about widening topic or even move stuff to a new string then fine I'll live with that its what moderators are for. Otherwise as long as we dont wander off topic for too many posts I dont see the harm. As the collection is ending - and Database warehouse confirmed again that 135 is it(For what that is worth) - I see no harm in discussing what we would like to collect next in between models arriving. For some that will have a Bond flavour, others more general movie related stuff, and for the car centrics it will be more general. I note that talk is all about JBCC when the models actually arrive which is how it should be.
Meantime I think it would be be better if we didnt argue with each other in public and make/take things personally.
Do we now think that the dissappointing 131-5 on Wikepedia is likely to be correct?
Personally I see no reason to doubt the list of vehicles given as 131-5, whether 136-140 (empty boxes last time I looked) will happen, who knows? Ixo could certainly get rid of a lot of Skyfall modern Beetles in that slot if they want to. Which kind of brings me to a topic suggestion:
It seems unlikely that our 'wishlist' will be fulfilled, so how about reworking it as an 'Unseen' or 'Missing' list? In other words we take the wishlist and start detailing where we can find the nearest thing to each model that hasn't appeared in the JBCC to date - so if the Skyfall Beetle doesn't appear in the JBCC, Ixo make one in the same colour at the right scale if any of us want it. This could be a 'one stop' reference guide we can all use after the JBCC finishes to supplement our collections, without trawling through the entire thread looking for snippets of information. We could include the two missing Bond movies 'Casino Royale' and 'Never Say Never Again' and broaden it out to include models available that are relevant to Bond but didn't make it onto the wishlist. I'll mention again the Vauxhall Velox made by Vanguards in the correct Dr.No colour as an example.
I'll re-post the list again below - who makes models of these cars/vehicles that come closest? Maybe we can discuss them individually and share photos, particularly of things like the Kenworth and the Beemer bike.
I'd just like to add,that by not sticking more closely to the JBCC and related topics on this forum,tends to alienate first time partwork collectors and can make you feel a bit excluded at times.I have felt this sometimes,just because you do not have extensive knowledge of model cars&collecting your posts are over looked.
I do agree with Tibre007,this forum should stick to JBCC matters,then everyone can join in.That's my take on the situation.
DN 1961 Chevrolet Impala Four-Door Sedan (This was Felix's Chase Car) DN Vauxhall Velox - Made by Corgi/Vanguards in the correct scale and colour
FRWL Chevy 1-Ton Stakebed Truck
FRWL Kerim Bey's Rolls-Royce Silver Wraith
GF Merc 180 bad guys pursuit car
GF Merc 220S Odd Job car
GF WW2 Willys Jeep
TB 1964 Lincoln Continental Lehmann-Peterson stretch limo
TB 1965 Lincoln Continental 4-door convertible (top up)
TB Fiona Volpe's BSA motorcycle
TB Ford Zephyr 6
TB Bomb Sled with Tow Sled outriders
YOLT 1964 Dodge Polara 500 Sedan
OHMSS 1968 Ford Escort Mk. I Rallye
OHMSS Draco's Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow convertible
OHMSS Bobsleds
OHMSS Mercedes Minibus
DAF Ford LVPD police car (blue/white)
DAF 1971 Ford Thunderbird
DAF Honda tricycle from Moonbuggy chase
DAF Bathosub
DAF Merc 600 grösse
LALD AEC REGENT Bus without top deck
LALD Power boat crashed into side of Sheriff Pepper's car
LALD 1973 Chevy Bel Air Louisiana State Police
TMWTGG 1974 AMC Matador Sedan "Thai Police Car"
TSWLM Wetbike with RM figure
MR Shuttle
MR Cable Car
FYEO 1974 Mercedes-Benz 450SEL
OP 1977 (i.e. second generation) Scaldia-Volga M24 Luxe Sedan
AVTAK American LaFrance Fire engine
AVTAK 1984 Jeep Cherokee
TLD Audi 200 Avant (but please a real 200 and no Audi V8 clone)
TLD Wales & Edwards Rangemaster Milk Float
TLD 59 Chevy Impala Convertible/ Street Rod
TLD Standard (non-gadget) Aston Martin V8 Vantage or corrected Volante
LTK Kenworth
LTK Lincoln Mk. VII Coupe (Felix's Lincoln)
LTK Dodge Ram Pickup
LTK Utilimaster Aeromaster Van
GE UAZ-469B/UAZ-31512 4x4
GE Cagiva 350 with Bond on it (chasing the plane)
TND BMW R1200C bike
DAD Invisible Aston Martin Vanquish
DAD Rocket sled
CR Tanker Truck, battered under the wing of the Skyfleet prototype. CR Ford Mondeo - A similar Mondeo is made by Minichamps in the correct scale
CR 2005 Škoda Octavia Police
CR Chevrolet G-Series Van (With DC on back before he jumps fence)
CR International 4900 fuel truck (with DC on roof)
CR Airport passenger bus or baggage trailer.
SF Standard (non-gadget) Aston Martin DB5
SF Jaguar XJL SF Modern Beetle - made by Ixo in the correct scale and colour
PLEASE ADD/AMMEND DETAILS OF MODELS MADE OF THESE AND ANY OTHER BOND VEHICLES AND RE-POST!!
Showed my attempt on the Cresta a while ago. Somewhere on postings just before it is shown one of us with eagle eyes even posted the reg number for us. Ford Zephyr 6 was made by Vanguards in lots of colours incl black if I remember correctly. RR Silver Wraith only in resin at the moment since old Dinky is wrong scale - resin RR Shadows available too for loads of money. Escort could be created with work from a Vanguards Rally car. Web abounds with MB600 LWB from Vitesse in lots dark colours certainly Black and Blue - can't tell what it is from imcdb shot. Sure Abrex (Hongwell) probably did a suitable Octavia for enhancing. That is just off the top of my head. Sadly we will have to wait for an XJ-L until Norev or someone makes an expensive one since I think skyfall royalties have probably limited cars to be included in JBCC.
So with a bit of gumption Fabbri/Eaglemoss could have bought in runs of models from multiple suppliers easing the burden on IXO and making collectors happier and themselves some more money... Corgi alone could have done four models and made money out of moulds that they wouldn't make otherwise. The fourth is the red/white Hillman MInx III parked beside the Ford Anglia in Dr No.
Sad if 131-5 is as listed in Wikipedia since for me there are 5 better cars to do several from Skyfall for example.
For myself I like to read people with knowledge and expertise sharing them with all. It may be daunting or even boring sometimes but it's how I learn all about what I dont know. If there were nothing but gushing comment from new collectors I for one would not have stayed reading this board.
I note that talk is all about JBCC when the models actually arrive which is how it should be.
Meantime I think it would be be better if we didnt argue with each other in public and make/take things personally.
Do we now think that the dissappointing 131-5 on Wikepedia is likely to be correct?
Sounds good to me. As for 131-135...probably, if only for an eminently-verifiable and multi-sourced statistic I PM'ed to both you and MCF that I literally hesitate to post on this board for fear of retribution. I also agree with this; until a moderator shows up and starts telling us we can only talk about what amounts to recycled ideas, forget it.
I'd just like to add,that by not sticking more closely to the JBCC and related topics on this forum,tends to alienate first time partwork collectors and can make you feel a bit excluded at times.I have felt this sometimes,just because you do not have extensive knowledge of model cars&collecting your posts are over looked.
Winnie, I've responded to most of your posts here. How is that overlooked? Also, I define 1/43 scale cars that are selling well out of this collection as being related. Same scale, same era, same likely manufacturer. Furthermore, I can tell you with absolute certainty and two verifiable sources I can PM you with if necessary that subscriptions are dwindling. There aren't many new people on the boards TO exclude.
Just a quick correction...this issue is confirmed as (I think) 127.
The list is in its 'raw state' as of Feb this year plus 3 minor additions I made (in italics) so I haven't deleted or added anything that's been made or due to be made. Feel free to correct it, add any known model details, and add anything else from a Bond movie that's been modelled - that applies to anyone reading this!
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I'd be interested to see that list - if everyone else here doesn't mind! 8-)
Believe it or not, they're in there loose enough that you can fix these with tweezers.
Pretty much sums it up here in US regarding toy shows as well. The reason why train shows seem to survive is that there's no guarantee of buying a working locomotive over the internet (and most of the locomotives sold are of the old/used kind). Virtually all train shows have a test track where you can actually run the locomotive.
Thanks for the tip...I'll try and pass this along to my dealer!
You asked for it!
1) 1960 Edsel Ranger Convertible. Brooklin actually did do this car and it remains one of the most desirable (albeit not one of the most rare) cars of the Brooklin "pre-detail" era. The grille is radically different than the Edsel we're familiar with from 1958 and is said to have inspired the look on Pontiac's grilles throughout the decade.
2) 1961 DeSoto Four-Door Pillarless Hardtop. The last Edsel could be followed up on with the very last DeSoto. A beautiful car, the 1961 DeSoto for the American market was essentially a Chrysler with a lower level of trim and a nicer, cleaner-looking grille. Exported to Australia and South Africa along with the "export-only" Diplomat and Adventurer, a right-hand drive model could also be made, as it WAS a popular car in both countries (well, South Africa, anyway, and they imported from Australia).
3) 1961 Chevrolet Impala SS 409. Although opinion remains split whether this car was the first muscle car or not, I'd definitely give it the prize. It gave us one of the Beach Boys' best songs (where it was VERY much a muscle car), the legendary "SS" designation, and unlike many of the "proto-muscle" cars like the Chrysler 300, Mercury Montclair, and Hudson Hornet, it had pretty mean looks, too. Surprisingly, this two-door couple has never been modeled in any scale, I don't believe. The '62 Impala SS 409 has (albeit not in 1/43), but it wasn't the first!
4) 1962 Chevrolet Corvair Monza Convertible. Probably the most interesting Corvair variant in the most interesting Corvair year, yet we've only seen 1960 models from Franklin Mint, Dinky, and Corgi, plus 1965 models from Yat Ming.
5) 1964 Pontiac Tempest GTO. The first GTO and some will argue the first muscle car. I disagree with the latter, but it had mean looks, 348 horsepower (you could tune it to 400) and could go from 0-60 in 6.6 seconds. I've always preferred the look of the convertible to the hardtop. Also, you'd expect that a bunch of companies have done this car, right? Wrong. Sun Star did a hotrod version I've seen Code 3'd in a bunch of ways and Johnny Lightning briefly did a 1/64 scale toy. That's all we've seen of this car. To be brutally honest, SOMEBODY should do this one either as a ragtop or hardtop as it came from the factory; there would be a market in almost ANY scale.
6) 1965 Dodge Polara Four-Door Sedan. Popular as a police car and taxi as well as a civilian car, the Polara was arguably the best police car until the late 1960's came along. It may have looked like a fairly utilitarian sedan (although it had an awesome-looking grille), but its gutsy engine range, being made into a full-size car, and eventually spawning the police-favorite Monaco make the '65 model year Polara stand out.
7) 1966 Ford Fairlane 500XL Two-Door. Arguably the most underrated muscle car of all time (at least since people figured out what the AMX was/is capable of...), the Fairlane 500XL looked a bit like a down-sized Galaxie and was probably the victim more of poor marketing than anything else. Indeed, these cars had V8's capable of putting out around 425 horsepower, but were still basically sold as run-of-the-mill, mid-sized cars that just happened to be sporty. This Fairlane design only lasted two years (1966 and 1967) before giving way to a correctly-marketed, much more muscle-car-like version. However, its importance in representing a stylistic transition from "smaller car with a huge engine" to "huge, high-performance car with a huge engine" is evident in both the car's design and quite frankly, in subsequent marketing. It's about halfway in-between the two concepts and illustrates a "transition muscle car" extremely well.
8) 1967 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 396 Hardtop. The very last of the "first generation" Chevelles deserves mention here. It was still VERY much a two-door sedan, yet it had acquired absolutely everything needed to become the monster 1968-1971 "second generation" except for the distinctive fastback look. A classic muscle car that's frankly been neglected.
9) 1968 AMX with Go Package. A muscle car by definition, American Motors' first entry into the field proved surprisingly good. Not only did it look, feel, drive, and sound like a muscle car should, but it even took some extra steps. Many forget that the first generation AMX only had two seats. It was built for performance and performance almost excusively. There was probably a reason as to why the AMX was Craig Breedlove's favorite car and also nicknamed "the American Ferrari". The AMX was also surprisingly safe for its time and quite frankly, any AMX made from 1968-1970 with the Go Pack was a factory-built hotrod. Had anyone BUT American Motors built this car, it would have gained much more recognition and become much more of a legend than it's become. But the joke at the time was that "AMC" was an acronym for "A Moron's Car" and it was difficult to take the AMX seriously. It was probably the most blatant case of automotive snobbery during the decade. Most of the people blasting the AMX and refusing to believe the reports of just how well it performed had either never ridden in one or never driven one! While Western Models actually DID make a 1/43 scale 1969 AMX with Go Package, said model set me back $250+ (and by the way, the dealer that originally had five of them sold them in a week...the suggested MSR was supposedly $300, but the seller didn't think ANY of them would sell at that price!). For added appeal, all of the AMX variants were sold in Australia into 1970 as the Rambler AMX...with right-hand drive and VERY capable of giving the famed Falcon GTHO (Phase I, Phase II, AND Phase III) a run for its money.
10) 1969 Chevrolet Chevelle COPO 427. I was shocked that this car had been modelled only once in ANY scale. Don Yenko's COPO 427 Chevelle was arguably the meanest muscle car of the 1960's when you balance everything out...and yet, Ertl apparently did one model in 1/18 scale, and that was IT (well, except for Racing Champions doing a 1/64 scale version)! We may be swimming in COPO Camaros and even have affordable 1/43 scale Yenko Deuces (i.e. COPO Chevy Novas), but not ONE '69 COPO Chevelle 427? I admit, I featured a Chevelle earlier that I believe was neglected (the '67), but come on! No muscle car collection is complete without the COPO Chevelle 427...it was a spectacular muscle car and I'd have expected it to have been overmodeled if anything! Apparently not; wow!
Now let's see yours!
Again, not easy trying not to repeat any on your list (which is great) whilst also desperately trying not to make them ALL entirely obvious choices!! See what you think:
67 Pontiac GTO
67 Ford Country Squire (another CS!)
63 TBird Convertible
65 Corvette (boat-tail)
69 Buick Riviera GS Hardtop coupe
61 Chrysler New Yorker
64 Ford Falcon 2dr
65 Plymouth Barracuda
64 Lincoln Comet Convertible
66 Oldsmobile 442 Convertible
I agree that the 1964 Ertl Impala SS 409 was a good model, but by then, you'd had some pretty serious changes to the design.
And no, I would not at all mind a 1961 Rambler Ambassador Custom V-8 Four-Door Sedan!
That's very interesting, thanks for that. So it seems that my hunting ground of eBay is indeed the new global swapmeet. That's good to know. The last item I managed to buy in a swapmeet-environment was a resin Alezan Alfa Romeo Delfino concept from the Brooklands Auto Italia day a couple of months back. Just like Dalkowski's point about running trains at train shows to prove they work, for handbuilt-from-kit models there is no substitute for seeing a model up close. I have been pleasantly surprised and also disappointed by handbuilts I have bought from eBay - photos can be misleading in positive and negative directions.
In fact I don't know why someone doesn't do it I know GM and Ford can be a bit sticky on licensing but not usually too greedy so other than that what's stopping them. The Launch edition should feature something really well known like something that has been in a movie and the part work could be written straight off wikipedia. A special could include a classic US Panel Van towing a trailer with a hot rod on or something like that. They could also slip in a few pre-war classics IXO have a nice Model T already an many have never been modelled in die cast and as long as they are say every 4 cars I think they would fit in. The after market would be white hot for cars like the Brooklin Buicks for say £10 a shot. And of course IXO would be able to do in resin or do as Police cars etc which would go down well in the states.
Back to Bond ---
Database warehouse have taken orders for 122 and 123 BUT 123 is already out of stock so the pre-orders must have been very high wiping out first batch of imports immediately. I wonder how long we will have to wait till they are back in stock and whether subsequent batches will be rushed and QC problems emerge.
Re Database, it's probably true what they're saying but I'd keep ringing them periodically anyway since they don't seem to always be aware of when deliveries are coming in. It would be easy to miss the next one.
Sure!
The 1967 Pontiac GTO as a two-door hardtop came THIS close to making my list; I opted for the Chevelle almost at random. Also, you could probably get a bit more use out of the '67 GTO's mould, since it was THIS close from being a 1967 Pontiac LeMans.
The 1967 Ford Country Squire was the very first LTD-based Country Squire. An excellent choice, as the pre-1969 LTD was pretty nice, but also not the blatant "muscle car with luxury trim" that we see with the earlier second generation LTD. These were hardly pushovers in the engine department, though. If memory serves, they had 302 cid Windsor engines as standard with the 351 Windsor as optional.
The 1963 Ford Thunderbird Convertible was beautiful and nearly made my list. It was classic "early Elwood Engel" in its design, with the famed "streamlined slab" styling we see on Engel's Continentals that dominated the 1960's as well as the very first iterations of the Dodge Monaco. It was also probably the last "sport/luxury" T-Bird rather than the luxury T-Birds we see in the next generation that had great engines but had basically been displaced by the Ford Mustang.
The 1965 Corvette Sting Ray Coupe, like all of the "non-Split Window" Vettes, is probably neglected, but I would say 1965 moreso than any other year. Why? Because that was the year the legendary "Big Block Vette" was introduced with a 396 cid engine. They changed it to a 427 engine the next year, I believe, and also had a bit of a debacle with their fuel-injected 396's putting out LESS power than the ones without FI, but it was a truly awesome car regardless.
The 1969 Buick Riviera GS Hardtop Coupe is a great choice, simply because it was a perfect example of pretty much evenly straddling the line between muscle car and luxury car. One of the very few cars where, by changing the paint color, wheels, and roof options, you could get either or. Ixo's impending 1971 Buick Riviera GS Hardtop Coupe, which was from the third generation, is much more clearly a "muscle car in luxury car dressing".
The 1961 Chrysler New Yorker; it would depend. I already put down a four-door pillarless hardtop for the near-identical 1961 DeSoto, but if you turn it into the New Yorker Town and Country Wagon (which, by the way, was NOT a woody or faux woody) or the New Yorker Convertible (especially), I'd buy it! I believe these also had 413 cid V8 engines as optional.
The 1964 Ford Falcon Sprint (that was the two-door hardtop) would be a great choice. This was the car overshadowed by the Mustang and, had the Mustang not been introduced, this car would have likely been developed into something similar (as the XP and XR Falcons did in Australia). Although part of the ill-fated "second generation" Falcons that only lasted from 1964 to 1965, they frankly looked much better than the "down-sized Fairlane" 1967-1970 models.
The 1965 Plymouth Barracuda is a great choice for the 'Cuda. Although it was released as arguably the first pony car in 1964, it actually really seperated itself from the Plymouth Valiant in terms of actual performance much more in 1965. The 1964 'Cuda was basically a "let's beat the Mustang to the marketplace!" car while the '65 was the actual perfection of the design. Many forget just how well those early 'Cudas competed with the Mustang as well, only really shifting to a different market around 1967-1968.
"64 Lincoln Comet Convertible"
Sorry MCF, but I think you mean the 1964 Mercury Comet Convertible there.
The 1966 Olds Cutlass 442 Convertible (as it was still an option for the Cutlass) was very much a "transition muscle car". It didn't have the mean looks just yet, but it let that huge engine do the talking. It still looked a bit like a sporty luxury car, but the marketing toward a younger demographic that really began in 1965-1966 probably solidified Oldsmobile's status as "not your father's Oldsmobile", but rather a true performance car with a gigantic motor that was without question on a par with the Chevelle and GTO.
In short, I approve!
Maybe an idea to start a new topic? 8-)
An excellent idea! I just wish the US were a bit more partwork friendly.
Not surprised...my dealer called and they're already out of '59 Savoys, though they mentioned that they had them.
Yep I agree. Whether you are a one time poster or the regular writer of war and peace lets keep other subjects light and keep to the topic. Incidently I think an even better part work would be movie/ tv related cars . I think mcf mentioned this many moons ago. This would obviously include some bond obvious.
So, you advocate staying on-topic in one sentence (which is principled/I'd be fine with) and then immediately go OT in the next sentence? Sorry, but I have difficulty taking that seriously. The reason for that is this: why is it perfectly okay to you to chat about TV/Movie cars that have zilch to do with Bond (something which you could...although I will refrain from...arguing is even more off-topic, as it would pertain to entirely different films and TV shows as well as different cars...) but somehow not okay/bad/offensive for non-TV/movie cars in the exact same scale that also have zilch to do with Bond to be discussed? Would you mind clarifying that for me?
All I would say on this one is that we are most likely in the 'last days' of the JBCC compared to the overall length of time it's been going. The first post on the thread was about 5 and a half years ago, the last one will probably be a matter of months away. Bearing in mind how many hits the thread gets, it appears to have a very strong following, hopefully with a few partwork production company spies looking in and maybe taking notes as to what they can sell this 'JBCC interest group' once it finishes. No, we're not talking about the JBCC so much right now, we're taking the opportunity between releases to talk about what we would like to see once it's all over. Currently, the talk is about an American Classic Car series but as Diecast007 says, it could be a movie/tv related series, it could be James Bond character figures, whatever the biggest common denominator might be. I've seen the suggestions made by EMFabbri in their speculative new partwork questionnaire, and to be honest, unless everyone wants more modern super-cars or Ponyo, it's not looking good. I've worked with advertising, marketing and PR companies for a long time now and can tell you they are only human, not mind readers, if you don't tell them what you want they can only make guesses, sometimes educated, sometimes not!
In short, an open question to everyone on this thread:
On the assumption the JBCC has the end of the road in sight, and you might fancy collecting another partwork, what would you like to see? If it's Bond, what kind of a Bond series? If it's cars, what sort of cars? There's a SLIM chance the right people are reading this and would be interested to know.
I'm not suggesting anything should or should not be discussed ! But whether one regularly contributes to the forum or not has no baring on their point of view and I am going to be bold and state you tend to dominate this forum and with your point of view so i decided to support a fellow poster. I'm all for talking about cars , toys, models the real thing but keep it light and return to topic. That's all I was saying . Put simply sometimes less is more?? Movie / tv cars has everything to do with bond cars .Are James bond cars not the definitive of the genre??
Back to topic ... Those of us that watched the Olympic opening ceremony would have seen Daniel Craig as Bond in a short tableau with Her Majesty the Queen played by herself. It featured an old hackney cab. Opportunity here for a James bond collection 'Olympic Special' . Yes it would mean another taxi but the diorama would feature Buckingham Palace, figures could include bond the Queen and even a couple of corgi's of the dog variety lol. What an Olympic souvenir , a unique special and also momento of one of the highlights of the amazing opening ceremony
So well put that I can only respond with a single word: AMEN! {[]
So you basically supported him just to disagree with me. ::pause:: Okay, I've made a note of that and will keep it mind when communicating with you...something that this has unfortunately revealed I can likely do very little of without meeting with some form of disagreement from you stemming from simple contrarianism for the sheer heck of it rather than any kind of principle.
No I supported him !
Iconic movie scenes featuring a vehicle, just cars is not enough I need another hook such as the movie link. Bond figures would be good also same scale as corgi icons
You did, but your reasoning was more than a little off. I wasn't born yesterday, sorry. You supported him because...
In other words: "I don't particularly like you i]couldn't care less if you did or not, honestly[/i, I often go out of my way to disagree with you to prove obtuse points, and I'd side with anyone over you just for the heck of it."
I don't care you think of me, as mentioned. I would however like it if you left me alone, stopped repeatedly disagreeing with me when your only reason is being a contrarian, and stopped literally disagreeing with me when your primary motivation is to prove personal, absolutely and completely irrelevant points.
Meantime I think it would be be better if we didnt argue with each other in public and make/take things personally.
Do we now think that the dissappointing 131-5 on Wikepedia is likely to be correct?
Personally I see no reason to doubt the list of vehicles given as 131-5, whether 136-140 (empty boxes last time I looked) will happen, who knows? Ixo could certainly get rid of a lot of Skyfall modern Beetles in that slot if they want to. Which kind of brings me to a topic suggestion:
It seems unlikely that our 'wishlist' will be fulfilled, so how about reworking it as an 'Unseen' or 'Missing' list? In other words we take the wishlist and start detailing where we can find the nearest thing to each model that hasn't appeared in the JBCC to date - so if the Skyfall Beetle doesn't appear in the JBCC, Ixo make one in the same colour at the right scale if any of us want it. This could be a 'one stop' reference guide we can all use after the JBCC finishes to supplement our collections, without trawling through the entire thread looking for snippets of information. We could include the two missing Bond movies 'Casino Royale' and 'Never Say Never Again' and broaden it out to include models available that are relevant to Bond but didn't make it onto the wishlist. I'll mention again the Vauxhall Velox made by Vanguards in the correct Dr.No colour as an example.
I'll re-post the list again below - who makes models of these cars/vehicles that come closest? Maybe we can discuss them individually and share photos, particularly of things like the Kenworth and the Beemer bike.
I do agree with Tibre007,this forum should stick to JBCC matters,then everyone can join in.That's my take on the situation.
DN 1961 Chevrolet Impala Four-Door Sedan (This was Felix's Chase Car)
DN Vauxhall Velox - Made by Corgi/Vanguards in the correct scale and colour
FRWL Chevy 1-Ton Stakebed Truck
FRWL Kerim Bey's Rolls-Royce Silver Wraith
GF Merc 180 bad guys pursuit car
GF Merc 220S Odd Job car
GF WW2 Willys Jeep
TB 1964 Lincoln Continental Lehmann-Peterson stretch limo
TB 1965 Lincoln Continental 4-door convertible (top up)
TB Fiona Volpe's BSA motorcycle
TB Ford Zephyr 6
TB Bomb Sled with Tow Sled outriders
YOLT 1964 Dodge Polara 500 Sedan
OHMSS 1968 Ford Escort Mk. I Rallye
OHMSS Draco's Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow convertible
OHMSS Bobsleds
OHMSS Mercedes Minibus
DAF Ford LVPD police car (blue/white)
DAF 1971 Ford Thunderbird
DAF Honda tricycle from Moonbuggy chase
DAF Bathosub
DAF Merc 600 grösse
LALD AEC REGENT Bus without top deck
LALD Power boat crashed into side of Sheriff Pepper's car
LALD 1973 Chevy Bel Air Louisiana State Police
TMWTGG 1974 AMC Matador Sedan "Thai Police Car"
TSWLM Wetbike with RM figure
MR Shuttle
MR Cable Car
FYEO 1974 Mercedes-Benz 450SEL
OP 1977 (i.e. second generation) Scaldia-Volga M24 Luxe Sedan
AVTAK American LaFrance Fire engine
AVTAK 1984 Jeep Cherokee
TLD Audi 200 Avant (but please a real 200 and no Audi V8 clone)
TLD Wales & Edwards Rangemaster Milk Float
TLD 59 Chevy Impala Convertible/ Street Rod
TLD Standard (non-gadget) Aston Martin V8 Vantage or corrected Volante
LTK Kenworth
LTK Lincoln Mk. VII Coupe (Felix's Lincoln)
LTK Dodge Ram Pickup
LTK Utilimaster Aeromaster Van
GE UAZ-469B/UAZ-31512 4x4
GE Cagiva 350 with Bond on it (chasing the plane)
TND BMW R1200C bike
DAD Invisible Aston Martin Vanquish
DAD Rocket sled
CR Tanker Truck, battered under the wing of the Skyfleet prototype.
CR Ford Mondeo - A similar Mondeo is made by Minichamps in the correct scale
CR 2005 Škoda Octavia Police
CR Chevrolet G-Series Van (With DC on back before he jumps fence)
CR International 4900 fuel truck (with DC on roof)
CR Airport passenger bus or baggage trailer.
SF Standard (non-gadget) Aston Martin DB5
SF Jaguar XJL
SF Modern Beetle - made by Ixo in the correct scale and colour
PLEASE ADD/AMMEND DETAILS OF MODELS MADE OF THESE AND ANY OTHER BOND VEHICLES AND RE-POST!!
So with a bit of gumption Fabbri/Eaglemoss could have bought in runs of models from multiple suppliers easing the burden on IXO and making collectors happier and themselves some more money... Corgi alone could have done four models and made money out of moulds that they wouldn't make otherwise. The fourth is the red/white Hillman MInx III parked beside the Ford Anglia in Dr No.
Sad if 131-5 is as listed in Wikipedia since for me there are 5 better cars to do several from Skyfall for example.
For myself I like to read people with knowledge and expertise sharing them with all. It may be daunting or even boring sometimes but it's how I learn all about what I dont know. If there were nothing but gushing comment from new collectors I for one would not have stayed reading this board.
Sounds good to me. As for 131-135...probably, if only for an eminently-verifiable and multi-sourced statistic I PM'ed to both you and MCF that I literally hesitate to post on this board for fear of retribution. I also agree with this; until a moderator shows up and starts telling us we can only talk about what amounts to recycled ideas, forget it.
Winnie, I've responded to most of your posts here. How is that overlooked? Also, I define 1/43 scale cars that are selling well out of this collection as being related. Same scale, same era, same likely manufacturer. Furthermore, I can tell you with absolute certainty and two verifiable sources I can PM you with if necessary that subscriptions are dwindling. There aren't many new people on the boards TO exclude.
Just a quick correction...this issue is confirmed as (I think) 127.
The list is in its 'raw state' as of Feb this year plus 3 minor additions I made (in italics) so I haven't deleted or added anything that's been made or due to be made. Feel free to correct it, add any known model details, and add anything else from a Bond movie that's been modelled - that applies to anyone reading this!
Did anyone track down a 1.43 Kenworth?