James Bond Car Collection - Questions and praise

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  • Kissy SuzukiKissy Suzuki IrelandPosts: 66MI6 Agent
    Anyone know when the Plymouth Savoy is due to appear in the shops?
  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    Anyone know when the Plymouth Savoy is due to appear in the shops?

    For some reason, the dealers have a tentative date of August 8 now. I'm not sure why, but there you have it. The no-longer-active dealer I speak with thinks that they'll have a different schedule with dealers, the one still active thinks that after an unknown number of issues, they'll start releasing them to dealers one per week to make up for the lost time.
    Did anyone track down a 1.43 Kenworth?

    It needs some rather serious modifications as well as detailing and re-doing certain parts, but New Ray does. Here's a picture to give you an idea...

    http://di1-4.shoppingshadow.com/images/pi/1f/c2/86/105391059-260x260-0-0_New+Ray+Kenworth+W900+Truck+Semi+Trailer+1+43+Whit.jpg
    By the way, are you gonna eat that?
  • Diecast007Diecast007 Posts: 576MI6 Agent
    Diecast007 wrote:
    No I supported him !

    You did, but your reasoning was more than a little off. I wasn't born yesterday, sorry. You supported him because...
    Diecast007 wrote:
    [...]you tend to dominate this forum and with your point of view so i decided to support a fellow poster.

    In other words: "I don't particularly like you i]couldn't care less if you did or not, honestly[/i, I often go out of my way to disagree with you to prove obtuse points, and I'd side with anyone over you just for the heck of it."

    I don't care you think of me, as mentioned. I would however like it if you left me alone, stopped repeatedly disagreeing with me when your only reason is being a contrarian, and stopped literally disagreeing with me when your primary motivation is to prove personal, absolutely and completely irrelevant points.

    eh! :s
  • Diecast007Diecast007 Posts: 576MI6 Agent
    I am in my mid forties have collected die cast since a child. Never have I come across such nonsense in all my life. I can't believe I am being spoken to in such away especially in this a forum talking about model cars. It would seem we have gone back in time when only one opinion counted and I ended up leaving the forum. X-(

    Btw maybe overlooked or not of interest but anybody else like the idea of the James bond Olympic special . Movie car fan can you add it to your list of wants.

    I am still missing a couple of issues . Will chase them up on telephone?
  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    UNSEEN JBCC MODELS:

    DN 1961 Chevrolet Impala Four-Door Sedan (This was Felix's Chase Car)
    DN Vauxhall Velox - Made by Corgi/Vanguards in the correct scale and colour
    FRWL Kerim Bey's Rolls-Royce Silver Wraith
    GF Merc 220S Odd Job car (in correct form)
    GF Willys M38 Korean War Jeep
    TB 1965 Lincoln Continental 4-door convertible (top up)
    TB Fiona Volpe's BSA motorcycle
    TB Ford Zephyr 6
    TB Triumph Herald Drophead Coupe
    TB Bomb Sled with Tow Sled outriders
    YOLT 1964 Dodge Polara 500 Sedan
    OHMSS 1968 Ford Escort Mk. I Rallye
    OHMSS Draco's Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow convertible
    OHMSS Bobsleds
    OHMSS Mercedes Minibus
    DAF Ford LVPD police car (blue/white)
    DAF 1971 Ford Thunderbird
    DAF Honda tricycle from Moonbuggy chase
    DAF Bathosub
    DAF Merc 600 grösse
    LALD AEC REGENT Bus without top deck
    LALD Power boat crashed into side of Sheriff Pepper's car
    LALD 1973 Chevy Bel Air Louisiana State Police
    TMWTGG 1974 AMC Matador Sedan "Thai Police Car"
    TMWTGG 1955 Chevrolet One Fifty Two-Door Sedan
    TSWLM Wetbike with RM figure
    MR Shuttle
    MR Cable Car
    AVTAK American LaFrance Fire engine
    AVTAK 1984 Jeep Cherokee
    TLD Audi 200 Avant (but please a real 200 and no Audi V8 clone)
    TLD 59 Chevy Impala Convertible/ Street Rod
    TLD Standard (non-gadget) Aston Martin V8 Vantage or corrected Volante
    LTK Kenworth
    LTK Lincoln Mk. VII Coupe (Felix's Lincoln)
    LTK Mercury Grand Marquis Limousine
    LTK Utilimaster Aeromaster Van
    GE UAZ-469B/UAZ-31512 4x4
    GE Cagiva 350 with Bond on it (chasing the plane)
    TND BMW R1200C bike
    DAD Invisible Aston Martin Vanquish
    DAD Rocket sled
    CR Tanker Truck, battered under the wing of the Skyfleet prototype.
    CR Ford Mondeo - A similar Mondeo is made by Minichamps in the correct scale
    CR 2005 Škoda Octavia Police
    CR Chevrolet G-Series Van (With DC on back before he jumps fence)
    CR International 4900 fuel truck (with DC on roof)
    CR Airport passenger bus or baggage trailer.
    SF Standard (non-gadget) Aston Martin DB5
    SF Jaguar XJL
    SF Modern Beetle - made by Ixo in the correct scale and colour

    Merely deleted the vehicles confirmed (save the Merc 180 from GF, since we got that instead of the 220S) and added some of my own (Mercury Grand Marquis Limo from LTK*, TB Trimuph Herald Drophead Coupe, TMWTGG 1955 Chevrolet One Fifty Two-Door Sedan)! :)

    *Note that there's been debate as to whether this car was badged as Ford (which would be correct for South America and Mexico) or Mercury (which the trim level seems to indicate it is).
    By the way, are you gonna eat that?
  • Diecast007Diecast007 Posts: 576MI6 Agent
    UNSEEN JBCC MODELS:

    DN 1961 Chevrolet Impala Four-Door Sedan (This was Felix's Chase Car)
    DN Vauxhall Velox - Made by Corgi/Vanguards in the correct scale and colour
    FRWL Kerim Bey's Rolls-Royce Silver Wraith
    GF Merc 220S Odd Job car (in correct form)
    GF Willys M38 Korean War Jeep
    TB 1965 Lincoln Continental 4-door convertible (top up)
    TB Fiona Volpe's BSA motorcycle
    TB Ford Zephyr 6
    TB Triumph Herald Drophead Coupe
    TB Bomb Sled with Tow Sled outriders
    YOLT 1964 Dodge Polara 500 Sedan
    OHMSS 1968 Ford Escort Mk. I Rallye
    OHMSS Draco's Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow convertible
    OHMSS Bobsleds
    OHMSS Mercedes Minibus
    DAF Ford LVPD police car (blue/white)
    DAF 1971 Ford Thunderbird
    DAF Honda tricycle from Moonbuggy chase
    DAF Bathosub
    DAF Merc 600 grösse
    LALD AEC REGENT Bus without top deck
    LALD Power boat crashed into side of Sheriff Pepper's car
    LALD 1973 Chevy Bel Air Louisiana State Police
    TMWTGG 1974 AMC Matador Sedan "Thai Police Car"
    TMWTGG 1955 Chevrolet One Fifty Two-Door Sedan
    TSWLM Wetbike with RM figure
    MR Shuttle
    MR Cable Car
    AVTAK American LaFrance Fire engine
    AVTAK 1984 Jeep Cherokee
    TLD Audi 200 Avant (but please a real 200 and no Audi V8 clone)
    TLD 59 Chevy Impala Convertible/ Street Rod
    TLD Standard (non-gadget) Aston Martin V8 Vantage or corrected Volante
    LTK Kenworth
    LTK Lincoln Mk. VII Coupe (Felix's Lincoln)
    LTK Mercury Grand Marquis Limousine
    LTK Utilimaster Aeromaster Van
    GE UAZ-469B/UAZ-31512 4x4
    GE Cagiva 350 with Bond on it (chasing the plane)
    TND BMW R1200C bike
    DAD Invisible Aston Martin Vanquish
    DAD Rocket sled
    CR Tanker Truck, battered under the wing of the Skyfleet prototype.
    CR Ford Mondeo - A similar Mondeo is made by Minichamps in the correct scale
    CR 2005 Škoda Octavia Police
    CR Chevrolet G-Series Van (With DC on back before he jumps fence)
    CR International 4900 fuel truck (with DC on roof)
    CR Airport passenger bus or baggage trailer.
    SF Standard (non-gadget) Aston Martin DB5
    SF Jaguar XJL
    SF Modern Beetle - made by Ixo in the correct scale and colour

    Merely deleted the vehicles confirmed (save the Merc 180 from GF, since we got that instead of the 220S) and added some of my own (Mercury Grand Marquis Limo from LTK*, TB Trimuph Herald Drophead Coupe, TMWTGG 1955 Chevrolet One Fifty Two-Door Sedan)! :)

    *Note that there's been debate as to whether this car was badged as Ford (which would be correct for South America and Mexico) or Mercury (which the trim level seems to indicate it is).

    Wow 53 vehicles ! This would make the collection touch nearly 200 and extend the duration almost 2/3 years . By that time another bond will have been made to conclude the collection at 200. Rumour has it there will be a return to the gadgets in forthcoming bond releases after sky fall with remakes of some of the classic bonds brought upto date. Can you imagine Goldfinger or live and let die set in the 21st century ? Think of the cars that could be included
  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    maz wrote:
    Web abounds with MB600 LWB from Vitesse in lots dark colours certainly Black and Blue - can't tell what it is from imcdb shot.

    The Merc 600 from DAF is actually kind of an interesting color: metallic dark blue. It's not the typical muted, midnight blue that Mercedes-Benz used on the line, but then, you had TONS of custom options for the 600/could order the car in any paint color that Mercedes-Benz applied to its other cars.
    By the way, are you gonna eat that?
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    UNSEEN JBCC MODELS: Updated

    DN 1961 Chevrolet Impala Four-Door Sedan (This was Felix's Chase Car)
    DN Vauxhall Velox - Made by Corgi/Vanguards in the correct scale and colour
    DN Hillman Minx - Made by Corgi/Vanguards in the correct scale and colour
    FRWL Kerim Bey's Rolls-Royce Silver Wraith – made in resin?
    GF Merc 220S Odd Job car (in correct form)
    GF Willys M38 Korean War Jeep
    TB 1965 Lincoln Continental 4-door convertible (top up)
    TB Fiona Volpe's BSA motorcycle
    TB Ford Zephyr 6 - Made by Corgi/Vanguards in the correct scale and colour
    TB Triumph Herald Drophead Coupe – hardtop version made by Corgi/Vanguards
    TB Bomb Sled with Tow Sled outriders
    YOLT 1964 Dodge Polara 500 Sedan
    OHMSS 1968 Ford Escort Mk. I Rallye – Similar vehicle made by Corgi/Vanguards in the correct scale
    OHMSS Draco's Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow convertible
    OHMSS Bobsleds
    OHMSS Mercedes Minibus
    DAF Ford LVPD police car (blue/white)
    DAF 1971 Ford Thunderbird
    DAF Honda tricycle from Moonbuggy chase
    DAF Bathosub
    DAF Merc 600 grösse – Made by Vitesse in dark colours, correct scale
    LALD AEC REGENT Bus without top deck
    LALD Power boat crashed into side of Sheriff Pepper's car
    LALD 1973 Chevy Bel Air Louisiana State Police
    TMWTGG 1974 AMC Matador Sedan "Thai Police Car"
    TMWTGG 1955 Chevrolet One Fifty Two-Door Sedan
    TSWLM Wetbike with RM figure
    MR Shuttle
    MR Cable Car
    AVTAK American LaFrance Fire engine
    AVTAK 1984 Jeep Cherokee
    TLD Audi 200 Avant (but please a real 200 and no Audi V8 clone)
    TLD 59 Chevy Impala Convertible/ Street Rod – made by Road Champions in reddish colour, correct scale.
    TLD Standard (non-gadget) Aston Martin V8 Vantage or corrected Volante
    LTK Kenworth - made by New Ray in 1:43
    LTK Lincoln Mk. VII Coupe (Felix's Lincoln)
    LTK Mercury Grand Marquis Limousine
    LTK Utilimaster Aeromaster Van
    GE UAZ-469B/UAZ-31512 4x4
    GE Cagiva 350 with Bond on it (chasing the plane)
    TND BMW R1200C bike
    DAD Invisible Aston Martin Vanquish
    DAD Rocket sled
    CR Tanker Truck, battered under the wing of the Skyfleet prototype.
    CR Ford Mondeo - A similar Mondeo is made by Minichamps in the correct scale
    CR 2005 Škoda Octavia Police – Made by Abrex?
    CR Chevrolet G-Series Van (With DC on back before he jumps fence)
    CR International 4900 fuel truck (with DC on roof)
    CR Airport passenger bus or baggage trailer.
    SF Standard (non-gadget) Aston Martin DB5
    SF Jaguar XJL
    SF Land Rover half cab
    SF Modern Beetle - made by Ixo in the correct scale and colour

    NON-EON:

    CR E-Type - Made by Corgi/Vanguards in the correct scale and colour
    CR Ciroen DS 19
    CR Bedford Milk Truck – Oxford?
    NSNA Renault 5 turbo2
    NSNA Bentley 4.25 Litre
    NSNA Cortina – Corgi/Vanguards
    Olympics – FX4 Taxi
  • Diecast007Diecast007 Posts: 576MI6 Agent
    UNSEEN JBCC MODELS: Updated

    DN 1961 Chevrolet Impala Four-Door Sedan (This was Felix's Chase Car)
    DN Vauxhall Velox - Made by Corgi/Vanguards in the correct scale and colour
    DN Hillman Minx - Made by Corgi/Vanguards in the correct scale and colour
    FRWL Kerim Bey's Rolls-Royce Silver Wraith – made in resin?
    GF Merc 220S Odd Job car (in correct form)
    GF Willys M38 Korean War Jeep
    TB 1965 Lincoln Continental 4-door convertible (top up)
    TB Fiona Volpe's BSA motorcycle
    TB Ford Zephyr 6 - Made by Corgi/Vanguards in the correct scale and colour
    TB Triumph Herald Drophead Coupe – hardtop version made by Corgi/Vanguards
    TB Bomb Sled with Tow Sled outriders
    YOLT 1964 Dodge Polara 500 Sedan
    OHMSS 1968 Ford Escort Mk. I Rallye – Similar vehicle made by Corgi/Vanguards in the correct scale
    OHMSS Draco's Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow convertible
    OHMSS Bobsleds
    OHMSS Mercedes Minibus
    DAF Ford LVPD police car (blue/white)
    DAF 1971 Ford Thunderbird
    DAF Honda tricycle from Moonbuggy chase
    DAF Bathosub
    DAF Merc 600 grösse – Made by Vitesse in dark colours, correct scale
    LALD AEC REGENT Bus without top deck
    LALD Power boat crashed into side of Sheriff Pepper's car
    LALD 1973 Chevy Bel Air Louisiana State Police
    TMWTGG 1974 AMC Matador Sedan "Thai Police Car"
    TMWTGG 1955 Chevrolet One Fifty Two-Door Sedan
    TSWLM Wetbike with RM figure
    MR Shuttle
    MR Cable Car
    AVTAK American LaFrance Fire engine
    AVTAK 1984 Jeep Cherokee
    TLD Audi 200 Avant (but please a real 200 and no Audi V8 clone)
    TLD 59 Chevy Impala Convertible/ Street Rod – made by Road Champions in reddish colour, correct scale.
    TLD Standard (non-gadget) Aston Martin V8 Vantage or corrected Volante
    LTK Kenworth - made by New Ray in 1:43
    LTK Lincoln Mk. VII Coupe (Felix's Lincoln)
    LTK Mercury Grand Marquis Limousine
    LTK Utilimaster Aeromaster Van
    GE UAZ-469B/UAZ-31512 4x4
    GE Cagiva 350 with Bond on it (chasing the plane)
    TND BMW R1200C bike
    DAD Invisible Aston Martin Vanquish
    DAD Rocket sled
    CR Tanker Truck, battered under the wing of the Skyfleet prototype.
    CR Ford Mondeo - A similar Mondeo is made by Minichamps in the correct scale
    CR 2005 Škoda Octavia Police – Made by Abrex?
    CR Chevrolet G-Series Van (With DC on back before he jumps fence)
    CR International 4900 fuel truck (with DC on roof)
    CR Airport passenger bus or baggage trailer.
    SF Standard (non-gadget) Aston Martin DB5
    SF Jaguar XJL
    SF Land Rover half cab
    SF Modern Beetle - made by Ixo in the correct scale and colour

    NON-EON:

    CR E-Type - Made by Corgi/Vanguards in the correct scale and colour
    CR Ciroen DS 19
    CR Bedford Milk Truck – Oxford?
    NSNA Renault 5 turbo2
    NSNA Bentley 4.25 Litre
    NSNA Cortina – Corgi/Vanguards
    Olympics – FX4 Taxi

    Brilliant thanks
  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    Diecast007 wrote:
    I am in my mid forties have collected die cast since a child. Never have I come across such nonsense in all my life. I can't believe I am being spoken to in such away especially in this a forum talking about model cars. It would seem we have gone back in time when only one opinion counted and I ended up leaving the forum. X-(

    Btw maybe overlooked or not of interest but anybody else like the idea of the James bond Olympic special . Movie car fan can you add it to your list of wants.

    I am still missing a couple of issues . Will chase them up on telephone?


    Frankly, I am amazed that some of us would like to stretch the collection so much. Olympic special? Please count me out.
  • tibre007tibre007 The NetherlandsPosts: 31MI6 Agent
    Wow, what a reaction on my first post (actually my 20th)!
    I think I have to clearify myself.
    First, I live in the Netherlands and we are behind you all. Today I just bought nr. 114. So we have to do some catching up. So if I would like to say something about a issue I just bought, it is discussed a few pages ago already.
    Second, why I was a reader only is that I like to see what I will get in the future and how they are looking.
    Third, I'm partaking of several forums, and always it is stick to the topic. In this case JBCC. If you would dwell off you are corrected. That is why I was posting my post because, although interesting subjects, there are subjects that has nothing to do with JBCC. That is why I thought, let me post something. Now I realize it was not really appreciated by some. Sorry if I offend somebody, that was not my intession. I will stay a reader and scroll down every time till I find something about JBCC what I like to read, instead of other subjects.
  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    tibre007 wrote:
    Wow, what a reaction on my first post (actually my 20th)!
    I think I have to clearify myself.
    First, I live in the Netherlands and we are behind you all. Today I just bought nr. 114. So we have to do some catching up. So if I would like to say something about a issue I just bought, it is discussed a few pages ago already.
    Second, why I was a reader only is that I like to see what I will get in the future and how they are looking.
    Third, I'm partaking of several forums, and always it is stick to the topic. In this case JBCC. If you would dwell off you are corrected. That is why I was posting my post because, although interesting subjects, there are subjects that has nothing to do with JBCC. That is why I thought, let me post something. Now I realize it was not really appreciated by some. Sorry if I offend somebody, that was not my intession. I will stay a reader and scroll down every time till I find something about JBCC what I like to read, instead of other subjects.


    I'm in Australia, and we are behind the UK as well, so I know exactly how you feel. When I read current posts here, they almost always refer to what is a future release for me - but it is good to know what people think and see the pictures, as it helps me to make up my mind whether a particular model is worth buying. Having said that, I wish those like you and me posted more about what we currently receive as well, so instead of being a reader, I would love to see you post more about your current models (and mine!). I have tried that myself, but the UK subscribers are usually not interested by then, and the non-UK ones usually prefer to read and not write for some reason.

    As to being on topic, it is JBCC - questions and praise. Or at least it was originally. Whoever came with the idea of the topic must have been a true optimist! Since then the collection has received at least as much criticism as it has praise. So I guess we are all guilty of going off-topic in this regard.
  • Diecast007Diecast007 Posts: 576MI6 Agent
    Jag wrote:
    Diecast007 wrote:
    I am in my mid forties have collected die cast since a child. Never have I come across such nonsense in all my life. I can't believe I am being spoken to in such away especially in this a forum talking about model cars. It would seem we have gone back in time when only one opinion counted and I ended up leaving the forum. X-(

    Btw maybe overlooked or not of interest but anybody else like the idea of the James bond Olympic special . Movie car fan can you add it to your list of wants.

    I am still missing a couple of issues . Will chase them up on telephone?


    Frankly, I am amazed that some of us would like to stretch the collection so much. Olympic special? Please count me out.

    You are probably right was trying to inject some much needed humour into this with tongue firmly in cheek when I posted this an Olympic special is maybe an issue too far but no harm being on a wish or want list :)
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    As a 'cherry picker' not a subscriber, the issues I buy are all over the place in terms of their release dates. For me, that's half the fun of it. If the next issue isn't really one I like the look of, I'll buy an earlier one instead - having said that I've got most of them now anyway. If anyone is behind us in issue releases, there's no harm in posting comments on what is current to them. I commented on the quality of the figure in the OP Range Rover long after its UK release when I don't think anybody else did. Sometimes we pick up on stuff others miss at the time. Also, comments on future releases, vehicles we'd like to see, the real vehicles, the movies are all things any of us worldwide can discuss at any time.

    Perhaps being 'off topic' is something that annoys people running slightly behind in issue releases more than the rest of us, because they have further to go. For those of us nearer the (probable) end, I feel it is only natural to start wondering about what might follow the JBCC that could be of interest to the majority of us. If it isn't discussed, if our likes and dislikes aren't voiced, we will get only what the partwork suppliers choose to give us. If everyone wants to simply discuss the JBCC releases until they suddenly stop that's fine, but don't complain if all you are offered afterwards is 'build a 1.8 Veyron' or a children's 'Ben 10' TV series partwork! For those of us who have seen the JBCC's emailed 'future partwork questionnaire' and fully digested its content, that seems to be the likelihood at the moment.
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    More pics of the beautiful Savoy from a French forum:

    americaines_photo_015_big.jpg

    americaines_photo_016_big.jpg

    americaines_photo_017_big.jpg

    americaines_photo_018_big.jpg
  • Diecast007Diecast007 Posts: 576MI6 Agent
    More pics of the beautiful Savoy from a French forum:

    americaines_photo_015_big.jpg

    americaines_photo_016_big.jpg

    americaines_photo_017_big.jpg

    americaines_photo_018_big.jpg

    Great photos tried to upload photos of my savoy yesterday but was unable to get beyond the browse image then programme froze.

    I agree I am happy to talk anything on this thread relating to cars , models etc as more often or not it quickly gets back to jbcc. The yank part work is a great idea as is the movie car theme also. Unfortunately I chose to voice an opinion and support a fellow poster and immediately caught up in something that became and was made personal. My point being like you , like me we like to keep things light . It's a hobby after all
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    Diecast007 - if you can get your upload system working, I think more photos of the current Merc taken from different angles would be appreciated - Dokk posted a great side shot but we haven't seen the front and back of the car.
  • JagJag Posts: 1,167MI6 Agent
    Diecast007 wrote:
    Jag wrote:
    Diecast007 wrote:
    I am in my mid forties have collected die cast since a child. Never have I come across such nonsense in all my life. I can't believe I am being spoken to in such away especially in this a forum talking about model cars. It would seem we have gone back in time when only one opinion counted and I ended up leaving the forum. X-(

    Btw maybe overlooked or not of interest but anybody else like the idea of the James bond Olympic special . Movie car fan can you add it to your list of wants.

    I am still missing a couple of issues . Will chase them up on telephone?


    Frankly, I am amazed that some of us would like to stretch the collection so much. Olympic special? Please count me out.

    You are probably right was trying to inject some much needed humour into this with tongue firmly in cheek when I posted this an Olympic special is maybe an issue too far but no harm being on a wish or want list :)


    It has been suggested a few times that we should get an empty base to represent the "invisible" Aston. I am surprised that Eaglemoss did not jump on the idea - it would have made them a fortune - full price for an empty box! After that your suggested "olympic special" sounded far less outrageous! :))
  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    edited August 2012
    Perhaps being 'off topic' is something that annoys people running slightly behind in issue releases more than the rest of us, because they have further to go. For those of us nearer the (probable) end, I feel it is only natural to start wondering about what might follow the JBCC that could be of interest to the majority of us. If it isn't discussed, if our likes and dislikes aren't voiced, we will get only what the partwork suppliers choose to give us. If everyone wants to simply discuss the JBCC releases until they suddenly stop that's fine, but don't complain if all you are offered afterwards is 'build a 1.8 Veyron' or a children's 'Ben 10' TV series partwork! For those of us who have seen the JBCC's emailed 'future partwork questionnaire' and fully digested its content, that seems to be the likelihood at the moment.

    I don't think you could have worded it much better. This is why we go off-topic. Period cars, many of which have appeared in the background in parking lots, go hand-in-hand with the JBCC. Basically, many of us are 1/43 scale model collectors as well as just collecting the JBCC. I know for a fact that MovieCarFan, Maz, myhandle, and FACT are all at the very least 1/43 scale collectors who also have nice-sized collections going outside the scope of the JBCC.
    tibre007 wrote:
    Third, I'm partaking of several forums, and always it is stick to the topic. In this case JBCC. If you would dwell off you are corrected. That is why I was posting my post because, although interesting subjects, there are subjects that has nothing to do with JBCC. That is why I thought, let me post something.

    Firstly, let me apologize to my initial sharpness regarding your post. A post much like the one you just made would have clarified things much further and I would have responded in kind. The problem, though, is that not all forums work exactly alike or have the same rules. The narrow scope of this thread in particular almost invites going off-topic. Aside from Jag's (frankly hilarious, but true) reference to criticism posts perhaps out-numbering praise posts, I also remember the nearly 2-page discussion we had on 1/24 scale partwork cars, which he was happy to answer questions about. Then there have been some diversions onto the 1/8 scale Aston...which DOES have its own thread. No moderator action taken, nobody objecting, myself included. Likewise some people have asked me (not the other way around) questions that inevitably veer off-topic. Am I supposed to ignore those? And other people get asked off-topic questions, too. Are they supposed to ignore those? I would think it ill-mannered to ignore a question of that nature, and I think I can speak for most of the rest of us, too. In fact, as we find ourselves asking "is the '59 Plymouth Savoy accurate?" we by nature go off-topic by introducing photos of real cars that everything to do with the 1959 Savoy, but nothing at all to do with James Bond.

    I agree with MovieCarFan. I think there should be room for everyone's 1/43 scale hobbies in here, as they are the same scale and in general same era as the cars appearing in the Bond films. Those that generate interest will inevitably be responded to. Those that don't, well...won't.
    Now I realize it was not really appreciated by some. Sorry if I offend somebody, that was not my intession. I will stay a reader and scroll down every time till I find something about JBCC what I like to read, instead of other subjects.

    Likewise, sorry if I offended you with my short, frankly ill-tempered response. You can feel free to talk with me, by the way...I actually like discussing the past issues. :)

    As for issue 114, the Austin FX4 Taxi, it has some errors but isn't as horrible as some make it out to be. The antenna and poorly altered rear end being the errors you can't really change (unless you're good with contour putty, in which case, you can remove the antenna and paint said putty gloss black), although removing the "Austin" badging with T-Cut or something similar is doable. Here's a photo of a 1978 Austin FX4 with the correct rear end that you'll probably want...

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/triggerscarstuff/6272632405/

    Hope this can help enhance your model! :)
    More pics of the beautiful Savoy from a French forum:

    It appears like they did a pretty nice job. Check out these two pictures in particular...first, the model...

    http://postimage.org/image/760hgk13b/

    Now, a side view of the real 1959 Plymouth Savoy...

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/halt-55/4238731594/

    Although we see an immediate difference in the car's hubcaps and tires, I should note that whitewalls along with "deluxe" hubcaps were options on the 1959 Plymouth Savoy. Here's another, blurrier picture of the 1959 Savoy where you can make out the hubcaps and whitewalls (which are a bit thicker)...

    http://geminimanor.com/images/59Plymouth_Savoy.jpg

    Here's an example in pretty sorry condition, but that DOES very well illustrate the back of the car...

    http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6040/6313998716_5625d38977_z.jpg

    Now here's the front...

    http://www.shannons.com.au/library/images/auctions/Y0V8BY9E638KYBQP/medium/1959-plymouth-savoy-sedan-lhd.jpg

    Despite the many complexities, Ixo nails it. Considering one of the two dealers I regularly speak with already has more orders for it than the Ford Country Squire and believes it may approach the vaunted LaSalle Hearse, I think you could say that we have a winner on our hands!
    By the way, are you gonna eat that?
  • mazmaz Posts: 227MI6 Agent
    Did a bit of reading and it looks like the Plymouth Savoy actually had a dedicated taxi cab model produced. Unfortunately it didnt tell us what the cab special had as standard fitment but my guess is simplified wheels and blackwalls would be part of that like on Police Specials. I would guess interior fittings may also have been simplified as well. When exported I expect that the models would be the standard basic spec with a 6 cyl engine possibly in a lower state of tune to cope with lower octane fuel. Allconjecture though since I cant find any real detail.

    Seeing pics makes it all the more frustrating that it may be a while before I get mine.
  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    maz wrote:
    Did a bit of reading and it looks like the Plymouth Savoy actually had a dedicated taxi cab model produced. Unfortunately it didnt tell us what the cab special had as standard fitment but my guess is simplified wheels and blackwalls would be part of that like on Police Specials.

    I DON'T know about the Savoy, but I do know about the special taxi variant of the Belvedere from 1959, which was only one level up in terms of trim. It retained the whitewalls, although I'm not sure about what kind of hubcaps it had. However, the really big difference between it and the regular '59 Belvedere was a simplified dashboard with provisions for a taxi meter. There were also external provisions made for a taxi meter. Again, this is the Belvedere, NOT the Savoy, but I do have pamphlets on all three police models from 1958 (the previous year's production) and they were pretty much identical to one another save the upgrades in trim; the main differences were from their base models (if that sentence makes any sense). It's an educated guess, but a guess nonetheless.
    Seeing pics makes it all the more frustrating that it may be a while before I get mine.

    Ditto here! :))
    By the way, are you gonna eat that?
  • myhandlemyhandle Posts: 124MI6 Agent
    maz wrote:
    Did a bit of reading and it looks like the Plymouth Savoy actually had a dedicated taxi cab model produced. Unfortunately it didnt tell us what the cab special had as standard fitment but my guess is simplified wheels and blackwalls

    At the risk of veering off topic once again, can anyone (Dalkowski?) explain why whitewall tyres tended to be associated with higher end cars - I understand that any complexity costs money, but is the construction method of a whitewall more complex? They do look better on some cars - I am thinking of Rolls Royces like the Corniche, as an example. They look a lot better with a white detail line on the tyre.

    Thanks in advance.

    And, by the way, I have the 200D and the Savoy, and think they are both very pleasing. Though in the case of the Mercedes, quite how awful the driving characteristics of a 1970s diesel car must have been is something I would rather not spend much time thinking about. I don't even think it had a turbo; you might as well have a car powered by a coal burning stove!
  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    myhandle wrote:
    At the risk of veering off topic once again, can anyone (Dalkowski?) explain why whitewall tyres tended to be associated with higher end cars - I understand that any complexity costs money, but is the construction method of a whitewall more complex?

    Well, it wasn't cosmetic only, at least not in the beginning. For those wondering why whitewalls existed at all, early cars either ran on cork, steel bands, inner tubes, or white rubber tires. Well, the latter tended to carry cars best but also tended to wear down pretty fast...so they got a black rubber outer part to them and the whitewall tire was born. In the 1920's, it was associated with technological progress, and so it gained popularity amongst the general public. However, it also looked really nice. When the Great Depression came around and ensured that not every tire could be a whitewall, pretty much only the big names like Packard, Cadillac, Lincoln, Duesenberg, etc. were able to keep making them. So, naturally, it got associated with those bigger, nicer cars. It was purely stylistic (think of a longer-lasting version of fins), but remained until the late 1960's. Then we had red-line tires and white-line tires, tires with big lettering, etc. Manufacturing techniques during the late 1950's-early 1960's allowed for single-sided whitewalls, as well. That is, purely for stylistic reasons, a whitewall was added to one side of the one-piece tire. These are often associated with narrow whitewalls and some of the tires you saw on Cadillacs, Buicks, Lincolns, Mercurys, and Chryslers into the early 1980's.
    Though in the case of the Mercedes, quite how awful the driving characteristics of a 1970s diesel car must have been is something I would rather not spend much time thinking about. I don't even think it had a turbo; you might as well have a car powered by a coal burning stove!

    You're tempting me to put up a pic of my Schucho Mercedes-Benz 170V (W136G) mit Holzvergaser (pretty much literally powered by a stove, albeit a wood-burning one)! :)) But seriously, many of these things were taxis meant for fuel efficiency/longevity vs. handling, and not exclusively in Germany, either. In fact, I have a picture of a battered-but-presumably-still serviceable 200D on the older W110 chassis (i.e. the "Heckflosse") used as a taxi in Haifa in Israel!
    By the way, are you gonna eat that?
  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    edited August 2012
    Dokk posted a great side shot but we haven't seen the front and back of the car.

    I just got the car today and can rectify this. I should have some more, better-quality photos up of the 200D by tomorrow.

    EDIT: I matched the model up to the pictures on IMCDB and it's mostly a pretty good match. However, there is one particular thing that bugs me, although I imagine this is actually pretty easy to correct: there's a "phantom front license plate" hanging down under the bumper. To give you a better idea, it's a car-colored piece of metal exactly where the license plate was on the TMWTGG Merc 220 (W115). Have a look at the IMCDB pic, and you'll see that there's nothing there...

    http://pics.imcdb.org/0is72/fyeomerc2ms4.1360.jpg

    You can remove that little piece with an ordinary Dremel cutting wheel.

    There are two other minor errors on the back of the car: first, the chrome strip under the Mercedes-Benz logo on the trunk lid is significantly narrower than the movie car (which I believe indicates earlier production, though could be wrong) and then there are the taillights, which are pre-1974 design (red, orange, and clear, smooth surface). The film car has the 1974-or-later taillights (red and orange, horizontal ribs on the surface). Aside from that, though, it's good. I believe what they did was model a pre-1974 car as well as not omit the little bracket for where the license plate usually goes (although as I said, that can be removed with a Dremel).
    By the way, are you gonna eat that?
  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    Okay, I got two pics of the front and rear before my camera battery died...

    Merc200_DFront.jpg

    Note the aforementioned "phantom license plate", which is a bracket where the plate is usually held in place. You can cut this off with a Dremel cutting wheel, I would guess. Movie car is here...

    http://pics.imcdb.org/0is72/fyeomerc2ms4.1360.jpg

    And now, the back...

    Merc200_DRear.jpg

    Note the thin chrome strip under the Mercedes-Benz logo as well as the taillights. For comparison, here is the movie car...

    http://pics.imcdb.org/0is407/fyeomerc3ja2.7475.jpg
    By the way, are you gonna eat that?
  • Diecast007Diecast007 Posts: 576MI6 Agent
    Okay, I got two pics of the front and rear before my camera battery died...

    Merc200_DFront.jpg

    Note the aforementioned "phantom license plate", which is a bracket where the plate is usually held in place. You can cut this off with a Dremel cutting wheel, I would guess. Movie car is here...

    http://pics.imcdb.org/0is72/fyeomerc2ms4.1360.jpg

    And now, the back...

    Merc200_DRear.jpg

    Note the thin chrome strip under the Mercedes-Benz logo as well as the taillights. For comparison, here is the movie car...

    http://pics.imcdb.org/0is407/fyeomerc3ja2.7475.jpg

    Beat me to it can't upload Photos from my end. Nice photos
  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    Diecast007 wrote:
    Beat me to it can't upload Photos from my end. Nice photos

    Thanks regarding the photos. To be quite honest, I can't claim much photographic ability, though these actually did turn out better than usual...the niceness probably came out of my hurry to snap them before the battery died. :))

    Now, as to your issue with photo uploading...what OS are you running on and what service do you use (plus is it wireless)? From experience, certain forum formats don't like certain OS/connection combinations...as an example, ezBoards and Windows 98 do not get along. You could never upload photos off your computer, you had to use a "middleman service" like photobucket.com. I'm not sure what this forum type is, but by asking a moderator, you might be able to solve that tech problem and maybe give photobucket.com a try (they're designed to handle pretty much every OS; I use them for high-resolution photos). Hope that was of some help!
    By the way, are you gonna eat that?
  • Rainier WolfcastleRainier Wolfcastle Posts: 484MI6 Agent
    Special taxi versions are common from many car manufacturers; Mercedes taxis usually come with the sturdiest, vinylest vinyl seats they can find (which you wouldn't even find in the base level regular car), extra battery (and for Germany the mandatory light ivory colour). I could imagine that the Savoy taxi did also come with plain vinyl seats, floor mats and extra interior lighting as standard (these things were all extra cost options on the standard sedan, the Savoy didn't even have a right sun visor!).

    It's funny as all these large American cars look like luxury cars to a European but in reality there wasn't much inside the sheetmetal on the entry-level cars. Everything - two-speed wipers, rearview mirrors, whitewall tyres - was optional. But when ordered from the factory the whitewall tyres didn't cost much more so were often specified even on base-level cars.

    I too think that the FRWL Savoy is not one of those special taxi versions but rather a standard Savoy. On the airport another taxi can be seen, a yellow Dodge. Interesting to see so many American cars in Istanbul (Plymouth, Dodge, '59 Ford, '56 DeSoto) as in Europe these were rather rare. In German films of the time you won't see many American cars, most of the cars being small and lots of VW beetles of course.


    PS: I rather not say what I think of the Mercedes ... 8-)
  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    edited August 2012
    RW...here's the 1959 Plymouth Belvedere Taxi brochure (EDIT: Note that whilst it's called a 1959 Plymouth Taxicab Special, it's a Belvedere)...

    http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/static/NA/Plymouth/1959%20Plymouth/1959%20Plymouth%20Taxi%20Brochure/1959%20Plymouth%20Taxi-02.jpg

    The first thing to notice (which is kinda tough, admittedly, since it's put there in stylized form) is that the depicted car has pretty much the same wheels as the one in the film, including hubcaps. Could be artistic license regarding the hubcaps, but if whitewalls were in the picture, you got whitewalls. Note that some of the features (namely turn signals and pretty much all of the engine options/options for the engine) were available as options in the standard range for the Belvedere. Interestingly, as we see, the interior lighting actually wasn't changed much for whatever reason.
    It's funny as all these large American cars look like luxury cars to a European but in reality there wasn't much inside the sheetmetal on the entry-level cars.

    Very true, but the Plaza was the entry-level Plymouth in 1959. The Savoy and Belvedere had two-speed wipers, I'm fairly sure. Side mirrors (and in fact turn signals!) were optional on the Savoy, though, whereas they came as standard on the Belvedere.
    I too think that the FRWL Savoy is not one of those special taxi versions but rather a standard Savoy. On the airport another taxi can be seen, a yellow Dodge.

    Hmm...it's tough to tell, but here's a pic of the grille on the Savoy...note the sun visors (something you'd expect on a taxi), but conversely the lack of turn signals (which appear as standard in the '59 Belvedere taxi brochure...but then, they may not have been standard on the '59 Savoy taxi)...

    http://pics.imcdb.org/0is523/fromrussiaplymouthsavoyqs4.9342.jpg

    Oddly, in that same scene, they re-used the Dodge!

    http://pics.imcdb.org/0is530/fromrussiadodgecustom2he3.5632.jpg
    Interesting to see so many American cars in Istanbul (Plymouth, Dodge, '59 Ford, '56 DeSoto) as in Europe these were rather rare.

    At the time, Turkish foreign policy was more oriented toward the US, and that included cars. Note this postcard from early 1960's Istanbul, which also happens to show a ton of traffic...

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-17KfDnLGaQo/T1Q9NsrzmEI/AAAAAAAAKiY/iyG5UxZX838/s1600/Istanbul+1960s.jpg

    Can you spot the individual cars (notice, in all seriousness, the huge number of Chrysler Motors cars in particular, however)? :) ;)
    By the way, are you gonna eat that?
  • Rainier WolfcastleRainier Wolfcastle Posts: 484MI6 Agent
    The Savoy was the base-level Plymouth for 1959. The Plaza name was last used for 1958, and the taxicab brochure shows the single side spear typical for the base level cars. So the taxicab is not based on the Belvedere. Whitewall tyres and wheel covers, although shown in the taxi brochure, were optional ($28 and $17) on most models except the wheel covers on the Fury/Sport Fury. Turn signals were standard even on the Savoy, and as the FRWL taxi does not have them, shows that the export cars to Turkey were not equipped with them (I don't know for Turkey but have just looked up that turn signal lights were mandatory in Germany only from July 1963).

    That Turkey was very US oriented is obvious but the same can be said of West Germany (with Adenauer the chancellor). Yet there never were so many US cars in Germany (or other Western European countries except maybe Switzerland). Petrol in Turkey must have been much cheaper.
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