Interesting info about newsagents, maz and yourmovemrbond. I really have no idea how it works here, but there are some newsagents that do take partworks and others don't. My local newsagent still has issue 51 on their partwork shelf. It must be the last issue they ordered. It is also very, very difficult to assess items like this for damages. Very often you have to remove the package to be sure - how are newsagents supposed to do that, even if they had a week to report? And what would happen if a customer bought a model back saying that they discovered the damage after unpacking?
Way back when the series first started I had a regular (UK) newsagent order and had cause to take one issue back, having unpacked it and found a problem. I had such a game trying to explain to the shop assistant and then the manageress why badly 'off register' printing was unnacceptable (on no.16, the standard SWLM Lotus) that I cancelled the order. It was much easier dealing direct with 'back issues' - they were slower, but didn't need in depth explanations, there was never any quibbling and they let you keep the faulty model. I suppose the point being that unless a newsagent is into the hobby themselves, it would be nigh on impossible for them to spot damage or flaws apart from obvious things like cracked cases or bits of the model rattling around loose.
I have to say, yourmovemrbond, I'm amazed the trade price per issue is so high - I would have expected maybe £5 each or even less.
Thank for the info yourmove. It is always good to hear from someone who really knows the business details. I am not surprised that newsagents find these too much bother to risk their cash on. They don't fit on mag racks well, they are susceptible to damage, and some are dogs which would need discounting to clear.
Guess you are right Web based fulfillment will be the only route, even call centres cost a lot so telephone sales may go especially since the special numbers they use tend to cost a fortune to mobile users making them even less popular. Interestingly deagostini has run trailers for selling tank collection part work in us via website only so maybe that is shades of things to come.
yes, we seem to have gone off topic a bit, but i think this is interesting and relevant to all of us collectors?
to moviecarfan.....yes, there are difficulties when a newsagent tries to send anything back......as i said before, if he doesnt tell the distributor by 10 oclock on the same day he gets it, there is a problem......quite often a customer will not pick the model up for a few days......by this time it is way past the time the newsagent can return it.........also by this time the newsagent will have paid for it ( 7 days or your supplies are CUT).....if the customer spots something he doesnt think is correct, for example offset tampo, loose component, misaligned headlamps.....then it boils down to a standoff betwwen customer and newsagent.........many are benevoent and understanding and will see the customers point of view.......many will not........but the newsagent who gives the customer his money back now has to fight the distributor who tells him that the time limit for returns is ended.......its all back to the publisher then, who cites agreement between publisher and distributor..........After a few of these episodes the newsagent is out of pocket, and a bit miffed.......he wont be making that mistake again...........As you rightly say, he will look for obvious faults such as cracked cases, but flaws that a collector will find intolerable, would easily get overlooked by a busy newsagent.....and yes, the margines are pretty poor arnt they?........very large newsagents with a very high newsbill can get 22% in certain circumstances, but for the guy who gets in one or 2 copies, 10% is more usual
to Maz.......yes, i get lots of fellow collectors calling me after they have spent (lots of) time of the helplines trying to get issues of various partworks...........it seems to be a bit of a nightmare..........i can fully understand why it seems much easier to click on a button on ebay and have the item delivered a couple of days later........i have had experience myself with this.....when a customer wants a back-number, i have to ring the publisher!!!!....i dont believe i can swear on this forum!!!.....waits of 5 weeks are not uncommon!!..........i believe you are right in the assumption that more and more publishers will move towards their own distribution for financial reasons.....but they have to sharpen up their act with supplies first or we are all gonna get miffed!!
back to topic.....Is anyone looking forward to the Bel Air Police car more than I am? cant wait 8 days to go!!
back to topic.....Is anyone looking forward to the Bel Air Police car more than I am? cant wait 8 days to go!!
Absolutely dying to get it! Someone on the "Grumpy Old Men" forum pointed out the light bar was oversized for a Louisiana State Police car, but was quickly silenced when it was pointed out that that was the lightbar fitted to the film car. In fact, if you look closely at the Louisiana State Police cars, none of them has the same siren if they're '73 Chevys (the lightbar fitted to Sheriff Pepper's car...or at least the one he commandeers...matches the model)! I'm guessing that one of the light/siren manufacturers also did this as product placement, since Dunham Coach (owned by Les Dunham) did a ton of modifications that appear throughout the film, such as the Corvorado and its derivatives, the Cadillac (well, one of them...the other is genuine stock '72 Caddy), and even some of the background cars in Harlem that were tricked-out Lincolns.
Also, unfortunately, except for the SF Land Rover (of some type, since it's been established by maz that both a Discovery 4 and a Defender 110 appear in the film), I can't really get excited over any of the remaining vehicles. The DB5 looks nice, but I've got both Minichamps versions, the gold-colored Corgi version, and the 1/36 Corgi version. The Lincoln Continental seems to be an eyesore. The Rolls-Royce isn't that great, either. And that leaves the Land Rover, which we've still not seen. One bit of a silver lining for subscribers is that I believe the Land Rover is Issue 134. In other words, it will arrive in their last package, if not be the last car in the series.
My Dad also talks via email to a pretty-decently-sized active dealer on a regular basis (also a guy who just up and quit after 110 issues). Your experiences and his sound very similar, so regardless of size, I'm guessing Eaglemoss's "ya know, we could really live without dealers even if it costs us money" approach seems universal.
Personally I think the whole newsagent sales topic is highly relevant on this thread since that's how the whole thing started, in the UK at least. We got a whistles and bells TV ad announcing the series and telling everyone to get down to their newsagent for the DB5 at £2.99. That's the only place you could get one unless you signed up for it all online there and then. I would guess there's still a high proportion of collectors worldwide who continue to rely on their local newsagent/retailer to supply the JBCC. What yourmovemrbond has had to say certainly explains the problems I had returning a model to WHSmith, and it's interesting to hear from someone on the other side of the fence as it were.
I'm looking forward to the DB5 as a definitive 'Skyfall' memento, but am also very much looking forward to the Chevy and Defender on their own merits. (BTW I rang Database today and they said subscribers' Chevys are going out right now) I'm really interested to see if the Defender will be 'beaten up'! I'll probably pass on the Roller and Lincoln.
If they rely on website fulfillment they will need to get their act together we are all used to amazon and ebay level of service and communication now not websites with no contact email address like jbcc. And which also fail to tell you when your order has been made sometimes and give no despatch alert. All very out of date now.
My back orders are taking longer than I was told can I just email them - no - why not its 2012?
If they rely on website fulfillment they will need to get their act together we are all used to amazon and ebay level of service and communication now not websites with no contact email address like jbcc. And which also fail to tell you when your order has been made sometimes and give no despatch alert. All very out of date now.
My back orders are taking longer than I was told can I just email them - no - why not its 2012?
I have a back order plus issue 120/121 still outstanding from my regular subscription. As we are approaching the end of this and now four months has passed from the original scheduled delivery I am somewhat concerned.
Re DAL110 and SF Landrovers . In fact when i saw the film i noticed examples of all the Landrover current range including the Freelander and Evoque. Near the end you also see the nose of an older defender . However as models I hope it is the Defender 110 or the Discovery 4 that is issued. The Range Rover although did have plenty of screen time has been covered pretty well in the collection already.
So beyond 135 what going to happen to this thread ? It has to be some kind of record in forum world
Not sure, but we have less than 1,000 views to get to 1 million. Yep, ONE MILLION views. I agree this has to be some kind of record. Beyond 135? Personally, I think I'll stay on for those individuals still collecting the cars as well as try and find useful Code 3 ideas.
Personally I think the whole newsagent sales topic is highly relevant on this thread since that's how the whole thing started, in the UK at least. We got a whistles and bells TV ad announcing the series and telling everyone to get down to their newsagent for the DB5 at £2.99. That's the only place you could get one unless you signed up for it all online there and then. I would guess there's still a high proportion of collectors worldwide who continue to rely on their local newsagent/retailer to supply the JBCC. What yourmovemrbond has had to say certainly explains the problems I had returning a model to WHSmith, and it's interesting to hear from someone on the other side of the fence as it were.
I'm looking forward to the DB5 as a definitive 'Skyfall' memento, but am also very much looking forward to the Chevy and Defender on their own merits. (BTW I rang Database today and they said subscribers' Chevys are going out right now) I'm really interested to see if the Defender will be 'beaten up'! I'll probably pass on the Roller and Lincoln.
When the series started in Australia, there was TV advertising as well, asking to subscribe at the newagents. Which I did. But then, when I collected the first issues, they were flyers asking to subscribe directly online in order to receive the free gifts. Which shows that partwork publishers only use the newsagents as it is a convenient way to show off a new series to potential customers. Once this is done and after the first few issues, newsagent sales become less important to them than web sales. Our Australian distributor is actually quite good - they answer emails within 1-2 days, they have a normal rate phone number, and once you have created an account you can check your despatch and payment dates.
But of course I knew you were not trying to annoy me! Or if you were, you didn't try hard enough... )
I'll just try harder next time. )
Yes, languages are living organisms and they change all the time. Even in Australia there is a variety of dialects, so what is a ute in SA may not be one in NSW. I am aware of linguists studying the use of some vocabulary in different parts of the country, though sadly I don't think they took this word into account.
I agree...but too bad they didn't! Automotive lingo usually changes pretty fast and from generation to generation. Would you believe "muscle car" has re-entered the vernacular in my generation to describe just about any sports car? Too bad Dad's '71 Olds Cutlass Supreme was sold off years ago. It would blow half these modern cars out of the water and the other half (which I've nothing against, just something against calling a modern Ford Mustang or a BMW coupe a "muscle car") I could at the very least show 'em what a muscle car really is!
EDIT: We're just under 500 views away from a million! That HAS to be a record! One of the off-topic threads is actually beating us out for posts (by a couple pages), but nowhere near close to views!
Thanks, and as I studied linguistics I am really interested in how language works, I actually began to pay more attention to what you said (certainly not because I was annoyed by you!). Turns out a ute doesn't have to be car-based. Take the Isuzu D-Max - apparently a pick-up truck that "shares the same platform with several General Motors (GM) mid-size trucks in the United States" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isuzu_D-Max). Yet in Oz and NZ it is a ute. Don't take my word for it, search for the official Isuzu Ute NZ and Australia pages on Facebook.
Guess the term "muscle car" evolved in the same way. I guess you wouldn't call the DB5 or E-Type a muscle car even now though?
Thanks, and as I studied linguistics I am really interested in how language works, I actually began to pay more attention to what you said (certainly not because I was annoyed by you!). Turns out a ute doesn't have to be car-based. Take the Isuzu D-Max - apparently a pick-up truck that "shares the same platform with several General Motors (GM) mid-size trucks in the United States" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isuzu_D-Max). Yet in Oz and NZ it is a ute. Don't take my word for it, search for the official Isuzu Ute NZ and Australia pages on Facebook.
Guess the term "muscle car" evolved in the same way. I guess you wouldn't call the DB5 or E-Type a muscle car even now though?
Regarding muscle cars , I think the last true muscle car or defined as a muscle car is the 80's 90's Porsche 928 5.0 v8 . All engine ! My xk8 is 4.0 litre v8 but is not regarded as a muscle car but a sports coupe.
Thanks, and as I studied linguistics I am really interested in how language works, I actually began to pay more attention to what you said (certainly not because I was annoyed by you!). Turns out a ute doesn't have to be car-based. Take the Isuzu D-Max - apparently a pick-up truck that "shares the same platform with several General Motors (GM) mid-size trucks in the United States" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isuzu_D-Max). Yet in Oz and NZ it is a ute. Don't take my word for it, search for the official Isuzu Ute NZ and Australia pages on Facebook.
Guess the term "muscle car" evolved in the same way. I guess you wouldn't call the DB5 or E-Type a muscle car even now though?
Regarding muscle cars , I think the last true muscle car or defined as a muscle car is the 80's 90's Porsche 928 5.0 v8 . All engine ! My xk8 is 4.0 litre v8 but is not regarded as a muscle car but a sports coupe.
I'm a big 928 fan, and the one in AVTAK would have been pleasing, but the 928 is surely more of a GT. Recent muscle cars, I would suggest, are the Holden Monaro, Vauxhall VXR8 , Dodge Challenger Hemi and the Shelby Mustang KR500.
Now that the end does finally appear to be in sight for the collection, may be this might be the time to ask which film has been best represented by the partwork in terms of quality and interest. I've mainly stuck with Goldfinger and OHMSS, which apart from a couple of clunkers have delivered an excellent choice for me. Some of the films are obviously at a disadvantage in terms of number on screen vehicles, while others may not offer a very interesting selection to some. May be this will help generate those extra posts needed to reach the million !
Also, going back to a previous post (not sure where) about a possible future British car related partwork - something like 'The Open Road', the golden age of British motoring from 1950-1970 might generate some great vehicles and scenes. And in answer to a point made (again not sure where !) about the lack of pleasure to be derived from driving around the UK these days - I'd say there are still some great places to visit if you stick to the B roads and away from towns and motorways. A lot of town centres have sadly been ruined by catering for - yep, the motor car - but there are quite a few that have retained their character. Same can't be said for the cars you see on the roads however. There are a few classics that still pop up here and there, but the days of the great British marques has sadly gone.
Thanks, and as I studied linguistics I am really interested in how language works, I actually began to pay more attention to what you said (certainly not because I was annoyed by you!). Turns out a ute doesn't have to be car-based. Take the Isuzu D-Max - apparently a pick-up truck that "shares the same platform with several General Motors (GM) mid-size trucks in the United States" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isuzu_D-Max). Yet in Oz and NZ it is a ute. Don't take my word for it, search for the official Isuzu Ute NZ and Australia pages on Facebook.
Guess the term "muscle car" evolved in the same way. I guess you wouldn't call the DB5 or E-Type a muscle car even now though?
Regarding muscle cars , I think the last true muscle car or defined as a muscle car is the 80's 90's Porsche 928 5.0 v8 . All engine ! My xk8 is 4.0 litre v8 but is not regarded as a muscle car but a sports coupe.
I'm a big 928 fan, and the one in AVTAK would have been pleasing, but the 928 is surely more of a GT. Recent muscle cars, I would suggest, are the Holden Monaro, Vauxhall VXR8 , Dodge Challenger Hemi and the Shelby Mustang KR500.
Regarding muscle cars , I think the last true muscle car or defined as a muscle car is the 80's 90's Porsche 928 5.0 v8 . All engine ! My xk8 is 4.0 litre v8 but is not regarded as a muscle car but a sports coupe.
I'm a big 928 fan, and the one in AVTAK would have been pleasing, but the 928 is surely more of a GT. Recent muscle cars, I would suggest, are the Holden Monaro, Vauxhall VXR8 , Dodge Challenger Hemi and the Shelby Mustang KR500.
Lol and those also. All perfect candidates
I think the 928 is a Gt but fits the bill as a muscle car
Over a million views! Regarding the term "ute" Jag, I think's probably evolved and moved on. As car-based pickups start to "blend" with non-car-based pickups, the last bastion left to make the distinction would logically be the two places I've been looking: people who moved there and learned the terminology early/haven't really changed it from 1991 and classic vehicle magazines (where, for example, you can find repro advertisements for DeSoto utes and DeSoto trucks seperately from 1956, even though the DeSoto trucks advertisement covers pickups, such as the famous DeSoto/Express D100, which was arguably the most handsome stepside MOPAR pickup ever made for any country).
"Muscle car" is a really funny term. From the 1990's, a muscle car was anything with an engine of over 310 cubic inches, had to have two doors, and had to be at least able to run on leaded gasoline. A pony car met the same definition, except its engine CID had only to exceed 170. Why 170? Because that was the smallest engine to go into the '64 Ford Mustang, and you very obviously couldn't leave that out of the definition.
Of course, the definition immediately presents problems. What about a four-door sedan like the Ford Falcon XY GTHO Phase III? That would blow some of the weaker muscle cars out of the water and remember, the four GTHO Phase IV's that were made were actually two-door. So, obviously geared toward the same market with only marginally better performance. Yet, the XY Falcon Ute, if you include the GS pack, qualifies despite inferior performance (since the El Camino and Ranchero based on the Chevelle and Torino are counted, so logically would the XY Falcon GS Ute)! To be honest, to me, a muscle car will always be of American (including Canada, Mexico, and South America)-Australian-South African in origin, have a big V8 or straight 8 engine, and be from 1955 (proto-muscle cars like the Chrysler 300)-1978 (the end of the Argentine and Brazilian muscle car eras). And it has to be "performance geared". You can't tell me with a straight face that a 1963 1/2 Ford Galaxie 500XL with a 580 horsepower 427 Cammer engine ISN'T a muscle car, yet a 1973 Chevy Malibu is. A pony car starts out for me a bit earlier (1953, with the advent of the Corvette), but ends at roughly the same era. It can have anything from a four-cylinder to a six-cylinder, but MUST be performance oriented. Anything European I just call a "sports car". Anything modern is "modern muscle", not necessarily a term of endearment, I may add.
And we got a million views! By the way, Ixo does have some moulds for 1970's British cars if they want. The Brazilian partwork they have going could provide a few: Vauxhall Chevette first generation (from the Chevrolet Chevette) and Hillman Avenger two-door (from the Dodge 1800), among others.
As far as movies go regarding cars, there's only one car we've not seen and can't judge: Issue 134, the Land Rover from SF. Yet, SF only has two cars. It would be unfair to judge it, honestly. Therefore, let's go with what we know...
-DN (7): Sunbeam Alpine, 1957 Chevy Bel Air Convertible, Dragon Tank, Ford Anglia, 1939 LaSalle/Miller Funeral Coach, Ford Consul, Austin A55 Cambridge Mk. II Jamaican taxi
-FRWL (5): Citroen Traction 11BL, Bentley 4 1/4 Litre Drophead Coupe, 1959 Plymouth Savoy Istanbul Taxi, 1961 Chevrolet Apache 1-Ton Stakebed truck, 1960 Ford Ranch Wagon (four-door)
-GF (11!): Aston Martin DB5 with Tire-Shredder, Aston Martin DB5 crashed, 1964 Ford Mustang Convertible, 1964 Ford Thunderbird Convertible (with 1965 rear end), 1964 Lincoln Continental, 1964 Ford Ranchero (my pick for worst), Rolls-Royce Phantom III Sedanca de Ville (my pick for best UH model), 1964 Ford Country Squire 9-Passenger Station Wagon, Mercedes-Benz 180 (W120), Dodge M43 Ambulance, 1964 Lincoln Continental Convertible
-TB (7): Aston Martin DB5 with Water Cannons, 1965 Ford Mustang Convertible, 1957 Ford Fairlane 500 Skyliner, Mercedes-Benz W110 Binz Europ 1100 Ambulance, 1965 Ford Thunderbird (well, with a 1964 grille), 1964 Lincoln Continental Lehmann-Peterson Limousine, Morris Minor 1000 Convertible in LHD
-YOLT (3!): Little Nellie, Toyota 2000GT, Toyopet Crown Deluxe (no, it's not a Toyota Crown)
-OHMSS (6): Aston-Martin DBS, 1969 Mercury Cougar Convertible, Mercedes-Benz 600 SWB in RHD, Austin Mini rallye car, VW Beetle (good model, but wrong generation), Mercedes-Benz 220S (W111)
-DAF (5): 1971 Ford Mustang Mach I, Triumph Stag, Moon Buggy, 1967 Cadillac/Miller-Meteor Hearse (a Superior was used in the film; oh well, great model!), 1972 Ford Econoline Club Wagon (a 1971 was used in the film; the side door and hinges for the hood are the giveaways that it's a 1972)
-LALD (8): Dunham Coach Corvorado, Mini Moke, 1973 Chevy Nova police car, 1963 Chevy Impala Convertible, Checker Marathon NYC Taxi, 1973 Chevrolet Impala Custom Coupe, 1973 Chevrolet Bel Air airport taxi, 1973 Chevrolet Bel Air Louisiana State Police car
-TSWLM (5): Lotus Esprit submarine, Lotus Esprit on land, Leyland Sherpa Telephone Van, Ford Taunus TC2, Kawasaki Z900 Motorcycle
-MR (5): MP Lafer roadster, Hispano-Suiza cabriolet (unsure of model), Chevrolet C10 Ambulance (Brazilian Chevrolet), Bondola, Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow I
-FYEO (7): Citroen 2CV, Lotus Esprit Turbo (in red), Lotus Esprit Turbo (in white), GP Beach Buggy, Peugeot 504, Mercedes-Benz 450SEL (W116) (really closer to a 450SE (W116)), Mercedes-Benz 200D (W115)
-OP (8): Mercedes-Benz 250SE on rails, Tuk-Tuk auto-rickshaw, Mahindra CJ-3B pre-1967 (wrongly called a Willys M606), BMW 518 Polizei, Acrostar jet, Range Rover Convertible, Austin FX4 London taxi, Scaldia-Volga M24 Sedan
-AVTAK (6): Renault 11 Taxi cut to bits, 1984 Chevrolet Corvette, Renault 11 Taxi not cut to bits, 1978 Dodge Monaco SFPD car, Renault Fuego Turbo, Rolls-Royce Silver Cloud II
-TLD (8): Aston Martin V8 Vantage "Winterized", Lada 1500 Verejna Bezpecnost cut-in-half, Land Rover Series III, Land Rover Lightweight mocked up as a Soviet 4x4, Aston Martin V8 Volante (sorta), Non-Prototypical Audi, Lada Nova 2105 1200, Wales & Edwards Rangemaster Milk Float
-GE (6): T55 Tank, BMW Z3, Ferrari F355 (kinda), ZAZ-965A Zaporozhets, GAZ-31029 Volga, VAZ-2106 Zhiguli "St. Petersburg Militsiya GAI"
-TND (3!): BMW 750iL, Range Rover 4.6 HSE, Mercedes-Benz S-Class
-TWINE (5): BMW Z8, Q-Boat, Parahawk, Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow II, Lada Niva 1600L
-DAD (7): Aston Martin Vanquish, Jaguar XKR, Eleventh Generation Ford Thunderbird, Lamborghini Diablo, 1957 Ford Fairlane 500 Skyliner, Ford GT40, Osprey 5 hovercraft (presumably not filled with eels)
-CR (7): Jaguar XJ8, Daimler DS420 Limo, Range Rover Sport, Daimler X350 Super 8 (which never appeared in the film, the X308 did), Land Rover Defender, 2001 Ford Crown Victoria Miami-Dade Police Car, ZIL-117 SWB Limousine
-QoS (8): Aston Martin DBS V12, Ford Ka Hydrogen Fuel Cell model, Alfa Romeo 159, Land Rover Defender Carabinieri, Range Rover Sport, Ford Edge Hydrogen Fuel Cell model, 1989 Ford Bronco II, Aston Martin DBS V12 with crash damage
-SF (2): Aston Martin DB5, unknown Land Rover (could be a Discovery 4 or Defender 110)
I believe (and correct me if I'm wrong) that in its purest sense 'muscle car' was a term largely applied to just a few American cars in a very short space of time. The general idea was for some US car manufacturers to take what was essentially a conventional passenger car and make it ridiculously powerful - one of the most iconic movie examples being the Challenger in 'Vanishing Point'.
I'd read that because they were heavy ordinary cars (as against sports cars), the only way of making them go like a bat out of hell was to use the brute force of huge engines - hence the 'muscle' needed to make them shift. Other powerful machines such as Ferrari, Porsche, Corvette etc were of a lighter construction and mostly 2 seaters, designed specifically as sports cars, so were in a different category. I think the equivalent in the UK would have been like Ford manufacturing a Cortina Mk2 or Mk3 factory fitted with a turbo charged V8 or V12. In the US, I believe the whole thing petered out with the oil crisis and emissions controls back in the early to mid 70's, which brought about the smaller, more emasculated Mustangs etc.
I've not heard of muscle cars ever being made anywhere outside America apart from Australia (think of the cars seen in 'Mad Max').
Modern car marketing departments and the media still try to use the glamour of the term 'muscle car' - i.e. when the paparazzi spot a celeb driving anything American, he or she is apparently in a 'muscle car' - but IMHO the term belongs back in the late 60s and early 70s when fuel was dirt cheap, cars pumped cr*p into the air and car manufacturers could do almost anything they wanted. A true 'muscle car' nowadays would have no restrictions placed on it whatsoever - a road going 230mph NASCAR vehicle maybe.
As far as movies go regarding cars, there's only one car we've not seen and can't judge: Issue 134, the Land Rover from SF. Yet, SF only has two cars. It would be unfair to judge it, honestly. Therefore, let's go with what we know...
-DN (7): Sunbeam Alpine, 1957 Chevy Bel Air Convertible, Dragon Tank, Ford Anglia, 1939 LaSalle/Miller Funeral Coach, Ford Consul, Austin A55 Cambridge Mk. II Jamaican taxi
-FRWL (5): Citroen Traction 11BL, Bentley 4 1/4 Litre Drophead Coupe, 1959 Plymouth Savoy Istanbul Taxi, 1961 Chevrolet Apache 1-Ton Stakebed truck, 1960 Ford Ranch Wagon (four-door)
-GF (11!): Aston Martin DB5 with Tire-Shredder, Aston Martin DB5 crashed, 1964 Ford Mustang Convertible, 1964 Ford Thunderbird Convertible (with 1965 rear end), 1964 Lincoln Continental, 1964 Ford Ranchero (my pick for worst), Rolls-Royce Phantom III Sedanca de Ville (my pick for best UH model), 1964 Ford Country Squire 9-Passenger Station Wagon, Mercedes-Benz 180 (W120), Dodge M43 Ambulance, 1964 Lincoln Continental Convertible
-TB (7): Aston Martin DB5 with Water Cannons, 1965 Ford Mustang Convertible, 1957 Ford Fairlane 500 Skyliner, Mercedes-Benz W110 Binz Europ 1100 Ambulance, 1965 Ford Thunderbird (well, with a 1964 grille), 1964 Lincoln Continental Lehmann-Peterson Limousine, Morris Minor 1000 Convertible in LHD
-YOLT (3!): Little Nellie, Toyota 2000GT, Toyopet Crown Deluxe (no, it's not a Toyota Crown)
-OHMSS (6): Aston-Martin DBS, 1969 Mercury Cougar Convertible, Mercedes-Benz 600 SWB in RHD, Austin Mini rallye car, VW Beetle (good model, but wrong generation), Mercedes-Benz 220S (W111)
-DAF (5): 1971 Ford Mustang Mach I, Triumph Stag, Moon Buggy, 1967 Cadillac/Miller-Meteor Hearse (a Superior was used in the film; oh well, great model!), 1972 Ford Econoline Club Wagon (a 1971 was used in the film; the side door and hinges for the hood are the giveaways that it's a 1972)
-LALD (8): Dunham Coach Corvorado, Mini Moke, 1973 Chevy Nova police car, 1963 Chevy Impala Convertible, Checker Marathon NYC Taxi, 1973 Chevrolet Impala Custom Coupe, 1973 Chevrolet Bel Air airport taxi, 1973 Chevrolet Bel Air Louisiana State Police car
-TSWLM (5): Lotus Esprit submarine, Lotus Esprit on land, Leyland Sherpa Telephone Van, Ford Taunus TC2, Kawasaki Z900 Motorcycle
-MR (5): MP Lafer roadster, Hispano-Suiza cabriolet (unsure of model), Chevrolet C10 Ambulance (Brazilian Chevrolet), Bondola, Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow I
-FYEO (7): Citroen 2CV, Lotus Esprit Turbo (in red), Lotus Esprit Turbo (in white), GP Beach Buggy, Peugeot 504, Mercedes-Benz 450SEL (W116) (really closer to a 450SE (W116)), Mercedes-Benz 200D (W115)
-OP (8): Mercedes-Benz 250SE on rails, Tuk-Tuk auto-rickshaw, Mahindra CJ-3B pre-1967 (wrongly called a Willys M606), BMW 518 Polizei, Acrostar jet, Range Rover Convertible, Austin FX4 London taxi, Scaldia-Volga M24 Sedan
-AVTAK (6): Renault 11 Taxi cut to bits, 1984 Chevrolet Corvette, Renault 11 Taxi not cut to bits, 1978 Dodge Monaco SFPD car, Renault Fuego Turbo, Rolls-Royce Silver Cloud II
-TLD (8): Aston Martin V8 Vantage "Winterized", Lada 1500 Verejna Bezpecnost cut-in-half, Land Rover Series III, Land Rover Lightweight mocked up as a Soviet 4x4, Aston Martin V8 Volante (sorta), Non-Prototypical Audi, Lada Nova 2105 1200, Wales & Edwards Rangemaster Milk Float
-GE (6): T55 Tank, BMW Z3, Ferrari F355 (kinda), ZAZ-965A Zaporozhets, GAZ-31029 Volga, VAZ-2106 Zhiguli "St. Petersburg Militsiya GAI"
-TND (3!): BMW 750iL, Range Rover 4.6 HSE, Mercedes-Benz S-Class
-TWINE (5): BMW Z8, Q-Boat, Parahawk, Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow II, Lada Niva 1600L
-DAD (7): Aston Martin Vanquish, Jaguar XKR, Eleventh Generation Ford Thunderbird, Lamborghini Diablo, 1957 Ford Fairlane 500 Skyliner, Ford GT40, Osprey 5 hovercraft (presumably not filled with eels)
-CR (7): Jaguar XJ8, Daimler DS420 Limo, Range Rover Sport, Daimler X350 Super 8 (which never appeared in the film, the X308 did), Land Rover Defender, 2001 Ford Crown Victoria Miami-Dade Police Car, ZIL-117 SWB Limousine
-QoS (8): Aston Martin DBS V12, Ford Ka Hydrogen Fuel Cell model, Alfa Romeo 159, Land Rover Defender Carabinieri, Range Rover Sport, Ford Edge Hydrogen Fuel Cell model, 1989 Ford Bronco II, Aston Martin DBS V12 with crash damage
-SF (2): Aston Martin DB5, unknown Land Rover (could be a Discovery 4 or Defender 110)
And there you have it.
Licence to Kill didn't really have a huge selection of vehicles to choose from, so the low count of 3 is in some ways understandable, but just look at this lot that were available in TND (!)
I believe (and correct me if I'm wrong) that in its purest sense 'muscle car' was a term largely applied to just a few American cars in a very short space of time.
Yes, but even books written during the 1980's have a comparatively long muscle car era (spanning about 1962-1974). Ironically, the very Dodge Challenger you point out was NOT considered a muscle car when it actually came out. That honor fell to the Dodge Charger. The original term was SO restrictive (that being that it had to be the absolute top of the line performance car for each marque, although subvariants counted...for example, both a Charger and a Charger R/T were considered muscle cars and a 1968-1970 AMX with or without a Go Pack was a muscle car, but the equally powerful Javelin with a Go Pack and AMC Rebel Machine were not) that it was literally altered by the mid-1970's. There are in fact only a VERY few undisputed muscle cars: the 1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS and 1970 Pontiac GTO would be two. Most people consider the first muscle car to actually have been called a muscle car in common parlance to be the 1964 Pontiac Tempest GTO. The problem, of course, was that you did have previously existing vehicles (such as the Ford Galaxie's two-door performance options; the aforementioned 1963 1/2 Ford Galaxie 500XL with the 427 "Cammer" engine in particular) that could outperform the '64 GTO in virtually all ways. So, all of a sudden, 1964 really couldn't be the start of the muscle car era. In fact, the '64 GTO that appears on virtually every single list of muscle cars doesn't actually meet most of the early criteria for a muscle car, despite the fact that nearly everyone called it "the first muscle car"! It was neither built from the ground up as a performance car nor was it even a performance-only badging (the GTO was nothing more than an option for the 1964 Pontiac Tempest).
Interesting you bring up the Corvette. Many people consider the late 1960's-early 1970's Corvettes to indeed have been muscle cars. Look on the inside and they've got WAY more in common with a Chevelle or (especially) a Camaro than they do with a Nova or a Ford Mustang. Ironically, the AMC AMX has always been considered a muscle car and was basically the closest analog outside GM to the Corvette of that era (in 1968, 1969, and 1970, anyway).
I do agree the term being revived is quite frankly a bit annoying and like I said, aside from the Americas (because you actually did have Brazilian Ford muscle cars in particular [the Maverick GT was quite frankly SO powerful that it ceased to be a pony car and ranked up there with 1969 or 1970 Mustang] as well as Argentine Ford Fairlanes with the 292 Y-Block V8 as well as special engine options that could be ordered from Brazil...never mind that Brazil and Argentina's muscle car eras lasted into the late 1970's), Australia (and I do include the Falcon XY GTHO Phase III in that definition, not just the XA and XB Falcons, Chrysler Valiant Charger R/T [despite its 6-cylinder engine], as well as the AMI Rambler AMX, AMI Rambler Javelin, and some other CKD cars), and South Africa (which often rebadged Australian and American muscle cars; the Ford Fairmont GT was identical to the GTHO Phase II and GTHO Phase III, the Ford Galaxie's and even the Ford Torino's performance options could be custom-ordered, there was the fourth generation Dodge Polara [which was the same as its full-size American muscle car cousin], and of course you also had American Motors sending CKD kits of the AMX, Javelin, and Rebel Machine into the country where they were badged as Rambler AMX, Rambler Javelin, and Rambler Rebel Machine), the term just doesn't work.
Licence to Kill didn't really have a huge selection of vehicles to choose from
Sort of. The Willys MB Jeep in the PTS was an existing Ixo mould, as was the Jeep CJ-7 in the truck chase. And you had Bond's Lincoln Mk. VII SLE Coupe.
but just look at this lot that were available in TND
The UAZ-469B did indeed appear in TND, although was way more prominent in GE obviously, plus TWINE and DAD in that order (it appeared in every one of Brosnan's films plus very briefly in TLD). The Ford Scorpio that blew its tires was a surprising omission, though. Ditto the Jeep Cherokee, which despite being RHD, would have been great if Ixo did it and then resold it LHD. Less so the Opel Senator, but it would have been nice to see. Also, I think they probably could have recycled TND's Daimler DS420 from CR if they had to. At the very least it would've looked nicer than the Rolls-Royce or Lincoln Continental convertible (it was a better model than both).
Great to hear we've broken the 1 million views mark - I nominate our most prolific poster buys the drinks!
Interesting you bring up the Corvette. Many people consider the late 1960's-early 1970's Corvettes to indeed have been muscle cars. Look on the inside and they've got WAY more in common with a Chevelle or (especially) a Camaro than they do with a Nova or a Ford Mustang. Ironically, the AMC AMX has always been considered a muscle car and was basically the closest analog outside GM to the Corvette of that era (in 1968, 1969, and 1970, anyway).
That's surprising - I would have thought the Corvette was conceived as a pure-bred sportscar (as against a passenger car) and most of its 60's/ early 70's incarnations were as a sportscar, rather like a constantly re-vamped E-Type. It's odd how cars end up being 'pigeon-holed'. We have several cars in the UK that are simply tweaked family saloons or even convertible small engined saloons that are regarded by many here as being 'sportscars', so it works the other way round too.
The UAZ-469B did indeed appear in TND, although was way more prominent in GE obviously, plus TWINE and DAD in that order (it appeared in every one of Brosnan's films plus very briefly in TLD).
Here's one for you. Working on the basis of the JBCC not giving us a UAZ, but we do have the GE box and diorama from no.80, the Gaz Volga, how would you go about making a code3 Goldeneye UAZ?
That's surprising - I would have thought the Corvette was conceived as a pure-bred sportscar (as against a passenger car) and most of its 60's/ early 70's incarnations were as a sportscar, rather like a constantly re-vamped E-Type.
But ultimately, isn't this true of a LOT of cars? Look at the Ford Thunderbird. It started out life as a proto-muscle car VERY much in the vein of the Chrysler 300, but much smaller. In its second generation, it practically IS an updated 1955 Chrysler 300. In the third generation, the T-Bird DOES return to its roots after Elwood Engel basically realized that the 1960 T-Bird was a really nice car, but also ill-conceived. But then you have the 1964 facelift that turns it into very high-end pony car regarding both its engine and its being geared toward the luxury market. After 1966, the T-Bird morphs into a luxury car that admittedly is still pretty sporty. But in 1972, then you get the T-Bird-as-luxury car. It wasn't really a sports car again.
Then you have the Chevrolet Camaro. The Camaro is introduced as a pony car (good idea, since they needed something to bridge the gap between the early performance option Novas and the Chevelles), became a full-blown muscle car, went back down to being a pony car, and then in the 1980's, you could argue that it simultaneously became an import fighter as well as, in the largest-engined cases, basically became a Corvette for those that couldn't afford the Corvette.
Finally, we have my favorite example: the Ford Mustang. In 1964 and 1965, you have what is probably the truest pony car ever made that perfectly bridges the gap between sports car and muscle car. But with each year after 1965, you get successively bigger engines, a 2+2 option, and by 1968, you've really started to turn your car into a "Ford Camaro". In 1969 and 1970, you've got a full-blown muscle car, and then you upsize the body in 1971 to get the infamous "Ford Clydesdale", which was of course a muscle car. It had to be to just move that huge body and chassis along. The Mustang Mach I, when you ordered it with sport trim, wasn't really THAT different from the Torino or the Galaxie's performance options. That's the entire reason the vastly-underrated Ford Maverick Grabber was introduced: the Mustang had lost sight of its roots to the point that it was no longer even close to what it had been a mere six years earlier.
In 1974, you supposedly saw the car return to its roots with the Mustang II. The problem was that cool styling aside, it was much weaker than the early 1970's Maverick Grabber had been and was absolutely loathed by its own target audience. When the Mustang II debacle was finally overwith, you saw an attempt to turn it into a sports car (didn't work), another attempt to turn it into a pony car (didn't work), and finally to pitch it as an updated pony car, which finally worked. But look at the outside of the car during those post-Mustang II years and it barely changes, just like the Corvette. Yet, nobody argues it was struggling to find an automotive identity.
I guess the Corvette's fanbase is just stronger. It was very much a European-style sports car until you have the famous 1962 redesign. You then wind up with what amounts to a proto-pony car, a true pony car, eventually a muscle car, back down into a pony car, and then they seem totally lost during the mid-late 1970's up until about 1982. THEN the Corvette returns to its roots, and even that's arguable since it's been upscaled so much. Some writers at the time said it returned to its 1960's roots, as in, the famed '62-'67 generation Vette. And there it stayed, just being modernized each time. Only in 1997 does the Corvette return to its European sports car style roots.
I think the famous October 1968 Motor Trend quote sums up the third generation Corvette the best: "The small-engine Corvettes* are marginally faster and extraordinarily civilized. The large-engine Corvettes** are extraordinarily fast and marginally civilized."
*Generation 2 and earlier.
**The Generation 3 cars, for which there was the 1968 and the just-released 1969 for Motor Trend to see.
Here's one for you. Working on the basis of the JBCC not giving us a UAZ, but we do have the GE box and diorama from no.80, the Gaz Volga, how would you go about making a code3 Goldeneye UAZ?
Good question! Nobody currently makes one with its top down, as many of the versions in GE appeared. Still, most of the ones coming out of the alley in pursuit of the T55 had the top up, so that's your background. Your best bet to model is the Nash Avtoprom version with a painted interior to save yourself a bit of work. Use a GAZ-31029 Volga driver behind the wheel and get three more spare figures (from broken factory seconds) of the same guy. Now get a factory second Toyopet Crown Deluxe, and pull the arms off both figures. Yes, I know the guns will be incorrect, but swap arms. Now paint the sleeves on the arms khaki. Instead of pulling the somewhat fragile top off, you'll want to remove the base of the car. Just get out a Phillips head screwdriver and get to work. Glue the figures in place with a bit of wood glue. Trust me on the type of glue. Now screw the base back on. The UAZ-469B is complete, the diorama isn't.
Firstly, printing out a diorama should actually be pretty easy; just have the UAZ-469B as the lead vehicle emerging from the alleyway. You can work in the entire fleet of them that way without much if any editing. For the side flap, just have a stretch of road; it's seen anyway. But that leaves ironically the most complex bit of the whole display: the plinth. Universal Hobbies designed its display plinths with little square holes for pegs on the bottom of the car to fit into. Ixo didn't do this. Instead, they used what they use on basically all of their other models: a small black screwholder to support the vehicle, held in by one to three screws.
Therefore, you'll have to totally obliterate the peg. File it down VERY carefully; the screwhole WILL remain intact, but you don't want to destroy it so badly that you can't get a screw through the hole. You're also going to have to live with a painted-black single screw holding the UAZ-469B in place. There's no other way, I'm afraid, short of gluing the model to its plinth (which would look extremely crude). I hope I helped!
By the way, got the Wales & Edwards Rangemaster Milk Float yeterday and love it! Well done model. Doesn't have duallys, btw...not all W&E Rangemasters did, apparently. My only complaint is that they seem to have totally botched the tiny signs saying "This vehicle is equipped with a [something] security [something]" on the pillars. Instead, it's just a weird jumble of letters. Granted, you do need a magnifying glass to see it, but the computer model got it right.
Went round the local newsagent yesterday and fount the Chevrolet Apache FRWL truck. It looked so nice that I just had to buy it. The rear will look much better once I give it a bit of weathering to make it like it’s made of wood and not plastic. The previous issue, Dodge Ram (126) was there as well, but I have seen it there for quite a few weeks and there seems to be no interest in it. To me it just looked like another nondescript American ute, so had to pass it. Looking forward to the next issue, the Dodge ambulance as well as the milk float, and to me the JBCC will then be closed.
They're calling full-size pickups utes in Australia now? Used to be a divider line (still used by my cousins) that if it was car-based, it was a ute, if it wasn't, it was either a "pickup", "utility truck", or, what with them being transplanted South Africans and all, "bakkie" to apply to virtually any utility vehicle.
By the way, making the outside of the cargo bed look wooden shouldn't be too hard, but what are your plans for the inside?
We've always called them utes. We never call them pick-ups. A hi-lux ute is a ute as much as a Falcon ute is a ute. Sometimes to differentiate, I've heard some described as a tradie's ute, but that could be either car based or not as well.
We've always called them utes. We never call them pick-ups.
Depends on how far you're going back, it would seem. My cousin actually emailed me and corrected me two days back. "No, not 'pickup'. Unless you're restoring a classic or something. It would be like you calling a large convertible a touring car. They exist, but they are very old. You say 'ute', 'tradie ute', and for some very large vehicles 'truck'. 'Pickup's' not been used since the 1960's."
To shorten his email to me, which elaborated in all kinds of ways, he gave the example of Chrysler Corporation's 1958 Australian catalogue as being one of the few instances where the term pickup is used. The Dodge Kingsway Ute was not listed amongst trucks. However, the DeSoto D100 (rebadged Dodge D100) is. In the description, it's referred to as a "pickup".
However, most of his brochures are Ford-related. The early 1960's F100 is explicitly called a "truck", but neither a "ute" nor a "pickup". In the latter half of the 1960's, specifically 1968, he does have a special order brochure that advertises the F100 as a "utility truck".
In 1965, he does find ONE very extensive use of the word "pickup": again in Ford's advertising of the F100. However, he notes that much of the advertisement is "identical to an advertisement I was able to find on the internet printed for American readers[...]Most of the material relates to radical changes in the design of the chassis from the prior model year and rewriting it makes little sense.[...]In the 1970's, we see a change over to 'utility' and that's surely shortened to 'ute'. The last clear difference I can see is the 1968 advertisement saying the F100 is a 'utility truck' while merely calling the Falcons etc. 'utes'"
We've always called them utes. We never call them pick-ups.
Depends on how far you're going back, it would seem. My cousin actually emailed me and corrected me two days back. "No, not 'pickup'. Unless you're restoring a classic or something. It would be like you calling a large convertible a touring car. They exist, but they are very old. You say 'ute', 'tradie ute', and for some very large vehicles 'truck'. 'Pickup's' not been used since the 1960's."
To shorten his email to me, which elaborated in all kinds of ways, he gave the example of Chrysler Corporation's 1958 Australian catalogue as being one of the few instances where the term pickup is used. The Dodge Kingsway Ute was not listed amongst trucks. However, the DeSoto D100 (rebadged Dodge D100) is. In the description, it's referred to as a "pickup".
However, most of his brochures are Ford-related. The early 1960's F100 is explicitly called a "truck", but neither a "ute" nor a "pickup". In the latter half of the 1960's, specifically 1968, he does have a special order brochure that advertises the F100 as a "utility truck".
In 1965, he does find ONE very extensive use of the word "pickup": again in Ford's advertising of the F100. However, he notes that much of the advertisement is "identical to an advertisement I was able to find on the internet printed for American readers[...]Most of the material relates to radical changes in the design of the chassis from the prior model year and rewriting it makes little sense.[...]In the 1970's, we see a change over to 'utility' and that's surely shortened to 'ute'. The last clear difference I can see is the 1968 advertisement saying the F100 is a 'utility truck' while merely calling the Falcons etc. 'utes'"
I stand corrected!
Well I admit to being unfamilar with 1960s automative advertising. I should clarify that in our everyday speech we would use ute, regardless of what an advertising brochure called it..
Well I admit to being unfamilar with 1960s automative advertising. I should clarify that in our everyday speech we would use ute, regardless of what an advertising brochure called it..
My cousin speculates that it was dying out in the 1960's; the 1965 brochure he scanned and emailed me that was filled with references to an F100 "pickup" was aimed toward dealers, not customers. Likewise, the use of "utility truck" appears in a special order brochure (in the catalogue, it's just called the "Ford F100"). If you think about it, it's actually a bit odd how ambiguous it remained throughout the 1960's. The latest brochure aimed toward casual consumers to use the term "pickup" was the Chrysler brochure from 1958, so you could actually have to go back even father than the 1960's. Even then, the DeSoto D100 is listed under "DeSoto Trucks". DeSoto's Express-bodied D100's from prior years are likewise called "pickups", but then I decided to search the internet for 1950's Ford F100's in Australia. The two most common terms I found? "Truck" and "utility truck" (presumably to differentiate from the origin of "ute", which is a shortening of "coupe utility"). To find F100 "pickups" referred to as such, I had to go all the way back to the late 1940's and early 1950's. However, pre-WWII pickups are referred to as just that: pickups.
I hope Jag is reading this. Quite frankly, since Chrysler seems to have stuck with the term the longest, I'm wondering if it was only associated with THEIR trucks at the time. It did seem to have SOME effect. Google "DeSoto Ute" or "Dodge Ute" and practically all the ones that would be called pickups in the US made prior to about 1960 are referred to merely as "trucks", "work trucks", or "working trucks".
EDIT: Okay, I think I know why Chrysler was so insistent on using the term "pickup" or at the very least "truck". When they introduced their American-style pickups onto the Australian market (under THREE different brand names: Dodge, Fargo, and DeSoto), they had four different bed styles: Stepside, Sweptside, Deluxe Ute (had a sloping back to the cab), and Ute (no slope back on the cab, but the sides were very high and even with the cab). In other words, they seem to have used "pickup" avoid confusion between their different types of trucks. Otherwise, your situation at the Chrysler Australia dealership becomes a bit like Abbott and Costello's "Who's on First" routine.
This Fargo with a Stepside bed was made for the South African market, but swap out the license plates and you've got the Australian version. I have no idea why, but most of the Stepside bed versions just seem to be rusting to powder.
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Way back when the series first started I had a regular (UK) newsagent order and had cause to take one issue back, having unpacked it and found a problem. I had such a game trying to explain to the shop assistant and then the manageress why badly 'off register' printing was unnacceptable (on no.16, the standard SWLM Lotus) that I cancelled the order. It was much easier dealing direct with 'back issues' - they were slower, but didn't need in depth explanations, there was never any quibbling and they let you keep the faulty model. I suppose the point being that unless a newsagent is into the hobby themselves, it would be nigh on impossible for them to spot damage or flaws apart from obvious things like cracked cases or bits of the model rattling around loose.
I have to say, yourmovemrbond, I'm amazed the trade price per issue is so high - I would have expected maybe £5 each or even less.
Guess you are right Web based fulfillment will be the only route, even call centres cost a lot so telephone sales may go especially since the special numbers they use tend to cost a fortune to mobile users making them even less popular. Interestingly deagostini has run trailers for selling tank collection part work in us via website only so maybe that is shades of things to come.
to moviecarfan.....yes, there are difficulties when a newsagent tries to send anything back......as i said before, if he doesnt tell the distributor by 10 oclock on the same day he gets it, there is a problem......quite often a customer will not pick the model up for a few days......by this time it is way past the time the newsagent can return it.........also by this time the newsagent will have paid for it ( 7 days or your supplies are CUT).....if the customer spots something he doesnt think is correct, for example offset tampo, loose component, misaligned headlamps.....then it boils down to a standoff betwwen customer and newsagent.........many are benevoent and understanding and will see the customers point of view.......many will not........but the newsagent who gives the customer his money back now has to fight the distributor who tells him that the time limit for returns is ended.......its all back to the publisher then, who cites agreement between publisher and distributor..........After a few of these episodes the newsagent is out of pocket, and a bit miffed.......he wont be making that mistake again...........As you rightly say, he will look for obvious faults such as cracked cases, but flaws that a collector will find intolerable, would easily get overlooked by a busy newsagent.....and yes, the margines are pretty poor arnt they?........very large newsagents with a very high newsbill can get 22% in certain circumstances, but for the guy who gets in one or 2 copies, 10% is more usual
to Maz.......yes, i get lots of fellow collectors calling me after they have spent (lots of) time of the helplines trying to get issues of various partworks...........it seems to be a bit of a nightmare..........i can fully understand why it seems much easier to click on a button on ebay and have the item delivered a couple of days later........i have had experience myself with this.....when a customer wants a back-number, i have to ring the publisher!!!!....i dont believe i can swear on this forum!!!.....waits of 5 weeks are not uncommon!!..........i believe you are right in the assumption that more and more publishers will move towards their own distribution for financial reasons.....but they have to sharpen up their act with supplies first or we are all gonna get miffed!!
back to topic.....Is anyone looking forward to the Bel Air Police car more than I am? cant wait 8 days to go!!
Absolutely dying to get it! Someone on the "Grumpy Old Men" forum pointed out the light bar was oversized for a Louisiana State Police car, but was quickly silenced when it was pointed out that that was the lightbar fitted to the film car. In fact, if you look closely at the Louisiana State Police cars, none of them has the same siren if they're '73 Chevys (the lightbar fitted to Sheriff Pepper's car...or at least the one he commandeers...matches the model)! I'm guessing that one of the light/siren manufacturers also did this as product placement, since Dunham Coach (owned by Les Dunham) did a ton of modifications that appear throughout the film, such as the Corvorado and its derivatives, the Cadillac (well, one of them...the other is genuine stock '72 Caddy), and even some of the background cars in Harlem that were tricked-out Lincolns.
Also, unfortunately, except for the SF Land Rover (of some type, since it's been established by maz that both a Discovery 4 and a Defender 110 appear in the film), I can't really get excited over any of the remaining vehicles. The DB5 looks nice, but I've got both Minichamps versions, the gold-colored Corgi version, and the 1/36 Corgi version. The Lincoln Continental seems to be an eyesore. The Rolls-Royce isn't that great, either. And that leaves the Land Rover, which we've still not seen. One bit of a silver lining for subscribers is that I believe the Land Rover is Issue 134. In other words, it will arrive in their last package, if not be the last car in the series.
My Dad also talks via email to a pretty-decently-sized active dealer on a regular basis (also a guy who just up and quit after 110 issues). Your experiences and his sound very similar, so regardless of size, I'm guessing Eaglemoss's "ya know, we could really live without dealers even if it costs us money" approach seems universal.
I'm looking forward to the DB5 as a definitive 'Skyfall' memento, but am also very much looking forward to the Chevy and Defender on their own merits. (BTW I rang Database today and they said subscribers' Chevys are going out right now) I'm really interested to see if the Defender will be 'beaten up'! I'll probably pass on the Roller and Lincoln.
My back orders are taking longer than I was told can I just email them - no - why not its 2012?
I have a back order plus issue 120/121 still outstanding from my regular subscription. As we are approaching the end of this and now four months has passed from the original scheduled delivery I am somewhat concerned.
Re DAL110 and SF Landrovers . In fact when i saw the film i noticed examples of all the Landrover current range including the Freelander and Evoque. Near the end you also see the nose of an older defender . However as models I hope it is the Defender 110 or the Discovery 4 that is issued. The Range Rover although did have plenty of screen time has been covered pretty well in the collection already.
So beyond 135 what going to happen to this thread ? It has to be some kind of record in forum world
When the series started in Australia, there was TV advertising as well, asking to subscribe at the newagents. Which I did. But then, when I collected the first issues, they were flyers asking to subscribe directly online in order to receive the free gifts. Which shows that partwork publishers only use the newsagents as it is a convenient way to show off a new series to potential customers. Once this is done and after the first few issues, newsagent sales become less important to them than web sales. Our Australian distributor is actually quite good - they answer emails within 1-2 days, they have a normal rate phone number, and once you have created an account you can check your despatch and payment dates.
I'll just try harder next time.
I agree...but too bad they didn't! Automotive lingo usually changes pretty fast and from generation to generation. Would you believe "muscle car" has re-entered the vernacular in my generation to describe just about any sports car? Too bad Dad's '71 Olds Cutlass Supreme was sold off years ago. It would blow half these modern cars out of the water and the other half (which I've nothing against, just something against calling a modern Ford Mustang or a BMW coupe a "muscle car") I could at the very least show 'em what a muscle car really is!
EDIT: We're just under 500 views away from a million! That HAS to be a record! One of the off-topic threads is actually beating us out for posts (by a couple pages), but nowhere near close to views!
Guess the term "muscle car" evolved in the same way. I guess you wouldn't call the DB5 or E-Type a muscle car even now though?
Regarding muscle cars , I think the last true muscle car or defined as a muscle car is the 80's 90's Porsche 928 5.0 v8 . All engine ! My xk8 is 4.0 litre v8 but is not regarded as a muscle car but a sports coupe.
I'm a big 928 fan, and the one in AVTAK would have been pleasing, but the 928 is surely more of a GT. Recent muscle cars, I would suggest, are the Holden Monaro, Vauxhall VXR8 , Dodge Challenger Hemi and the Shelby Mustang KR500.
Also, going back to a previous post (not sure where) about a possible future British car related partwork - something like 'The Open Road', the golden age of British motoring from 1950-1970 might generate some great vehicles and scenes. And in answer to a point made (again not sure where !) about the lack of pleasure to be derived from driving around the UK these days - I'd say there are still some great places to visit if you stick to the B roads and away from towns and motorways. A lot of town centres have sadly been ruined by catering for - yep, the motor car - but there are quite a few that have retained their character. Same can't be said for the cars you see on the roads however. There are a few classics that still pop up here and there, but the days of the great British marques has sadly gone.
Lol and those also. All perfect candidates
I think the 928 is a Gt but fits the bill as a muscle car
"Muscle car" is a really funny term. From the 1990's, a muscle car was anything with an engine of over 310 cubic inches, had to have two doors, and had to be at least able to run on leaded gasoline. A pony car met the same definition, except its engine CID had only to exceed 170. Why 170? Because that was the smallest engine to go into the '64 Ford Mustang, and you very obviously couldn't leave that out of the definition.
Of course, the definition immediately presents problems. What about a four-door sedan like the Ford Falcon XY GTHO Phase III? That would blow some of the weaker muscle cars out of the water and remember, the four GTHO Phase IV's that were made were actually two-door. So, obviously geared toward the same market with only marginally better performance. Yet, the XY Falcon Ute, if you include the GS pack, qualifies despite inferior performance (since the El Camino and Ranchero based on the Chevelle and Torino are counted, so logically would the XY Falcon GS Ute)! To be honest, to me, a muscle car will always be of American (including Canada, Mexico, and South America)-Australian-South African in origin, have a big V8 or straight 8 engine, and be from 1955 (proto-muscle cars like the Chrysler 300)-1978 (the end of the Argentine and Brazilian muscle car eras). And it has to be "performance geared". You can't tell me with a straight face that a 1963 1/2 Ford Galaxie 500XL with a 580 horsepower 427 Cammer engine ISN'T a muscle car, yet a 1973 Chevy Malibu is. A pony car starts out for me a bit earlier (1953, with the advent of the Corvette), but ends at roughly the same era. It can have anything from a four-cylinder to a six-cylinder, but MUST be performance oriented. Anything European I just call a "sports car". Anything modern is "modern muscle", not necessarily a term of endearment, I may add.
And we got a million views! By the way, Ixo does have some moulds for 1970's British cars if they want. The Brazilian partwork they have going could provide a few: Vauxhall Chevette first generation (from the Chevrolet Chevette) and Hillman Avenger two-door (from the Dodge 1800), among others.
-DN (7): Sunbeam Alpine, 1957 Chevy Bel Air Convertible, Dragon Tank, Ford Anglia, 1939 LaSalle/Miller Funeral Coach, Ford Consul, Austin A55 Cambridge Mk. II Jamaican taxi
-FRWL (5): Citroen Traction 11BL, Bentley 4 1/4 Litre Drophead Coupe, 1959 Plymouth Savoy Istanbul Taxi, 1961 Chevrolet Apache 1-Ton Stakebed truck, 1960 Ford Ranch Wagon (four-door)
-GF (11!): Aston Martin DB5 with Tire-Shredder, Aston Martin DB5 crashed, 1964 Ford Mustang Convertible, 1964 Ford Thunderbird Convertible (with 1965 rear end), 1964 Lincoln Continental, 1964 Ford Ranchero (my pick for worst), Rolls-Royce Phantom III Sedanca de Ville (my pick for best UH model), 1964 Ford Country Squire 9-Passenger Station Wagon, Mercedes-Benz 180 (W120), Dodge M43 Ambulance, 1964 Lincoln Continental Convertible
-TB (7): Aston Martin DB5 with Water Cannons, 1965 Ford Mustang Convertible, 1957 Ford Fairlane 500 Skyliner, Mercedes-Benz W110 Binz Europ 1100 Ambulance, 1965 Ford Thunderbird (well, with a 1964 grille), 1964 Lincoln Continental Lehmann-Peterson Limousine, Morris Minor 1000 Convertible in LHD
-YOLT (3!): Little Nellie, Toyota 2000GT, Toyopet Crown Deluxe (no, it's not a Toyota Crown)
-OHMSS (6): Aston-Martin DBS, 1969 Mercury Cougar Convertible, Mercedes-Benz 600 SWB in RHD, Austin Mini rallye car, VW Beetle (good model, but wrong generation), Mercedes-Benz 220S (W111)
-DAF (5): 1971 Ford Mustang Mach I, Triumph Stag, Moon Buggy, 1967 Cadillac/Miller-Meteor Hearse (a Superior was used in the film; oh well, great model!), 1972 Ford Econoline Club Wagon (a 1971 was used in the film; the side door and hinges for the hood are the giveaways that it's a 1972)
-LALD (8): Dunham Coach Corvorado, Mini Moke, 1973 Chevy Nova police car, 1963 Chevy Impala Convertible, Checker Marathon NYC Taxi, 1973 Chevrolet Impala Custom Coupe, 1973 Chevrolet Bel Air airport taxi, 1973 Chevrolet Bel Air Louisiana State Police car
-TMWTGG (4!): MGB, 1974 AMC Hornet X, 1974 AMC Matador Coupe, Mercedes-Benz 220 (W115) in RHD
-TSWLM (5): Lotus Esprit submarine, Lotus Esprit on land, Leyland Sherpa Telephone Van, Ford Taunus TC2, Kawasaki Z900 Motorcycle
-MR (5): MP Lafer roadster, Hispano-Suiza cabriolet (unsure of model), Chevrolet C10 Ambulance (Brazilian Chevrolet), Bondola, Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow I
-FYEO (7): Citroen 2CV, Lotus Esprit Turbo (in red), Lotus Esprit Turbo (in white), GP Beach Buggy, Peugeot 504, Mercedes-Benz 450SEL (W116) (really closer to a 450SE (W116)), Mercedes-Benz 200D (W115)
-OP (8): Mercedes-Benz 250SE on rails, Tuk-Tuk auto-rickshaw, Mahindra CJ-3B pre-1967 (wrongly called a Willys M606), BMW 518 Polizei, Acrostar jet, Range Rover Convertible, Austin FX4 London taxi, Scaldia-Volga M24 Sedan
-AVTAK (6): Renault 11 Taxi cut to bits, 1984 Chevrolet Corvette, Renault 11 Taxi not cut to bits, 1978 Dodge Monaco SFPD car, Renault Fuego Turbo, Rolls-Royce Silver Cloud II
-TLD (8): Aston Martin V8 Vantage "Winterized", Lada 1500 Verejna Bezpecnost cut-in-half, Land Rover Series III, Land Rover Lightweight mocked up as a Soviet 4x4, Aston Martin V8 Volante (sorta), Non-Prototypical Audi, Lada Nova 2105 1200, Wales & Edwards Rangemaster Milk Float
-LTK (3!): Maserati Biturbo 425, Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow II, 1986 Dodge Ram Pickup
-GE (6): T55 Tank, BMW Z3, Ferrari F355 (kinda), ZAZ-965A Zaporozhets, GAZ-31029 Volga, VAZ-2106 Zhiguli "St. Petersburg Militsiya GAI"
-TND (3!): BMW 750iL, Range Rover 4.6 HSE, Mercedes-Benz S-Class
-TWINE (5): BMW Z8, Q-Boat, Parahawk, Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow II, Lada Niva 1600L
-DAD (7): Aston Martin Vanquish, Jaguar XKR, Eleventh Generation Ford Thunderbird, Lamborghini Diablo, 1957 Ford Fairlane 500 Skyliner, Ford GT40, Osprey 5 hovercraft (presumably not filled with eels)
-CR (7): Jaguar XJ8, Daimler DS420 Limo, Range Rover Sport, Daimler X350 Super 8 (which never appeared in the film, the X308 did), Land Rover Defender, 2001 Ford Crown Victoria Miami-Dade Police Car, ZIL-117 SWB Limousine
-QoS (8): Aston Martin DBS V12, Ford Ka Hydrogen Fuel Cell model, Alfa Romeo 159, Land Rover Defender Carabinieri, Range Rover Sport, Ford Edge Hydrogen Fuel Cell model, 1989 Ford Bronco II, Aston Martin DBS V12 with crash damage
-SF (2): Aston Martin DB5, unknown Land Rover (could be a Discovery 4 or Defender 110)
And there you have it.
I believe (and correct me if I'm wrong) that in its purest sense 'muscle car' was a term largely applied to just a few American cars in a very short space of time. The general idea was for some US car manufacturers to take what was essentially a conventional passenger car and make it ridiculously powerful - one of the most iconic movie examples being the Challenger in 'Vanishing Point'.
I'd read that because they were heavy ordinary cars (as against sports cars), the only way of making them go like a bat out of hell was to use the brute force of huge engines - hence the 'muscle' needed to make them shift. Other powerful machines such as Ferrari, Porsche, Corvette etc were of a lighter construction and mostly 2 seaters, designed specifically as sports cars, so were in a different category. I think the equivalent in the UK would have been like Ford manufacturing a Cortina Mk2 or Mk3 factory fitted with a turbo charged V8 or V12. In the US, I believe the whole thing petered out with the oil crisis and emissions controls back in the early to mid 70's, which brought about the smaller, more emasculated Mustangs etc.
I've not heard of muscle cars ever being made anywhere outside America apart from Australia (think of the cars seen in 'Mad Max').
Modern car marketing departments and the media still try to use the glamour of the term 'muscle car' - i.e. when the paparazzi spot a celeb driving anything American, he or she is apparently in a 'muscle car' - but IMHO the term belongs back in the late 60s and early 70s when fuel was dirt cheap, cars pumped cr*p into the air and car manufacturers could do almost anything they wanted. A true 'muscle car' nowadays would have no restrictions placed on it whatsoever - a road going 230mph NASCAR vehicle maybe.
Licence to Kill didn't really have a huge selection of vehicles to choose from, so the low count of 3 is in some ways understandable, but just look at this lot that were available in TND (!)
http://imcdb.org/movie.php?id=120347
.........including your UAZ, Dalko!!
Yes, but even books written during the 1980's have a comparatively long muscle car era (spanning about 1962-1974). Ironically, the very Dodge Challenger you point out was NOT considered a muscle car when it actually came out. That honor fell to the Dodge Charger. The original term was SO restrictive (that being that it had to be the absolute top of the line performance car for each marque, although subvariants counted...for example, both a Charger and a Charger R/T were considered muscle cars and a 1968-1970 AMX with or without a Go Pack was a muscle car, but the equally powerful Javelin with a Go Pack and AMC Rebel Machine were not) that it was literally altered by the mid-1970's. There are in fact only a VERY few undisputed muscle cars: the 1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS and 1970 Pontiac GTO would be two. Most people consider the first muscle car to actually have been called a muscle car in common parlance to be the 1964 Pontiac Tempest GTO. The problem, of course, was that you did have previously existing vehicles (such as the Ford Galaxie's two-door performance options; the aforementioned 1963 1/2 Ford Galaxie 500XL with the 427 "Cammer" engine in particular) that could outperform the '64 GTO in virtually all ways. So, all of a sudden, 1964 really couldn't be the start of the muscle car era. In fact, the '64 GTO that appears on virtually every single list of muscle cars doesn't actually meet most of the early criteria for a muscle car, despite the fact that nearly everyone called it "the first muscle car"! It was neither built from the ground up as a performance car nor was it even a performance-only badging (the GTO was nothing more than an option for the 1964 Pontiac Tempest).
Interesting you bring up the Corvette. Many people consider the late 1960's-early 1970's Corvettes to indeed have been muscle cars. Look on the inside and they've got WAY more in common with a Chevelle or (especially) a Camaro than they do with a Nova or a Ford Mustang. Ironically, the AMC AMX has always been considered a muscle car and was basically the closest analog outside GM to the Corvette of that era (in 1968, 1969, and 1970, anyway).
I do agree the term being revived is quite frankly a bit annoying and like I said, aside from the Americas (because you actually did have Brazilian Ford muscle cars in particular [the Maverick GT was quite frankly SO powerful that it ceased to be a pony car and ranked up there with 1969 or 1970 Mustang] as well as Argentine Ford Fairlanes with the 292 Y-Block V8 as well as special engine options that could be ordered from Brazil...never mind that Brazil and Argentina's muscle car eras lasted into the late 1970's), Australia (and I do include the Falcon XY GTHO Phase III in that definition, not just the XA and XB Falcons, Chrysler Valiant Charger R/T [despite its 6-cylinder engine], as well as the AMI Rambler AMX, AMI Rambler Javelin, and some other CKD cars), and South Africa (which often rebadged Australian and American muscle cars; the Ford Fairmont GT was identical to the GTHO Phase II and GTHO Phase III, the Ford Galaxie's and even the Ford Torino's performance options could be custom-ordered, there was the fourth generation Dodge Polara [which was the same as its full-size American muscle car cousin], and of course you also had American Motors sending CKD kits of the AMX, Javelin, and Rebel Machine into the country where they were badged as Rambler AMX, Rambler Javelin, and Rambler Rebel Machine), the term just doesn't work.
Sort of. The Willys MB Jeep in the PTS was an existing Ixo mould, as was the Jeep CJ-7 in the truck chase. And you had Bond's Lincoln Mk. VII SLE Coupe.
The UAZ-469B did indeed appear in TND, although was way more prominent in GE obviously, plus TWINE and DAD in that order (it appeared in every one of Brosnan's films plus very briefly in TLD). The Ford Scorpio that blew its tires was a surprising omission, though. Ditto the Jeep Cherokee, which despite being RHD, would have been great if Ixo did it and then resold it LHD. Less so the Opel Senator, but it would have been nice to see. Also, I think they probably could have recycled TND's Daimler DS420 from CR if they had to. At the very least it would've looked nicer than the Rolls-Royce or Lincoln Continental convertible (it was a better model than both).
Guess I'm buying...
That's surprising - I would have thought the Corvette was conceived as a pure-bred sportscar (as against a passenger car) and most of its 60's/ early 70's incarnations were as a sportscar, rather like a constantly re-vamped E-Type. It's odd how cars end up being 'pigeon-holed'. We have several cars in the UK that are simply tweaked family saloons or even convertible small engined saloons that are regarded by many here as being 'sportscars', so it works the other way round too.
Here's one for you. Working on the basis of the JBCC not giving us a UAZ, but we do have the GE box and diorama from no.80, the Gaz Volga, how would you go about making a code3 Goldeneye UAZ?
But ultimately, isn't this true of a LOT of cars? Look at the Ford Thunderbird. It started out life as a proto-muscle car VERY much in the vein of the Chrysler 300, but much smaller. In its second generation, it practically IS an updated 1955 Chrysler 300. In the third generation, the T-Bird DOES return to its roots after Elwood Engel basically realized that the 1960 T-Bird was a really nice car, but also ill-conceived. But then you have the 1964 facelift that turns it into very high-end pony car regarding both its engine and its being geared toward the luxury market. After 1966, the T-Bird morphs into a luxury car that admittedly is still pretty sporty. But in 1972, then you get the T-Bird-as-luxury car. It wasn't really a sports car again.
Then you have the Chevrolet Camaro. The Camaro is introduced as a pony car (good idea, since they needed something to bridge the gap between the early performance option Novas and the Chevelles), became a full-blown muscle car, went back down to being a pony car, and then in the 1980's, you could argue that it simultaneously became an import fighter as well as, in the largest-engined cases, basically became a Corvette for those that couldn't afford the Corvette.
Finally, we have my favorite example: the Ford Mustang. In 1964 and 1965, you have what is probably the truest pony car ever made that perfectly bridges the gap between sports car and muscle car. But with each year after 1965, you get successively bigger engines, a 2+2 option, and by 1968, you've really started to turn your car into a "Ford Camaro". In 1969 and 1970, you've got a full-blown muscle car, and then you upsize the body in 1971 to get the infamous "Ford Clydesdale", which was of course a muscle car. It had to be to just move that huge body and chassis along. The Mustang Mach I, when you ordered it with sport trim, wasn't really THAT different from the Torino or the Galaxie's performance options. That's the entire reason the vastly-underrated Ford Maverick Grabber was introduced: the Mustang had lost sight of its roots to the point that it was no longer even close to what it had been a mere six years earlier.
In 1974, you supposedly saw the car return to its roots with the Mustang II. The problem was that cool styling aside, it was much weaker than the early 1970's Maverick Grabber had been and was absolutely loathed by its own target audience. When the Mustang II debacle was finally overwith, you saw an attempt to turn it into a sports car (didn't work), another attempt to turn it into a pony car (didn't work), and finally to pitch it as an updated pony car, which finally worked. But look at the outside of the car during those post-Mustang II years and it barely changes, just like the Corvette. Yet, nobody argues it was struggling to find an automotive identity.
I guess the Corvette's fanbase is just stronger. It was very much a European-style sports car until you have the famous 1962 redesign. You then wind up with what amounts to a proto-pony car, a true pony car, eventually a muscle car, back down into a pony car, and then they seem totally lost during the mid-late 1970's up until about 1982. THEN the Corvette returns to its roots, and even that's arguable since it's been upscaled so much. Some writers at the time said it returned to its 1960's roots, as in, the famed '62-'67 generation Vette. And there it stayed, just being modernized each time. Only in 1997 does the Corvette return to its European sports car style roots.
I think the famous October 1968 Motor Trend quote sums up the third generation Corvette the best: "The small-engine Corvettes* are marginally faster and extraordinarily civilized. The large-engine Corvettes** are extraordinarily fast and marginally civilized."
*Generation 2 and earlier.
**The Generation 3 cars, for which there was the 1968 and the just-released 1969 for Motor Trend to see.
Good question! Nobody currently makes one with its top down, as many of the versions in GE appeared. Still, most of the ones coming out of the alley in pursuit of the T55 had the top up, so that's your background. Your best bet to model is the Nash Avtoprom version with a painted interior to save yourself a bit of work. Use a GAZ-31029 Volga driver behind the wheel and get three more spare figures (from broken factory seconds) of the same guy. Now get a factory second Toyopet Crown Deluxe, and pull the arms off both figures. Yes, I know the guns will be incorrect, but swap arms. Now paint the sleeves on the arms khaki. Instead of pulling the somewhat fragile top off, you'll want to remove the base of the car. Just get out a Phillips head screwdriver and get to work. Glue the figures in place with a bit of wood glue. Trust me on the type of glue. Now screw the base back on. The UAZ-469B is complete, the diorama isn't.
Firstly, printing out a diorama should actually be pretty easy; just have the UAZ-469B as the lead vehicle emerging from the alleyway. You can work in the entire fleet of them that way without much if any editing. For the side flap, just have a stretch of road; it's seen anyway. But that leaves ironically the most complex bit of the whole display: the plinth. Universal Hobbies designed its display plinths with little square holes for pegs on the bottom of the car to fit into. Ixo didn't do this. Instead, they used what they use on basically all of their other models: a small black screwholder to support the vehicle, held in by one to three screws.
Therefore, you'll have to totally obliterate the peg. File it down VERY carefully; the screwhole WILL remain intact, but you don't want to destroy it so badly that you can't get a screw through the hole. You're also going to have to live with a painted-black single screw holding the UAZ-469B in place. There's no other way, I'm afraid, short of gluing the model to its plinth (which would look extremely crude). I hope I helped!
We've always called them utes. We never call them pick-ups. A hi-lux ute is a ute as much as a Falcon ute is a ute. Sometimes to differentiate, I've heard some described as a tradie's ute, but that could be either car based or not as well.
Depends on how far you're going back, it would seem. My cousin actually emailed me and corrected me two days back. "No, not 'pickup'. Unless you're restoring a classic or something. It would be like you calling a large convertible a touring car. They exist, but they are very old. You say 'ute', 'tradie ute', and for some very large vehicles 'truck'. 'Pickup's' not been used since the 1960's."
To shorten his email to me, which elaborated in all kinds of ways, he gave the example of Chrysler Corporation's 1958 Australian catalogue as being one of the few instances where the term pickup is used. The Dodge Kingsway Ute was not listed amongst trucks. However, the DeSoto D100 (rebadged Dodge D100) is. In the description, it's referred to as a "pickup".
However, most of his brochures are Ford-related. The early 1960's F100 is explicitly called a "truck", but neither a "ute" nor a "pickup". In the latter half of the 1960's, specifically 1968, he does have a special order brochure that advertises the F100 as a "utility truck".
In 1965, he does find ONE very extensive use of the word "pickup": again in Ford's advertising of the F100. However, he notes that much of the advertisement is "identical to an advertisement I was able to find on the internet printed for American readers[...]Most of the material relates to radical changes in the design of the chassis from the prior model year and rewriting it makes little sense.[...]In the 1970's, we see a change over to 'utility' and that's surely shortened to 'ute'. The last clear difference I can see is the 1968 advertisement saying the F100 is a 'utility truck' while merely calling the Falcons etc. 'utes'"
I stand corrected!
Well I admit to being unfamilar with 1960s automative advertising. I should clarify that in our everyday speech we would use ute, regardless of what an advertising brochure called it..
My cousin speculates that it was dying out in the 1960's; the 1965 brochure he scanned and emailed me that was filled with references to an F100 "pickup" was aimed toward dealers, not customers. Likewise, the use of "utility truck" appears in a special order brochure (in the catalogue, it's just called the "Ford F100"). If you think about it, it's actually a bit odd how ambiguous it remained throughout the 1960's. The latest brochure aimed toward casual consumers to use the term "pickup" was the Chrysler brochure from 1958, so you could actually have to go back even father than the 1960's. Even then, the DeSoto D100 is listed under "DeSoto Trucks". DeSoto's Express-bodied D100's from prior years are likewise called "pickups", but then I decided to search the internet for 1950's Ford F100's in Australia. The two most common terms I found? "Truck" and "utility truck" (presumably to differentiate from the origin of "ute", which is a shortening of "coupe utility"). To find F100 "pickups" referred to as such, I had to go all the way back to the late 1940's and early 1950's. However, pre-WWII pickups are referred to as just that: pickups.
I hope Jag is reading this. Quite frankly, since Chrysler seems to have stuck with the term the longest, I'm wondering if it was only associated with THEIR trucks at the time. It did seem to have SOME effect. Google "DeSoto Ute" or "Dodge Ute" and practically all the ones that would be called pickups in the US made prior to about 1960 are referred to merely as "trucks", "work trucks", or "working trucks".
EDIT: Okay, I think I know why Chrysler was so insistent on using the term "pickup" or at the very least "truck". When they introduced their American-style pickups onto the Australian market (under THREE different brand names: Dodge, Fargo, and DeSoto), they had four different bed styles: Stepside, Sweptside, Deluxe Ute (had a sloping back to the cab), and Ute (no slope back on the cab, but the sides were very high and even with the cab). In other words, they seem to have used "pickup" avoid confusion between their different types of trucks. Otherwise, your situation at the Chrysler Australia dealership becomes a bit like Abbott and Costello's "Who's on First" routine.
Here's a '57 Fargo Deluxe Ute...
http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/moefuzzz/COOL%2520PICTURES/AUSSIE%2520UTES/DODGE%2520CHRYCO/57DodgeFargoUte2.jpg
Here's an earlier model Fargo with a Ute style bed...
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8316/7978744102_5739c2c2c8_z.jpg
Dodge-badged Sweptside bed (which I can't imagine lasted long, given its similarities to the Ute bed...)
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4012/4483415393_750df81632_z.jpg
This Fargo with a Stepside bed was made for the South African market, but swap out the license plates and you've got the Australian version. I have no idea why, but most of the Stepside bed versions just seem to be rusting to powder.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2473/3731781392_40956bb1e1.jpg