Just out of interest, I googled UH just to see what's been made in the past and found both the Citroen and Renault I mentioned before. Also an E-type, but unfortunately it's a drophead. Ironically I also came across the Renault 5 Turbo seen in 'Never say Never' so UH could definitely do that one!
So, - UH could supply from existing moulds:
YOLT Mini Moke
LD stock Aston Martin Vantage
DN Renault Dauphine
TB Citroen DS
VTAK Mini Mayfair
I'm no expert on UH but I assume there are other existing moulds that could be used too. On a connected note, I presume the up-coming Lincoln is a new UH mould? And also the Defender Double Cab? So wouldn't that suggest UH are now doing a bit more than supplying 're-paints'?
Actually, considering one of the very few things Fabbri and subsequently Eaglemoss have been very open about is "EON only", I would say no.
On a connected note, I presume the up-coming Lincoln is a new UH mould? And also the Defender Double Cab? So wouldn't that suggest UH are now doing a bit more than supplying 're-paints'?
I should have clarified. They can work from moulds they already have. If you look closely at the Lincoln, for example, it's the same thing as the earlier GF Lincoln Continental (replete with being the wrong color!) except with a trunk that's been moulded in place and the roof cut off (with an unfortunately very-poor windshield stuck on). With the Defender 110 Double Cab, I would assume they would make it off one of the two previously-existing Defender 110's by just cutting down the rear of the car and forming a cargo bed (unless Ixo actually did make Silva's Disco 4).
The Renault Dauphine would be a poor choice. It was an early UH mould and very crude (no seperate wiper blades and plenty of missing details) compared to, say, the Citroen DS (which actually would make a good car, as UH did do a very good job on their DS series). I've never particularly liked UH's Mini mould, either, as the roof is too high. The Mini Moke and Vantage would be great additions, though (as well as the DS; there's a reason I collected this series and found it overall VERY well-executed). Another mould they could re-use since it plays a decent-sized role would be the Daimler Limousine from CR as M's limo from TND. It was well-modeled enough, certainly. I just really, really doubt if we'll see any of these, unfortunately.
With the Defender 110 Double Cab, I would assume they would make it off one of the two previously-existing Defender 110's by just cutting down the rear of the car and forming a cargo bed (unless Ixo actually did make Silva's Disco 4).
I believe we will see the Discovery 4. Simply because the list on jamesbondautos.de clearly says "Land Rover Discovery 4 - Skyfall".
"Driven by Eve in Istanbul" is not from this list, an addition someone made on Wikipedia; my guess is that somebody saw the Defender pictures and confused the Land Rovers. And since we have not seen the model yet it can't be from UH ...
Milk float and Louisiana Bel Air are very nice models. Wish the milk float would have a figure but the Bel Air is fine even without one.
And did anyone see this packaging before? Wonder if they are re-releasing the complete series?
On a connected note, I presume the up-coming Lincoln is a new UH mould? And also the Defender Double Cab? So wouldn't that suggest UH are now doing a bit more than supplying 're-paints'?
I should have clarified. They can work from moulds they already have. If you look closely at the Lincoln, for example, it's the same thing as the earlier GF Lincoln Continental (replete with being the wrong color!) except with a trunk that's been moulded in place and the roof cut off (with an unfortunately very-poor windshield stuck on). With the Defender 110 Double Cab, I would assume they would make it off one of the two previously-existing Defender 110's by just cutting down the rear of the car and forming a cargo bed (unless Ixo actually did make Silva's Disco 4).
The Defender would need a corrected bonnet as well as a revised back end and interior, but there's also a question of whether the model will be extensively 'battle damaged' as per the movie. Much as I like Discos, I'd be disappointed if we don't get the Double Cab, it was so important in SF.
The Renault Dauphine would be a poor choice. It was an early UH mould and very crude (no seperate wiper blades and plenty of missing details) compared to, say, the Citroen DS (which actually would make a good car, as UH did do a very good job on their DS series). I've never particularly liked UH's Mini mould, either, as the roof is too high. The Mini Moke and Vantage would be great additions, though (as well as the DS; there's a reason I collected this series and found it overall VERY well-executed). I just really, really doubt if we'll see them, unfortunately.
Me too if I'm honest. I think you're right, someone really screwed up and I suspect 135 could well be the last unless there's a last minute reprieve. HOWEVER, it's interesting to put yourself in their shoes as we imagine them to be and speculate on the possibilities of salvaging the JBCC. If you accept that 5 existing UH moulds could be used, what other car possibilities are there? - did UH do a US Jeep or any light trucks seen in Bond movies?
Agree on uh dauphine. Not their finest hour. Solido much better. Just got minor and ranch wagon. Minor is really rather a neat model with bonnet side strip neatly modelled it is better than corgi too. Ixo quality control issues on wagon -drooping bumper and uneven gunsights. Will need to address this and after that it will be a very good model.
And did anyone see this packaging before? Wonder if they are re-releasing the complete series?
That's interesting - was it on eBay? It looks like the sort of packaging used to sell model cars in shops rather than by direct mail. Could it be for the USA?
A German seller on Ebay. It's the first (and only one on Ebay) I've seen. I though the same: The packaging looks more designed for shop display than a partwork. The standard German release had the normal blisterpack.
A German seller on Ebay. It's the first (and only one on Ebay) I've seen. I though the same: The packaging looks more designed for shop display than a partwork. The standard German release had the normal blisterpack.
Very interesting. Perhaps this...that is, re-releasing and selling all at once selected individual issues made by Universal Hobbies...is how Eaglemoss plans on distributing and making its money following 135?
It's certainly been done many times before - partwork mags often become books and partwork kits are sold as ready made models by the manufacturers (I wouldn't be surprised to see the 1:8 DB5 being sold as a built-up model before long) so it could be part of a selected range to be available in shops/stores in the US/Canada maybe.
That would buy them time to eventually add to the range if they want to. It probably just means people in the UK will have to buy any add-ons from the US via eBay or traders. That's karma for you.
And did anyone see this packaging before? Wonder if they are re-releasing the complete series?
That's interesting - was it on eBay? It looks like the sort of packaging used to sell model cars in shops rather than by direct mail. Could it be for the USA?
Is this the same scale as the current collection??? either its slightly larger, the mag is smaller or ive just got crap eyesight?
And did anyone see this packaging before? Wonder if they are re-releasing the complete series?
That's interesting - was it on eBay? It looks like the sort of packaging used to sell model cars in shops rather than by direct mail. Could it be for the USA?
Is this the same scale as the current collection??? either its slightly larger, the mag is smaller or ive just got crap eyesight?
Looks to me that the mag in the pic is smaller than the ones we're used to - which also suggests a new style of product 'deliivery' if the JBCC is being re-launched.
This is not funny anymore I am still waiting for issue 121 . I received 130 and 131 last week. I should have received nearly five months ago !
Usually if you call Database and complain (politely) about a delivery wait over 4 weeks, they will send you another copy of the issue by a faster service. I'd keep on ringing daily until someone there sorts it out for you.
It could be that the model & mag has actually been sent out and lost by Postman Pat or even left on the door and subsequently nicked, but it's still Database's responsibility to get the item to you.
Is this the same scale as the current collection??? either its slightly larger, the mag is smaller or ive just got crap eyesight?
The car and diorama is the same. They just reduced the size of the magazine, presumably to make for easier shelf space since I would imagine these would be sold at retail outlets.
Is this the same scale as the current collection??? either its slightly larger, the mag is smaller or ive just got crap eyesight?
The car and diorama is the same. They just reduced the size of the magazine, presumably to make for easier shelf space since I would imagine these would be sold at retail outlets.
The magazine, or 'printed material' looks like it might be A5 size (a literal half the size of the JBCC A4 sized magazine). So it might actually be an A3 or A2 size poster folded down to A5, possibly with some of the original magazine info printed on one side and an image of the car on the other. If I'm right, the model and folded poster could potentially fit on a large blister pack display card, rather like many 6" modern action figures do.
Is this the same scale as the current collection??? either its slightly larger, the mag is smaller or ive just got crap eyesight?
The car and diorama is the same. They just reduced the size of the magazine, presumably to make for easier shelf space since I would imagine these would be sold at retail outlets.
The magazine, or 'printed material' looks like it might be A5 size (a literal half the size of the JBCC A4 sized magazine). So it might actually be an A3 or A2 size poster folded down to A5, possibly with some of the original magazine info printed on one side and an image of the car on the other. If I'm right, the model and folded poster could potentially fit on a large blister pack display card, rather like many 6" modern action figures do.
......Or I could be completely wrong!
Hallo! I'm from Italy and I collect these cars since number one. First of all sorry about my English. Hope You could understand what I will say.
Regarding this models, I just contacted the seller, that told me that this is part of ATLAS-VERLAG models serie. He did not say anything else....
This models was taken from JBCC, and the magazine is just a thecnical folder of the model. This is in my opinion of course....
Anyway, I looked on the Atlas site (the German one), but I found no trace of it.
The outer card extra packaging looks very similar to the pic RainierW posted, especially with the logo placed mid-way on top, and the size of the magazine/leaflet is about the same as well. So it suggests that however Atlas-Verlag items are sold or distributed, these new Bond cars will be too.
Hello Vic! Atlas-Verlag is a German subsidiary of DeAgostini (it goes by other names...in France, it's Atlas Editions, for example), which is pretty interesting. DeAgostini and Eaglemoss aren't quite rivals (they co-own Altaya, for example), but they are different companies. Perhaps Eaglemoss figures on making a killing financially by selling the partwork to DeAgostini?
And that IFA F8 Cabrio from Atlas DDR Auto-Kollektion looks awfully familiar... ) The brochure is a four-page fold-out designed to go into a binder. I also subscribe to Atlas DDR Nutzfahrzeuge (trucks), which uses the same type brochures but radically different packaging (ironic since both Atlas DDR collections are made by Ixo).
Hello Vic! Atlas-Verlag is a German subsidiary of DeAgostini (it goes by other names...in France, it's Atlas Editions, for example), which is pretty interesting. DeAgostini and Eaglemoss aren't quite rivals (they co-own Altaya, for example), but they are different companies. Perhaps Eaglemoss figures on making a killing financially by selling the partwork to DeAgostini?
And that IFA F8 Cabrio from Atlas DDR Auto-Kollektion looks awfully familiar... ) The brochure is a four-page fold-out designed to go into a binder. I also subscribe to Atlas DDR Nutzfahrzeuge (trucks), which uses the same type brochures but radically different packaging (ironic since both Atlas DDR collections are made by Ixo).
Going by what you know of Atlas-Verlag, do you reckon they will be re-issuing all of the JBCC or just a few of them i.e. 10-20 of the most famous cars?
Going by what you know of Atlas-Verlag, do you reckon they will be re-issuing all of the JBCC or just a few of them i.e. 10-20 of the most famous cars?
I honestly don't know. However, I can tell you that most of their partworks only feature one model per thirty days. Even Atlas DDR Auto-Kollektion is a one-per-month deal. I would imagine release might be slow at first.
Going by what you know of Atlas-Verlag, do you reckon they will be re-issuing all of the JBCC or just a few of them i.e. 10-20 of the most famous cars?
I honestly don't know. However, I can tell you that most of their partworks only feature one model per thirty days. Even Atlas DDR Auto-Kollektion is a one-per-month deal. I would imagine release might be slow at first.
It's probably going to be a select few, then. All 135 Bond cars would take about 11 years at one a month I wonder if Eaglemoss have simply got huge unsold stocks of the earlier numbers or if they are commissioning fresh supplies from UH.....?
Going by what you know of Atlas-Verlag, do you reckon they will be re-issuing all of the JBCC or just a few of them i.e. 10-20 of the most famous cars?
I honestly don't know. However, I can tell you that most of their partworks only feature one model per thirty days. Even Atlas DDR Auto-Kollektion is a one-per-month deal. I would imagine release might be slow at first.
It's probably going to be a select few, then. All 135 Bond cars would take about 11 years at one a month I wonder if Eaglemoss have simply got huge unsold stocks of the earlier numbers or if they are commissioning fresh supplies from UH.....?
I think this is also a clue that the current part work will continue beyond 135 with UH supplying the cars. Even reworked current stock would do and be cost efficient.
I do think if it is to cease at 135 or at a point beyond 135 that it would be courtesy of eaglemoss to inform the subscribers officially by letter or by email. Issue 135 is muted to be the moonraker roller, not really the big finish we are expecting or worthy of the collection. Yes, I am back on my soap box.
If any of Eaglemoss are reading this please let us the subscribers know??
I wonder if Eaglemoss have simply got huge unsold stocks of the earlier numbers
Yep. They produced TONS of them. When countries started backing out of deals, they were left with tons and tons and tons of extras; certainly enough to fill a completely new partwork. Also, for all I know, Atlas-Verlag *might* issue them at a much faster rate than one per month. They have no set rule in place saying they can only do one a month and I know Atlas Editions in France used to sell 2-3 cars per month in the French Cars partwork (then they slowed down a bit to the Bond car collection schedule when they did the Simca "Best Years" partwork).
I think this is also a clue that the current part work will continue beyond 135 with UH supplying the cars.
Honestly, if they're even partially selling the rights to the partwork, that means it's most likely done and they're trying to recoup any losses. I'm telling you, when Ixo walked away, they did not see it coming.
Just spoken to Database Warehouse to get a replacement ranch wagon and they are still briefed to say collection ends at 135.
As far as Atlas are concerned they are very fond of releasing trial series and simply closing them if take up is not good enough. In UK they do not allow any back orders or ordering of a single item - you collect the series until you stop and once stopped you can't have anymore from that series without re-subscribing. They typically supply some fold out poster type items with the first parts they offer at low cost and then they ramp up cost to about twice what JBCC sells at. They provide no info on what will be in series beyond say first 6 editions and as has been said elsewhere typically aim at 1 model a month. Looks like a way of turning over some back stock at inflated prices to me.... And if so it shows that JBCC is finishing soon
Issue 135 is muted to be the moonraker roller, not really the big finish we are expecting or worthy of the collection.
One can only assume if the series does end at 135, that is definitely NOT what Eaglemoss intended, simply because the MR Roller is so mundane. Or at least I would hope that was the case. It would have made far more sense to end on the two Skyfall models, especially the DB5 (begin with a DB5, end with a DB5) than a bit of filler if they had actually planned the ending. Luckily for Bond collectors, the individual models aren't actually physically numbered like the mags (which most people seem to be ignoring) so it shouldn't matter too much how it ends. I spent an afternoon last weekend getting my entire collection out of various storage boxes and putting them together in groups relative to each movie. The overall effect is both impressive and interesting, especially when you see the disparity in numbers per movie. Dalko noted this when he did a list of cars per movie, but it's surprising to actually see it 'in the flesh' as it were. There was certainly a MUCH bigger group for Goldfinger compared to the others (!) And talking of Goldfinger, IMHO I think we'll just have to take the Dodge Laser Cannon Ambulance as being the 'end of series special' - very Bond and very car/military-centric, very big, very impressive.
Just spoken to Database Warehouse to get a replacement ranch wagon and they are still briefed to say collection ends at 135.
As far as Atlas are concerned they are very fond of releasing trial series and simply closing them if take up is not good enough. In UK they do not allow any back orders or ordering of a single item - you collect the series until you stop and once stopped you can't have anymore from that series without re-subscribing. They typically supply some fold out poster type items with the first parts they offer at low cost and then they ramp up cost to about twice what JBCC sells at. They provide no info on what will be in series beyond say first 6 editions and as has been said elsewhere typically aim at 1 model a month. Looks like a way of turning over some back stock at inflated prices to me.... And if so it shows that JBCC is finishing soon
Yes I agree but if it is ending why have we not been told officially. Yes database are saying 135 but they also said 110, 90, 70 and 40 and look where we are now. We have also had letters before .
135 issues x 7.99 = £1078.65 of my money and six years of my life i have invested in this collection warrants and official letter even a simple thank you for my custom and ongoing support.
OK so IXO have walked then that deserves and explanation, therefore my collection will not be complete . Eaglemoss should be addressing this
I have now seen the advertising folder for the DB5 from Atlas-Verlag that was inserted in German model magazines a few months ago. It's just for this one model, no mention of a collection or other models that may follow. Ordering this model is not a subscription for the collection.
The fact sheet included with the model and shown in the photo is 6-sided with the measurements stated 35x23.5 cm open. Ah, yes, it's printed on "precious high-gloss cardboard". Can't be that precious as the DB5 was sold for € 3.90 including shipping! Compared to € 4.95 for the first DB5 without shipping. (The one from the auction where my photo is from sold for € 5.50.)
The folder shows the logos of Editions Atlas Collections, Atlas-Verlag and Eaglemoss Collections, and the copyright also says 2012 Eaglemoss Ltd. and not Atlas.
I agree with what MCF suspected: Surplus stock getting sold off, and after repackaging and printing new folders without much of a profit. I can imagine that we will see other cars eventually but as stand-alone issues these would have to be limited to the famous Bond cars like the Esprit and would exclude the more obscure later issues.
Selling off the first issue does not necessarily mean that the JBCC will end at 135. What's sure is that the JBCC won't be launched in any other countries now. But I see no direct connection why it could not extend beyond 135. That said, I do think that 135 is the last issue but would be glad to be surprised once more.
In UK they do not allow any back orders or ordering of a single item - you collect the series until you stop and once stopped you can't have anymore from that series without re-subscribing.
Yep, that's Atlas for you! If you subscribe, you subscribe...you get one example and that's it. If it has a flaw, you practically have to fight them to get a replacement.
The folder shows the logos of Editions Atlas Collections, Atlas-Verlag and Eaglemoss Collections, and the copyright also says 2012 Eaglemoss Ltd. and not Atlas.
THIS is very interesting. If DeAgostini is willing to let Eaglemoss use the Atlas name (they are the sole owner; it's not a co-holding like Altaya), I wonder where that leads, if anywhere? But yes, Maz is right, this definitely sounds like a test issue.
without much of a profit.
This is one thing we don't know, unfortunately. Without posting the scenarios in which they would be outright losing money or making an unrealistically large sum of money, they could in theory be turning quite a profit. Remember, several different things could be happening...
1) Eaglemoss is using surplus stock (neither adds nor detracts), paying DeAgostini to use the Atlas name (detracts from profits in this individual partwork, though not over the long term), and is paying to have the printing done up (detracts from profits). This scenario relies on sales and long-term profits from the use of the Atlas name.
2) Eaglemoss is using surplus stock (neither adds nor detracts), paying DeAgostini to use the Atlas name (detracts from profits in this individual partwork, though not over the long term), and Atlas the subsidiary of DeAgostini, as part of the deal, prints up all the material (adds to profit). This isn't an uncommon arrangement, either. If we look at Altaya's Brazilian cars series, it's fairly obvious DeAgostini is doing most of the legwork (the only bit Eaglemoss seems to be doing is the physical printing of the magazines, not even the content is Eaglemoss). Yet, since they're part owner of the company, Eaglemoss regardless profits. But returning from my digression...
3) Eaglemoss is using surplus stock (neither adds nor detracts), DeAgostini is paying THEM to use the Atlas name (BIG profits in the short term and for this particular partwork, although not so big in the long term; this way, DeAgostini can control the Atlas brandname, and Eaglemoss can't really do much other than be a minority owner, much like with Altaya), but Eaglemoss is actually printing up the paper material (detracts from profit). Given the Eaglemoss trademark on the pilot test issue, this, to me, is the most likely arrangement unless Eaglemoss have their eyes set down the road at something very specific.
4) Eaglemoss is using surplus stock (neither adds nor detracts), DeAgostini is paying THEM to use the Atlas name (BIG profits in the short term and for this particular partwork, although not so big in the long term; this way, DeAgostini can control the Atlas brandname, and Eaglemoss can't really do much other than be a minority owner, much like with Altaya), and Atlas is printing up the paper material, too (again, very large profits since you're not really doing anything except supllying 1) your name and 2) stock surplus cars). This is a possibility, but unless DeAgostini has its sights set on the JBCC (which it could very well have; no other partwork maker has better relations with Ixo and quite frankly, you probably could re-start the partwork in this manner), I doubt it.
Yes I agree but if it is ending why have we not been told officially.
Look at it from the other side: we WERE officially told the collection was ending at 110. If you're doing PR work for Eaglemoss, are you going to keep people hanging so there's more talk generated about the collection, or are you going to say "okay, it's done" when you still have eight weeks to get out extra sales?
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So, - UH could supply from existing moulds:
YOLT Mini Moke
LD stock Aston Martin Vantage
DN Renault Dauphine
TB Citroen DS
VTAK Mini Mayfair
I'm no expert on UH but I assume there are other existing moulds that could be used too. On a connected note, I presume the up-coming Lincoln is a new UH mould? And also the Defender Double Cab? So wouldn't that suggest UH are now doing a bit more than supplying 're-paints'?
Actually, considering one of the very few things Fabbri and subsequently Eaglemoss have been very open about is "EON only", I would say no.
I should have clarified. They can work from moulds they already have. If you look closely at the Lincoln, for example, it's the same thing as the earlier GF Lincoln Continental (replete with being the wrong color!) except with a trunk that's been moulded in place and the roof cut off (with an unfortunately very-poor windshield stuck on). With the Defender 110 Double Cab, I would assume they would make it off one of the two previously-existing Defender 110's by just cutting down the rear of the car and forming a cargo bed (unless Ixo actually did make Silva's Disco 4).
The Renault Dauphine would be a poor choice. It was an early UH mould and very crude (no seperate wiper blades and plenty of missing details) compared to, say, the Citroen DS (which actually would make a good car, as UH did do a very good job on their DS series). I've never particularly liked UH's Mini mould, either, as the roof is too high. The Mini Moke and Vantage would be great additions, though (as well as the DS; there's a reason I collected this series and found it overall VERY well-executed). Another mould they could re-use since it plays a decent-sized role would be the Daimler Limousine from CR as M's limo from TND. It was well-modeled enough, certainly. I just really, really doubt if we'll see any of these, unfortunately.
"Driven by Eve in Istanbul" is not from this list, an addition someone made on Wikipedia; my guess is that somebody saw the Defender pictures and confused the Land Rovers. And since we have not seen the model yet it can't be from UH ...
Milk float and Louisiana Bel Air are very nice models. Wish the milk float would have a figure but the Bel Air is fine even without one.
And did anyone see this packaging before? Wonder if they are re-releasing the complete series?
I know
The Defender would need a corrected bonnet as well as a revised back end and interior, but there's also a question of whether the model will be extensively 'battle damaged' as per the movie. Much as I like Discos, I'd be disappointed if we don't get the Double Cab, it was so important in SF.
Me too if I'm honest. I think you're right, someone really screwed up and I suspect 135 could well be the last unless there's a last minute reprieve. HOWEVER, it's interesting to put yourself in their shoes as we imagine them to be and speculate on the possibilities of salvaging the JBCC. If you accept that 5 existing UH moulds could be used, what other car possibilities are there? - did UH do a US Jeep or any light trucks seen in Bond movies?
That's interesting - was it on eBay? It looks like the sort of packaging used to sell model cars in shops rather than by direct mail. Could it be for the USA?
Very interesting. Perhaps this...that is, re-releasing and selling all at once selected individual issues made by Universal Hobbies...is how Eaglemoss plans on distributing and making its money following 135?
That would buy them time to eventually add to the range if they want to. It probably just means people in the UK will have to buy any add-ons from the US via eBay or traders. That's karma for you.
Looks to me that the mag in the pic is smaller than the ones we're used to - which also suggests a new style of product 'deliivery' if the JBCC is being re-launched.
Usually if you call Database and complain (politely) about a delivery wait over 4 weeks, they will send you another copy of the issue by a faster service. I'd keep on ringing daily until someone there sorts it out for you.
It could be that the model & mag has actually been sent out and lost by Postman Pat or even left on the door and subsequently nicked, but it's still Database's responsibility to get the item to you.
The car and diorama is the same. They just reduced the size of the magazine, presumably to make for easier shelf space since I would imagine these would be sold at retail outlets.
The magazine, or 'printed material' looks like it might be A5 size (a literal half the size of the JBCC A4 sized magazine). So it might actually be an A3 or A2 size poster folded down to A5, possibly with some of the original magazine info printed on one side and an image of the car on the other. If I'm right, the model and folded poster could potentially fit on a large blister pack display card, rather like many 6" modern action figures do.
......Or I could be completely wrong!
Hallo! I'm from Italy and I collect these cars since number one. First of all sorry about my English. Hope You could understand what I will say.
Regarding this models, I just contacted the seller, that told me that this is part of ATLAS-VERLAG models serie. He did not say anything else....
This models was taken from JBCC, and the magazine is just a thecnical folder of the model. This is in my opinion of course....
Anyway, I looked on the Atlas site (the German one), but I found no trace of it.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Atlas-Verlag-1-43-DDR-IFA-DKW-F8-Luxus-Cabriolet-Datenblatt-NEU-OVP-/150956036511?pt=Spielzeugautos&hash=item2325ae519f
The outer card extra packaging looks very similar to the pic RainierW posted, especially with the logo placed mid-way on top, and the size of the magazine/leaflet is about the same as well. So it suggests that however Atlas-Verlag items are sold or distributed, these new Bond cars will be too.
And that IFA F8 Cabrio from Atlas DDR Auto-Kollektion looks awfully familiar...
Going by what you know of Atlas-Verlag, do you reckon they will be re-issuing all of the JBCC or just a few of them i.e. 10-20 of the most famous cars?
I honestly don't know. However, I can tell you that most of their partworks only feature one model per thirty days. Even Atlas DDR Auto-Kollektion is a one-per-month deal. I would imagine release might be slow at first.
It's probably going to be a select few, then. All 135 Bond cars would take about 11 years at one a month
I think this is also a clue that the current part work will continue beyond 135 with UH supplying the cars. Even reworked current stock would do and be cost efficient.
I do think if it is to cease at 135 or at a point beyond 135 that it would be courtesy of eaglemoss to inform the subscribers officially by letter or by email. Issue 135 is muted to be the moonraker roller, not really the big finish we are expecting or worthy of the collection. Yes, I am back on my soap box.
If any of Eaglemoss are reading this please let us the subscribers know??
Yep. They produced TONS of them. When countries started backing out of deals, they were left with tons and tons and tons of extras; certainly enough to fill a completely new partwork. Also, for all I know, Atlas-Verlag *might* issue them at a much faster rate than one per month. They have no set rule in place saying they can only do one a month and I know Atlas Editions in France used to sell 2-3 cars per month in the French Cars partwork (then they slowed down a bit to the Bond car collection schedule when they did the Simca "Best Years" partwork).
Honestly, if they're even partially selling the rights to the partwork, that means it's most likely done and they're trying to recoup any losses. I'm telling you, when Ixo walked away, they did not see it coming.
As far as Atlas are concerned they are very fond of releasing trial series and simply closing them if take up is not good enough. In UK they do not allow any back orders or ordering of a single item - you collect the series until you stop and once stopped you can't have anymore from that series without re-subscribing. They typically supply some fold out poster type items with the first parts they offer at low cost and then they ramp up cost to about twice what JBCC sells at. They provide no info on what will be in series beyond say first 6 editions and as has been said elsewhere typically aim at 1 model a month. Looks like a way of turning over some back stock at inflated prices to me.... And if so it shows that JBCC is finishing soon
One can only assume if the series does end at 135, that is definitely NOT what Eaglemoss intended, simply because the MR Roller is so mundane. Or at least I would hope that was the case. It would have made far more sense to end on the two Skyfall models, especially the DB5 (begin with a DB5, end with a DB5) than a bit of filler if they had actually planned the ending. Luckily for Bond collectors, the individual models aren't actually physically numbered like the mags (which most people seem to be ignoring) so it shouldn't matter too much how it ends. I spent an afternoon last weekend getting my entire collection out of various storage boxes and putting them together in groups relative to each movie. The overall effect is both impressive and interesting, especially when you see the disparity in numbers per movie. Dalko noted this when he did a list of cars per movie, but it's surprising to actually see it 'in the flesh' as it were. There was certainly a MUCH bigger group for Goldfinger compared to the others (!) And talking of Goldfinger, IMHO I think we'll just have to take the Dodge Laser Cannon Ambulance as being the 'end of series special' - very Bond and very car/military-centric, very big, very impressive.
Yes I agree but if it is ending why have we not been told officially. Yes database are saying 135 but they also said 110, 90, 70 and 40 and look where we are now. We have also had letters before .
135 issues x 7.99 = £1078.65 of my money and six years of my life i have invested in this collection warrants and official letter even a simple thank you for my custom and ongoing support.
OK so IXO have walked then that deserves and explanation, therefore my collection will not be complete . Eaglemoss should be addressing this
The fact sheet included with the model and shown in the photo is 6-sided with the measurements stated 35x23.5 cm open. Ah, yes, it's printed on "precious high-gloss cardboard". Can't be that precious as the DB5 was sold for € 3.90 including shipping! Compared to € 4.95 for the first DB5 without shipping. (The one from the auction where my photo is from sold for € 5.50.)
The folder shows the logos of Editions Atlas Collections, Atlas-Verlag and Eaglemoss Collections, and the copyright also says 2012 Eaglemoss Ltd. and not Atlas.
I agree with what MCF suspected: Surplus stock getting sold off, and after repackaging and printing new folders without much of a profit. I can imagine that we will see other cars eventually but as stand-alone issues these would have to be limited to the famous Bond cars like the Esprit and would exclude the more obscure later issues.
Selling off the first issue does not necessarily mean that the JBCC will end at 135. What's sure is that the JBCC won't be launched in any other countries now. But I see no direct connection why it could not extend beyond 135. That said, I do think that 135 is the last issue but would be glad to be surprised once more.
Yep, that's Atlas for you! If you subscribe, you subscribe...you get one example and that's it. If it has a flaw, you practically have to fight them to get a replacement.
THIS is very interesting. If DeAgostini is willing to let Eaglemoss use the Atlas name (they are the sole owner; it's not a co-holding like Altaya), I wonder where that leads, if anywhere? But yes, Maz is right, this definitely sounds like a test issue.
This is one thing we don't know, unfortunately. Without posting the scenarios in which they would be outright losing money or making an unrealistically large sum of money, they could in theory be turning quite a profit. Remember, several different things could be happening...
1) Eaglemoss is using surplus stock (neither adds nor detracts), paying DeAgostini to use the Atlas name (detracts from profits in this individual partwork, though not over the long term), and is paying to have the printing done up (detracts from profits). This scenario relies on sales and long-term profits from the use of the Atlas name.
2) Eaglemoss is using surplus stock (neither adds nor detracts), paying DeAgostini to use the Atlas name (detracts from profits in this individual partwork, though not over the long term), and Atlas the subsidiary of DeAgostini, as part of the deal, prints up all the material (adds to profit). This isn't an uncommon arrangement, either. If we look at Altaya's Brazilian cars series, it's fairly obvious DeAgostini is doing most of the legwork (the only bit Eaglemoss seems to be doing is the physical printing of the magazines, not even the content is Eaglemoss). Yet, since they're part owner of the company, Eaglemoss regardless profits. But returning from my digression...
3) Eaglemoss is using surplus stock (neither adds nor detracts), DeAgostini is paying THEM to use the Atlas name (BIG profits in the short term and for this particular partwork, although not so big in the long term; this way, DeAgostini can control the Atlas brandname, and Eaglemoss can't really do much other than be a minority owner, much like with Altaya), but Eaglemoss is actually printing up the paper material (detracts from profit). Given the Eaglemoss trademark on the pilot test issue, this, to me, is the most likely arrangement unless Eaglemoss have their eyes set down the road at something very specific.
4) Eaglemoss is using surplus stock (neither adds nor detracts), DeAgostini is paying THEM to use the Atlas name (BIG profits in the short term and for this particular partwork, although not so big in the long term; this way, DeAgostini can control the Atlas brandname, and Eaglemoss can't really do much other than be a minority owner, much like with Altaya), and Atlas is printing up the paper material, too (again, very large profits since you're not really doing anything except supllying 1) your name and 2) stock surplus cars). This is a possibility, but unless DeAgostini has its sights set on the JBCC (which it could very well have; no other partwork maker has better relations with Ixo and quite frankly, you probably could re-start the partwork in this manner), I doubt it.
Look at it from the other side: we WERE officially told the collection was ending at 110. If you're doing PR work for Eaglemoss, are you going to keep people hanging so there's more talk generated about the collection, or are you going to say "okay, it's done" when you still have eight weeks to get out extra sales?