James Bond Car Collection - Questions and praise

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  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    edited January 2013
    om99 wrote:
    om99 wrote:
    Wow just been catching up on everything! I haven't been on here in 10 months! 70 pages ago! anyway, a quick question.. I received issue #134 - RR Silver Shadow I. Now, 2 issues normally come each month. But this time I have only one? Is there a reason for this? or a mess up somewhere? Has this Collection ended? Many thanks, om99

    Yep. All over now - Eaglemoss don't want our money any more. Unless of course you'd like to buy several hundred pounds worth of comic book Batmobiles from them........ ;)

    Well thanks for your help, be a shame to such a good hobby and collection! And hmm, will have to take a look into that one! Anyway, thanks again

    You're welcome! It is sad to see it end but it would be strange for any enterprising business not to re-launch the JBCC (and maybe add to it) whilst there is money to made from it. It's pretty clear after 50 years of uninterrupted interest in James Bond that there will be a whole new bunch of people wanting to buy the JBCC series before too long. Now it's sort of 'obsolete', many traders are raising their prices. I was at a fair yesterday and found hardly any JBCC cars available at all, and those I did find were either trashed or for sale at silly prices - £10 for a 'Blunderbird' without a magazine would you believe. "Ooh, they've stopped making these Bond cars now, mate. It's very rare, that one you're looking at."
  • ArymoreArymore Posts: 27MI6 Agent
    Well thats that then. 134 cars and only the 3 freebies for the subscribers. Damn shame. Unbelievable that the plug got pulled at such a weird number but there you go. The allure of Batman and the 'huge' fanbase must have swamped the couple of James Bond enthusiasts. :)) ...........oh please.... bat man??? REALLY????
    Anyway, where can i get a back copy of issue 127, the goldfinger laser ambulance? On the web sites they dont appear to go up that far. I only want the box for the tank! thats the only one out of place getting dusty.

    I havent contributed much here over the years, but ive read all the posts. Its been fantastic to be part of a forum of such dedicated and true fans. Thanks for being here.
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    Arymore wrote:
    Well thats that then. 134 cars and only the 3 freebies for the subscribers. Damn shame. Unbelievable that the plug got pulled at such a weird number but there you go. The allure of Batman and the 'huge' fanbase must have swamped the couple of James Bond enthusiasts. :)) ...........oh please.... bat man??? REALLY????
    Anyway, where can i get a back copy of issue 127, the goldfinger laser ambulance? On the web sites they dont appear to go up that far. I only want the box for the tank! thats the only one out of place getting dusty.

    I havent contributed much here over the years, but ive read all the posts. Its been fantastic to be part of a forum of such dedicated and true fans. Thanks for being here.

    Call the James Bond Car Collection direct on 0871 277 0192, they will send you a Laser Ambulance for £7.99 (plus 50p postage depending on what mood the operator is in). If you only want the box, you'll probably be able to sell the ambulance on eBay for £5 or so - just be careful taking it off the base, it has some very delicate fittings on it (!)
  • Diecast007Diecast007 Posts: 576MI6 Agent
    134 just landed here are the photos
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    That's all folks !
  • om99om99 Derbyshire UKPosts: 43MI6 Agent
    om99 wrote:

    Yep. All over now - Eaglemoss don't want our money any more. Unless of course you'd like to buy several hundred pounds worth of comic book Batmobiles from them........ ;)

    Well thanks for your help, be a shame to such a good hobby and collection! And hmm, will have to take a look into that one! Anyway, thanks again

    You're welcome! It is sad to see it end but it would be strange for any enterprising business not to re-launch the JBCC (and maybe add to it) whilst there is money to made from it. It's pretty clear after 50 years of uninterrupted interest in James Bond that there will be a whole new bunch of people wanting to buy the JBCC series before too long. Now it's sort of 'obsolete', many traders are raising their prices. I was at a fair yesterday and found hardly any JBCC cars available at all, and those I did find were either trashed or for sale at silly prices - £10 for a 'Blunderbird' without a magazine would you believe. "Ooh, they've stopped making these Bond cars now, mate. It's very rare, that one you're looking at."

    Yeah i know what your saying, there is clearly money to be made, and who knows, when the next movie comes out we could have a email, a new series just for that film or something like that. I will be saving these for my children and who knows they maybe worth something in time to come :)
  • Diecast007Diecast007 Posts: 576MI6 Agent
    om99 wrote:
    om99 wrote:

    Well thanks for your help, be a shame to such a good hobby and collection! And hmm, will have to take a look into that one! Anyway, thanks again

    You're welcome! It is sad to see it end but it would be strange for any enterprising business not to re-launch the JBCC (and maybe add to it) whilst there is money to made from it. It's pretty clear after 50 years of uninterrupted interest in James Bond that there will be a whole new bunch of people wanting to buy the JBCC series before too long. Now it's sort of 'obsolete', many traders are raising their prices. I was at a fair yesterday and found hardly any JBCC cars available at all, and those I did find were either trashed or for sale at silly prices - £10 for a 'Blunderbird' without a magazine would you believe. "Ooh, they've stopped making these Bond cars now, mate. It's very rare, that one you're looking at."

    Yeah i know what your saying, there is clearly money to be made, and who knows, when the next movie comes out we could have a email, a new series just for that film or something like that. I will be saving these for my children and who knows they maybe worth something in time to come :)

    Eaglemoss have made a big error of judgement. This collection was/is the definitive collection of Bond/Bond automobilia, albeit now very much incomplete with a number of noteable omissions. They have chosen to go with a new part work based as we know Batman. I would guess in the UK they will be lucky if they achieve half the subscribers they did with bond. The Bond collection had re-newed momentum with exciting additions, the return of figures and other vehicles. To stop at 134 seems odd and to finish on a non bond car is even odder. It needed a finish worthy of the collection. I am sure we all can suggest better options than we received.

    On the bright side I cant complain I gained 94 models more than the 40 I expected. Its been a pleasure, yes there have been the blundebirds, the Audi/oddies and others to name a few but at £7.99 per issue its been a bargain . I have cars now i would never have bought outwith the collection. Its an impressive collection whether you have 1 -134 or have cherry picked your favourites. There is room for code 3's to extend beyond 134 as i have started already. I hope this forum continues on now until Eaglemoss or somebody maybe announces the JBCC 2 .
  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    "Ooh, they've stopped making these Bond cars now, mate. It's very rare, that one you're looking at."

    You've not lived until you've dealt with people who sell Soviet-made Radon models and have no idea what they are. There ARE a few genuinely rare and desirable ones (any of the Olympics-related and commemorative cars go into the hundreds of dollars, ditto the pre-1975 models and a few oddball variants), but more often than not you get somebody who hasn't seen one before, sees "USSR" or "CCCP" on the bottom, and therefore assumes it to be ultra-rare and prices it through the stratosphere.
    By the way, are you gonna eat that?
  • Canuck007Canuck007 Posts: 72MI6 Agent
    Hi everyone, I haven't posted for a while but I have been keeping up on the thread. I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who has contributed to this site. It has been most entertaining and informative. I am proud to have been part of all of this, I have at least one of every model and that's not easy as the collection is not available in Canada. Things got much easier after I made a connection with Chris Clark at Gr8models, he has been fantastic and we have become friends through this collection...I feel a friendship with many of you as well even though we have never met and on that note, I wish all of you all the best in 2013.
    I hope we can keep this thread going and I am committed to finishing up a few code3's that I've been working on. Please keep the ideas flowing for projects
    Happy New Year! -{
    Brett
    PS I am going to collect the Batman stuff as my house is full of Bat stuff already, but it won't be the same!
  • TaylorTaylor Posts: 30MI6 Agent
    Diecast007 wrote:
    134 just landed here are the photos
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    That's all folks !

    So here we are then. Gathered for the end. I have to say I never thought I would see this day. Seven years is longer than some people's marriages but no one can say we didn't have a good run. Sure mistakes were made. The Rollers came in to the series far too late and stuff like police cars cut in half and speedboats turned people off. Not to mention the lack of communication from a certain Database Factory. Every time it got extended people dropped off,you've seen some of the the reasons why way back on these pages. 134 is an odd number to end on but if you add the View To A Kill Taxi cut in half to the mix you do have 135 cased as it were,so that does line up nice and tidy. But for a series that lets be honest should never have got past issue 20 given it's title: The James Bond CAR Collection we did pretty well (there are only 20 so called Bond cars) ;)

    That's where they have been smart with Batman and have called it the Vehicle collection. Lot of folks are saying it won't do very well and that may be true but the thing to remember I think is it's not aimed at us. It's not aimed at middle age guys. It's for the kids and I'm sure they will take to it. It's their time now and I wish them well. I'm sure they will need it over the next 9 years :))

    Would I get caught up with a JBCC Series 2? You know what. I'm just daft enough to do that,despite everything I may have said in private over the years about this series (What like you didn't? :p )

    Till then I am sure this forum will remain active and I look forward to more photo's and topics over the coming months.
  • Diecast007Diecast007 Posts: 576MI6 Agent
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    Just thought i would warn you all, the back order section of the JBCC website has now been closed!!! I was looking to order a mixed bag of cars to harvest figures, boxes and backgrounds for code 3. I phoned database and managed to get the cars I wanted but was told that stock is very limited with issues 1 - 25 now not available. If you are looking to cherry pick or looking to order duplicates for code 3 or investment i would phone asap to avoid disappointment . It looks likely that stock will all be gone by the end of this month or sooner. :#
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    Diecast007 wrote:
    ################Warning################

    Just thought i would warn you all, the back order section of the JBCC website has now been closed!!! I was looking to order a mixed bag of cars to harvest figures, boxes and backgrounds for code 3. I phoned database and managed to get the cars I wanted but was told that stock is very limited with issues 1 - 25 now not available. If you are looking to cherry pick or looking to order duplicates for code 3 or investment i would phone asap to avoid disappointment . It looks likely that stock will all be gone by the end of this month or sooner. :#

    I can echo that one. I just rang Database to order a couple of cars and was told there's about 6 weeks left for ordering back issues - after that we'll all be wrestling with the money-grabbing sharks on eBay!!
  • NeverSayDieNeverSayDie Posts: 495MI6 Agent
    I've just purchased the '89 Batmobile for £2.99.
    What have I let myself in for?????
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    I've just purchased the '89 Batmobile for £2.99.
    What have I let myself in for?????

    If you're after the 4 TV and movie ones as announced so far, you're in for about £30. If you are thinking of having all the comic ones too, about.........a second mortgage? :)
  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    Diecast007 wrote:
    harvest figures[...]for code 3.

    While I can't speak to the other things, conversions of Preiser Figuren (1/45 scale, but close enough, especially given the undersized figures we often saw that were almost 1/50 scale, such as in the DAD Ford Fairlane Skyliner), Bachmann Plasticville O Gauge figures (you should be able to get these really cheap off eBay; they're usually just sold as "Plasticville", but the originals are collector's items and the Bachmann remakes are the only ones that should be cut up; PM me if you've spotted something), and Tamiya military figures, even though you have to paint them, are very satisfying and can fit the vehicles easily. If you want, even though they're not Bond-related conversions, I can show you some of my father's work and what went into it.
    By the way, are you gonna eat that?
  • WinnieWinnie Posts: 129MI6 Agent
    Well thats just completed my JBCC all 134 issues and the free subscription models(well they weren't free to me i had to purchase them off ebay.)I think the last Rolls Royce Silver Shadow is the best of the three.It will interesting to hear what the rest of you think.
    Now back to the collection,should i open them,enjoy them and put them on display or keep the unopened models sealed.I do not intend to sell at present,but known mint models are more desireable to collectors.
    What are you fellow JBCC collectors going to do with yours?I would welcome any advice from members on this subject.
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    Winnie wrote:
    Well thats just completed my JBCC all 134 issues and the free subscription models(well they weren't free to me i had to purchase them off ebay.)I think the last Rolls Royce Silver Shadow is the best of the three.It will interesting to hear what the rest of you think.
    Now back to the collection,should i open them,enjoy them and put them on display or keep the unopened models sealed.I do not intend to sell at present,but known mint models are more desireable to collectors.
    What are you fellow JBCC collectors going to do with yours?I would welcome any advice from members on this subject.

    That's an interesting question. I know some collectors like to keep the models in the transit blister packs and I respect that as a fellow collector - each to his or her own as they say. All I would say is that if the reason is to maintain value, then it could be folly, I've bought and sold JBCC models for all the years it's been running and never known any price difference between opened packs or sealed packs. In fact, I've opened up 'sealed and mint' packs bought on eBay only to find cracked cases or factory damage faults on the models. I would actually prefer to hear from a seller that the model has been unpacked and inspected for damage. And how far do you go in trying to keep the collection 'mint'? Strictly speaking, a 'perfect mint collection' should be in the delivery bags as well, with mint, uncreased magazines. If anybody has done that (which is unlikely because the mags are nearly always creased, even in their bags) then not only have they not really enjoyed the models as much as those who open the packs, but they haven't read the mags either!
    I've collected die-cast for over 30 years and if there's one thing I've learned, it's better to enjoy whatever I've bought rather than just be a guardian of a very expensive box of stuff taking up space in my house. In my experience, if the item is opened but kept carefully, including the display packaging (not transit packaging) it will keep its value.
    What I would really recommend, is investing in a tall glass fronted display case (I think Argos do them for £120 or so) with 5/7 glass shelves. Not much to pay compared to the price of the collection. And don't forget to put it all on your house insurance - one mishap could potentially break every single plastic case, wiping out two thirds of its value! :s
  • FACTFACT Station ZPosts: 320MI6 Agent
    Similar to MCF, I bought this collection to enjoy it so my models come out of their blisters on arrival.

    I have a few duplicates that are still in their blisters, but that's only because they are duplicates which I may wish to sell at some point and, as you say, Winnie, there seems to be a perception that the ones still in blisters may get a higher price (or be more attractive to potential buyers).

    @Taylor, I had to laugh at your line "134 is an odd number to end on ..." :D

    Still a ways to go for me, I got the Country Squire this past weekend - 105 down, 29 to go.
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  • WinnieWinnie Posts: 129MI6 Agent
    Thanks for your advice MovieCarFan.I suppose a model is only worth the amount someone is willing pay who wants it.So on that assumption,it would be better to enjoy the models on display,instead of hid away in boxes.I think were all pretty much stuck with them now anyway.
  • Skyfall111Skyfall111 Posts: 2MI6 Agent
    Hi everyone,
    I've just been on the JBCC website and onto the back issue section and all it came up with was
    'slipcase BUY
    P&P £
    Price per issue £2.99'

    Does anyone know what this means?
    Thanks.
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    On the subject of buying/selling the JBCC, it would be VERY interesting to hear if anyone has actually sold their collection in one single lot for more than was paid for it. I suspect the only way to get any kind of decent return would be to split the collection up into individual lots (on eBay) and in that respect, the best tool would be a really good camera and terrific photos. That way, a buyer knows EXACTLY what they are getting, which seems to generate both interest and higher returns going by end of auction prices and 'views'.
    For any body thinking of selling, please, please put the car in a box (!) I bought one recently where the seller went to all the bother of describing the condition of the plastic case (mint) and the magazine (uncreased) then sent it in a jiffy bag. Needless to say the case was crushed and the magazine almost scrunched into a ball. After threatening him with eBay death (PayPal intervention, negative feedback etc) I got a full refund but lost out on a good purchase - a real shame.
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    Skyfall111 wrote:
    Hi everyone,
    I've just been on the JBCC website and onto the back issue section and all it came up with was
    'slipcase BUY
    P&P £
    Price per issue £2.99'

    Does anyone know what this means?
    Thanks.

    Apparently the website back issues ordering facility has now been closed. If you want any back issues, you need to phone them direct on 0871 277 0192 - but be quick, they're shutting shop in the next few weeks so stocks are going!

    (BTW I think the slipcase is a cardboard box to hold some of the magazines)
  • Diecast007Diecast007 Posts: 576MI6 Agent
    Skyfall111 wrote:
    Hi everyone,
    I've just been on the JBCC website and onto the back issue section and all it came up with was
    'slipcase BUY
    P&P £
    Price per issue £2.99'

    Does anyone know what this means?
    Thanks.

    See above posts , I was actually ordering back issues then it said thank you for your order, then shut down LOL.
  • TaylorTaylor Posts: 30MI6 Agent
    My advice for anyone on here is if you have the space, get them out, get them open and get them on display. Seven years of hard work and way over one large needs to be out and about. I myself won't of course be taking my own advise due to lack of space. But if anyone thinks this collection will be worth a bomb in a few years I fear you will be disappointed. Full sets on Ebay right now are not selling for almost half the money we shelled out. People can't or won't pay over a thousand in one go for this or indeed any collection. When all this started so very long ago I was getting 2 every 2 weeks of the same model. The plan was to have one open and one sealed on the bubble. Well of course as we now know the series didn't stop at 20 as it was supposed to,it went on so after issue 20 I cut down to just 1 every 2 weeks and left it sealed on the bubble. The only ones I got more of after that were the ones I felt were the best (53,68,101 and so on) Due to lack of space each model was boxed away 12 to a box filling over 20 boxes. Since issue 112 I haven't even taken them out of the bags anymore. Not because I don't want to but because I no longer have the time or space to be dealing with it. I worked it out a while back. To display every model would take an entire wall in your house from floor to ceiling,with shelves going all the way across and at least 10 rows. :o One of the reasons people gave up years ago. As for opening the bubble well they do look better out of it but then it does keep the dust off if you leave it on,so I guess it's what you prefer. I did have the first 20 on display ages ago but they to had to go away due to space. Maybe one day I will get them all out, maybe but not today.
    If any go up in value it will be the last few due to the fact they will have only been available for a few weeks up against the years and years all the other models were available for.
    I tried the website myself and yes it has been shut down from ordering back issue's. My advice? Get on the ball quick with your newsagent and he can still order some I believe. Might just do that myself with one or two. B-)
  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    edited January 2013
    I've actually never displayed mine on even the diorama stands. I just put 'em on my O Gauge layout. As far as keeping models boxed up, a LOT of people lost money that way with Franklin Mint in the US in 1/43 scale. They bought 'em, never opened 'em, saw them as collectables, and 20 years later, if you adjust inflation, only about half a dozen models (such as the 1959 Ford Galaxie 500 Skyliner with operating roof) are actually worth more than they were originally. Ditto the early Brooklin Models, which have plummeted in value (they used to go for around $200 USD, much more if you factor in inflation; even now, they go for closer to $120, shipping included). Solido were supposed to be collector's items and well, weren't. Corgi too.

    In recent years, only a few models have continually commanded high prices, but it was in spite of the manufacturer's production run, not because of them. For example, when Ixo Classic ran its Lada 1200 Volkspolizei and Polizei cars, they didn't think there would be much demand and made the cars accordingly. They go for astronomical amounts now because Ixo had no idea how profitable the Volkspolizei cars were. As for collectables in the same genre, someone's bound to have them collecting dust for $30-$40. In a similar vein, the Russian company Agat never really thought their GAZ-66's would go for very much and produced them sparingly. You could get them around $30 at first, but the price went steadily up. Now they go for over $75 each, easily, because nobody modelled the GAZ-66 before or since on a wide scale until Start Scale Models did it and sold out within a couple days regarding their pre-orders. Before that, the Agat ones went for over $100. I don't see any parallel to those models and the JBCC. With rare exceptions (such as Atlas DDR Auto-Kollektion thanks to its poor distribution), partwork models don't really go for much unless they started out being expensive, such as Atlas 1/43 military.
    By the way, are you gonna eat that?
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    Having being bitten once many years ago by losing money on some 80s Corgi die-cast bought as an 'investment', I've never done it since. Personally I think it's better to collect stuff because you like it and allow yourself to enjoy while you have it, rather than see it as something to retire on. The tremendous value of 50s and 60s die-cast was only achieved because of its scarcity in mint boxed condition (most of it was played with and ruined) - most post 80s die-cast models have been kept in comparatively pristine condition, so the values tend to remain generally static.
    For anyone thinking of buying a £1000 worth of comic book Batmobiles as an investment, I'd say buy some gold coins instead!
  • Diecast007Diecast007 Posts: 576MI6 Agent
    Yes, I too remember watching antiques road show and gentleman produced a box of mint dinky toys all pristine in original boxes. Articles appeared in national newspapers of similar loft or garage finds. The values rocketed! I began collecting diecast also in the 80's not long after starting my first proper job. Corgi classics were the order of the day and I would not think twice ordering the same car four times over to get the different colours as they were released. The famous Corgi Bedford OB coach at one stage I must have had 30 or so different liveries. Back then a diecast manufacturer could get away with producing 000's of a livery of the same vehicle. Choice of vehicles were limited with one or two new shapes per six months. I bought thinking they would gain value but so did everybody else . Now older wiser I buy because I like the model and I am not so brand loyal. Buy them , enjoy them, sell them, swap them, code 3 . The Die-cast hobby has evolved but one thing for sure is they are not an investment.
  • SWJSWJ Posts: 100MI6 Agent
    Diecast007 wrote:
    The Die-cast hobby has evolved but one thing for sure is they are not an investment.

    Don't let my wife hear you say that! How else do you think I've got away with buying this collection for 7 years ;)

    Anyway. my issue 134 turned up at the weekend and it is with mixed feelings that I wave the Collection goodbye.

    However, my 'Unofficial' JBCC continues. Hopefully this weekend I will get around to posting photos of some of these.

    From Doctor No I'm working on the Vauxhall Velox and from the literary vehicles - Felix Leiters Cord from LALD, Sir Hugo Drax's MB 300SE and an Alfa Romeo from Moonraker, a ZiS from FRWL

    I'm also working on converting an issue14 AM V8 from TLD into the version minus gadgets and a Mini Moke from YOLT.

    I've also got a spare DB5 sitting on the cellar steps - now I do have an idea for this one. I'm thinking the scene at the end of Skyfall? (Now where did I put those matches........)
  • Diecast007Diecast007 Posts: 576MI6 Agent
    SWJ wrote:
    Diecast007 wrote:
    The Die-cast hobby has evolved but one thing for sure is they are not an investment.

    Don't let my wife hear you say that! How else do you think I've got away with buying this collection for 7 years ;)

    Anyway. my issue 134 turned up at the weekend and it is with mixed feelings that I wave the Collection goodbye.

    However, my 'Unofficial' JBCC continues. Hopefully this weekend I will get around to posting photos of some of these.

    From Doctor No I'm working on the Vauxhall Velox and from the literary vehicles - Felix Leiters Cord from LALD, Sir Hugo Drax's MB 300SE and an Alfa Romeo from Moonraker, a ZiS from FRWL

    I'm also working on converting an issue14 AM V8 from TLD into the version minus gadgets and a Mini Moke from YOLT.

    I've also got a spare DB5 sitting on the cellar steps - now I do have an idea for this one. I'm thinking the scene at the end of Skyfall? (Now where did I put those matches........)

    I like the idea of the burnt out Aston. The other code 3 projects sound exciting too!

    I have just ordered a db5 and e type from Atlas editions for £2.99 with free postage !!!

    Both will be suitable for code 3

    I feel the Jbcc has moved up a gear with a whole bunch of code 3 projects on the horizon.

    Looking forward to photos!!!

    Dal110 sometime ago you posted photos of your layout. I and I am sure others would be interested to see how you have accommodated the recent Jbcc cars into the layout
  • BleuvilleBleuville Posts: 384MI6 Agent
    Diecast007 wrote:
    Yes, I too remember watching antiques road show and gentleman produced a box of mint dinky toys all pristine in original boxes. Articles appeared in national newspapers of similar loft or garage finds. The values rocketed! I began collecting diecast also in the 80's not long after starting my first proper job. Corgi classics were the order of the day and I would not think twice ordering the same car four times over to get the different colours as they were released. The famous Corgi Bedford OB coach at one stage I must have had 30 or so different liveries. Back then a diecast manufacturer could get away with producing 000's of a livery of the same vehicle. Choice of vehicles were limited with one or two new shapes per six months. I bought thinking they would gain value but so did everybody else . Now older wiser I buy because I like the model and I am not so brand loyal. Buy them , enjoy them, sell them, swap them, code 3 . The Die-cast hobby has evolved but one thing for sure is they are not an investment.

    Yes I think the scarcity rule applies, in that, if not many people were interested in a dull or unrelated vehicle model,
    then later on it becomes valuable due to the small numbers sold.
    back in 2002 I bought a Corgi FRWL pick-up truck because I thought it would be not very popular and so scarcer later.
    Some of the 1969 Corgi OHMSS models are rare and valuable, because they didn't sell and the particular vehicles were an odd choice to be made. e.g.- SPECTRE Merc SL (should be saloon) and then Bobsleighs (OK) when what you wanted was
    an Aston DBS model in that muddy green colour.

    Bleuville. "Phew, all that running around - it's so exhausting!" Silva in Skyfall.
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