James Bond Car Collection - Questions and praise

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  • ArronaxArronax Florida, USAPosts: 45MI6 Agent
    I'm also outside the UK so anything I say on this "second JBCC" is all theory.

    Keep in mind, it's been 5 (?) years since the JBCC was introduced. It's the 50th anniversary of James Bond. It's good time to restart a successful series which includes vehicles that have already been produced and not include any vehicles that were not well received.

    If the JBCC is relaunched, I'd bet Eaglemoss will be aiming at a new market (possibly including the USA) with a smaller range of the good old standbys and, maybe, a vehicle or two from Skyfall.

    I honestly can't believe they'd just pick up where they left off and produce (let's face it) the more obscure subjects that have been suggested on this board.

    If there is a second JBCC, I don't think you'll see anything you haven't seen before but it will cost more. I also think Eaglemoss may have learned a lesson about replacements and distribution through newsagents and will sell this second JBCC through mail-order subscription only.

    As I said - just theories.
  • Diecast007Diecast007 Posts: 576MI6 Agent
    Arronax wrote:
    I'm also outside the UK so anything I say on this "second JBCC" is all theory.

    Keep in mind, it's been 5 (?) years since the JBCC was introduced. It's the 50th anniversary of James Bond. It's good time to restart a successful series which includes vehicles that have already been produced and not include any vehicles that were not well received.

    If the JBCC is relaunched, I'd bet Eaglemoss will be aiming at a new market (possibly including the USA) with a smaller range of the good old standbys and, maybe, a vehicle or two from Skyfall.

    I honestly can't believe they'd just pick up where they left off and produce (let's face it) the more obscure subjects that have been suggested on this board.

    If there is a second JBCC, I don't think you'll see anything you haven't seen before but it will cost more. I also think Eaglemoss may have learned a lesson about replacements and distribution through newsagents and will sell this second JBCC through mail-order subscription only.

    As I said - just theories.

    All good theories, a bit of clever marketing and there is no reason why it could be produced as an extention of the original collection. Yes the code 3 models are obscure but I would argue more in keeping with some of the real collection . I like the idea of starting at 135 this would be palatable to existing previous subscribers. The standard popular vehicles could be produced alongside this revised collection and sold as specials . So we don't end up with duplicates like corgi did time and time again.
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    Granted, many of the Code3s suggested/seen have been different shades of obscure but to some extent that's just echoing what was happening towards the end of the JBCC with some VERY high selling lesser known models. In other words they may be obscure but to a large number of die-cast collectors world-wide they are still highly desirable.

    However, what didn't they produce in the way of more memorable Bond related machines that they should or could have done? Well, off the top of my head and without without referring to any lists, how about these? -

    From Skyfall:

    The Audi
    M's Jag
    Eve's Land-Rover Double Cab

    From other movies:

    The YOLT yellow Moke
    The LALD bus
    The LTK Kenworth
    The TND Beemer bike
    The OHMSS Escort
    The LD standard, non gadget Vantage
    Dalko's UAZ(!!!)

    ......and of course, whatever is yet to appear in Bond 24.

    What's more important about these cars is the fact that the manufacturers can use the moulds for their own ranges. They cannot do that with the majority of the Batmobiles currently tying up Emoss's attention, so extending the JBCC would make a great deal of sense for everybody concerned IMHO. It would be good for Emoss's profits, the manufacturers profits via knock-on range fillers and of course, collectors who aren't so keen on comic Batmobiles would get more of what they actually want.

    Probably what Emoss should have done was to produce a 1.6 scale '66 TV Batmobile partwork model or Bale's Tumbler in 1.6 scale, but hey.
  • Diecast007Diecast007 Posts: 576MI6 Agent
    Granted, many of the Code3s suggested/seen have been different shades of obscure but to some extent that's just echoing what was happening towards the end of the JBCC with some VERY high selling lesser known models. In other words they may be obscure but to a large number of die-cast collectors world-wide they are still highly desirable.

    However, what didn't they produce in the way of more memorable Bond related machines that they should or could have done? Well, off the top of my head and without without referring to any lists, how about these? -

    From Skyfall:

    The Audi
    M's Jag
    Eve's Land-Rover Double Cab

    From other movies:

    The YOLT yellow Moke
    The LALD bus
    The LTK Kenworth
    The TND Beemer bike
    The OHMSS Escort
    The LD standard, non gadget Vantage
    Dalko's UAZ(!!!)

    ......and of course, whatever is yet to appear in Bond 24.

    What's more important about these cars is the fact that the manufacturers can use the moulds for their own ranges. They cannot do that with the majority of the Batmobiles currently tying up Emoss's attention, so extending the JBCC would make a great deal of sense for everybody concerned IMHO. It would be good for Emoss's profits, the manufacturers profits via knock-on range fillers and of course, collectors who aren't so keen on comic Batmobiles would get more of what they actually want.

    Probably what Emoss should have done was to produce a 1.6 scale '66 TV Batmobile partwork model or Bale's Tumbler in 1.6 scale, but hey.

    MCF the 66 TV batmobilewould have been a perfect build your own part work to compliment the db5. I think the batman collection has been a bit of self indulgence by somebody at Eaglemoss who thought his love of Batman was replicated by many more throughout the world. I like your suggestions above .
  • ArronaxArronax Florida, USAPosts: 45MI6 Agent
    Granted, many of the Code3s suggested/seen have been different shades of obscure but to some extent that's just echoing what was happening towards the end of the JBCC with some VERY high selling lesser known models. In other words they may be obscure but to a large number of die-cast collectors world-wide they are still highly desirable.

    However, what didn't they produce in the way of more memorable Bond related machines that they should or could have done? Well, off the top of my head and without without referring to any lists, how about these? -

    From Skyfall:

    The Audi
    M's Jag
    Eve's Land-Rover Double Cab

    From other movies:

    The YOLT yellow Moke
    The LALD bus
    The LTK Kenworth
    The TND Beemer bike
    The OHMSS Escort
    The LD standard, non gadget Vantage
    Dalko's UAZ(!!!)

    ......and of course, whatever is yet to appear in Bond 24.

    What's more important about these cars is the fact that the manufacturers can use the moulds for their own ranges. They cannot do that with the majority of the Batmobiles currently tying up Emoss's attention, so extending the JBCC would make a great deal of sense for everybody concerned IMHO. It would be good for Emoss's profits, the manufacturers profits via knock-on range fillers and of course, collectors who aren't so keen on comic Batmobiles would get more of what they actually want.

    These are great ideas for additional subjects although I would think Eaglemoss would steer away from the larger subjects unless they changed the scale dramatically.

    I still think that Eaglemoss would try to get more money out of existing subjects rather that appeal to those who bought the current range up to 134. Money wise, re-issuing a truncated range makes more sense than extending the first JBCC collection.

    But going back to something I suggested in my "second JBCC" post.

    If Eaglemoss were to restart the JBCC range as a mail order subscription only, it would make it easier to tap into the untapped US market. To do this they would have to offer much of what has been offered already.

    Of course, this idea is subject to US licenses and still just a theory.
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    Arronax wrote:
    Granted, many of the Code3s suggested/seen have been different shades of obscure but to some extent that's just echoing what was happening towards the end of the JBCC with some VERY high selling lesser known models. In other words they may be obscure but to a large number of die-cast collectors world-wide they are still highly desirable.

    However, what didn't they produce in the way of more memorable Bond related machines that they should or could have done? Well, off the top of my head and without without referring to any lists, how about these? -

    From Skyfall:

    The Audi
    M's Jag
    Eve's Land-Rover Double Cab

    From other movies:

    The YOLT yellow Moke
    The LALD bus
    The LTK Kenworth
    The TND Beemer bike
    The OHMSS Escort
    The LD standard, non gadget Vantage
    Dalko's UAZ(!!!)

    ......and of course, whatever is yet to appear in Bond 24.

    What's more important about these cars is the fact that the manufacturers can use the moulds for their own ranges. They cannot do that with the majority of the Batmobiles currently tying up Emoss's attention, so extending the JBCC would make a great deal of sense for everybody concerned IMHO. It would be good for Emoss's profits, the manufacturers profits via knock-on range fillers and of course, collectors who aren't so keen on comic Batmobiles would get more of what they actually want.

    These are great ideas for additional subjects although I would think Eaglemoss would steer away from the larger subjects unless they changed the scale dramatically.

    I still think that Eaglemoss would try to get more money out of existing subjects rather that appeal to those who bought the current range up to 134. Money wise, re-issuing a truncated range makes more sense than extending the first JBCC collection.

    But going back to something I suggested in my "second JBCC" post.

    If Eaglemoss were to restart the JBCC range as a mail order subscription only, it would make it easier to tap into the untapped US market. To do this they would have to offer much of what has been offered already.

    Of course, this idea is subject to US licenses and still just a theory.

    I think the adverse reaction to the Bondola being 'off-scale' might have stopped Fabbri/Emoss pursuing the bus and Kenworth in 1.50 or 1.72 scale but I think we figured out the KW could be possible in 1.43 if it were just the cab alone.

    The way the re-packaged JBCC Models looked some pages back was very similar to current Atlas Editions mail order part-works, so I wouldn't be surprised to see it coming to the USA in that format as a fresh launch.

    I think what we are getting at here is that aside from a new re-launch elsewhere, the UK JBCC could still be extended to 150 without scratching around for ideas. If Emoss decided to do that, I guess what they might choose to offer to other countries outside the UK later on (which issues) would depend on already known subscriber and dealer feedback to the various extensions after issue 40.
  • Diecast007Diecast007 Posts: 576MI6 Agent
    In the meantime more code 3's I guess , anyone ??
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    Diecast007 wrote:
    In the meantime more code 3's I guess , anyone ??

    Mine are at a full stop because I keep getting outbid on source models I try to buy on eBay! Seems to me that UK values are going up on almost all of them apart from the 2CV and Z3 (suspiciously so with some sellers in particular - is there some routine 'bidding up' going on by any chance? :v )

    Can I put out a general request for no-one to buy cheap JBCC models on eBay for a few weeks? No? Thought not. ;)
  • Diecast007Diecast007 Posts: 576MI6 Agent
    edited March 2013
    Diecast007 wrote:
    In the meantime more code 3's I guess , anyone ??

    Mine are at a full stop because I keep getting outbid on source models I try to buy on eBay! Seems to me that UK values are going up on almost all of them apart from the 2CV and Z3 (suspiciously so with some sellers in particular - is there some routine 'bidding up' going on by any chance? :v )

    Can I put out a general request for no-one to buy cheap JBCC models on eBay for a few weeks? No? Thought not. ;)

    I've been outbid numerous times too . I was winning with a £1.04 bid on a Db5 in the last 10 seconds it shot up to £18.00 !!

    What are you looking for?
  • BleuvilleBleuville Posts: 384MI6 Agent
    Diecast007 wrote:
    I haven't seen any TV adverts in the south for a new JBCC or a re-launch, and there's nothing on YouTube or Google about one. Could it be another regional 'tester' of some sort, confined to a small area of the UK? We've all seen the revised packaging with the card sleeve, so presumably the JBCC will appear in another form at some point soon.

    Yep I did a similar search and nothing. I was told yesterday at a family gathering by two relatives both of which said they had seen the advert on TV on seperate occasions . They are both from north east Scotland . I guess this could be a regional tester for the rumoured jbcc2 that was hinted earlier this year. I think this has been brought forward as the batman collection is not as we all predicted got the legs of the Jbcc . The subject matter is not diverse enough to capture the imagination beyond liking batman .

    Well is it all just wishful thinking? Mind you I'd be delighted to carry on buying JBCC models, but I suppose the lazy way is to produce what you already make rather than coming up with "new" models as per the previous Wishlist.
    I'll believe it if/when it happens.

    Bleuville.
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    D007 - I suppose £18 is understandable for the SF DB5 but it seems a bit high for any of the other variants. I'm finding the same thing - the model sits at a low price for ages then suddenly rockets in the closing minutes. I started to notice that this was happening with one or two UK dealer/sellers in particular so much so that I checked their sales history and they were getting much higher prices than normal on just about all of their sales, including very commonly cheap JBCC models like the 2CV. I could be totally wrong but it smacks of 'bidding-up' (getting a mate to bid against someone who's possibly left a higher bid amount, or outbidding them so they'll bid again) so I've stopped bothering to look at their listings altogether. The other problem is eBay 'newbies' who get sucked into bidding WAY above what something is worth and ruin any chance of paying a fair price. I don't think they should be allowed on eBay after 6pm.

    I'm currently trying to copy your QOS Alfa 156, I've long since bought the car but have spent ages trying to get a European type paved road as used in the FRWL Citroen Avant (which I've only just won at a price below £7.99). I'll post a pic when it's done just to prove others are taking notice of your ideas! {[]
  • yourmovemrbondyourmovemrbond Posts: 61MI6 Agent
    for those who are interested.........the batmobiles ARE falling flat on their faces........sales have dropped from issue 3 onwards.......cant sell any of the following 4 issues..........only permanent subscribers are buying them........no scope for increasing subscribers.......i am reducing my order from 40 down to 20 this week...the series has been extended on "sale or return" to 10 issues ( it is usually 6) so more misery to come.....cant honestly see this series taking off......even some of the diehard subscribers have been a little disapointed with the last 2 issues.............hard to see how Eaglemoss could have got it more wrong!!!........bring on the bond series 2!!!!
  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    There's only two (well, three really) problems to having a JBCC launched in the US: most importantly, our current partwork distribution system, which is geared toward comic book and card shops (instead of the diecast or even toy dealers who would be far more likely to sell more) and the start-up costs, especially in the current US economy, of actually selling to diecast dealers. That, and 1/43 collectors in the US tend to be very car-centric/similar to me in their outlook (although often even LESS tolerant of discrepancies than I am). You'd get a TON of cherrypickers buying up the American cars and also probably the East Bloc cars focused on details as your target market, with some British cars bought up and next to no mainland European cars except Mercedes-Benz and BMW.

    A similar market might be the Brazilian market, where the JBCC was sold but eventually dropped due to lack of collector interest.
    By the way, are you gonna eat that?
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    There's only two (well, three really) problems to having a JBCC launched in the US: most importantly, our current partwork distribution system, which is geared toward comic book and card shops (instead of the diecast or even toy dealers who would be far more likely to sell more) and the start-up costs, especially in the current US economy, of actually selling to diecast dealers. That, and 1/43 collectors in the US tend to be very car-centric/similar to me in their outlook (although often even LESS tolerant of discrepancies than I am). You'd get a TON of cherrypickers buying up the American cars and also probably the East Bloc cars focused on details as your target market, with some British cars bought up and next to no mainland European cars except Mercedes-Benz and BMW.

    A similar market might be the Brazilian market, where the JBCC was sold but eventually dropped due to lack of collector interest.

    I notice looking at the Batman Automobilia website that there is info available for US customers including a 'nearest store locator' facility, something which was never part of the JBCC website. Maybe Emoss's marketing strategy was to establish some sort of store network foothold in the States with the Batmobiles as a first wave, then send over a revised and repackaged JBCC to back it up? No doubt the JBCC could be trimmed and tailored to suit the consumer appetite over there, essentially cutting out the ones you think would get a cold response, or even cutting it right down to the movie favourites - ?
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    for those who are interested.........the batmobiles ARE falling flat on their faces........sales have dropped from issue 3 onwards.......cant sell any of the following 4 issues..........only permanent subscribers are buying them........no scope for increasing subscribers.......i am reducing my order from 40 down to 20 this week...the series has been extended on "sale or return" to 10 issues ( it is usually 6) so more misery to come.....cant honestly see this series taking off......even some of the diehard subscribers have been a little disapointed with the last 2 issues.............hard to see how Eaglemoss could have got it more wrong!!!........bring on the bond series 2!!!!

    I'm a tad surprised sales of number 4 are low, the Batman Forever model is actually quite a nice piece of movie memorabilia and surprisingly well done. The others (comic related) we all knew would fall flat. I rang the Batman Automobilia people this morning to see if the 'shields' movie version (issued as a gift) was available to buy, but they said 'no, not at present'. I would have bought three of them at £10.99 each but they're choosing to keep them - at a time when they're not selling anything other than the first three! A strange way of doing business :s
  • Diecast007Diecast007 Posts: 576MI6 Agent
    I have subscribed to the batman collection for my six year old . We signed up in January . The first one arrived (issue two) arrived on saturday. However money has been taken from my account for issues 1 through to five. The plan is to cancel after the free gifts

    Not even three months into Batman and the cracks are showing . A big mistake by Eaglemoss to stop a successful part work for this . Someone somewhere thought a part work just with batman cars was going to be a hit . I'm guessing that same person will be possibly be looking for a new job ???

    The jbcc2 was hinted to me in an email some of you may recall I received in the latter part of 2012. Even then a time frame of a couple of years but now it looks likely to be much sooner .
    Can't wait !
  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    Maybe Emoss's marketing strategy was to establish some sort of store network foothold in the States with the Batmobiles as a first wave

    If so, it worked poorly. The Batman collection isn;t discussed at all on any diecast forums I know of except for the 1960's Batmobile, and most of the references made to it are that you can get a better one by Hot Wheels or an unknown Chinese company that makes one in resin (nicknamed the "Corgi Copy" for a number of similarities to Corgi's revised version).
    Diecast007 wrote:
    The jbcc2 was hinted to me in an email some of you may recall I received in the latter part of 2012. Even then a time frame of a couple of years but now it looks likely to be much sooner .
    Can't wait !

    They better find a new manufacturer, then. Ixo committed to HUGE extensions with its East Bloc partworks as expected...but Universal Hobbies ALSO committed to a new armor partwork and apparently will be given something else to do in France. With the two primary manufacturers out of it, Eligor becoming a part of PCT (owners of Ixo), and poor relations with Norev, who makes the cars? Hongwell? But they seem to have commitments of their own. I just hope it isn't Amercom. There isn't an otherwise-awesome partwork they can't ruin in existence. :#
    By the way, are you gonna eat that?
  • ArronaxArronax Florida, USAPosts: 45MI6 Agent
    edited March 2013
    A little change of pace.

    I'm more of a model builder than a die-cast collector but I thought you might like to see my version of a Code 3.

    Silva's Merlin helicopter is the Italeri 1/72 kit. I found a 1/72 Aston Martin made by Schuco and resin cast a copy of the body. The original wheels, chassis and interior were used but destroyed along with the resin body.

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  • Diecast007Diecast007 Posts: 576MI6 Agent
    Arronax wrote:
    A little change of pace.

    I'm more of a model builder than a die-cast collector but I thought you might like to see my version of a Code 3.

    Silva's Merlin helicopter is the Italeri 1/72 kit. I found a 1/72 Aston Martin made by Schuco and resin cast a copy of the body. The original wheels, chassis and interior were used but destroyed along with the resin body.

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    This is superb ! Stunning !
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    That is FANTASTIC - a real work of art! Can you re-post the photos in a bigger file size?
  • ArronaxArronax Florida, USAPosts: 45MI6 Agent
    That is FANTASTIC - a real work of art! Can you re-post the photos in a bigger file size?

    Made them a little bigger for you.
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    Arronax wrote:
    That is FANTASTIC - a real work of art! Can you re-post the photos in a bigger file size?

    Made them a little bigger for you.

    It looks incredibly detailed - did it take long to create? Did the Schuco DB5 have an opening bonnet/hood or was that something you added? Any figures?

    Oddly enough, ever since I posted the photos of the die-cast version of this helicopter I've been on the lookout for a similar scale DB5 (1.100) and recently came across this:

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    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380600232584

    It's 1.87 scale but I wouldn't mind betting it would probably look reasonably ok with the 1.100 copter if someone fancies giving it a go. It's just a bit too tiny for me to try and paint - I have enough problems with 1.43 stuff!
  • ArronaxArronax Florida, USAPosts: 45MI6 Agent
    Arronax wrote:
    That is FANTASTIC - a real work of art! Can you re-post the photos in a bigger file size?

    Made them a little bigger for you.

    It looks incredibly detailed - did it take long to create? Did the Schuco DB5 have an opening bonnet/hood or was that something you added? Any figures?

    What I did was make a resin cast of the die-cast body of the Schuco DB5. Then I cut the top and hood off the casting. I still have the die-cast body and it wasn't used in this diorama. The Schuco DB5 came nicely packaged (clear plastic box), with the BMT 216A number plate, chrome bumpers, black interior (nicely detailed) but no figures.

    The Merlin took about 20 hours and the diorama and DB5 took about 4 hours (not including setting time for the rubber mold and resin). Incidentally, this was my first ever resin casting.
  • mazmaz Posts: 227MI6 Agent
    That bs design model will not be an easy model it is solid clear resin and needs masking all glass areas before painting. Not for the inexperienced and certainly not easy to adapt to burnt out. PLUS pretty rare and sought after. Though you could obviously create a mould off it like arronax did off schuco same model also appeared in cararama packaging since it was made by hongwell..
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    The Ford Country Squire has been appearing on eBay and retail sites in different colours as part of Ixo's PremiumX range. The prices are different to the JBCC's version too!

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  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    Ironically, the JBCC's version is actually better in a way: the wheels are supposed to be body-color with a metallic center, not metallic. It's been the one criticism the car's been receiving!
    By the way, are you gonna eat that?
  • MovieCarFanMovieCarFan Posts: 973MI6 Agent
    Ironically, the JBCC's version is actually better in a way: the wheels are supposed to be body-color with a metallic center, not metallic. It's been the one criticism the car's been receiving!

    Any idea whether the 'woody' sides are slide transfers/decals again as per the JBCC model, or painted/printed on these?
  • Dalkowski110Dalkowski110 Posts: 1,314MI6 Agent
    Ironically, the JBCC's version is actually better in a way: the wheels are supposed to be body-color with a metallic center, not metallic. It's been the one criticism the car's been receiving!

    Any idea whether the 'woody' sides are slide transfers/decals again as per the JBCC model, or painted/printed on these?

    They're the same as with the JBCC model and are transfers.
    By the way, are you gonna eat that?
  • Diecast007Diecast007 Posts: 576MI6 Agent
    As a James Bond car collection subscriber have been asked to participate in a survey again however only registered so far waiting for survey
  • Tony EricssonTony Ericsson EnglandPosts: 181MI6 Agent
    Diecast007 wrote:
    As a James Bond car collection subscriber have been asked to participate in a survey again however only registered so far waiting for survey

    This is the sort of news the term "Watch this space" was invented for. One piece of advice for all our sakes. Say yes to EVERYTHING!!! :)
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