The James Bond 22 Gunbarrel
scottmu65
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Good Evening.
I've looked through all the pages on the Bond 22 discussion board (thats right, all 2 of them lol) and there isn't another topic based on this subject so i'm hoping that it's ok for me to post this.
I know the subject of the gunbarrel sequence was overly discussed and posted about in the Casino Royale forum, but as we are now discussing the next Bond adventure I wanted to ask about the new gunbarrel.
What do you think they should do with it, do you think it should evolve using the new style etc. or do you think that they should stick to the original gunbarrel "formula" that we all know and love. Basically express your opinions and ideas here.
Personally I think that the original gunbarrel formula should be used (white dots scrolling across the screen etc. etc.) I would like to see a different styled gunbarrel, ssomethng different to the sequences prior to Casino Royale, but I don't mind too much to be honest, just as long as the filmmakers don't get too over-excited and that it isn't messed around with too much.
I've looked through all the pages on the Bond 22 discussion board (thats right, all 2 of them lol) and there isn't another topic based on this subject so i'm hoping that it's ok for me to post this.
I know the subject of the gunbarrel sequence was overly discussed and posted about in the Casino Royale forum, but as we are now discussing the next Bond adventure I wanted to ask about the new gunbarrel.
What do you think they should do with it, do you think it should evolve using the new style etc. or do you think that they should stick to the original gunbarrel "formula" that we all know and love. Basically express your opinions and ideas here.
Personally I think that the original gunbarrel formula should be used (white dots scrolling across the screen etc. etc.) I would like to see a different styled gunbarrel, ssomethng different to the sequences prior to Casino Royale, but I don't mind too much to be honest, just as long as the filmmakers don't get too over-excited and that it isn't messed around with too much.
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Bond being able to shoot down the barrel of an opposing gun was just too "Phantom Ghost Who Walks" for me.
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I do hope that Daniel Craig wears formal wear this time rather than an open necked shirt like he does in CR. I don't necessarily mean a tuxedo - perhaps the suit from the final scene of CR. . .
{[] I agree, it would be awesome if Daniel Craig was to wear that suit for the gunbarrel, although I'd like to see him wear a tuxedo, either way is good B-)
I would also prefer DC to be wearing a cool suit, rather than a tuxedo.
Me too. Actually I think the simple black suit and black neck tie Bond wears in the credit sequence is achingly cool, whereas the diner jacket is a bit silly-looking. I'd be happy with that.
I'm a huge fan of the way in which Eon reset the game pieces for CR---and I don't mind further tweaking the Precious Classic Formula---but I am hoping for the gunbarrel where it was for the 20 previous pictures, and have every confidence that's what we'll get.
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Yeah, I'm sure they will- just because there was a reason to tinker with it in CR and I can't think of any reason for not having it up front in the next one. Wouldn't mind it being jazzed up a bit more, though- I hope they let Kleinman really have free reign.
Yeah- never understood the thinking there. I wouldn't mind if they didn't have the wailing trumpets; they're fun but I'm not sure they suit Craig's Bond. Defintely needs a big impact and that tune, though.
It was a NICE suit. B-)
CR's gunbarrel was good for what they were trying to convey but I'm ready for things to go back to normal meaning it's time for DC to establish his signature walk, fire and shoot.
I miss the dots darting across the screen; I'd prefer not to conform to some other approach.
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Anyhow, can anyone tell me anything about the outfit SC wore in goldfinger when he was playing golf?
It was left out of CR because at that point in Bond's life he had no kills. Having no kills and no double O status meant there really wouldn't be anybody pointing a gun at Bond. Who would want Bond dead at that specific point in his life?
Now that there's a few kills under the new cinematic Bond's belt, it make perfect sense that he's now a man that other people would want dead.
The traditional gun barrel will return.
I think now that he has 'become' Bond as we know him, the formal suits will be seen more in 22.
I always thought Bond used his tailored suits as a type of 'armour' to protect him emotionally, and to stop those poor, untrusted souls getting too close to the man within...
Vesper introduced him to the tailored dinner jacket in CR and he seemed to feel it's power as he viewed himself in the bathroom scene.
He is wearing a 3 piece suit('Book Bond's' favourite; navy) in the final scene because this is were he 'becomes' the Bond we all know(a cold, isolated loner). Hence the James Bond theme being played for the first time in the entire movie!
The casual clothes in CR simply underline the 'New Rookie' agent's inexperience.IMO.
I sort of hope not. It was quite refreshing to see him dress like a normal person again (and if you look back; this is pretty much how he dressed in the 60s, 70s and 80s- he wore a suit if the time was right, but dashing around Miami airport in the middle of the night really doesn't demand one!) and in the 90s they seemed to feel he had to be in a suit at all times, which felt a little silly. No-one wears a suit everywhere. In CR he was still smart and elegant- the little number he wears off the plane in the Bahamas or the train outfit show he knows what he's doing.
But yes; you make a good point. I'm sure that is why he had his three-piece on at the end and the dinner jacket is very relevant. We probably will see him up the suits a little, but I hope not to a showy or overdressed level. As I say, I really do think he looks best in that very simple unbuttoned black and white suit in the titles.
I didn't care for the gunbarrel in CR.
As per the books we all know he should be wearing simple Navy, Grey and Black single breasted suits with pale blue or white shirts and knitted ties, usually in the same colour as the suit.
I wear a suit every day to work and I am slightly ashamed to say I also follow these rules myself, however I did experiment with some Brosnan esq dandyisms around the time of TWINE (and The Thomas Crown Affair). I even considered buying an 'off the peg' Brioni suit. I'm glad I didn't though... The real Bond (of the books)would never dream of wearing an 'off the peg' suit! I also have a drooping shoulder and one arm is shorter than the other. Things you only find out when you go - Made To Measure/Tailored.
No tux... business suit like the films from '62 to '74
The traditional gunbarrel design itself is iconic, so I would love to see it restored to what it was, prior to the Brosnan version (of course, cleaned up, CGI'ed, whatever, but none of this shifting and morphing stuff).
I've said it before, when you have the white dots, gunbarrel, blaring trumpet and guitar Bond music, it heralds a foray into another BIG Bond adventure.
Restore it to it's former glory
1. The gunbarrel must be in the begining... the first thing you see after the credits.
2. the dots would be there IF is a gunbarrel that goes from right to left, is it doesn't comes, just appears.. is hard to put them
3. I would like the gunbarrel that the previous 20 movies, but you know, a modern version (not like a cardboard piece) if is the new one, it would be understandable, disappointed for some, but fot me... ok.
4. The outfit must be formal (with tie or neck-tie) the final scene suit is cool... and would make 4 out of 6 "formal Bonds".
5. If he does the "walkout", i find it hard to see a 180 degrees turn, but the speed and the jacket "flying" should be kept (as the final pose)
6. The Blood... keep the old one, no doubt about it.
7. NO BULLET. PERIOD.
I would prefer the gunbarrel to look as it always did, and I think that could happen. The one in CR was supposedly the actual gun of the henchman he was killing, so it would also make sense to bring back the old style one, now he is James Bond 007.
No bullet, please (or invisible cars, tidal waves surfing, etc...the Brosnan years are over)
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I agree. I'd like it to be big.
I agree with emtiem. Here's a thought: how about if Bond just dresses appropriately for what the heck he's doing? In the novels Bond wore a suit at appropriate times but was always changing into slacks and open necked shirts at other times. Wore sandals, sometimes. He just dressed like everyone else. In fact, I don't really remember anytime when he wore a tux in the books. Maybe in CR, but beyond that, I can't think of a single instance. I think the tux is a movie-Bond convention.
But there seems to be this idea floating around that Craig's Bond is a kind of uncouth lummox who wouldn't know what fork to use at a formal dinner, and IMO that's a misreading of the character. The feeling I got was of a guy who was indeed very savvy about and appreciative of creature comforts. When he puts on Vesper's tux, he's obviously carefully evaluating the fit in the mirror and liking what he sees.
And I don't think Vesper introduced Bond to dinner jackets or suits and ties. He had one of the former with him and was wearing the latter long before she came along. Now I don't know what his dinner jacket looked like, but the one she brought for him was indeed spectaculary well tailored (in fact, of all the script improbabilities that people have pointed out, that the jacket could fit that well without a fitting is the most jarring to me). But by the same token, the dress he brought for her was quite stylish as well.
CR's Bond isn't a lout by a long shot. It's just that we the audience have been beaten over the head for so long with Bond's "sophistication" that we have trouble recognizing it when it's presented in a more subtle manner. Just my opinion.
Yeah; definitely. 'Look he's in a suit; he's straightening his tie- he must be sophisticated!' is a little simplistic. Surely being sophisticated means being subtle? As Craig's 007 has been so far?
I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying, or I may be misunderstanding you. But I do think Craig's Bond was sophisticated, but it's shown in a subtle way, such as the way he evaluates the fit of his new dinner jacket in the mirror. In past films, Bond usually announced his sophistication with some quasi-comedic, lengthy discourse on the relative merits of this or that wine vintage. The kind of guy who, if ran into him at a party in real life, would make you think "Aw, shut the f*** up about the wine and drink it." CR mercifully dispensed with that kind of thing, along with a lot of the other OTT elements of the character. The sophistication was there, but underplayed. I liked it that way. He's sophisticated, but not a show off. But again, that's just me.
Absolutely- agree entirely; I was talking about the last ten years or so of Bond where he's pretty much been wearing a sign saying 'sophisticated guy': whereas the subtly of New Bond pretty much is real sophistication to me.
Apologies if I wasn't clear in my last post- I wasn't asking questions of you but of the 'sophistication' of the old Bond; re-reading it I phrased it awkwardly!