I think "Deal with the devil". It's not origional Flemming, but sound very bondian without containing any of the overused title words.
It invokes danger, gambling and perhaps religion.
Bond also deals with the devil. He fights evil, often by performing evil acts like lying and killing.
I think it would be great to have some winter scenes in Bond 22. Perhaps along the lines of OHMSS with some serious skiing etc. Would be great to see Mr White's boss being someone like a Blofeld character, Shatterhand would be good I think.
Oh, no--no more snow! All but a handful of the Bond films made since TSWLM have had something to do with snow, and I was relieved by its absence (bar the little that's visible in the PTS) in CR. And, for that matter, I hope Bond 22 has nothing to do with satellites.
How 'bout some scenes in the Australian Outback and/or a tropical rain forest? There's virgin Bond territory for you (and I don't mean Solitaire). . .
I like titles that are fairy long. I have suggested "Come to me, Death" and "Deal with the devil" earlier. But I also like the one-word titles. Here are two titles I like:
-"Nocturne"
For the ancient form of Christian night prayer, see Nocturns
A nocturne (from the French for "nocturnal") is usually a musical composition that is inspired by, or evocative of, the night.
-"Dreamfall"
Signifies a sensation of falling while dreaming or someones dream being destroyed.
Both titles could also be the names of operations etc.
Oh, no--no more snow! All but a handful of the Bond films made since TSWLM have had something to do with snow, and I was relieved by its absence (bar the little that's visible in the PTS) in CR. And, for that matter, I hope Bond 22 has nothing to do with satellites.
How 'bout some scenes in the Australian Outback and/or a tropical rain forest? There's virgin Bond territory for you (and I don't mean Solitaire). . .
I agree, though I suspect winter will figure in to suggest a significant passing of time over the last film. Expect after the PTS to see a dour view of London as a moody establishing shot. Asia would be an interesting locale, as would Hawaii, but not since YOLT has the Bond films done Asia real justice.
Satellites, rockets (especially in cars), GPS, mini-cameras and other fairly common gadgets have been way overused, and I wouldn't mind seeing another Bond film where his wits, guts, and gun are his only weapons. If he must have something, let it be imaginative but not as absurd as an invisible car. Heck, if we're going to do that, why not have Q invent a time machine or the ability to walk through walls.
The fewer the gadgets are, the more important the few remaining become.
I could speculate on a new title, but that would be considerably pointless since I could spend all next week coming up with really witty or drab ideas. The movie will be called what it will be called. Some will like it, some won't. The world goes on.
But I still think the following must occur. Bond. Must. Go. To. Australia. In. My. Lifetime! Bag a sheila! Use a boomerang (maybe . . . that's venturing back into Moore territory).
If they use skiing in Bond 22, perhaps they should call this guy, Warren Miller: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMX5FZ0uBg0
He could be like the freerunner in CR.
Perhaps a chase for the valley bottom? Miller skis allmost straight down while Bond uses snow scooter using alonger and less steep route?
Perhaps Bond races the snow scooter cross an open lake (it's possible).
...now, if anyone from EON productions is reading this here’s a suggestion, offered free of charge: the second Bond novel was Live and Let Die (1954). This was filmed in 1973 with Roger Moore. Thirty-five years later, I’d say it is safe to do a remake. Call the film “Ian Fleming’s Live and Let Die”, and film the book. Film it as close to Fleming’s text as possible (as done with Casino Royale, and as not done with the 1973 film), and make the film as kickass as Casino Royale. Then continue to shoot the Fleming novels, in order, billing them not as remakes so much as re-imagined versions, true to Fleming’s vision (just like Casino Royale, and unlike the existing other films). The one thing that the novels had that the films have never had was continuity from story to story - at the start of each novel, the adventure, the villains, and the girl from the previous novel weigh heavily on Bond’s mind. The novels form an ongoing story, whereas the only continuity present in the films are vague references to Bond’s ongoing feud with criminal organization SPECTRE in the early films, and brief reminders of the death of Bond’s wife Tracy (their wedding and her death were seen in On Her Majesty’s Secret Service, 1969, and not referenced again until For Your Eyes Only, 1981). Some of the novels even ended on cliffhangers.
So, having done a killer job with a re-imagining of the first novel, and having started off a ‘new’ Bond series in the strongest way possible, let’s see them continue by filming the second novel, and maintaining continuity from film to film, making them a series, rather than a bunch of stand-alone movies. Just as Fleming did.
Please?
The one thing that the novels had that the films have never had was continuity from story to story - at the start of each novel, the adventure, the villains, and the girl from the previous novel weigh heavily on Bond’s mind.
Some of the novels even ended on cliffhangers.
Much as I'd like to see this happen, and I believe that EON are on record saying it won't, and much as I admire Fleming I'm forced to disagree with you on some points:
(1) Continuity is far from being the one thing the novels had that the films don't. Greater depth of characterisation is the most obvious example of those.
(2) The events and characters of the previous adventure do not weigh heavily on Bond's mind at the start of each novel; this happens very infrequently (most notably in YOLT).
(3) Cliffhangers again only happened a few times (FRWL; OHMSS; YOLT).
There's actually an old spy novel called "Saving the Queen" by -- believe it or not -- William F. Buckley. I'd hate for people to confuse the two, although the novel probably isn't very well known.
That could work. Bond 22 could end on a cliffhanger which would lead straight into Bond 23 (and hopefully Craig's final film. )
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
I think the organisation will be SPECTRE, perhaps even with Blofeld (Casino Royale was depicted as 007's first double '0' adventure, thus set before DN), but hopefully with Bond never meeting Blofeld.
I title I like was Spectre from the Past, but obviously, unusable. SPECTRE are still in Bond's future.
(3) Cliffhangers again only happened a few times (FRWL; OHMSS; YOLT).
Hence my use of the word "some"; if you don't understand it's use, I suggest you consult a dictionary.
;-)
Ah, the sound of the point being missed.
If my use of the phrase "a few" seems to you to negate my earlier post, then the trees are clearly obscuring the wood.
In your previous post there were some ("a few") factual errors which I was politely pointing out while not disagreeing with the general thrust of your argument. Here's another- Bond's wedding to Tracy and her subsequent death is mentioned in TSWLM, ie two films before FYEO.
I can only guess that the symbol at the end of your patronising post is supposed to be a smiley, perhaps in an effort to remove some of the offence from your remark that I should consult a dictionary. I was unaware that my vocabulary was a problem. Here are two things you may care to look up in your dictionary: "ill-informed" and "ill-mannered".
Her is a plot idea for Bond. I think the motivation and plans of the villan is usually the key to a good thriller. This one is motivated by grief and hate, racism to be precise. I'm also proud to suggest a countryman for a villan! This plot gives the opportunity to use Norway and the middle east as locations, both crimminaly underused in the past. I live on the coast of Norway, and believe me - it's everything it's said to be (appart from the polar bears, we don't have those on the mainland..)
A Whisper of Hate
Odd (Viggo Mortensen?), norwegian shipping- and oli magnate is the protagonist. His father made a fortune by cooperating with the germans during the occupation, but at started running ships for the allies out of Sweden when it became clear they were winning. In the 60’s and 70’s senior invests heavily in oil. His son took over in the 80’s. The father’s cooperation with the germans is covered over: for those who knew it was explained with neccesity and financial reasons. In reality he is a nazi and jew-hater.
In 2002 his father and wife are killed by a bomb during the opening of an oil refinery/launching of a naval vessel. Possible action scene (PTS): Bond, still in the regular navy or SBS, tries to stop the terrorist attack. The norwegian's hair turn white in weeks.
The attack was made by radical mulim arabs. He turn into a true anti-semite; hating both jews and arabs. Both are semittic peoples. He moves most of his investments from the middle east.
He has a half-sister (Maria Bonnevie) who mainly grew up with seniors second wife.
She has turnes out very differently from her brother. She is an invirmantalist and idealist. She is also very much into alpine extreme sports, and she is engaged to an extreme winter sports enthusiast, polar explorer and ex- naval special forces soldier.
Junior starts covertly to fund terrorist hits, hate propagnada, lobbying for Israeli or arab military revenge actions. He is also behind bombings etc. blamed on one of the sides, and he later plants “evidence”. He wants to start one or more war between Israel and the arabs and even between arab states. His goal is to trick them into killing as many as possible of each other, prefferably in a nuclear war. By shifting most of his invesgtments out of the region, he will make a lot of maney if he succeds. The line:
“Starting a war between the arabs and the israelis, how hard can it be?” should be included in the script.
The sister's fiance turns out to be on juniors side after experiances during his posting in Afghanistan.
An extreme downhill skiing/snow schooter chase scene and the a fight inside a glacier hanging in ropes and fighting with knives and pick-axes could work in this scenario.
The title: the half-sister explains the reasons why she never liked staying in the family house.
“On the surface it allways seemed to be a happy home. But there was a underlying mood, just a whisper of hate....”
The CIA has secret prisons around the world where they detain and "question" terrorist suspects. These prisons are of course not as "mild" as Guantanomo or Abu Graib. Some are ships in in international waters. This can be used in the "A whisper of hate" story. Perhaps Bond goes to one of those ships to question a prisoner about terrorist acts he suspects the norwegian shipping- and oil magnate is behind? Perhaps he offers a deal? Perhaps even helping him to escape, but not before he plants a tracking device under the terrorists skin like Bond himself had in CR?
I know this is unlikely to happen, but would you like to see this film?
"A whisper of hate"
Produced by Broccoli/Wilson
written by Purvis/Wade/Tarantino
directed by Quentin Tarantino
title song writen by David Arnold and Jay-Z
Performed by Jay-z and Beyonce
I know this is unlikely to happen, but would you like to see this film?
"A whisper of hate"
Produced by Broccoli/Wilson
written by Purvis/Wade/Tarantino
directed by Quentin Tarantino
title song writen by David Arnold and Jay-Z
Performed by Jay-z and Beyonce
The title's great- I wouldn't be surprised if that's on their list of possibilities (with "A Whisper Of Love" as an alternate). Don't think Tarantino's likely to be involved after his grumblings re CR, though!
The CIA has secret prisons around the world where they detain and "question" terrorist suspects. These prisons are of course not as "mild" as Guantanomo or Abu Graib. Some are ships in in international waters...
Nice way to slip in some politics.
I rethought my position on Bond taking on muslim terrorists and the like, it wouldn't work.
First of all, sadly I think, we are overexposed and desensitized to it in movies and TV, and to many people it wouldn't be 'fresh'.
Second, the only way such a movie would get released would be to inject it with so much PC trash and political assurances of "Most Muslims this" and "Most Jewish people that," that it would make the film unwatchable. Even with a great script, you have to be so careful not to offend anyone, otherwise the film won't get released, or there will be riots, killings, etc.
Very good point, I have to admit. I still think it can be done, but it will be hard to make it good (and safe...)
The secret CIA prison ships are just too good not to be used in a Bond film. The closest you get to that on film is the oil platform prison in Face/off, so it would certainly be fresh. A ship like that can be worked into another plot, without muslims or even terrorists.
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It invokes danger, gambling and perhaps religion.
Bond also deals with the devil. He fights evil, often by performing evil acts like lying and killing.
How 'bout some scenes in the Australian Outback and/or a tropical rain forest? There's virgin Bond territory for you (and I don't mean Solitaire). . .
-"Nocturne"
For the ancient form of Christian night prayer, see Nocturns
A nocturne (from the French for "nocturnal") is usually a musical composition that is inspired by, or evocative of, the night.
-"Dreamfall"
Signifies a sensation of falling while dreaming or someones dream being destroyed.
Both titles could also be the names of operations etc.
Satellites, rockets (especially in cars), GPS, mini-cameras and other fairly common gadgets have been way overused, and I wouldn't mind seeing another Bond film where his wits, guts, and gun are his only weapons. If he must have something, let it be imaginative but not as absurd as an invisible car. Heck, if we're going to do that, why not have Q invent a time machine or the ability to walk through walls.
I could speculate on a new title, but that would be considerably pointless since I could spend all next week coming up with really witty or drab ideas. The movie will be called what it will be called. Some will like it, some won't. The world goes on.
But I still think the following must occur. Bond. Must. Go. To. Australia. In. My. Lifetime! Bag a sheila! Use a boomerang (maybe . . . that's venturing back into Moore territory).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMX5FZ0uBg0
He could be like the freerunner in CR.
Perhaps a chase for the valley bottom? Miller skis allmost straight down while Bond uses snow scooter using alonger and less steep route?
Perhaps Bond races the snow scooter cross an open lake (it's possible).
Well, the bitch is dead................
...now, if anyone from EON productions is reading this here’s a suggestion, offered free of charge: the second Bond novel was Live and Let Die (1954). This was filmed in 1973 with Roger Moore. Thirty-five years later, I’d say it is safe to do a remake. Call the film “Ian Fleming’s Live and Let Die”, and film the book. Film it as close to Fleming’s text as possible (as done with Casino Royale, and as not done with the 1973 film), and make the film as kickass as Casino Royale. Then continue to shoot the Fleming novels, in order, billing them not as remakes so much as re-imagined versions, true to Fleming’s vision (just like Casino Royale, and unlike the existing other films). The one thing that the novels had that the films have never had was continuity from story to story - at the start of each novel, the adventure, the villains, and the girl from the previous novel weigh heavily on Bond’s mind. The novels form an ongoing story, whereas the only continuity present in the films are vague references to Bond’s ongoing feud with criminal organization SPECTRE in the early films, and brief reminders of the death of Bond’s wife Tracy (their wedding and her death were seen in On Her Majesty’s Secret Service, 1969, and not referenced again until For Your Eyes Only, 1981). Some of the novels even ended on cliffhangers.
So, having done a killer job with a re-imagining of the first novel, and having started off a ‘new’ Bond series in the strongest way possible, let’s see them continue by filming the second novel, and maintaining continuity from film to film, making them a series, rather than a bunch of stand-alone movies. Just as Fleming did.
Please?
Much as I'd like to see this happen, and I believe that EON are on record saying it won't, and much as I admire Fleming I'm forced to disagree with you on some points:
(1) Continuity is far from being the one thing the novels had that the films don't. Greater depth of characterisation is the most obvious example of those.
(2) The events and characters of the previous adventure do not weigh heavily on Bond's mind at the start of each novel; this happens very infrequently (most notably in YOLT).
(3) Cliffhangers again only happened a few times (FRWL; OHMSS; YOLT).
There's actually an old spy novel called "Saving the Queen" by -- believe it or not -- William F. Buckley. I'd hate for people to confuse the two, although the novel probably isn't very well known.
And then we get to start all over with the "(name)isnotbond.com" fiasco
I title I like was Spectre from the Past, but obviously, unusable. SPECTRE are still in Bond's future.
Hence my use of the word "some"; if you don't understand it's use, I suggest you consult a dictionary.
;-)
Ah, the sound of the point being missed.
If my use of the phrase "a few" seems to you to negate my earlier post, then the trees are clearly obscuring the wood.
In your previous post there were some ("a few") factual errors which I was politely pointing out while not disagreeing with the general thrust of your argument. Here's another- Bond's wedding to Tracy and her subsequent death is mentioned in TSWLM, ie two films before FYEO.
I can only guess that the symbol at the end of your patronising post is supposed to be a smiley, perhaps in an effort to remove some of the offence from your remark that I should consult a dictionary. I was unaware that my vocabulary was a problem. Here are two things you may care to look up in your dictionary: "ill-informed" and "ill-mannered".
Just a suggestion.
A Whisper of Hate
Odd (Viggo Mortensen?), norwegian shipping- and oli magnate is the protagonist. His father made a fortune by cooperating with the germans during the occupation, but at started running ships for the allies out of Sweden when it became clear they were winning. In the 60’s and 70’s senior invests heavily in oil. His son took over in the 80’s. The father’s cooperation with the germans is covered over: for those who knew it was explained with neccesity and financial reasons. In reality he is a nazi and jew-hater.
In 2002 his father and wife are killed by a bomb during the opening of an oil refinery/launching of a naval vessel. Possible action scene (PTS): Bond, still in the regular navy or SBS, tries to stop the terrorist attack. The norwegian's hair turn white in weeks.
The attack was made by radical mulim arabs. He turn into a true anti-semite; hating both jews and arabs. Both are semittic peoples. He moves most of his investments from the middle east.
He has a half-sister (Maria Bonnevie) who mainly grew up with seniors second wife.
She has turnes out very differently from her brother. She is an invirmantalist and idealist. She is also very much into alpine extreme sports, and she is engaged to an extreme winter sports enthusiast, polar explorer and ex- naval special forces soldier.
Junior starts covertly to fund terrorist hits, hate propagnada, lobbying for Israeli or arab military revenge actions. He is also behind bombings etc. blamed on one of the sides, and he later plants “evidence”. He wants to start one or more war between Israel and the arabs and even between arab states. His goal is to trick them into killing as many as possible of each other, prefferably in a nuclear war. By shifting most of his invesgtments out of the region, he will make a lot of maney if he succeds. The line:
“Starting a war between the arabs and the israelis, how hard can it be?” should be included in the script.
The sister's fiance turns out to be on juniors side after experiances during his posting in Afghanistan.
An extreme downhill skiing/snow schooter chase scene and the a fight inside a glacier hanging in ropes and fighting with knives and pick-axes could work in this scenario.
The title: the half-sister explains the reasons why she never liked staying in the family house.
“On the surface it allways seemed to be a happy home. But there was a underlying mood, just a whisper of hate....”
"A whisper of hate"
Produced by Broccoli/Wilson
written by Purvis/Wade/Tarantino
directed by Quentin Tarantino
title song writen by David Arnold and Jay-Z
Performed by Jay-z and Beyonce
The title's great- I wouldn't be surprised if that's on their list of possibilities (with "A Whisper Of Love" as an alternate). Don't think Tarantino's likely to be involved after his grumblings re CR, though!
Edit: As well as buying the CD, DVD, novelisation, T-shirt...
Yes indeed. It is a Timothy Zahn novel from "The Hand of Thrawn" Duology.
Nice way to slip in some politics.
I rethought my position on Bond taking on muslim terrorists and the like, it wouldn't work.
First of all, sadly I think, we are overexposed and desensitized to it in movies and TV, and to many people it wouldn't be 'fresh'.
Second, the only way such a movie would get released would be to inject it with so much PC trash and political assurances of "Most Muslims this" and "Most Jewish people that," that it would make the film unwatchable. Even with a great script, you have to be so careful not to offend anyone, otherwise the film won't get released, or there will be riots, killings, etc.
The secret CIA prison ships are just too good not to be used in a Bond film. The closest you get to that on film is the oil platform prison in Face/off, so it would certainly be fresh. A ship like that can be worked into another plot, without muslims or even terrorists.