Plot and title ideas for Bond 22

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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited July 2007
    although I'd venture that, the longer we have to wait for it, the less likely it's a 'Fleming' :#
    I hope that Bond 22 is given a Fleming title. If you think about it, 19 of the 21 official titles have a connection with Fleming (the first 15 films and CR, plus LTK, GE and TWINE.) My two least-favourite titles are Tomorrow Never Dies and Die Another Day; the two titles which have absolutely nothing to do with Fleming. I think Bonds 22 and 23 should be titled Risico and The Property Of A Lady.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
    How do the titles LTK and TWINE connect with Fleming? Just wondering, as I'm not that familiar with Fleming's books.
    1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

    1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited July 2007
    Jarvio wrote:
    How do the titles LTK and TWINE connect with Fleming? Just wondering, as I'm not that familiar with Fleming's books.
    I've never read Fleming either. However The World Is Not Enough is the Bond family motto, while having a Licence To Kill differentiates 00s from non-00s.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • highhopeshighhopes Posts: 1,358MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    The new personal assistance (played by Honeysucle Weeks http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0917320/) steps inn.
    In Bond 23 they discover what Villiers found a piece of in Bond 22, and the plot evolves from there.

    One thing about this particular young lady. She could appear in a Bond film under her own name.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,424MI6 Agent
    Her name is amazing, I agree. She got the name because the scent of honeysuckle was so strong when she was born. Flemming would have liked it, I think. she came to my attention playing the driver Sam in the BBC-series "Foyle's war".
    She is perfect. She isn't modelish or Bond girl hot, but she radiates witt, inteligence, charm and she is very cute. In my oppinion she reminds me of Lois Maxwell. She even moves like her, just like Craig moves like Connery!
  • JADE66JADE66 Posts: 238MI6 Agent
    Kingsley Amis, using the penname Robert Markham,
    wrote a passable entry in the Bond series after
    Fleming: COLONEL SUN. Pretty good book and a fine title. A Chinese Communist agent kidnaps M
    in order to draw Bond into a trap. Bond swallows the bait knowing he's walking into a trap but doesn't know what it's all about. The action takes place in and around Greece. The story is hard hitting and realistic without any of the silliness of the Benson/Gardner books. It would suit Daniel Craig well. It could also,
    with a little tweaking, tie in with Casino Royale by making the Colonel the man behind Mr. White.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,424MI6 Agent
    Both South Africa and (whisper it ...) Israel had (perhaps still has in the case of the last country?) a secret project to make a biological weapon that only works on people with certain DNA-patterns. That is of course blacks or arabs.
    I think we can forget Israel plotwise, but what about the aborted SA project?
    What if the leader of the project started a company that prodused medisine in Johannesburg, included cheap AIDS-meds for distrubution on the african continent. The evil plan is to incorporate the "medicine" that kills only black people into the cheap AIDS vaccine.
    The main villan also owns a mercenary company, one of many in SA.
    The medicine company tries to employ the leader of the british military anti-WMD research center, but he is not allowed because of the stuff he knows. They fake an accident to make it look like teh english scientist is dead, and then try to ship in to Jo-burg. MI6 find out and 007 is sent to kill him.
    M sends Bond to investigate the SA company and finds a young, black and beautiful doctor who works partly in the labs, partly in the field for the evil meds company. She is usefull to Bond, but she later turn on Bond because the villan tells her that Bond killed the british scientist.
    The brit was her professor (and lover) when she studied epidemics at Oxford.
    Mikael Persbrandt could play the main villan: http://www.dramaten.se/Global/Medverkande12/6DCEC97E-B35A-4589-8C81-C3EE9F1B467E.persbrandt.m.K600.jpg

    Or perhaps Viggo Mortensen could do the job?

    http://delivery.viewimages.com/xv/71867608.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19396908EAF14430D35B071870DA5D6FD4C05FC93FA9F062883
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Both South Africa and (whisper it ...) Israel had (perhaps still has in the case of the last country?) a secret project to make a biological weapon that only works on people with certain DNA-patterns. That is of course blacks or arabs.
    Number24, could you perhaps think of one plot that doesn't involve Arabs (and Blacks)? One thing I appreciated about CR was that it was quite vague. Let's keep it that way.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,424MI6 Agent
    Well, it doesn't involve arabs ...
    Honestly, I think the audience is tired of plots about secret weapons placed in outer space or stolen atom bombs. It is important to use plot lines that seem ripped from the headlines, and themes like ethnic clensing, racism, nationalism, huge companies etc are just that.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,424MI6 Agent
    I have also suggested a plot that could potentially be filmed with opnly blond people in it (invluding Bond!): The "Dreamfall" plot.
    It revolved around the loss of privacy in the electronic world, and didn't include a single arab or african.
    So there!
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,424MI6 Agent
    Part of the reason I posted this idea was boredom after weeks of very little happening on AJB007.
    That mindnumbing debate about "will the next bond film be funnier" after a comment Craig made that he's probably forgotten long ago. Lets's do something more interesting. If that's critizising the number of arabs in my plot ideas, so fine by me! I'm glad Dan Same found something debateable, so thank you to him.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,424MI6 Agent
    I'm trying to think of a title. Perhaps something a bit Joseph Conrad-like?
    "Heart of Evil" perhaps?

    Or perhaps the name of the medicine, some cool one-word title?
  • RobertSMillerRobertSMiller Posts: 21MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Well, it doesn't involve arabs ...
    Honestly, I think the audience is tired of plots about secret weapons placed in outer space or stolen atom bombs. It is important to use plot lines that seem ripped from the headlines, and themes like ethnic clensing, racism, nationalism, huge companies etc are just that.

    The thing is, not everyone is a hippie.

    Wait, did I just say hippies are the only people who care about AIDS and Africa? No, but thats who is going praise that film as hard hitting and progressive and ****. The rest of us don't want politics in Bond movies.
  • RobertSMillerRobertSMiller Posts: 21MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Well, it doesn't involve arabs ...
    Honestly, I think the audience is tired of plots about secret weapons placed in outer space or stolen atom bombs. It is important to use plot lines that seem ripped from the headlines, and themes like ethnic clensing, racism, nationalism, huge companies etc are just that.

    The thing is, not everyone is a hippie.

    Wait, did I just say hippies are the only people who care about AIDS and Africa? No, but thats who is going praise that film as hard hitting and progressive and ****. The rest of us don't want politics in Bond movies. Theres no reason to get preachy, or have "black people" as you put it just for the sake of having "black people."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,424MI6 Agent
    Isn't oil a political issue (TWINE)?
    Or terrorism (CR)?
    Or the fall of Soviet communism (GE)?
    Or the power of mass media (TND)?

    Silly man, did you really think there wasn't a littel bit of politics in many Bond movies?

    The plots I have suggested need not be more political than the Brosnan films. There are no reason why there can't be beautiful women, action scenes, exotic locations and evil villans in the stories I have suggested.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,424MI6 Agent
    And your issues about "black people", what is that about? I don't think they should be in Bond people is an end in itself. I HAVE written once that I would like to see a black leading lady in a Bond film, but that is for variation and not for political correctness.
    As for my story; I read about the disgusting project of the former aparteid governements of SA and thought it would be a great idea for a Bond film. The fact that the aparteid system has fallen makes it less political (if I wanted it political I could have suggested the country that still tries to make weapons like that, but that would obviously be far too political)

    When it comes to Africa (and I have heard there are lots of black people there), the country is very popular in the movie buisness now:
    Hotel Rwanda, Blood diamond, Tears of the sun, The Constant Gardener and even some scenes in CR comes to mind. The Bond producers have been good at using popular themes like poker in CR, and Africa is far more in the public mind than it was ten years ago. That, not to mention wanting to see a good story being filmed is why i suggested this. Political correstness has nothing to do with it!
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    edited August 2007
    Number24 wrote:
    (if I wanted it political I could have suggested the country that still tries to make weapons like that, but that would obviously be far too political)

    Yes...well...thank heavens you're not still flogging that dead horse 8-)
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,424MI6 Agent
    I think it's time for some clarefication:
    Oil was at least one of the themes of TWINE. But there was no lecture on the worlds dependancy on petrolium products, climate change etc. The villans plans revolved around monopolizing the oil pipelines from the Baku oilfields to the eastern Mediteraninan. But the motivations of the main characters were often personal, and teh film was full of action, adventure, romance, humor etc. It wasn't an "issue" film like "Blood diamond" and some other films. In terms of how the political side of the plot was handled, I saw my idea to be like TWINE. I want a good action/ adventure film, but based on things that could really happen. And for god's sake: who of you think it's controversial for Bond to fight against the murder of large portions of the black population of Africa and other ereas of the world? It's not about politics - it's about a good story.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,424MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    (if I wanted it political I could have suggested the country that still tries to make weapons like that, but that would obviously be far too political)

    Yes...well...thank heavens you're not still flogging that dead horse 8-)

    Could you please find the post where I suggest Israel or israeli politics to be the villan, Loeffelholz?
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    edited August 2007
    Number24 wrote:
    Number24 wrote:
    (if I wanted it political I could have suggested the country that still tries to make weapons like that, but that would obviously be far too political)

    Yes...well...thank heavens you're not still flogging that dead horse 8-)

    Could you please find the post where I suggest Israel or israeli politics to be the villan, Loeffelholz?

    You've been implying conspiratorial nonsense over the past couple of pages ("whisper it..." 8-) )...but no: You haven't actually suggested it---until just now, that is ;)

    I'll not fight with you---or anyone else---over politics here. Others might embrace your notions, but I find your veiled subtext all the more objectionable for its weak intellectual camouflage.

    But do carry on, and at least have the courage to stand behind your convictions. You'll get no more out of me on the subject.
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    "I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
    "Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited August 2007
    Number24, one of the things I love about Bond is that while there might be a political subtext, it is often quite vague. I have no desire whatsoever to see a Bond film with Muslim/Arab terrorists or a film featuring someone wanting to kill Blacks. It leaves an unpleasant taste in my mouth and it is not something that I connect with Bond. DAD had a North Korean as a villain, but he was a rogue. CR had a banker for the terrorists, in which the terrorists were not specifically mentioned, and I would prefer that we leave it at that. Plus, you may say that it does not have anything to do with politics, but every plot you suggest seems to be connected to Blacks or (especially) Arabs.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • 72897289 Beau DesertPosts: 1,691MI6 Agent
    If your interested in a "global warming" feature I'd recommend the "Avengers" film - starring former Bond - the retired SC!

    Of course, its a terrible movie and a worse idea for a Bond film - like Bond fighting genocide.
    Just wait a bit - I am sure Michael Moore will go international any time now - a perfect venue for him!

    For a real Bond film - I wish they'd just remake "Live and Let Die" and stick with Fleming and keep the he** out of politics!
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,424MI6 Agent
    I too like the "politics", if any, In a Bond film to be veilded. Like I said in an earlier post i don't think the politics in my ideas would be any more in the forefront in the plot than it was in most Brosnan Bond films. In fact I didn't think of them as very political until you lot started post about how horribly political it is. It's just that I think the best way to come up with a plot idea is to find the motivation and plans of the villan, becaquse this usually moves the story in the start of a film.
    About Israel: I have never (and will never) suggest a plot where Israel is the villan. I just wanted to read it from you, because the comment you had about "flogging a dead horse" suggested otherwise.
    But I still think Israel is a good location.
  • Harry PalmerHarry Palmer Somewhere in the past ...Posts: 325MI6 Agent
    edited August 2007
    Number24 wrote:
    Both South Africa and (whisper it ...) Israel had (perhaps still has in the case of the last country?) a secret project to make a biological weapon that only works on people with certain DNA-patterns. That is of course blacks or arabs.

    I love this concept. OHMSS meets Octopussy (the movie): An evil megalomaniac is working on a bomb that releases a peanut-flavoured gas... Bond's mission is to infiltrate the lab and destroy the project. The drama is compounded by the dreadful news that both Prince Charles and M are highly allergic to peanuts. The poison-gas is called "Solace", warranting the obvious Flemingesque title.


    Joking aside:

    My serious suggestion would be the following:

    Bond is trying to track down and kill a member of Mr White's organisation (Vesper's boyfriend, if you like, it doesn't really matter to me). At the last minute his orders change and he must bring the man in for questioning. On the way to headquarters the man is killed.

    Bond sets out to pick up the trail with a furious M breathing down his neck. He catches up with his man (the hitman, who turns out to be a woman) in Berlin at an auction which is in fact a money-laundering (and secret payment) scheme for the organisation (cf. Property of a Lady). He then follows the woman to a villa in a remote coastal village in Sicily and there stumbles onto some fishy operation that the organization is currently involved in (could be arms trafficking or, more simply, smuggling of drugs between Europe and North Africa... once again all part of the bigger "money-laundering for terrorists" picture).

    From there its the last third of the movie based entirely on "Risico".

    Title: either "Property of a Lady" or "Risico".
    1. Cr, 2. Ltk, 3. Tld, 4. Qs, 5. Ohmss, 6. Twine, 7. Tnd, 8. Tswlm, 9. Frwl, 10. Tb, 11. Ge, 12. Gf, 13. Dn, 14. Mr, 15. Op, 16. Yolt, 17. Sf, 18. Daf, 19. Avtak, 20. Sp, 21. Fyeo, 22. Dad, 23. Lald, 24. Tmwtgg
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,424MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Both South Africa and (whisper it ...) Israel had (perhaps still has in the case of the last country?) a secret project to make a biological weapon that only works on people with certain DNA-patterns. That is of course blacks or arabs.

    I love this concept. OHMSS meets Octopussy (the movie): An evil megalomaniac is working on a bomb that releases a peanut-flavoured gas... Bond's mission is to infiltrate the lab and destroy the project. The drama is compounded by the dreadful news that both Prince Charles and M are highly allergic to peanuts. The poison-gas is called "Solace", warranting the obvious Flemingesque title.


    Joking aside:

    My serious suggestion would be the following:

    Bond is trying to track down and kill a member of Mr White's organisation (Vesper's boyfriend, if you like, it doesn't really matter to me). At the last minute his orders change and he must bring the man in for questioning. On the way to headquarters the man is killed.

    Bond sets out to pick up the trail with a furious M breathing down his neck. He catches up with his man (the hitman, who turns out to be a woman) in Berlin at an auction which is in fact a money-laundering (and secret payment) scheme for the organisation (cf. Property of a Lady). He then follows the woman to a villa in a remote coastal village in Sicily and there stumbles onto some fishy operation that the organization is currently involved in (could be arms trafficking or, more simply, smuggling of drugs between Europe and North Africa... once again all part of the bigger "money-laundering for terrorists" picture).

    From there its the last third of the movie based entirely on "Risico".

    Title: either "Property of a Lady" or "Risico".


    My plot ideas have been critizised for being too close to real world politics, and now they are too fantastical and big .....
    And honestly, Harry Palmer, I find your critisism to be far more damaging. I have allways thought that my ideas are too grand. Bond doesn't save the world, he just saves continents in my plots.
    My plot ideas are just too big, I wish I could write "smaller" plots like you. I enjoyed your plot idea{[]
    The "too political" critizism of others was right in the begining. The "Opposite number" idea (Norwegian shipping/oil tycoon tries to destroy the Middle East was too political, and I knew it. I just thought it was a fine idea to write out anyway. But the "too political" nagging on my last plot idea, God ....
    I can just see the headlines:
    White Power Weekly: "How can Bond save all those N*****RS. Bond has become a traitor to the white race!"
    Aparteid Historical Rewiev: "Now even Bond buys into the liberal aparteid-was-bad propaganda. Leave our beautiful memories of racial segregation alone!"

    How could the Bond francise survive this kind of baclash for such a controvertial story line? :v
  • Harry PalmerHarry Palmer Somewhere in the past ...Posts: 325MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    I wish I could write "smaller" plots like you. I enjoyed your plot idea{[]

    Hi Number,
    I'm glad you like the plot. I generally prefer smaller plots too, but in all fairness my idea was mostly a collage of Fleming short-stories with minor changes to tie them together; so it's really Fleming who deserves the credit.
    1. Cr, 2. Ltk, 3. Tld, 4. Qs, 5. Ohmss, 6. Twine, 7. Tnd, 8. Tswlm, 9. Frwl, 10. Tb, 11. Ge, 12. Gf, 13. Dn, 14. Mr, 15. Op, 16. Yolt, 17. Sf, 18. Daf, 19. Avtak, 20. Sp, 21. Fyeo, 22. Dad, 23. Lald, 24. Tmwtgg
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,424MI6 Agent
    I have to admitt I haven't read teh short stories yet, but still: good story!
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 22,424MI6 Agent
    This is an idea for an action scene that would be completely fresh and spectacular: an earthquake!
    Imagine an earthquake starting up in the middel of a fight. It would be amazing! It would be a difficult scene to shoot, probably involving models, mecanical special effects and CGI.
    If doen right, it could be one of the greatest (in many ways) action scenes in teh series.
  • SeanConnery007SeanConnery007 The Bond Archive - London, EngPosts: 169MI6 Agent
    Has anyone else seen the poster for Bond 22 with the title 'Quatum Of Solace'? You can see it in this video;

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=n4EK05JoDOw

    The poster appears at 35 seconds
    Is this real? Or just fan made?
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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited August 2007
    Has anyone else seen the poster for Bond 22 with the title 'Quatum Of Solace'? You can see it in this video;

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=n4EK05JoDOw

    The poster appears at 35 seconds
    Is this real? Or just fan made?
    I doubt that it's real. For one thing, the actor in the poster doesn't IMO particularly look like Craig. Plus, Quantum Of Solace is a very uncommercial title and I find it hard to believe that any movie studio would allow a film to be released with a title that sounds like the film is about a scientist, instead of a secret agent. ;)
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
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