Why no honour for Dalton?
cassidybond
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I've been reading a great deal about the Bond actors recently and I was pretty suprised to learn that Connery, Moore and Brosnan all had honours from the Queen but that Timothy Dalton does not. I find it completely unbelievable that Dalton has not yet recieved any recogintion in regards to his services to acting etc and indeed to charity because he has given a great deal of money in aid of the British theatre and was a key actor in the campaign to save the Rose. Such a great actor deserves some recognition, shame really - or does he actually have one? Anyone shed some light on this?
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Lazenby and Dalton are the cult Bonds, the 007 ugly ducklings that left 3 films that are increasingly gaining affection and respect. (Include me in)
Perhaps my answer seems too crass, cassidybond. But the world sometimes honours those that succeed much more than those that do not.
Take solace in the fact that Dalton has achieved a piece of immortality as the moodiest, meanest and most Fleming-like 007. The only 007 who DARED you to dislike him.
That is cool.
"Yes...I got the message."
I agree with you, BZ, but I daresay that Mr. Craig is giving Tim a run for his money in this regard...albeit buoyed by thunderous success in his first outing...
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
But the difference, I feel, is subtle and distinct.
Dalton deliberately went against the grain of the Roger years without making any concessions to the audience.
"You want Bond? I'm going to give you Fleming's Bond."
Craig captures the ice-cold detachment of Bond better than anybody.
Whereas Dalton seemed internally conficted, Craig plays 007 as if he is a man who has nothing internal that will conflict.
Just as Dalton was unique, no other 007 dared to do what Craig did. Make a "blunt instrument" Bond that was more than a little cold around the heart. Sometimes its...frozen.
Is it just me, Loeff, but comparing the Bonds actually seems to enrich the performances in hindsight.
The secret success of the series is that there is a Bond for every taste.
It could automatically "re-boot" decades before there was even such a word.
Was Cubby lucky or a genius?
"Correct. You should have brought lilies."
This is certainly true as far as CR goes...but I predict that, post-Vesper, the weave of Craig-Bond's tapestry will become a bit more complex...particularly if one Hannes Oberhauser is added to the mix at some point...
Indeed. Very refreshing B-) Still, I'd keep an eye out for manifestations of internal conflict in the future... :v
No doubt about it.
I'd say, as with many successful people, it's a serendipitous blend of the two...
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
As for Dalton not recieving any recognition, it's scandalous! This established actor has years of acting under his belt and has been in a few popular series, Jane Eyre etc.... so why not?
Lazenby.....well he's not made that many films, so perhaps maybe he shouldn't?
@merseytart
He may be quite succesful. But you can't say he is in the same league as the others.
And you think the the others have?
Exactly if you are not a fan of Bond. You would more than likely not even hae heard of Dalton. Yet Moore, Connery and Brosnan are alot wider known and for alot more roles. Especially the latter 2. Hot Fuzz was one of those massively publicised films you get every now and then with the huge hype. Usually the low budget flicks. Although Dalton gave a good performance and deserved the publicity, I don't think the film did.
Of coure I know about it, it's on the news and in the papers constantly. I mean't the other bond actors not other people in general.
8-)
@merseytart
Explain the sarcasm please and try to be a little less patronising when doing it.
I mean, Dalton was nominated for a BAFTA for Mary Queen of Scots - according to Elbert - and put in an amazing performance as Phillip II in the Lion in Winter early in his career when he was very young but he shunned the publicity and rejected interview requests because he, as he has since admitted, was afraid of revealing anythinf about himself. He even shunned making movies at the age of 23 even though he was getting parts with actors the likes of O'Toole, Hepburn, Guiness, Harris and so forth. He always seemed to be insecure of himself somehow and the fact that he has consistently evaded publicity intentionaly is interesting whereas the likes of Brosnan etc clearly took their opportunities and as such widened their appeal.
Anyway I think he deserves an honour...:))
I'll explain it, since it was my joke. The question is, why no honour for Dalton? I thought that, given the whole cash for honours scandal, the idea of receiving any honour from this Government had been tainted by the implication that it was in some way purchased. I therefore made a sarcastic reference to the scandal and assumed that it would be taken as lightly as it was intended. It was not, as you seem to have perceived, intended as some sort of libellous accusation that Sir Sean and Sir Roger turned up at number 10 with a paper bag full of used fivers and requested something with a medal.
Now that's cleared up, we can all move along quietly and return to the topic in hand. Thank you.
@merseytart
I think bigzilcho hit on it, Dalton dared people to dislike him and he was pretty unapologetic about it...and it worked for me at least to evoke the literary Bond, the non-conforming "outsider." Despite the "blunt instrument" approach and all, Craig does come through as wanting to please with his performance as a likeable "blunt instrument," though that's to be expected.
It's definitely in the scripts, just telling by the Hollywood "hero code" that's been in place right up to before CR. What I meant is more of the impression given by the deliveries. Dalton, like Craig, indeed used contrast with his predecessor, though Dalton comes across saying, "yeah, so?" Whereas Craig seemed often too self-aware and sometimes vain in wanting to attract or draw attention to his rendition of his character.
Guess you're seeing things I'm not. Oh well.
That's the stage training showing through, which IMO was not necessarily an asset for him while doing Bond, like how Lawrence Olivier might have done it. I didn't think Dalton was anywhere near perfect. Some of his emoting could have been more subtle, but he might have been too hard coded to appeal to someone in the 5th row. Though, to be fair in using this analogy, IMO no one has yet done Bond like how a DeNiro would have approached it ala Scorsese, and that would be something special to see...for me at least.
Yep, I try to see things as they are, warts and all. No one Bond actor was ever "perfect," I'm sure you'd agree though I'm begining to think you might have an exception.
Yep: Connery.