I dislike the HK UMP for Bond because it's out of charecter.
It's acceptable for Bond to ocassionally use a long gun, but for me he's a handgun guy. A pistol is more to his charecter as a "secret agent", having him tote around a large "assault rifle" or submachine gun seems like overkill.
The last scene is CR'06 would have been just as effective if Bond had shot Mr. White with the silenced P99.
I dislike the HK UMP for Bond because it's out of charecter.
It's acceptable for Bond to ocassionally use a long gun, but for me he's a handgun guy. A pistol is more to his charecter as a "secret agent", having him tote around a large "assault rifle" or submachine gun seems like overkill.
To me, the use of the HK is perfectly appropriate---it 'steps things up' a notch, especially given where Bond is emotionally at the end of CR, and into the opening of QoS. To me, this qualifies perfectly as 'occasional' use. Every Bond before him has used automatic weapons at some point. I really doubt that he'll be toting it around for very long, but for me it works in the poster art as well as it worked for the finale of CR.
The last scene is CR'06 would have been just as effective if Bond had shot Mr. White with the silenced P99.
That would have been just fine, of course, but personally I'm glad they put the extra muscle in his shooting hand for that last shot of the film. The HK, coupled with the snappy blue suit, to me just screams 007 :007)
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I understand the observation that Bond's use of the HK is an "outward manifistation of his inner rage"*, but still as a Secret Agent, carrying such a piece around is for me OTT!
While the ocassional use of the SMG is understandable, the HK reminds me of the ridiculous "two gun" technique adopted by Brosnan which absolutely reeks "Hollywood".
No real gunman with ANY expierence shoots two firearms at once. Such behavior should be confined to kiddie sandboxes in those venues where toy guns are atill acceptable.
* Others may conjucture that the HK is nothing more than a phallic symbol placed at the end of the film to signify Bond's ability to re-assert his manhood after the beating by LeChiffre.
I understand the observation that Bond's use of the HK is an "outward manifistation of his inner rage"*, but still as a Secret Agent, carrying such a piece around is for me OTT!...* Others may conjucture that the HK is nothing more than a phallic symbol placed at the end of the film to signify Bond's ability to re-assert his manhood after the beating by LeChiffre.
Well...perhaps some things can be over-analyzed
Again, I don't really see him 'carrying it around' in QoS, and it sounds as if it's going to come in handy at the beginning of the next one... :v I'll bet we won't see it beyond the PTS (if even then)...care to wager a virtual beer on it? {[]
While the ocassional use of the SMG is understandable, the HK reminds me of the ridiculous "two gun" technique adopted by Brosnan which absolutely reeks "Hollywood".
Can't say whether they'll actually resort to Craig two-fisting...of course it's silly, but Brozzer looked very stylish wielding his double SMGs, and all of that one-handed automatic fire ) To me, the use of a single HK is quite far from such excess.
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Yes, that's a classic, all right :007) But it's just one of a number of different weapons he's going to be shooting in this one, I think---quite a few 'pick-ups' in the heat of action...
As I've said earlier in this thread, I'll always have soft spot in my heart for the PPK; I just wonder how much of it we'll actually see...
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I think that Bond should make good use of "pick-ups" since that is the best way for a resourceful agent to "pack heat".
Loeffelholz, (I can almost spell that now without checking!)
I'll wager real or virtual beer on many aspects of QOS, but agree that the UMP will not feature beyond the PTS.
I hope the Walther PPK makes only a brief appearance. The P99 was used less in CR'06 than it was in the previous films, but when it was utilized it was "quality" with realistic gunhandling - that's worth hours of "Brozzo" two-fisting machine pistols.
So let's hope there is a beliveable transition from the UMP and P99 back to the PPK - which Bond can loose after one quality scene, then look out bad guys as he dispatches them with their own firearms - and a few rough and tumble fights!
Wait a minute ASP9mm, are you saying the Walther PPK is a "ladies gun"?
Er, kinda, well er... not really, abit perhaps.
I'm sorry, (and perhaps my place is not on this thread....but...) that gun, a PPK? if I'm not mistaken...(see I am learning! ) in this photo http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u14/007C/Pic-3.jpg
just look ridiculous. To me, it does look like a ladies gun...and just seems, well, non Bondish {:)
I much prefer the bluntness and manly PPS.
But hey, I'm just a girl...what do I know! ;%
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Loeffelholz, (I can almost spell that now without checking!)
Now that's impressive
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I'm sorry, (and perhaps my place is not on this thread....but...) that gun, a PPK?...To me, it does look like a ladies gun...and just seems, well, non Bondish {:)
I much prefer the bluntness and manly PPS.
But hey, I'm just a girl...what do I know! ;%
Glad you edited that, Lex! Images copyrighted by Eon are verboten
As for the PPK being a "ladies' gun," well it's a .357 Magnum compared to the .25 Beretta it replaced ) In the films, Bond was issued the the PPK in DN, and carried it faithfully until Act 3 of TND...then he went to the P99.
I love the PPK---I even own a .380 version, one of the Interarms-distributed ones, B-) and I love shooting it---and it always made sense in terms of a 'concealed carry' role in the old days, but I'd reluctantly concede that it's smaller calibre and capacity are out-of-step with today's modern arms.
My argument has always been that Q branch should give Bond jazzed-up ammunition for it (armor-piercing, high-explosive, fragmentation, etc) to compensate B-)
She's got lovely lines, a design unchanged since the 1930s...but a ladies' gun? Not while I own one :v ...and non-Bondish?? Never!
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[quote=Lexi
To me, it does look like a ladies gun...and just seems, well, non Bondish {:)
I much prefer the bluntness and manly PPS.
But hey, I'm just a girl...what do I know! ;%[/quote]
Well Lexi, the PPK is a beautifully sculpted firearm - with classic lines LIKE a fine female figure. It's a relic from a bygone era when guns were constructed both for Looks and Function.
The modern PPS is more powerful, and practical. The PPS is as modern as tomarrow and is a whole different class of firearm when compared to the PPK. There are more tha a few fans who had hoped it would be Bond's new pistol!
But regardless how you see the PPK, it just doesn't get any more Bondian. Ian Fleming himself choose the PPK for oo7, and really only the PPK, the Beretta .25 (the original ladies gun) qualify as REAL Bond pistols. The Smith & Wesson Centennial and Long Barreled Colt .45 run close seconds as does the Walther P99.
Nice Photo of DC you included. Hadn't seen that one - THANKS!
As for the PPK being a "ladies' gun," well it's a .357 Magnum compared to the .25 Beretta it replaced ) In the films, Bond was issued the the PPK in DN, and carried it faithfully until Act 3 of TND...then he went to the P99.
Oh I knew that it was his gun for years, I guess I was just never really looking at it, reading about it (like I am on here) and seeing all these photos...so it was just an observation and perhaps my confession to ignorance on these things. However, I am still learning!
and it always made sense in terms of a 'concealed carry' role in the old days, but I'd reluctantly concede that it's smaller calibre and capacity are out-of-step with today's modern arms.
Yes, I understand the fact that it's a great weapon to conceal...but I suppose with images like we see in the teaser poster..I like the bluntness of his licence to kill status, and just prefer the PPS look.
From all of the pictures that I have seen so far from the shooting of the film, I haven't yet seen one showing him using a P99. He is seen using a PPK and in one picture from 007.com, the one where he is running toward the camera, he is using another gun, looks a bit slimmer than a P99. Possibly a PPS?
Found that pic the other day too.
Sorry to see a lack of P99, and to be honest, I think having the PPK because of tradition doesnt work for me. Unless they find a good plot device to get it in there.
The scene where Bond and Olga sit in a car: 007:"I think someone wants to kill you" and Olga whips out a gun ( a short and ugly gun). What do you guys see? Is that the Walther PPS that's supposedly going to make an appearance? Or is it a P99 compact?
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech
The scene where Bond and Olga sit in a car: 007:"I think someone wants to kill you" and Olga whips out a gun ( a short and ugly gun). What do you guys see? Is that the Walther PPS that's supposedly going to make an appearance? Or is it a P99 compact?
Hello and welcome.
It's too small to be a P99C or PPS. Looks like a Kel-Tec to me...
I am not quite sure what you mean by this. I tried to G'le it and came up with nothing but this thread.
Then I thought that maybe you were calling "revilo 94" for help. After reading through the whole thing I decided that that couldn't be it now could it?
So I am a bit lost here :v
Care to elaborate a bit?
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I am not quite sure what you mean by this. I tried to G'le it and came up with nothing but this thread.
Then I thought that maybe you were calling "revilo 94" for help. After reading through the whole thing I decided that that couldn't be it now could it?
So I am a bit lost here :v
Care to elaborate a bit?
It's his attempt at humour. His wit is still in the early developement stage, so you have to make allowances B-)
Hi Guys, I don't know if I am going over old ground but I remember someone asking about the revolver in the case. Well I have a screen grab if anyone is interested.
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Also the P99's image has been set in the fans and movie goers minds as part Bond for ten years now.
Not having one scene with makes no sense at all.
PS: Judging from the trailers so far does Do you think that the H&K UMP 9mm will be featured again?
It's acceptable for Bond to ocassionally use a long gun, but for me he's a handgun guy. A pistol is more to his charecter as a "secret agent", having him tote around a large "assault rifle" or submachine gun seems like overkill.
The last scene is CR'06 would have been just as effective if Bond had shot Mr. White with the silenced P99.
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
To me, the use of the HK is perfectly appropriate---it 'steps things up' a notch, especially given where Bond is emotionally at the end of CR, and into the opening of QoS. To me, this qualifies perfectly as 'occasional' use. Every Bond before him has used automatic weapons at some point. I really doubt that he'll be toting it around for very long, but for me it works in the poster art as well as it worked for the finale of CR.
That would have been just fine, of course, but personally I'm glad they put the extra muscle in his shooting hand for that last shot of the film. The HK, coupled with the snappy blue suit, to me just screams 007 :007)
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
While the ocassional use of the SMG is understandable, the HK reminds me of the ridiculous "two gun" technique adopted by Brosnan which absolutely reeks "Hollywood".
No real gunman with ANY expierence shoots two firearms at once. Such behavior should be confined to kiddie sandboxes in those venues where toy guns are atill acceptable.
* Others may conjucture that the HK is nothing more than a phallic symbol placed at the end of the film to signify Bond's ability to re-assert his manhood after the beating by LeChiffre.
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
Well...perhaps some things can be over-analyzed
Again, I don't really see him 'carrying it around' in QoS, and it sounds as if it's going to come in handy at the beginning of the next one... :v I'll bet we won't see it beyond the PTS (if even then)...care to wager a virtual beer on it? {[]
Can't say whether they'll actually resort to Craig two-fisting...of course it's silly, but Brozzer looked very stylish wielding his double SMGs, and all of that one-handed automatic fire
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Yes, that's a classic, all right :007) But it's just one of a number of different weapons he's going to be shooting in this one, I think---quite a few 'pick-ups' in the heat of action...
As I've said earlier in this thread, I'll always have soft spot in my heart for the PPK; I just wonder how much of it we'll actually see...
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Loeffelholz, (I can almost spell that now without checking!)
I'll wager real or virtual beer on many aspects of QOS, but agree that the UMP will not feature beyond the PTS.
I hope the Walther PPK makes only a brief appearance. The P99 was used less in CR'06 than it was in the previous films, but when it was utilized it was "quality" with realistic gunhandling - that's worth hours of "Brozzo" two-fisting machine pistols.
So let's hope there is a beliveable transition from the UMP and P99 back to the PPK - which Bond can loose after one quality scene, then look out bad guys as he dispatches them with their own firearms - and a few rough and tumble fights!
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
I'm sorry, (and perhaps my place is not on this thread....but...) that gun, a PPK? if I'm not mistaken...(see I am learning! ) in this photo
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u14/007C/Pic-3.jpg
just look ridiculous. To me, it does look like a ladies gun...and just seems, well, non Bondish {:)
I much prefer the bluntness and manly PPS.
But hey, I'm just a girl...what do I know! ;%
Now that's impressive
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Glad you edited that, Lex! Images copyrighted by Eon are verboten
As for the PPK being a "ladies' gun," well it's a .357 Magnum compared to the .25 Beretta it replaced
I love the PPK---I even own a .380 version, one of the Interarms-distributed ones, B-) and I love shooting it---and it always made sense in terms of a 'concealed carry' role in the old days, but I'd reluctantly concede that it's smaller calibre and capacity are out-of-step with today's modern arms.
My argument has always been that Q branch should give Bond jazzed-up ammunition for it (armor-piercing, high-explosive, fragmentation, etc) to compensate B-)
She's got lovely lines, a design unchanged since the 1930s...but a ladies' gun? Not while I own one :v ...and non-Bondish?? Never!
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
To me, it does look like a ladies gun...and just seems, well, non Bondish {:)
I much prefer the bluntness and manly PPS.
But hey, I'm just a girl...what do I know! ;%[/quote]
Well Lexi, the PPK is a beautifully sculpted firearm - with classic lines LIKE a fine female figure. It's a relic from a bygone era when guns were constructed both for Looks and Function.
The modern PPS is more powerful, and practical. The PPS is as modern as tomarrow and is a whole different class of firearm when compared to the PPK. There are more tha a few fans who had hoped it would be Bond's new pistol!
But regardless how you see the PPK, it just doesn't get any more Bondian. Ian Fleming himself choose the PPK for oo7, and really only the PPK, the Beretta .25 (the original ladies gun) qualify as REAL Bond pistols. The Smith & Wesson Centennial and Long Barreled Colt .45 run close seconds as does the Walther P99.
Nice Photo of DC you included. Hadn't seen that one - THANKS!
Bond’s Beretta
The Handguns of Ian Fleming's James Bond
Oh I knew that it was his gun for years, I guess I was just never really looking at it, reading about it (like I am on here) and seeing all these photos...so it was just an observation and perhaps my confession to ignorance on these things. However, I am still learning!
Yes, I understand the fact that it's a great weapon to conceal...but I suppose with images like we see in the teaser poster..I like the bluntness of his licence to kill status, and just prefer the PPS look.
Perhaps this is where my seeing Craig as a more rugged Bond is blurring the lines of wanting to see him with a more rugged firearm.
http://www.007.com/#/gallery
http://www.jamesbond.de/wp-content/gallery/quantum-of-solace/szenenbild_16jpeg_466x700.jpg
Sorry to see a lack of P99, and to be honest, I think having the PPK because of tradition doesnt work for me. Unless they find a good plot device to get it in there.
Sig 226 makes sense.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/film/article1638223.ece
Can someone ID it?
This is my first post.
The scene where Bond and Olga sit in a car: 007:"I think someone wants to kill you" and Olga whips out a gun ( a short and ugly gun). What do you guys see? Is that the Walther PPS that's supposedly going to make an appearance? Or is it a P99 compact?
-Mr Arlington Beech
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Hello and welcome.
It's too small to be a P99C or PPS. Looks like a Kel-Tec to me...
I am not quite sure what you mean by this. I tried to G'le it and came up with nothing but this thread.
Then I thought that maybe you were calling "revilo 94" for help. After reading through the whole thing I decided that that couldn't be it now could it?
So I am a bit lost here :v
Care to elaborate a bit?
-Mr Arlington Beech
It's his attempt at humour. His wit is still in the early developement stage, so you have to make allowances B-)
Will do!
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http://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/collections/modules/gallery/data/images/000474.jpg
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