I think the SIG P210 with gold enlay must be a special Tom Ford edition. I'm sure Bond will be issued a diamond encrusted PPS in the next film "TOM FORD Presents Daniel Craig as Ian Fleming's James Bond in 'Bespoke or Death'"
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Alright, I get people are annoyed with Tom Ford, but those jokes have just been killed with overuse.
Well there are a few quesses: First one was Keltec .380, and it does look like it in the trailer, but... After surfing the web, I have to admit that the world is full of suitable .380 cal pocket pistols. Check out for example Ruger LCP or Magnum Research Micro Eagle, they both look enough like Keltec to make recognition allmost impossible with the info we have so far. ?:)
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech
I think that the SIG sauer P226 is a good choice of weapon for Bond, not only is it widely used by Western intelligence agencies in the real world but also, given Bond's reimagined back story as a former member of the SBS, it is a weapon that he would be well experienced with.
It is common knowledge that British armed, police & intelligence forces have not used the Walther PPK since 1974. The fact that this is common knowledge means that it would be an excellent choice of weapon for a deniable operative.;)
I think a trick or two may have been missed with the Heckler and Koch.Not only is there a shoulder holster rig available for this weapon(!) but also Heckler & Koch manufacture a mock briefcase which the weapon can be concealed in and fired from.
These strike me as being very Bondian adaptations, so it would have been impressive to have seen Bond make use of them.
Nevertheless, I think more thought has been put into the question of what firearms Bond would use & why, than has been the case since Geoffrey Boothroyd first wrote to Ian Fleming.
(Even there, I think Boothroyd lost sight of what Bond does for a living, which is something I don't think has happened here)
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,541MI6 Agent
Actually, the PPK IS still in use with the British Armed Forces.
Actually, the PPK IS still in use with the British Armed Forces.
It is? They kept that very quiet! Who's using it?
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,541MI6 Agent
Up until the late nineties it was standard issue to 14 Int in Northern Ireland along with two Browning Hi powers and various longs. These were mainly used for deep cover situations or for women in hotter months were concealment became an issue. 14 Int have recently been amalgamated into The Special Reconnaisannce Regiment where the PPK holds the same place in ops to a lesser degree.
As 14 Int and SRR are a very secretive and lesser known unit in most parts of the world and even the UK, the use of the PPK is not widely known. It is very rareley the primary sidearm though.
Up until the late nineties it was standard issue to 14 Int in Northern Ireland along with two Browning Hi powers and various longs. These were mainly used for deep cover situations or for women in hotter months were concealment became an issue. 14 Int have recently been amalgamated into The Special Reconnaisannce Regiment where the PPK holds the same place in ops to a lesser degree.
As 14 Int and SRR are a very secretive and lesser known unit in most parts of the world and even the UK, the use of the PPK is not widely known. It is very rareley the primary sidearm though.
The artists formerly known as The Det! I should've realised. I was aware that they used to issue PPK's , however I didn't realise that they're still doing so.Sly devils.
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,541MI6 Agent
Do someone know which of SigSauer P226 and Walther PPK that will be the primary sidearm?
Looking at what we have seen it looks like he is using the PPK as his primary. We have seen pictures of him pulling if from a IWB holster during the first chase and another when he is using his tux. It seems to be his own personal sidearm and not issued to him. I am almost positive he picks up the P226 near the finale, for an extra bit of firepower.
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,541MI6 Agent
Polymer frame though. Camilles pistol is definately not a polymer frame.
I just gotta ask: How do know this for sure ?:)
Besides; Kel-Tec says that their pistols have frames made from "solid 7075-T6 aluminum and houses the firing mechanism..." and grips made from "...ultra high impact polymer Dupont ST-8018. The grip also forms the magazine well and the trigger guard." :007) And she allready drives a polymer car...... )
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,541MI6 Agent
Polymer frame though. Camilles pistol is definately not a polymer frame.
I just gotta ask: How do know this for sure ?:)
Besides; Kel-Tec says that their pistols have frames made from "solid 7075-T6 aluminum and houses the firing mechanism..." and grips made from "...ultra high impact polymer Dupont ST-8018. The grip also forms the magazine well and the trigger guard." :007) And she allready drives a polymer car...... )
Actually, I take that back. I was somehow thinking that she had a stainless steel pistol for a second. Don't know how or why I got that into my head. Havn't been drinking either
Don't know how or why I got that into my head. Havn't been drinking either
DAMN YOU!!!! I have been wathing "Bond Girl Diaries" instead of working trying to sneek a peek of Camilles.... gun? And now you tell me it has all been in vain Go and get your self a drink man! I know I will.... right after I have finished BGD:s
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech
I have now watched "the BG Diaries", and: Camilles gun has a recoil spring guide rod that shows at the business end of the gun. And (this could go to the bad quality of the u-toob video) I think I see external extractor, but this I am not quite sure about. It also looks like a doublestack on one fight scene, but this could be a "pick-up".
But for some reason I'm starting to think about Beretta 9000S type D.
"I mean, she almost kills bond...with her ass."
-Mr Arlington Beech
It is a bit of an assumption that it is his PPK because you cannot see it. However he seems to use only one gun in this scene and every shot has been with him and the PPK from the safehouse to the chase above ground.
Probably is the PPK, but it SHOULD be the P99. Sorry, I am not a traditionalist and it makes no sense for a modern Bond like Craig to switch to a purse pistol like the PPK in today's world. I hope they explain the switch in a logical manner but they probably won't. It may not even be his main gun, but it appears that way. I think the SIG is a pick-up weapon. I would like Bond to stay with Walther (Not a PPK) as his primary but perhaps it is the SIG and if that is the case, it should be a 229 instead of a 226 IMO. This film is too confusing with it's firearms, I need more info! )
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,541MI6 Agent
edited October 2008
He lost the P99 during the Venice shoot out. He seems to have acquired the suppressed UMP from one of Gettlers thugs, as this was what they were shooting at him with. How he gets the PPK is anyones guess at the moment. He does pick up the P226 and the P210 on his journey, and we'll find out how upon watching the film.
Most of us agree that the PPK is not what this Bond should carry as he is too offensive in his attack, and should be armed accordingly. IMO he should carry the small PPS as his personal sidearm, and the P99 as his back up car weapon if he feels he is going to meet trouble. Casino Royale got this absolutely right. I hope this does not go to crap in QOS. I hope he uses the PPK as a personal sidearm outside of his employ, and it is not just Eon doing it to appease the fans without any explanation.
He lost the P99 during the Venice shoot out. He seems to have acquired the suppressed UMP from one of Gettlers thugs, as this was what they were shooting at him with. How he gets the PPK is anyones guess at the moment. He does pick up the P226 and the P210 on his journey, and we'll find out how upon watching the film.
Most of us agree that the PPK is not what this Bond should carry as he is too offensive in his attack, and should be armed accordingly. IMO he should carry the small PPS as his personal sidearm, and the P99 as his back up car weapon if he feels he is going to meet trouble. Casino Royale got this absolutely right. I hope this does not go to crap in QOS. I hope he uses the PPK as a personal sidearm outside of his employ, and it is not just Eon doing it to appease the fans without any explanation.
Isn't it impossible for Bond to have picked up his UMP from them considering they are all firing .45 versions and Bond's is clearly a UMP9?
I think the PPK was a personal choice by Craig himself as he has become enamored with Fleming's Bond. I don't have much of a problem with him using it anymore for a couple of reasons.
First it does seem to be his personal firearm. His P99 seems to be what MI6 issues him and he lost it in the battle at the end of CR. If he really just went straight from the boat to Mr. White's home it makes sense for him not to get another. tthough wouldn't he have gotten his new Aston from MI6?
Secondly we know from the trailers that at some point he goes off the grind. If that is the case MI6 will not be supplying him with anything. Why he we see him with the Sig pick ups.
It also does make sense for him to have a smaller gun to go with his tux. Can't conceal much in them.
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Well there are a few quesses: First one was Keltec .380, and it does look like it in the trailer, but... After surfing the web, I have to admit that the world is full of suitable .380 cal pocket pistols. Check out for example Ruger LCP or Magnum Research Micro Eagle, they both look enough like Keltec to make recognition allmost impossible with the info we have so far. ?:)
-Mr Arlington Beech
Hopefully not an STD if Bond is getting built in there
-Mr Arlington Beech
It is common knowledge that British armed, police & intelligence forces have not used the Walther PPK since 1974. The fact that this is common knowledge means that it would be an excellent choice of weapon for a deniable operative.;)
I think a trick or two may have been missed with the Heckler and Koch.Not only is there a shoulder holster rig available for this weapon(!) but also Heckler & Koch manufacture a mock briefcase which the weapon can be concealed in and fired from.
These strike me as being very Bondian adaptations, so it would have been impressive to have seen Bond make use of them.
Nevertheless, I think more thought has been put into the question of what firearms Bond would use & why, than has been the case since Geoffrey Boothroyd first wrote to Ian Fleming.
(Even there, I think Boothroyd lost sight of what Bond does for a living, which is something I don't think has happened here)
As 14 Int and SRR are a very secretive and lesser known unit in most parts of the world and even the UK, the use of the PPK is not widely known. It is very rareley the primary sidearm though.
Indeed
Looking at what we have seen it looks like he is using the PPK as his primary. We have seen pictures of him pulling if from a IWB holster during the first chase and another when he is using his tux. It seems to be his own personal sidearm and not issued to him. I am almost positive he picks up the P226 near the finale, for an extra bit of firepower.
My bet is on a Kel-Tec or Seecamp...
Yes, yes, but.... that new Ruger looks so much like Kel-Tec that it's mindboggling!!!
-Mr Arlington Beech
Polymer frame though. Camilles pistol is definately not a polymer frame.
I just gotta ask: How do know this for sure ?:)
Besides; Kel-Tec says that their pistols have frames made from "solid 7075-T6 aluminum and houses the firing mechanism..." and grips made from "...ultra high impact polymer Dupont ST-8018. The grip also forms the magazine well and the trigger guard." :007) And she allready drives a polymer car......
-Mr Arlington Beech
Actually, I take that back. I was somehow thinking that she had a stainless steel pistol for a second. Don't know how or why I got that into my head. Havn't been drinking either
DAMN YOU!!!! I have been wathing "Bond Girl Diaries" instead of working trying to sneek a peek of Camilles.... gun?
-Mr Arlington Beech
I have now watched "the BG Diaries", and: Camilles gun has a recoil spring guide rod that shows at the business end of the gun. And (this could go to the bad quality of the u-toob video) I think I see external extractor, but this I am not quite sure about. It also looks like a doublestack on one fight scene, but this could be a "pick-up".
But for some reason I'm starting to think about Beretta 9000S type D.
-Mr Arlington Beech
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It is a bit of an assumption that it is his PPK because you cannot see it. However he seems to use only one gun in this scene and every shot has been with him and the PPK from the safehouse to the chase above ground.
Sorry for jumping to conclusions.
Most of us agree that the PPK is not what this Bond should carry as he is too offensive in his attack, and should be armed accordingly. IMO he should carry the small PPS as his personal sidearm, and the P99 as his back up car weapon if he feels he is going to meet trouble. Casino Royale got this absolutely right. I hope this does not go to crap in QOS. I hope he uses the PPK as a personal sidearm outside of his employ, and it is not just Eon doing it to appease the fans without any explanation.
Isn't it impossible for Bond to have picked up his UMP from them considering they are all firing .45 versions and Bond's is clearly a UMP9?
I think the PPK was a personal choice by Craig himself as he has become enamored with Fleming's Bond. I don't have much of a problem with him using it anymore for a couple of reasons.
First it does seem to be his personal firearm. His P99 seems to be what MI6 issues him and he lost it in the battle at the end of CR. If he really just went straight from the boat to Mr. White's home it makes sense for him not to get another. tthough wouldn't he have gotten his new Aston from MI6?
Secondly we know from the trailers that at some point he goes off the grind. If that is the case MI6 will not be supplying him with anything. Why he we see him with the Sig pick ups.
It also does make sense for him to have a smaller gun to go with his tux. Can't conceal much in them.