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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,489MI6 Agent
    And, on a pragmatic note, difficult to accomplish...
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,489MI6 Agent
    This on model mayhem (don't ask why I was on that):


    http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=325082
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,307MI6 Agent
    edited August 2008
    In addition to the Angelina Jolie as Catwoman story, there are now rumblings that WB has already approached Johnny Depp to play the Riddler and Philip Seymour Hoffman to play the Penguin in the next Batman movie.

    This isn't the first time the notion of Hoffman as Penguin has cropped up but personally, I don't really buy into any of these stories. Its just too soon to be talking casting for a movie that's most likely three years away. There probably isn't even a story yet (never mind script) and I'm sure Nolan, Bale & company would like to take some time off and do another project (like they did with The Prestige) before thinking about diving into another Batman movie. And if past experience is anything to go by Nolan tends to avoid big name stars like Depp in favor of solid actors who aren't household names and can thus more easily disappear into their roles.

    Anyhow, the link to the article is here:

    http://movies.ign.com/articles/895/895689p1.html
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Heath Ledger
    Played a brilliant villain, but only a sub-par Joker. I refuse to kiss his arse merely because he's six feet under
    No tearing to shreds here...merely standing back in humble admiration of your sensitive turn of phrase.
    I respect your misgivings with the TDK, G.O. but given the circumstances, I too felt that this part was a little...uh, "ouch" ? :s
    G.O. Rogue and Loeff's responses reflect my feelings, but something tells me that when your significant other asks you if her bum looks too big in something, you don't take the diplomatic route. :p :))
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    Both me and a friend of mine felt strongly enough to turn and actually make a point, during the film, of how Gyllenhaal just isn't remotely attractive. Ugh.

    Right, that's it. I'll take all of you! NP, General, General's mate, outside now. You've insulted my lady for the last time. C'mon en. X-( :))
  • NightshooterNightshooter In bed with SolitairePosts: 2,917MI6 Agent
    Want to throw in my two cents about Maggie G.:

    Yes, she's ugly. But that isn't why Batman loves her.

    She is Bruce's longest friend, she's intelligent, and she is perhaps the only person who truly understand and can sympathize with his plight (other than Alfred, of course). In addition, she loves Bruce for Bruce, not for Batman and not for his money. something that Wayne doesn't often get.

    Now, why Harvey loves her?
    Um... you got me. Has a thing for ugly chicks with law degrees?
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited August 2008
    Now, why Harvey loves her?
    Um... you got me. Has a thing for ugly chicks with law degrees?
    I don't think she's ugly. ;) Seriously, while I don't find her to be particularly attractive, I do think she's nice looking, and if Bond can fall in love with Eva Green in CR, why can't Harvey fall in love with Maggie G. :v :))

    The other thing that should be noted is that Harvey is only a prosecutor. If Rachel was some exotically gorgeous goddess, she might come across as out of his league, and in a Nolan-directed realist film, we wouldn't want that. :v
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • NightshooterNightshooter In bed with SolitairePosts: 2,917MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:

    The other thing that should be noted is that Harvey is only a prosecutor. If Rachel was some exotically gorgeous goddess, she might come across as out of his league, and in a Nolan-directed realist film, we wouldn't want that. :v

    Good point. But Harvey is a pretty famous prosecutor- he IS Gotham's White Knight.
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    edited August 2008
    Dan Same wrote:
    I don't think she's ugly. ;) Seriously, while I don't find her to be particularly attractive, I do think she's nice looking

    I agree, Dan...and as a bonus, I'll ignore your 1,047th swipe at my girl Eva X-( :D

    Poor Maggie's getting piled-upon, here. She's not a classic beauty, true enough, but IMO she's a vast improvement---in acting chops---over the much prettier (and vapid) Katie Holmes. Maggie looks like the girl next door...and I rather liked the way she put some curves in her evening gowns. I think she did have appreciable chemistry with both Bale and Eckhardt, and is one of the many, many things that made TDK the astounding success it is.
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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    Good point. But Harvey is a pretty famous prosecutor- he IS Gotham's White Knight.
    :)) That's not exactly something he puts on his cv. I mean, he's described by Wayne as Gotham's 'White Knight' because of the ferocity which which he attacks his job and the importance connected to it, but he is still, at the end of the day, a lawyer rather than a billionare playboy or gangster.

    I don't know, I guess that I would expect Wayne to have all the babes, and someone like Dent to have someone who isn't as beautiful but is alot more intelligant and substantial. Rachel fits the bill; while she's not great looking, she is still IMO pretty nice looking, and is someone whom you could have a conversation with, as opposed to some of Wayne's girlfriends. I can't say that I'm surprised that Dent ended up with her. ;)
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited August 2008
    I agree, Dan...and as a bonus, I'll ignore your 1,047th swipe at my girl Eva X-( :D
    Thanks. :)) Hopefully I will finally get around to writing my review for CR, and if I do, prepare for a few more swipes. :v :))
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • HardyboyHardyboy Posts: 5,912Chief of Staff
    Dan Same wrote:
    The other thing that should be noted is that Harvey is only a prosecutor. If Rachel was some exotically gorgeous goddess, she might come across as out of his league, and in a Nolan-directed realist film, we wouldn't want that. :v

    But. . .Harvey is the District Attorney, an extremely important and powerful elective office in a major city. As for not being able to get the babes, let me give you two words: Rudy Guiliani. He made his name as New York's chief prosecutor, and he's long been a notorious babe magnet--even though, looks-wise, he isn't even in Aaron Eckhart's league!
    Vox clamantis in deserto
  • NightshooterNightshooter In bed with SolitairePosts: 2,917MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    and is someone whom you could have a conversation with, as opposed to some of Wayne's girlfriends.

    You'd be surprised about the intelligence of some models, Dan - some are quite adept at making conversation.
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,307MI6 Agent
    edited August 2008
    Want to throw in my two cents about Maggie G.:

    Yes, she's ugly. But that isn't why Batman loves her.

    She is Bruce's longest friend, she's intelligent, and she is perhaps the only person who truly understand and can sympathize with his plight (other than Alfred, of course). In addition, she loves Bruce for Bruce, not for Batman and not for his money. something that Wayne doesn't often get.

    Now, why Harvey loves her?
    Um... you got me. Has a thing for ugly chicks with law degrees?

    While she isn't exactly supermodel material, I found Maggie G. to be quite attractive (and a good actress), far moreso than Katie Holmes and her perpetually crooked smile, actually.

    But as to her really understanding Bruce Wayne's plight and motivation, I didn't quite see it that way. The scene where she says her goodbyes to Alfred and gives him the note would suggest that she really doesn't understand Wayne's motivations all that well; or at least she doesn't appreciate what he's going thru to protect Gotham. Her disagreement with Alfred about what Bruce was doing seemed selfish and personal to me.

    In fact, the dinner scene with Bruce, Rachel, Harvey and the ballerina and the scene where Dent implores Batman not to turn himself in would suggest that even Harvey Dent was able to better understand - and agreed with - what Batman's motivations really are.

    Dan Same wrote:
    Guys, come back to me when, or should I say if, DK overtakes either of the first two Spider-Man films. :v

    TDK took in another 12.5 million on Friday; less than $10 million to go before it unseats Spiderman 2 for #2 on the superhero list. {:)
  • John DrakeJohn Drake On assignmentPosts: 2,564MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    John Drake wrote:
    Funnily enough NP, Dan and I have been discussing this guy's article.

    http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24099007-5000117,00.html
    We have indeed. :D

    That's interesting. Also a good analogy over here would be PM Gordon Brown (zero charisma, introspective and troubled and unpopular) cf Blair or Milliband (wiry, fun types but flakey).

    That Aussie writer is at it. He's reworked ideas from a Wall Street Journal Article and passed them off as his own in a less intelligent manner. Here's the original piece.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121694247343482821.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

    Oh and this is the best review I've read so far. It articulates a lot of the problems I have with the film far better than I ever could, although I actually admire the film more than the writer does. But it is still a miserable mess of a film. And the comments left by irate fans of TDK become increasingly deranged. Aaww, did the nasty film cwitic not like your movie. There, there. :))

    http://www.thehousenextdooronline.com/2008/07/trickster-heaven-two-faced-hell-dark.html
  • NightshooterNightshooter In bed with SolitairePosts: 2,917MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
    While she isn't exactly supermodel material, I found Maggie G. to be quite attractive (and a good actress), far moreso than Katie Holmes and her perpetually crooked smile, actually.

    But as to her really understanding Bruce Wayne's plight and motivation, I didn't quite see it that way. The scene where she says her goodbyes to Alfred and gives him the note would suggest that she really doesn't understand Wayne's motivations all that well; or at least she doesn't appreciate what he's going thru to protect Gotham. Her disagreement with Alfred about what Bruce was doing seemed selfish and personal to me.

    In fact, the dinner scene with Bruce, Rachel, Harvey and the ballerina and the scene where Dent implores Batman not to turn himself in would suggest that even Harvey Dent was able to better understand - and agreed with - what Batman's motivations really are.

    You're missing my point, Tony. I agree with you - Rachel doesn't agree with or understand Bruce's ways. But the point is that Bruce believes her to be the only one close enough to him that could. This is why Alfred doesn't give Bruce the note - Alfred doesn't want Bruce to realize that she wasn't capable of understanding him, instead allowing Bruce to believe that she was.
  • NightshooterNightshooter In bed with SolitairePosts: 2,917MI6 Agent
    John Drake wrote:
    Oh and this is the best review I've read so far. It articulates a lot of the problems I have with the film far better than I ever could, although I actually admire the film more than the writer does. But it is still a miserable mess of a film. And the comments left by irate fans of TDK become increasingly deranged. Aaww, did the nasty film cwitic not like your movie. There, there. :))

    http://www.thehousenextdooronline.com/2008/07/trickster-heaven-two-faced-hell-dark.html

    That guy seems like a hypocrite to me - that review is a muddled mess, making accusations but never offering examples. Pretty much the only conclusive thing I read in that review was that he wanted more gore. 8-)

    Come on, JD, that review is all style and no substance. You're smarter than to be tricked by that reviewer's verbosity. He's essentially saying nothing.
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,489MI6 Agent
    Well, I liked the review. Good that a film can provoke this high-level of discussion too. I did feel there was a lot of stuff crammed in, it's like the film had to get through it all, ticking off the various action/emotional/new villain unveiled.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited August 2008
    According to early estimates, TDK has once again held onto the top spot at the box office. It would appear that the pros were wrong about Mummy 3 unseating the incumbent...

    But Bats DID unseat Spider-Man 2 and Spidey 1 is bound to go down by tomorrow night. Talk about having legs; people still want their Batman fix after 3 weeks and good competition at theatres.

    The AWESOMENESS OF THE BAT...that's right...drink it in. B-)

    1 Spider-Man Sony $403,706,375


    2 The Dark Knight WB $394,887,000

    3 Spider-Man 2 Sony $373,585,825

    4 Spider-Man 3 Sony $336,530,303

    5 Iron Man Par. $315,668,000

    Put down those sleeping pills, Dan!!! :o
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,489MI6 Agent
    What about adjusting for inflation though? I know these are all recent films, so it's not quite like comparing Get Smart to Gone With the Wind, but still...
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,307MI6 Agent
    edited August 2008
    You're missing my point, Tony. I agree with you - Rachel doesn't agree with or understand Bruce's ways. But the point is that Bruce believes her to be the only one close enough to him that could. This is why Alfred doesn't give Bruce the note - Alfred doesn't want Bruce to realize that she wasn't capable of understanding him, instead allowing Bruce to believe that she was.

    Sorry Night, I guess I didn't read your post closely enough. You are quite right that Bruce thinks that Rachel understood him and Alfred's motivations for burning the note.

    RogueAgent wrote:
    The AWESOMENESS OF THE BAT...that's right...drink it in. B-)

    :)) Pretty impressive performance by TDK; after Friday's numbers I was pretty sure that it would lose the top spot (and in all fairness, these are estimates and could change come Monday). Still, the movie definitely has legs
    Put down those sleeping pills, Dan!!! :o

    :)) :)) Here ya go Dan, after your comments about TDK's box office potential, you may find this link useful. :v http://www.bertc.com/three_crows.htm

    What about adjusting for inflation though? I know these are all recent films, so it's not quite like comparing Get Smart to Gone With the Wind, but still...

    You're right that inflation is a factor here but given the fact that these movies are all fairly recent releases, and that Batman will probably end up making much more than even Spiderman 1, I think it's kind of a moot point.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent Speeding in the Tumbler...Posts: 3,676MI6 Agent
    edited August 2008
    What about adjusting for inflation though? I know these are all recent films, so it's not quite like comparing Get Smart to Gone With the Wind, but still...


    Even if you put that arguement into play, TDK will more than have adjusted to the inflation difference from 2002 by the time it's finished its run in theatres...handily.

    I think that it's safe to say that TDK will finish at or close to 500 million dollars domestically when all is said and done. Spider-Man 1 and TDK are too recent to look at in any other way.


    Even when Spider-Man fanboys use that excuse of it being number one outright because of rising ticket prices, I ask them, what about SUPERMAN The Movie then? Shouldn't it be the ranked higher than Spidey 1?

    TonyDP wrote:
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Put down those sleeping pills, Dan!!! :o

    :)) :)) Here ya go Dan, after your comments about TDK's box office potential, you may find this link useful. :v http://www.bertc.com/three_crows.htm

    :)) :)) :)) Eat up, pal! :))
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    Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
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    Some people would complain even if you hang them with a new rope
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited August 2008
    Hardyboy wrote:
    Dan Same wrote:
    The other thing that should be noted is that Harvey is only a prosecutor. If Rachel was some exotically gorgeous goddess, she might come across as out of his league, and in a Nolan-directed realist film, we wouldn't want that. :v
    But. . .Harvey is the District Attorney, an extremely important and powerful elective office in a major city. As for not being able to get the babes, let me give you two words: Rudy Guiliani. He made his name as New York's chief prosecutor, and he's long been a notorious babe magnet--even though, looks-wise, he isn't even in Aaron Eckhart's league!
    :)) It's funny to think that DK is meant to be a realist film, yet all of the main male characters are quite good-looking. I mean, Eckhart is alot better looking than Guiliani, who would be alot more realistic as a District Attorney, which strikes me as yet another reason why Nolan's desire to make the Batman more realist (although I did love Batman Begins) is a little silly. ;) (And yes, I'm not suggesting that DK should be completely and totally realistic, but BB was presented in a completely and non-fantastical way, yet there are aspects of both Batman films which are not all that realistic. That said, though, I'm not really complaining, since I like Eckhart alot and I would certainly prefer him to Guiliani. :)) )
    Dan Same wrote:
    and is someone whom you could have a conversation with, as opposed to some of Wayne's girlfriends.
    You'd be surprised about the intelligence of some models, Dan - some are quite adept at making conversation.
    And I gather you're basing this on personal experience? ;) Night, I'm not sure if you understood what I was saying, which is simply that IMO Dent would be attracted to a different type of woman to the girls that a billionaire playboy like Wayne would hang out with, who are IMO the epitome of bimbos; the girls in BB being an example. Rachel strikes me as alot more substantial which is why I presume he's attracted to her.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited August 2008
    RogueAgent wrote:
    But Bats DID unseat Spider-Man 2 and Spidey 1 is bound to go down by tomorrow night. Talk about having legs; people still want their Batman fix after 3 weeks and good competition at theatres.

    The AWESOMENESS OF THE BAT...that's right...drink it in. B-)

    1 Spider-Man Sony $403,706,375


    2 The Dark Knight WB $394,887,000

    3 Spider-Man 2 Sony $373,585,825


    Put down those sleeping pills, Dan!!! :o
    :'( Why, oh why, did DK have to overtake one of the greatest comicbook films of all time (that's right, Tony, you can't deny its brilliance :p)? :# Ah, well, there's still the first Spider-Man film. DK hasn't overtaken that yet, and who knows, maybe it's done as well as it could and it'll soon be going to DVD? :v

    I will say this though, Rogue, Spider-Man may lose its title as the most successful-ever comicbook film, but it will still be the most successful-ever superhero film. :p :))
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    TonyDP wrote:
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Put down those sleeping pills, Dan!!! :o

    :)) :)) Here ya go Dan, after your comments about TDK's box office potential, you may find this link useful. :v http://www.bertc.com/three_crows.htm
    Sounds wonderful, :D but perhaps I should hold back on tasting one of these delicious dishes until DK has overtaken the first Spider-Man film, should that actualy happen of course? :v
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • TonyDPTonyDP Inside the MonolithPosts: 4,307MI6 Agent
    edited August 2008
    Dan Same wrote:
    :'( Why, oh why, did DK have to overtake one of the greatest comicbook films of all time (that's right, Tony, you can't deny its brilliance :p)? :#

    Watch me. This is what happens when Spiderman tries to take on Batman Dan. :v
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    Dan Same wrote:
    TonyDP wrote:
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Put down those sleeping pills, Dan!!! :o

    :)) :)) Here ya go Dan, after your comments about TDK's box office potential, you may find this link useful. :v http://www.bertc.com/three_crows.htm
    Sounds wonderful, :D but perhaps I should hold back on tasting one of these delicious dishes until DK has overtaken the first Spider-Man film, should that actualy happen of course? :v

    Which should probably be by the middle of the week. Don't worry Dan, I hear it all tastes like chicken anyway. :p

    According to boxofficemojo.com TDK also took in another $80 million in foreign box office; bringing its worldwide total just south of $600 million, and it still has yet to open in a lot of foreign markets.
  • General_OurumovGeneral_Ourumov United KingdomPosts: 861MI6 Agent
    edited August 2008
    Dan Same wrote:
    RogueAgent wrote:
    No tearing to shreds here...merely standing back in humble admiration of your sensitive turn of phrase.
    I respect your misgivings with the TDK, G.O. but given the circumstances, I too felt that this part was a little...uh, "ouch" ? :s
    G.O. Rogue and Loeff's responses reflect my feelings, but something tells me that when your significant other asks you if her bum looks too big in something, you don't take the diplomatic route. :p :))


    Haha, my sincere apologies. Sometimes, in my quest to prove or convey my point, I tend to leave tact at home. But I must say that Dark Knight's success, and at least a portion of it's incredibly positive feedback, is merely due to the man's death.

    I thought it was good, just not a masterpiece. It's proof that IMDb's ratings system is extremely flawed, and they need to change it.

    Furthermore, my girlfriend doesn't even give me the option. She doesn't ask; all I get is 'My ass looks fat', and I have no say in it. ;)
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,489MI6 Agent
    Maybe Ledger's death has a hand in the rating, but I don't know. I mean, Wall-E, which I saw over the weekend I really didn't like and it has similar superlative ratings on the imdb. No one died during the making of that. Or maybe it's all in comparison with so-so stuff like Hancock.

    What are they saying on abm or the equivalent website? Are the Batman talk boards bigging the film up or are there reservations?
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • NightshooterNightshooter In bed with SolitairePosts: 2,917MI6 Agent
    [quote=Dan SameAnd I gather you're basing this on personal experience? ;) [/quote]

    Actually, sir, I am. :007) You can PM me if you're curious.
    I do see what you were saying, I was just standing up for models. Just because she's a model, doesn't make her insubstantial.
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