Gads--a Chelsea grin sounds absolutely ghastly, right up there with a Colombian necktie!
As for the look of The Joker. . .interesting that the original character was based on Conrad Veidt's Man Who Laughs, but it looks like Nolan and co. may have taken their inspiration from an earlier Veidt character, Cesare from The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari:
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I'm somewhat disappointed, but really not too surprised,given Christopher Nolan's penchant for "realism" in the Batman films.If that is indeed the face the Nolans have decided on for The Joker,then it's probably an easier makeup to apply than something that even vaguely resembles the original version of the character.It's probably fairly comfortable for an actor to wear,too.
It'll probably sell a lot of toys and cereals,too.:v
In that particular makeup, Ledger looks like one of the Jokerz from the Batman Beyond TV series, or one of the Droogs in A Clockwork Orange or even The Crow,but he just doesn't look like The Joker to me.It's really not a version of The Joker I'd prefer to see.In all honesty,I don't think it's a particularly daring or original makeup, either,it's just... there.Yes,those lips are painted in the shape of the Batemblem,but this Joker doesn't look particularly frightening--just oddly derivative of practically everything but the character it's allegedly based upon.
The more familiar Joker face might possibly show up in police sketches of The Joker based upon the descriptions of confused and frightened witnesses.And it might be in an editorial cartoon in a newspaper.It's already on the cards Joker holds in that picture where the face is still partially hidden from sight.Maybe that's all the audience will ever see of the more recognizable Joker image.
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I'm somewhat disappointed, but really not too surprised,given Christopher Nolan's penchant for "realism" in the Batman films.If that is indeed the face the Nolans have decided on for The Joker,then it's probably an easier makeup to apply than something that even vaguely resembles the original version of the character.It's probably fairly comfortable for an actor to wear,too.
It'll probably sell a lot of toys and cereals,too.:v
In that particular makeup, Ledger looks like one of the Jokerz from the Batman Beyond TV series, or one of the Droogs in A Clockwork Orange or even The Crow,but he just doesn't look like The Joker to me.It's really not a version of The Joker I'd prefer to see.In all honesty,I don't think it's a particularly daring or original makeup, either,it's just... there.Yes,those lips are painted in the shape of the Batemblem,but this Joker doesn't look particularly frightening--just oddly derivative of practically everything but the character it's allegedly based upon.
The more familiar Joker face might possibly show up in police sketches of The Joker based upon the descriptions of confused and frightened witnesses.And it might be in an editorial cartoon in a newspaper.It's already on the cards Joker holds in that picture where the face is still partially hidden from sight.Maybe that's all the audience will ever see of the more recognizable Joker image.
W.G., my friend, your post sounds as if you're grasping for something positive to say amidst the "questionable" end result to no avail. )
I do sympathize with you on it not being what I thought The Joker should look like though but I will hold out a little longer until I can see what is concrete and what isn't. I mean what if it's another ruse? Perhaps this snapshot will be in next issue's Entertainment Weekly to silence the doubters-maybe not. Part of me on the inside is wishing very strongly that this is a hoax pic...I'm beginning to think that I might lose that battle...
I honestly don't know how I feel about this yet but I'm not excited with it so far. That much I can admit...
Will Joker's attire change much? Or will that look just as tragic? ?:)
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I'm a bit torn over this but then I thought the same way about the tumbler and then seeing it on film totaly convinced me so I'll wait till we see more
Will Joker's attire change much? Or will that look just as tragic? ?:)
Yeh, I have to say that I don't like it all. Ugh.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
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Perhaps it would help me if I saw different shots or angles of him...I don't know. It looks like he OD'ed on Botox shots or something.
Might do very well though...I'm hoping.
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If it really is fake, this would be the third fake joker picture I've seen. Hopefully Warner Bros. will release a statement telling us whether or not this is fake. Sorry if I got anyone's hopes up, but it looks like a lot of you didn't like it this joker anyway. I'll keep my eyes peeled for any more news.
New Heath Ledger Joker image is a fake!
The movie world is duped…again!
21 May 2007 11:34am
It was one of the biggest stories of the weekend, but we’ve got some bad news for Batfans – there’s plenty of evidence to suggest that the latest pic of Heath Ledger in his Joker guise is yet another fake.
If it is indeed a scam, it’s surely one of the most elaborate hoaxes in cinematic history, a gag worthy of the Clown Prince Of Crime himself.
If you haven’t already heard, here’s the story. At the weekend, what appeared to be a viral marketer littered a comic-book store in Southern California with playing cards, daubed with the phrase I Believe In Harvey Dent Too, a play on Warner Brothers’ official ibelieveinharveydent teaser site domain name.
Now, here’s where it gets really interesting. Fanboys who typed in ibelieveinharveydenttoo were sent to a new site, encouraging them to send off their email address, to receive a code which would allow them to gradually reveal a Bat-picture, hidden behind the official teaser.
Cleverly, whoever created the site (and we’ll prove in a moment that it wasn’t WB) didn’t announce that the image was Heath Ledger as the Joker, making fanboys even more desperate to see it.
Eventually – and trust us, it took a long time, suspicious in itself considering how many people were eventually attempting to reveal the image, once the word spread – this picture appeared.
Looks good, right? Well, before you get too overexcited, consider the following two points…
Warner Brothers’ first wave of this elaborate viral marketing campaign was to litter one comic-book store with home-made cards. Which is quite small-scale, even for a guerilla marketing campaign.
Both facts were suspicious enough to peak our interest, but not conclusive. After all, even if Warners did litter only one comic-book store with cards, it worked. And perhaps they’d left the official branding off the new site to make it seem more anarchic, more Joker-esque.
Still, it was enough to make us dig further. And we didn’t like what we found.
A simple WHOIS search revealed that, whilst ibelieveinharveydent was registered by Warner Brothers on 11 May, ibelieveinharveydenttoo was created by a private registration company, Domains by Proxy, Inc. on 14 May. We doubt Warner Brothers would go that far to keep their part in the enterprise a secret (after all, we sort of know they'll be behind the eventual Joker reveal).
Which, obviously, is a massive disapointment. But still, keep your eye on Total Film for the first image of the real Joker. We won’t report it ‘til we’ve seen it.
Empire magazine is claiming the pic is legit. However Total Film reckons that they are fake.
I so hope it is a fake! I don't like that picture at all. Not only does it look like he has pimples, but IMO it represents complete ugliness without the sense of fun that is presumably such a hallmark of the character. Plus, I have to say that it looks nothing like the picture of Ledger next to his trailer. I hope, at least, that The Joker will have green hair (which it appeared that Ledger had in that earlier picture.)
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
If it really is fake, this would be the third fake joker picture I've seen. Hopefully Warner Bros. will release a statement telling us whether or not this is fake. Sorry if I got anyone's hopes up, but it looks like a lot of you didn't like it this joker anyway. I'll keep my eyes peeled for any more news.
You beat me to this Bad Dog. By the time I'd posted, you'd already got there. I suspect WB are quite happy to have these fake jokers creating interest in the film. They don't even have to pay them.
I'm starting to think this is all a brilliant marketing scheme--Warner Bros. will put out one horrible image after another, so by the time we get the real image of Ledger as the Joker, we'll all breathe a collective sigh of relief and say, "Well, at least it isn't as bad as I thought it would be!"
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Well....I knew that this might be a tease...well actually I was hoping that it was... ;%
In more related news:
Anthony Michael Hall Joins The Dark Knight
Source: Ryan May 21, 2007
"The Dead Zone" star Anthony Michael Hall revealed to LA Daily News that he has a role in Chris Nolan's The Dark Knight, currently filming for a July 18, 2008 release.
"I signed a confidentiality agreement, and I can't say which part I'm playing because it affects the story," said Hall. "I can't give away the suspense - it's a $200 million surprise, and I don't want to be the guy to ruin it."
He added, "I'm excited about it - Christian Bale back as Batman. Heath Ledger is joining the cast as the Joker. Of course, Morgan Freeman and Michael Caine return, and they're great."
While he's shooting the sixth season of the USA Network series, he was able to make it for the first day of production in London the weekend before last. He said he's not scheduled to rejoin shooting until August, after "The Dead Zone" is wrapped.
"They're shooting in London, Chicago and Hong Kong. My next dates are in Chicago, the third week of August with Morgan, then I get to go back to London."
"It's really a great role," he added. "I'm in throughout the whole movie, and I'm really looking forward to working with Christian and Morgan and all these real Hollywood heavy hitters."
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Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice isUNISEX!"
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It looks very impressive. How were you able to put it together?
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
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It looks very impressive. How were you able to put it together?
It's his smile. Would you prefer this or "syphillis mouth"? )
I have Agents Of The Bat that get me these sort of things... :v
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edited May 2007
If it's been mentioned, forgive my post but I'm starting to believe that Warner Bros. are enjoying playing pranks with us. Just highlight the red words on the now dead site and you'll see what I'm talking about...
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Um, RA, it's not like you're highlighting the words "this is a fake picture", you're highlighting "HAhahaHAHhhHaahahaahaha". You can't read anything into that.
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Um, RA, it's not like you're highlighting the words "this is a fake picture", you're highlighting "HAhahaHAHhhHaahahaahaha". You can't read anything into that.
Well I'm "reading" into it that it's Warner Bros. way of suckering us along as we wait for something more substantial. Not everything needs to be underlined for you, Night.
I think that they're enjoying teasing us because it's starting to spread arond the web that VD Mouth is a fake..
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Well, think what you will, I suppose we'll have to wait. I like the look, but I also like the look in your fake trailer. I suppose I don't mind him looking like he's from a horror movie.
Do we know if ibelieveinharveydenttoo is even owned by Warner Bros and not some really clever fan?
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Um, RA, it's not like you're highlighting the words "this is a fake picture", you're highlighting "HAhahaHAHhhHaahahaahaha". You can't read anything into that.
Well I'm "reading" into it that it's Warner Bros. way of suckering us along as we wait for something more substantial. Not everything needs to be underlined for you, Night.
I think that they're enjoying teasing us because it's starting to spread arond the web that VD Mouth is a fake..
Would the laughter not just be because it's the Joker? He's a fictional character who likes playing jokes, y'know!
It's all good, fun stuff, but it's not amazing publicity in that it's rather preaching to the converted- a bit of web fun to promote the new Batman film to people who go to film websites? Because they weren't going to see when it comes out anyway?
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edited May 2007
Well, I could be wrong (won't be the first time) about my synopsis but I'm sticking with it anyway.
I just believe that Nolan & co. are orchestrating falsehoods to stir up a frenzy from anxious fans like myself. So far it's working... )
The fun part for me at least is all of the speculations whether good or bad as we go along. Very excited to see this get done and getting in theatres. B-)
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Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice isUNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
It's worth noting that the words 'See you in December' are spelt out in amongst all of those 'Ha ha's. First trailer in December or something else? Who knows. Apparently seeyouindecember.com has been registered too by a PR company.
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Well, I could be wrong (won't be the first time) about my synopsis but I'm sticking with it anyway.
I just believe that Nolan & co. are orchestrating falsehoods to stir up a frenzy from anxious fans like myself. So far it's working... )
The fun part for me at least is all of the speculations whether good or bad as we go along. Very excited to see this get done and getting in theatres. B-)
I rather like the way Ledger's Joker looks in your signature, Rogue! I might not have to send that mea culpa PM after all...
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Rogue, I don't want to send the wrong impression. I think that your possible Joker setup is terrific. I just think he will look perfect without the moustache.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
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As for the look of The Joker. . .interesting that the original character was based on Conrad Veidt's Man Who Laughs, but it looks like Nolan and co. may have taken their inspiration from an earlier Veidt character, Cesare from The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari:
It'll probably sell a lot of toys and cereals,too.:v
In that particular makeup, Ledger looks like one of the Jokerz from the Batman Beyond TV series, or one of the Droogs in A Clockwork Orange or even The Crow,but he just doesn't look like The Joker to me.It's really not a version of The Joker I'd prefer to see.In all honesty,I don't think it's a particularly daring or original makeup, either,it's just... there.Yes,those lips are painted in the shape of the Batemblem,but this Joker doesn't look particularly frightening--just oddly derivative of practically everything but the character it's allegedly based upon.
The more familiar Joker face might possibly show up in police sketches of The Joker based upon the descriptions of confused and frightened witnesses.And it might be in an editorial cartoon in a newspaper.It's already on the cards Joker holds in that picture where the face is still partially hidden from sight.Maybe that's all the audience will ever see of the more recognizable Joker image.
W.G., my friend, your post sounds as if you're grasping for something positive to say amidst the "questionable" end result to no avail.
I do sympathize with you on it not being what I thought The Joker should look like though but I will hold out a little longer until I can see what is concrete and what isn't. I mean what if it's another ruse? Perhaps this snapshot will be in next issue's Entertainment Weekly to silence the doubters-maybe not. Part of me on the inside is wishing very strongly that this is a hoax pic...I'm beginning to think that I might lose that battle...
I honestly don't know how I feel about this yet but I'm not excited with it so far. That much I can admit...
Will Joker's attire change much? Or will that look just as tragic? ?:)
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Might do very well though...I'm hoping.
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
Apparently this image is fake! The whole website was a scam. At least according to this website it's fake.
http://www.totalfilm.com/movie_news/new_heath_ledger_joker_image_is_a_fake!
If it really is fake, this would be the third fake joker picture I've seen. Hopefully Warner Bros. will release a statement telling us whether or not this is fake. Sorry if I got anyone's hopes up, but it looks like a lot of you didn't like it this joker anyway. I'll keep my eyes peeled for any more news.
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Empire magazine is claiming the pic is legit. However Total Film reckons that they are fake.
http://www.totalfilm.com/movie_news/new_heath_ledger_joker_image_is_a_fake!
New Heath Ledger Joker image is a fake!
The movie world is duped…again!
21 May 2007 11:34am
It was one of the biggest stories of the weekend, but we’ve got some bad news for Batfans – there’s plenty of evidence to suggest that the latest pic of Heath Ledger in his Joker guise is yet another fake.
If it is indeed a scam, it’s surely one of the most elaborate hoaxes in cinematic history, a gag worthy of the Clown Prince Of Crime himself.
If you haven’t already heard, here’s the story. At the weekend, what appeared to be a viral marketer littered a comic-book store in Southern California with playing cards, daubed with the phrase I Believe In Harvey Dent Too, a play on Warner Brothers’ official ibelieveinharveydent teaser site domain name.
Now, here’s where it gets really interesting. Fanboys who typed in ibelieveinharveydenttoo were sent to a new site, encouraging them to send off their email address, to receive a code which would allow them to gradually reveal a Bat-picture, hidden behind the official teaser.
Cleverly, whoever created the site (and we’ll prove in a moment that it wasn’t WB) didn’t announce that the image was Heath Ledger as the Joker, making fanboys even more desperate to see it.
Eventually – and trust us, it took a long time, suspicious in itself considering how many people were eventually attempting to reveal the image, once the word spread – this picture appeared.
Looks good, right? Well, before you get too overexcited, consider the following two points…
Warner Brothers’ first wave of this elaborate viral marketing campaign was to litter one comic-book store with home-made cards. Which is quite small-scale, even for a guerilla marketing campaign.
The official teaser’s full address is http://ibelieveinharveydent.warnerbros.com/, note the warnerbros part of the address. The Joker’s address? http://www.ibelieveinharveydenttoo.com/
Both facts were suspicious enough to peak our interest, but not conclusive. After all, even if Warners did litter only one comic-book store with cards, it worked. And perhaps they’d left the official branding off the new site to make it seem more anarchic, more Joker-esque.
Still, it was enough to make us dig further. And we didn’t like what we found.
A simple WHOIS search revealed that, whilst ibelieveinharveydent was registered by Warner Brothers on 11 May, ibelieveinharveydenttoo was created by a private registration company, Domains by Proxy, Inc. on 14 May. We doubt Warner Brothers would go that far to keep their part in the enterprise a secret (after all, we sort of know they'll be behind the eventual Joker reveal).
Which, obviously, is a massive disapointment. But still, keep your eye on Total Film for the first image of the real Joker. We won’t report it ‘til we’ve seen it.
You beat me to this Bad Dog. By the time I'd posted, you'd already got there. I suspect WB are quite happy to have these fake jokers creating interest in the film. They don't even have to pay them.
In more related news:
Anthony Michael Hall Joins The Dark Knight
Source: Ryan May 21, 2007
"The Dead Zone" star Anthony Michael Hall revealed to LA Daily News that he has a role in Chris Nolan's The Dark Knight, currently filming for a July 18, 2008 release.
"I signed a confidentiality agreement, and I can't say which part I'm playing because it affects the story," said Hall. "I can't give away the suspense - it's a $200 million surprise, and I don't want to be the guy to ruin it."
He added, "I'm excited about it - Christian Bale back as Batman. Heath Ledger is joining the cast as the Joker. Of course, Morgan Freeman and Michael Caine return, and they're great."
While he's shooting the sixth season of the USA Network series, he was able to make it for the first day of production in London the weekend before last. He said he's not scheduled to rejoin shooting until August, after "The Dead Zone" is wrapped.
"They're shooting in London, Chicago and Hong Kong. My next dates are in Chicago, the third week of August with Morgan, then I get to go back to London."
"It's really a great role," he added. "I'm in throughout the whole movie, and I'm really looking forward to working with Christian and Morgan and all these real Hollywood heavy hitters."
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{[] Cool addition to the cast. Hall was in my favourite episode of 'The Hunger,' in which he played a wrathful Archangel.
Yeah, to me it looks like Michael Myers with lipstick. Very disturbing, a little too "serial killer" for my tastes.
BTW, it's a fake teaser.
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I like it but I'm not heads-over-heels in love with it. What's with the moustache?
It looks very impressive. How were you able to put it together?
If Ledger looks like that, I will definitely be satisfied.
Is that teaser really fake? Could have fooled me. It's very well done!
-Roger Moore
It's his smile. Would you prefer this or "syphillis mouth"?
I have Agents Of The Bat that get me these sort of things... :v
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If nothing else, it's stirring great pub...
http://www.ibelieveinharveydenttoo.com/
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
Well I'm "reading" into it that it's Warner Bros. way of suckering us along as we wait for something more substantial. Not everything needs to be underlined for you, Night.
I think that they're enjoying teasing us because it's starting to spread arond the web that VD Mouth is a fake..
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
Do we know if ibelieveinharveydenttoo is even owned by Warner Bros and not some really clever fan?
The thought has crossed my mind on more than one occasion.
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
Would the laughter not just be because it's the Joker? He's a fictional character who likes playing jokes, y'know!
It's all good, fun stuff, but it's not amazing publicity in that it's rather preaching to the converted- a bit of web fun to promote the new Batman film to people who go to film websites? Because they weren't going to see when it comes out anyway?
I just believe that Nolan & co. are orchestrating falsehoods to stir up a frenzy from anxious fans like myself. So far it's working...
The fun part for me at least is all of the speculations whether good or bad as we go along. Very excited to see this get done and getting in theatres. B-)
Batman: "The Hammer Of Justice is UNISEX!"
-Batman: The Brave & The Bold -
I rather like the way Ledger's Joker looks in your signature, Rogue! I might not have to send that mea culpa PM after all...
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
This is The Joker as he appears in the recent fan movie Batman:Dead End.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhvDdy9QF_Y