Dan forgot to mention that the female extra with the wet hair running through the terminal during the airport panic scene -- the second one from the left in the back row, 50-ish, brunette -- was really all wrong for the role. And how about those final credits? what kind of font was that to use? He would have preferred a nice Times New Roman or even a tasteful sans-serif. Who did the typography for Eon? Couldn't they have come up with something better?
Dan forgot to mention that the female extra with the wet hair running through the terminal during the airport panic scene -- the second one from the left in the back row, 50-ish, brunette -- was really all wrong for the role. And how about those final credits? what kind of font was that to use? He would have preferred a nice Times New Roman or even a tasteful sans-serif. Who did the typography for Eon? Couldn't they have come up with something better?
Aww, Dan doesn't wike youw movie? So sowwy.
Eva -- is that you? Your awful diction gave you away. )
Exactly Sir H. I think some of you need to get off Dan's back. He has a right to express his likes and dislikes without being crucified or overanalyzed. Especially since he's not alone in his thoughts. Some people just stopped saying it because they don't want the treatment he gets.
Exactly Sir H. I think some of you need to get off Dan's back. He has a right to express his likes and dislikes without being crucified or overanalyzed. Especially since he's not alone in his thoughts. Some people just stopped saying it because they don't want the treatment he gets.
Gimme a break. Dan loves dumping on CR -- and arguing with the film's fans just as much as I and the films' fans like praising the movie and arguing with him. Dan's a big boy. If I honestly thought I was hurting his feelings I would never suggest he has poor taste in Bond movies (even though you do, Dan :007) ).
I also think that Craig will do 3, or at the most 4, Bond films. By that time, assuming that world-wide audiences haven't stopped responding so enthusiastically to the "new Bond" style (which, IMO, came as much from a deliberate effort on the part of the producers and screenwriters to change the direction of the franchise as from Craig's performance), Craig himself will make the decision to walk away from the series because he will start to feel confined by the artistic boundaries imposed upon him by playing Bond. I just hope that after he leaves, fans won't turn on him in favor of his successor, as they seem to have done with the once-quite-popular Brosnan. Craig seems to be a proud actor who actually reads and cares about what fans say and think about him, and such a post-tenure treatment may sting a bit.
Exactly Sir H. I think some of you need to get off Dan's back. He has a right to express his likes and dislikes without being crucified or overanalyzed. Especially since he's not alone in his thoughts. Some people just stopped saying it because they don't want the treatment he gets.
Agreed.This is only a movie,after all.In Dan's defense, he said that he probably wouldn't like Casino Royale as soon as the casting was announced and Eon said they'd be rebooting the franchise.And true to his word,Dan didn't like the final product.That's his opinion.
In my opinion,frostbitten raises an interesting point in regards to how Craig might be treated by fans once he finishes playing James Bond.I, for one, will be very much surprised if Craig isn't found wanting by some filmgoers--even by a few critics--once the new guy establishes himself as 007.Finding fault with the previous 007(s) seems to be an unwritten rule whenever fans come together to discuss this series, and no Bond actor has ever been exempt from such treatment.
And back to topic:Craig'll make four movies.He signed for three and will soon start work on his second film.His contract probably has the same kind of clause Brosnan's had--that once the three films are completed,if both parties are agreeable, they'll negotiate for a fourth film.They will,he'll be paid VERY well for his time, and when that's over,Craig will leave 007 behind.
LoeffelholzThe United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
edited September 2007
Exactly right. (Formerly) Poor DannyTM will be just poor Danny again, eventually As those great rock 'n roll philosophers, Led Zeppelin, once observed: The Song Remains The Same.
And the dynamics are constant. A long-term strategic view will never fail, provided one has the perspective to appreciate geological time---as ever, just add patience
That said...c'mon, Danny Boy. Do seven :v
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"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
I think that Craig will be remembered by fans pretty much the way he has already established himself with the fanbase. Although I'm a little on the fence with Craig, most people it seems, either love or hate him. There does not appear to be a middle ground with many fans.
Therefore I would imagine that those who already have extreme opinions of him will continue to have those views after long after Craig has departed the role. Some people have suggested that, like with some former Bonds (such as Brosnan), he too will be found wanting. But I don't agree with it as IMO Craig is an extreme Bond in the way that Moore and Dalton probably were in that he inspires extreme emotions. I adore Brosnan, but I don't think he is as polarizing as Craig (which is not a criticism of either actor.) Basically, I think those that love him will continue to do so and the same for those who hate him.
Sweepy the CatHalifax, West Yorkshire, EnglaPosts: 986MI6 Agent
I agree with HR that those who have extreme opinions about Craig probably won't change their minds after he leaves the role. However, I don't think that the majority of fans have such extreme opinions. If there is a 1-10 "range of opinions" where 1 is "Absolutely Hating" Craig and 10 is "Absolutely Loving" him, I would say that most fans would have opinions that fall within the 3-8 range. I myself was originally a "3", because prior to watching Craig in CR, I just thought that looks-wise, he was totally wrong for Bond. However, after seeing how well he did in the film, I've become probably a "6", because I can see some "Bond material" in him, despite of his looks. For fans like myself, opinions can, and probably will, change when Craig is no longer 007, especially if there is someone who better fits our own image of Bond to take over the role. In that case, the old adage "out of sight, out of mind" will probably apply, and over time, Craig will probably suffer in comparison with Bond #7.
Hey, a catchy phrase just pops into my mind, and maybe I should trade-mark it: Bond #7, the true 007 . Then again, maybe he'll be a dud. Who knows? Only time will tell. The only thing that's certain is Bond trends/views/fashions (or whatever you want to call them), like most things in life, go in cycles. What is on top one day will fall to the bottom the next, only to rise again, and so it shall continue.
As I've seem to become the subject of discussion, I thought I would make one last reappearance. I'm going to respond to a post that HH made as I think it's symbolic of my feelings about the way this thread (as well as some others) has developed into.
Gimme a break. Dan loves dumping on CR -- and arguing with the film's fans just as much as I and the films' fans like praising the movie and arguing with him. Dan's a big boy.
The problem is that I don't really enjoy the type of arguing you and some other people here engage in. I'm referring to the kind of condescension, sarcasm and mocking that is all too often a feature of these boards. I'm not portraying myself as some kind of victim; I'm simply stating that I don't enjoy it in the slightest. Nor do several other members, such as Monique. In fact, I don't enjoy having arguments, although sometimes there might be a thin line between argument and debate.
BTW, as a matter of interest, I don't hate CR. I don't love it and it would be no higher than 14th on my list, but I've paid to see it twice and I resisted the urge to throw away or pass on the DVD I was recently given as a gift.
If I honestly thought I was hurting his feelings I would never suggest he has poor taste in Bond movies (even though you do, Dan :007) ).
Thanks. ) Although I would presume that since my four favourite Bonds are the original four, my tastes aren't so bad afterall? :v
As this thread is really about Craig, I'll now retire, but I want to say that I think that Craig will make four films and will prove to be every bit as good a Bond as his admirers hope and believe he'll be. :007)
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
As this thread is really about Craig, I'll now retire, but I want to say that I think that Craig will make four films and will prove to be every bit as good a Bond as his admirers hope and believe he'll be. :007)
Cheers Dan. You always were/are a gentleman and a scholar. A true example to us all. :007) Thanks for your opinions, your comments, and your ever constant critique of the New Millennium Bond, DC. Your comments (from a Craig fan p.o.v.) are welcome and appreciated always. We really have no need to argue on this site, seeing as we are all Bond fans. No one is going to change anyone else's mind, and in the end we are all on the same page (literally and figuratively). All the debate should be in fun and jest and I hope no one takes it any farther. Here's to Bond fans! {[] Craig fans, Connery fans, Lazenby, Dalton, and Moore. Cheers to all!
"We have all the time in the world..."
Sweepy the CatHalifax, West Yorkshire, EnglaPosts: 986MI6 Agent
Well after a recent announcement it looks like the tables have turned. Anyone think he'll do the whole 5. He may have the odd bummer but what do you think, he may even do six or seven ! (Nah, probably not)
LoeffelholzThe United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
Well after a recent announcement it looks like the tables have turned. Anyone think he'll do the whole 5. He may have the odd bummer but what do you think, he may even do six or seven ! (Nah, probably not)
It's been my position all along that he ought to do seven, to balance Sir Roger's interpretation :v
Check out my Amazon author page!Mark Loeffelholz
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
It's been my position all along that he ought to do seven, to balance Sir Roger's interpretation :v
Thanks. So after the pain you suffered through the Moore era, you want to inflict the same pain upon the Cinematic Bond Traditionalists?
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Casino Royale is a good movie. I enjoy the card game, the action is good, and Eva Green is beautiful. I do think there is some pretentiousness about Craig and "Casino." The serious approach it took is a bit phony and not totally genuine. If his era becomes even more pretentious, than I am afraid that Michael and Babs will have to lock Craig up and throw away the key.
I read from the internet, Craig's interview (2008) that he said:
"Do I make four more? Absolutely not. I have a contract to do this one only" (with my own words but that was what he said)
So he have contract to do only those two Bonds but I'm sure he will make one more. Like others says here, I think too that he will retire after three films.
Craig continues what Dalton started (but Brosnan ended! >:/), more darker, serious and human Bond. That's a good way and like Timothy Dalton, Craig doesn't want to get "the mark of Bond" over his head for the rest of his life.
I think that producers would want him to do four or five total but he is absolutely too old then. If Craig make five, he is 46 or 47 in that time and he looks over 40 years old already. I don't want to get another Moore anymore )
DANIEL IS GREAT but I would like him to retire after his second starring...even he really is a good Bond! So don't blaim me guys I just want to see as many Bond actors as possible
(And I need to say, If Craig make more than three, those films are not so popular as CR. I'm sure about that...)
Probably 3, 4 at the most. The issue isnt so much how many will DC do, but can the producers maintain a high quality? CR had great moments that really drew us back to the roots of 007 (despite some of the Die Hard action in the first hour) and I want to see more of what they did in the middle Montenegro-set section of the movie. I have little faith however and despite all the rhetoric, I think 007 will go on a rapid down turn again after QOS, which is exactly what happened to Brosnan's Bond. Its the money market talking....
But good luck to Craig for QOS and maybe his next 2...
4 would be cool cr qos property of a lady and risico all fleming titles and all in the same gritty style and then henry cavill taken over just my opione
Sweepy the CatHalifax, West Yorkshire, EnglaPosts: 986MI6 Agent
I liked Henry Cavill too but he was just waaayyy too young. Other than that he was the best (In a shortlist of about 10 actors)
I liked Henry Cavill too but he was just waaayyy too young. Other than that he was the best (In a shortlist of about 10 actors)
I was always disappointed that Clive Owen didn't get the part.
"He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
Sweepy the CatHalifax, West Yorkshire, EnglaPosts: 986MI6 Agent
In HIS opinion he was the best Bond since Connery. He was the "greatest Hits" Bond. He impersonated them all. The elegant growl of Connery, the humour of Moore, and the angst of Dalton (though he never had Tims acting chops).
He brought back the bond franchise after 6 long years with a boom...
Even us Brozzer bashers give him credit for this. If his Bond had not worked there could have been trouble ahead. Still don't think it is enough to warrant adulation though..
His films featured all the right elements, fast cars, beautiful girls, exotic locations, spectacular stunts. ...
But not as good as the Cubby/Harry Bonds
Fast cars = an invisible car?
Beautiful girls = two of the worst Jinx and Xmas Jones
Exotic locations = the Brosnan locations lacked colour. In DAD he didnt even go to his locations. Cuba was Cadiz, Iceland was the backlot at Pinewood
Spectacular stunts = he nearly blew the series' credibility with CGI
He was a very succesful and popular bond and although the typical bond fan may put GE on a higher ranking, TND nearer the Bottom, TWINE in the middle section and DAD at the bottom ...
My rankings for the 21 films
18 = Goldeneye
19 = Tomorrow Never Dies
20 = The World is Not Enough
21 = Die Another Day
DC had an OK bond girl and a few good stunts at the start. He didnt even have gadgets..
Vesper Lyna an OK Bond girl? I think history will put her up there with Tracy in years to come. A very deep and three-dimensional woman. Enigmatic, brittle, insecure, and riven with contradictions.
A few good stunts? Lets hope the Palio sequence in Bond 22 is as good as the Crane chase.
Bond didnt need gadgets in this one. It was basically a duel between two men over a gambling table. Q and Miss Moneypenny wernt even missed.
Ok all good points but Brosnan is still just an actor playing a part. The producers and directors are the ones to blame for the lame plots and CGI and all the rest that made the movies bad. I am sure if Brosnan had got Daltons movies and played them the same way and Dalton would have got Brosnan's picks than it would have been Dalton who everyone would be talking about.
Bond: You don't think I enjoyed what we did this evening, do you? What I did tonight was for King and country! You don't think it gave me any pleasure, do you?
Fiona: But of course, I forgot your ego, Mr. Bond. James Bond, who only has to make love to a woman and she starts to hear heavenly choirs singing.
Craig...four movies. Definitely. He will finish on 24 and then go on from there. Of course, this is my hope. He may stop at three, dependent on the success of the next two films. He isn't in it for the art of it, he is in it for the money to work on other films he wants to do. He said it himself early on in CR.
"We have all the time in the world..."
Sweepy the CatHalifax, West Yorkshire, EnglaPosts: 986MI6 Agent
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Aww, Dan doesn't wike youw movie? So sowwy.
Roger Moore 1927-2017
Eva -- is that you? Your awful diction gave you away.
Exactly Sir H. I think some of you need to get off Dan's back. He has a right to express his likes and dislikes without being crucified or overanalyzed. Especially since he's not alone in his thoughts. Some people just stopped saying it because they don't want the treatment he gets.
Gimme a break. Dan loves dumping on CR -- and arguing with the film's fans just as much as I and the films' fans like praising the movie and arguing with him. Dan's a big boy. If I honestly thought I was hurting his feelings I would never suggest he has poor taste in Bond movies (even though you do, Dan :007) ).
Agreed.This is only a movie,after all.In Dan's defense, he said that he probably wouldn't like Casino Royale as soon as the casting was announced and Eon said they'd be rebooting the franchise.And true to his word,Dan didn't like the final product.That's his opinion.
In my opinion,frostbitten raises an interesting point in regards to how Craig might be treated by fans once he finishes playing James Bond.I, for one, will be very much surprised if Craig isn't found wanting by some filmgoers--even by a few critics--once the new guy establishes himself as 007.Finding fault with the previous 007(s) seems to be an unwritten rule whenever fans come together to discuss this series, and no Bond actor has ever been exempt from such treatment.
And back to topic:Craig'll make four movies.He signed for three and will soon start work on his second film.His contract probably has the same kind of clause Brosnan's had--that once the three films are completed,if both parties are agreeable, they'll negotiate for a fourth film.They will,he'll be paid VERY well for his time, and when that's over,Craig will leave 007 behind.
And the dynamics are constant. A long-term strategic view will never fail, provided one has the perspective to appreciate geological time---as ever, just add patience
That said...c'mon, Danny Boy. Do seven :v
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Therefore I would imagine that those who already have extreme opinions of him will continue to have those views after long after Craig has departed the role. Some people have suggested that, like with some former Bonds (such as Brosnan), he too will be found wanting. But I don't agree with it as IMO Craig is an extreme Bond in the way that Moore and Dalton probably were in that he inspires extreme emotions. I adore Brosnan, but I don't think he is as polarizing as Craig (which is not a criticism of either actor.) Basically, I think those that love him will continue to do so and the same for those who hate him.
Hey, a catchy phrase just pops into my mind, and maybe I should trade-mark it: Bond #7, the true 007
Sweepy – are you typing with your tail again?
Roger Moore 1927-2017
The problem is that I don't really enjoy the type of arguing you and some other people here engage in. I'm referring to the kind of condescension, sarcasm and mocking that is all too often a feature of these boards. I'm not portraying myself as some kind of victim; I'm simply stating that I don't enjoy it in the slightest. Nor do several other members, such as Monique. In fact, I don't enjoy having arguments, although sometimes there might be a thin line between argument and debate.
BTW, as a matter of interest, I don't hate CR. I don't love it and it would be no higher than 14th on my list, but I've paid to see it twice and I resisted the urge to throw away or pass on the DVD I was recently given as a gift.
Thanks.
As this thread is really about Craig, I'll now retire, but I want to say that I think that Craig will make four films and will prove to be every bit as good a Bond as his admirers hope and believe he'll be. :007)
Cheers Dan. You always were/are a gentleman and a scholar. A true example to us all. :007) Thanks for your opinions, your comments, and your ever constant critique of the New Millennium Bond, DC. Your comments (from a Craig fan p.o.v.) are welcome and appreciated always. We really have no need to argue on this site, seeing as we are all Bond fans. No one is going to change anyone else's mind, and in the end we are all on the same page (literally and figuratively). All the debate should be in fun and jest and I hope no one takes it any farther. Here's to Bond fans! {[] Craig fans, Connery fans, Lazenby, Dalton, and Moore. Cheers to all!
It's been my position all along that he ought to do seven, to balance Sir Roger's interpretation :v
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Casino Royale is a good movie. I enjoy the card game, the action is good, and Eva Green is beautiful. I do think there is some pretentiousness about Craig and "Casino." The serious approach it took is a bit phony and not totally genuine. If his era becomes even more pretentious, than I am afraid that Michael and Babs will have to lock Craig up and throw away the key.
"Do I make four more? Absolutely not. I have a contract to do this one only" (with my own words but that was what he said)
So he have contract to do only those two Bonds but I'm sure he will make one more. Like others says here, I think too that he will retire after three films.
Craig continues what Dalton started (but Brosnan ended! >:/), more darker, serious and human Bond. That's a good way and like Timothy Dalton, Craig doesn't want to get "the mark of Bond" over his head for the rest of his life.
I think that producers would want him to do four or five total but he is absolutely too old then. If Craig make five, he is 46 or 47 in that time and he looks over 40 years old already. I don't want to get another Moore anymore
DANIEL IS GREAT but I would like him to retire after his second starring...even he really is a good Bond! So don't blaim me guys
(And I need to say, If Craig make more than three, those films are not so popular as CR. I'm sure about that...)
But good luck to Craig for QOS and maybe his next 2...
He'll be 60 years old by then.
Roger Moore was almost 60 years old when he quitted Bond.
I wish that Pierce Brosnan was still James Bond until 2012!
Fiona: But of course, I forgot your ego, Mr. Bond. James Bond, who only has to make love to a woman and she starts to hear heavenly choirs singing.
What was I smoking back then