2)The film is derivative-in fact not only is it unoriginal but IMO it is nowhere near as good as any of the films it rips off (such as TSWLM.)
Which itself was a rip off of You Only Live Twice. In that film, Blofeld was stealing spacecraft from both sides to spur nations to make war - TSWLM was the exact same plot but underwater instead of in space.
My only problem with TND is the same problem I have with every movie since GoldenEye - ridiculous shoot 'em up scenes that look like they're out of a video game.
Twice in Goldeneye - in the PTS and the Russian base/library/whatever, wherein 10 or more guys (in both scenes!) have AK-47s firing full auto at Bond from across the room and they can't seem to hit a damn thing;
THREE TIMES in TND - the PTS, at the Carver headquarters/press, and in the stealth ship.
Etc, etc, you get the picture. Casino Royale had one, too - the embassy shootout.
I don't count the finale of CR because of the way it was handled.
My problem is when Bond goes running through a room, turns to the right, shoots someone, turns to left, shoots someone, looks up above him, shoots someone else, etc. I almost expect to see points being racked up at the top of the screen. It's like watching someone play a damn video game.
I like Die Hard as much as the next guy, but I don't want my Bond to be John McClane. Unfortunately, most action movies took this turn in the nineties.
2)The film is derivative-in fact not only is it unoriginal but IMO it is nowhere near as good as any of the films it rips off (such as TSWLM.)
Which itself was a rip off of You Only Live Twice. In that film, Blofeld was stealing spacecraft from both sides to spur nations to make war - TSWLM was the exact same plot but underwater instead of in space.
Perhaps, but I think that TSWLM was a brilliant film. Many of the greatest films in history were based on/inspired by other films. I have no problem with that. However what I do have a problem with is a film that is inspired by another but isn't particularly great. So, on that basis, I think that TSWLM is a magnificent film (the fifth best ever Bond film IMO) and a very distinctive film at that, however I consider TND to be a pretty disappointing film which only reminds me of just how good TSWLM was.
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I just watched TND again and found that up until just after the car chasing scene through the car park, the movie is a fine piece of Bond cinema. I love the action sequences, the dialogue is fun, the hotel room with Dr. Kaufman is great, the fight in the sound proof room is brilliant, Bond looks so physical and real-life when he is trying to get away after stealing the decoder, the pre-title sequence is full of suspense and delivers. after that it starts to ruin itself with some over the topness and the continuing incursion of Wai Lin and her befoonery. It will move up in my list most likely, I enjoyed it last night more than I ever thought I would. -{
My only problem with TND is the same problem I have with every movie since GoldenEye - ridiculous shoot 'em up scenes that look like they're out of a video game.
Twice in Goldeneye - in the PTS and the Russian base/library/whatever, wherein 10 or more guys (in both scenes!) have AK-47s firing full auto at Bond from across the room and they can't seem to hit a damn thing;
THREE TIMES in TND - the PTS, at the Carver headquarters/press, and in the stealth ship.
Etc, etc, you get the picture. Casino Royale had one, too - the embassy shootout.
I don't count the finale of CR because of the way it was handled.
My problem is when Bond goes running through a room, turns to the right, shoots someone, turns to left, shoots someone, looks up above him, shoots someone else, etc. I almost expect to see points being racked up at the top of the screen. It's like watching someone play a damn video game.
I like Die Hard as much as the next guy, but I don't want my Bond to be John McClane. Unfortunately, most action movies took this turn in the nineties.
you and me share the exact same thought on this, its as if Bond is such a good shot and trained solders cant hit the borad side of a barn (russian troops in GE,carvers guys on the stealth ship), i atleast wish bond got nicked by a round
Well it was on telly last night and I found it very easy to hop away from, mind you Fanny Hill was on BBC2!
Brozzer looks tired already, it has something suave and dull about it but the none-liners are rough and the plot doesn't captivate. So it's really the chemistry between Teri, Jonathan and Pierce that sell the first part.
Silly bike stunt leaping over the 'copter - why does the copter dip anyway when they're tyring to shoot Bond and Wai Lin? And if it elevates unexpectedly, Bond will be driving the bike right into the rotary blades!
Better climax - have them drive the bike off and straight into the copter cockpit for desperate fight with crew as the helicopter spirals around... that would be call, not the silly way that action scene climaxes.
I loved Tomorrow Never Dies! It has so much action and the storyline is great and original, using the Chinese rather than the usual Russians in the film. Also, this film is slightly similar to my favourite James Bond film, From Russia With Love, in that a criminal organisation is playing two major powers against each other. I think the use of the gadgets in this film was great, and was really imaginative. Tomorrow Never Dies is a great sequel to the stunning Goldeneye.
I loved this Brosnan entry regardless; cool storyline, villain (Jonathan Pryce; tight!) and of course it combines amazing stunts and as said, an original and coherent (at least IMO0 plotline. Well done.
has anyone noticed in Tomorrow Never Dies that in the scene at Elliott carvers' office, Eliott types up Bond's obituary too fast, and says alot less words than he types on the keyboard. Obviously Jonathan Pryce is not a P.C. user!
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Twice in Goldeneye - in the PTS and the Russian base/library/whatever, wherein 10 or more guys (in both scenes!) have AK-47s firing full auto at Bond from across the room and they can't seem to hit a damn thing;
THREE TIMES in TND - the PTS, at the Carver headquarters/press, and in the stealth ship.
Etc, etc, you get the picture. Casino Royale had one, too - the embassy shootout.
I don't count the finale of CR because of the way it was handled.
My problem is when Bond goes running through a room, turns to the right, shoots someone, turns to left, shoots someone, looks up above him, shoots someone else, etc. I almost expect to see points being racked up at the top of the screen. It's like watching someone play a damn video game.
I like Die Hard as much as the next guy, but I don't want my Bond to be John McClane. Unfortunately, most action movies took this turn in the nineties.
you and me share the exact same thought on this, its as if Bond is such a good shot and trained solders cant hit the borad side of a barn (russian troops in GE,carvers guys on the stealth ship), i atleast wish bond got nicked by a round
Brozzer looks tired already, it has something suave and dull about it but the none-liners are rough and the plot doesn't captivate. So it's really the chemistry between Teri, Jonathan and Pierce that sell the first part.
Silly bike stunt leaping over the 'copter - why does the copter dip anyway when they're tyring to shoot Bond and Wai Lin? And if it elevates unexpectedly, Bond will be driving the bike right into the rotary blades!
Better climax - have them drive the bike off and straight into the copter cockpit for desperate fight with crew as the helicopter spirals around... that would be call, not the silly way that action scene climaxes.
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James Bond- Licence To Kill