union jack flag appearance???
jen1
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Can you tell which 2 filem James has jumped off a cliff/whatever using a union jack flag? I know he did in the spy that loved me but what else? i am positive that there was another but my partner says no????????????
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Aside from parachutes, the Union Flag also appears on Bond's hot air balloon in Octopussy and inside the hatch of his iceberg submarine in A View To A Kill.
Hope this helps.
-Roger Moore
And Arnold Schwarzengger's name should be pronounced with a 'v' sound rather than a 'w' etc. etc. Sometimes the 'incorrect' version becomes accepted as the correct version- everyone knows it as the Union Jack; it's just the Union Jack.
I've always know it as the 'Union Flag' - I didn't realise so many people were ignorant of that fact.
I'm not saying that anyone is 'ignorant'; I wouldn't so arrogant- just that the more popular name is the Union Jack, and whether that's correct or not doesn't really matter anymore. It's just how language works and evolves over time; you may as well that it's 'incorrect' to use the word 'hello' as a greeting as that was never its original meaning.
Well-said, emtiem. These things have a mind of their own. I would only add that rather than trying to "correct" the popular misnomer, it might be better to reflect on the fact that there are very few flags in the world that are as as universally recognized as the "Union Jack." Besides, if "Union Jack" is associated with ships (which I didn't know -- thanks. Asp9mm), the misnomer probably has its origins as in Britain's long history as the "ruler of the waves." I'd leave it alone and count my blessings.
What, bow down to 'Jack' and go with the misnomer. That's like forgetting St Georges Flag is in there somewhere. Plus we had serious 'beastings' for calling it the Union Jack when I joined HM Forces and it was battered into me at an early age. I still live in fear of that Lt.Cdr. Bunigar, and his influence still lives on 16 years later in this thread
England Expects...
I've got a feeling there was little you could have done as a recruit to please Lt. Cdr. Bunigar
Whats popular got to do with it ?:)
Anyway - too far off topic. But great thanks to Asp9mm for putting some people straight.
Generally referred to as the Union Flag in this northerly nation of the UK, unless it's associated with a certain football club (and not in a pleasant sense, on either side). The Union Jack flies from the jack mast of Her Majesty's Ship outside my office window.
Oh, look at the ego on you. 8-)
May I remind you that there are a great deal of people on this forum who are not from the UK, myself included. Yet it is "ignorant" that we don't know everything about your culture? Well I'm sure Sir Miles that you know everything about every culture around the world.
If someone here was to misrepresent something in American culture, I don't doubt that I would correct them. But I wouldn't have the gall to call them "ignorant."
My earlier post in this thread has been edited to reflect the name correction. As I too hold my country's flag in high regard, I appologize to my friends in the UK. But I appologize only to those who have been civil.
Thank you for correcting me. "You learn something new everyday!"
-Roger Moore
That's whom I always think of when I see that flag. That or the BNP. Neither of whom I'm particularly fond of.
I don't think that Sir M was being entirely serious there, more tongue in cheek sarcasm than anything.
No need to apologize and it's a common misconception that I'm sure 70% of the population in the UK do not know about. What really annoys me is when Brits hang the flag upside down. My turn to apologize for wandering a tad off topic.
Well no; if I was to spell 'pronouncing' as 'ponouncing' that would be getting it wrong!
Language evolving is the same thing as a term changing; does everyone in the English-speaking world use the word 'gay' incorrectly or has the meaning changed? Schwarzenegger has never to my knowledge chastised anyone for pronouncing his name in an English way, and frankly anyone who does pronounce it with a 'V' sound looks rather foolish and slightly self-important (I'm looking at you, Barry Norman!
Being in the forces, I can see why you may have had it drilled into you, but then that's more a discipline thing than anything- I'm guessing that you were told the right way to do everything and punishment followed if you stepped out of those guidelines?
Thing is, pretty much everyone knows it as the Jack; that's just the name it's most known by. And that means that it's not wrong to call it that- that's its name. And if the BBC have it okayed in their guidelines to refer to it as that, then there's nowhere else much to go: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2981038.stm
No - no ego with me, Tee Hee. I don't know which definition of ignorant you read into my post but I meant ignorant in the sense of 'unaware of, unfamiliar with, unacquainted with, unconscious of, innocent about' (defination taken from The Oxford Thesaurus).
The written word can look harsh at times - especially most of your post towards me. I look forward to your reply.
A nice little example of what we've been talking about: how language is more than just the dictionary definition.
Can't really argue with that; if that's what people call it there, that's what people call it there. Must be a bit of creep, though: at least you must get some TV calling it the Jack etc.?
Always makes me wonder where a country's name for other countries and places come from? I mean, why call it Spain when the people that live there call it España, London/Londres etc.? Odd one that.
Well said gentlemen.
It appears that I misinterpreted your comments Sir Miles, and for that I appologize. I guess your initial post was just so short and blunt that it led me to believe there was a certain emotion attached to it.
No hard feelings I hope.
-Roger Moore
During a gig last week I sang an Elvis song ("In The Ghetto") and it went down well. I challenged the audience to name any Elvis song and I would perform it (this usually works just fine) upon which someone shouted out "Paralyzed". Promptly I started off then halfway through came the line
"I'm gay every morning, at night I'm still the same"
upon which the whole place dissolved into hysterics
As for the Union Flag, I was completely unaware that it was a no no to use "Jack". I've never been corrected and had no idea it caused such ire! If that makes me ignorant, oh well, but it's sort of misplaced anger to get annoyed about something that certainly isn't common knowledge to most! I always thought it was just a cute, endearing nickname!
Yes I heard that one Monique, thanks. It's not too bad, but I'm very much against the whole "sing a duet with a dead person" thing (Sinatra with Celine Dion/Robbie Williams/ao, Nat King Cole & Natalie, and so on).
No; the BBC happily use both names; do a search for Union Jack in their search engine and you'll find plenty of results. I'm pretty sure I remember hearing that they decided to use 'Jack' a couple of years ago as policy, but I can't find any evidence of that now. You'll notice that they use both names in most pieces regarding it, for balance I suppose, but they certainly don't worry too much about the name and are happy to use 'Jack'.
'Union Jack. That's what many call the national flag, whether it's on a mast or a flagpole, but many others prefer union flag. Either is acceptable, and both are likely to generate complaints'.
http://www.bbctraining.com/pdfs/newsstyleguide.pdf
So it's wrong to say that the BBC never use the term as they frequently do and don't mind doing it, either. The importance of their opinion is pretty important, after all they even have a way of pronouncing the language named after them!
Basically, I go with the BBC; either is fine. It's just people telling others (and I do wonder if they're not just trying to show off their knowledge) That They Are Wrong which makes things uncomfortable.
Absolutely none whatsoever
And to clarify - for the benefit of emtiem - I said that I didn't realise people were ignorant of the fact, NOT that the people were ignorant.