Favourite films list suggestions

JarvioJarvio EnglandPosts: 4,241MI6 Agent
edited October 2007 in Site Help Suggestions & Announcements
I have three suggestions regarding the 'favourite films' list feature.

Suggestion 1
Somehow add up all the rankings for each film from each user's list that has ranked all 21 official Bond films, and issue an 'overall AJB list', which would contain the overall rankings of the films on the site - Would love to see how the films rank with all of AJB. This feature should only count the scores for users who have ranked ALL the films though, otherwise it wouldn't be representative at all.

Sugestion 2
Colour code the films by actor. For example, sean connery films in a red box, roger moore in green, etc etc. May seem like a random idea, but the reason I think this would be good is that it would enable us to see how popular the films are with certain actors for certain users. ie - most popular eras.

Suggestion 3
This one might not go down well. But I really feel that the unofficial bond films should not be included on the ranking list ie - NSNA, and the two unofficial CR's. I just don't think they are rankable with the other Bond films, as they are much different really, so think they should be removed from the list.

What do you think?
1 - LALD, 2 - AVTAK, 3 - LTK, 4 - OP, 5 - NTTD, 6 - FYEO, 7 - SF, 8 - DN, 9 - DAF, 10 - TSWLM, 11 - OHMSS, 12 - TMWTGG, 13 - GE, 14 - MR, 15 - TLD, 16 - YOLT, 17 - GF, 18 - DAD, 19 - TWINE, 20 - SP, 21 - TND, 22 - FRWL, 23 - TB, 24 - CR, 25 - QOS

1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby

Comments

  • SiCoSiCo EnglandPosts: 1,371M
    Suggestion 1 is already on the todo list and is a work in progress.

    Suggestion 2 is a fairly good one, I'm not sure if 'by actor' is to everyone's taste, but I may make a filter to allow viewers to turn the colours on... Or someting along those lines.

    Suggestion 3 is up for discussion, it doesn't bother me much to be honest. Some people like them and some don't. I've always taken the line that ajb should cover everything Bond. However it may not be appropriate in a ranking system, I admit.

    If anyone feels strongly please comment, otherwise I'll assess the films when I get the new version running.

    Thanks for your suggestions Jarvio.
    Simon
  • Sir Hillary BraySir Hillary Bray College of ArmsPosts: 2,174MI6 Agent
    Personally, I would keep NSNA in the rankings, as it was clearly meant to compete with the Eon series.

    The 1954 version of CR is a completely different animal, and I would venture to say most of us have never seen it.

    The 1967 version is clearly more like Austin Powers than James Bond, but I don't feel strongly either way. However, as someone who has never seen it -- :o -- I would hate for my rankings of all the others to not be counted because of lack of completeness.
    Hilly...you old devil!
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    As long as we're heaping stuff on SiCo's plate, why not a Favorite Books list, or a Favorite Video Game's list?

    Hehe! :D
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    I think that NSNA should be included, but it should be made clear that it is an unofficial film (perhaps different colouring?) I don't think that the first two CRs should be included though; I personally am yet to see 67's CR and I think it would be unfair to compare the 1954 version to the 22 feature films.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • The Sly FoxThe Sly Fox USAPosts: 467MI6 Agent
    edited October 2007
    How about an option to include the unofficial films at the user's discretion? There could be two systems: one that rates the official films and one that includes the unofficial ones. The user could just select which one they wanted by means of a radio button on the ranking page (or something along those lines). That way, those who only rate the official films in their lists (which would include myself ;% ) would be included, and those who rate any or all of the unofficial ones could also be included. Still, it might require two systems to be in place. It might not be hard to just take the official film ranking system, duplicate it and modify the copied one to include the unofficial films. Does this sound feasible?

    I'm afraid I'm very much an amateur when it comes to Web design... {:)
  • SiCoSiCo EnglandPosts: 1,371M
    darenhat wrote:
    As long as we're heaping stuff on SiCo's plate, why not a Favorite Books list, or a Favorite Video Game's list?

    Hehe! :D

    In the works. Although I don't have the video game information so if you, or a Game fan would like to compile me the details I won't say no!!

    Just to clear up how the system works in response to The Sly Fox and a couple of others about the unofficial films.

    Sly I like your idea of having options, but they don't need to be when selecting films. All films are just stored as a whole, the system knows which are official and unofficial as they are marked (hence why unofficial films are red).

    So basically for fair ratings of the official films everyone can be involved as it can just ignore them in your rankings... But then I suppose should it ignore them and leave the film in it's position, or should it in fact push all the films up a place?

    Then you could have an option to include the unofficial films when you view the rankings, this (I can't decide) would then take everyones rankings and just compile a total list. This method probably gives an unfair representation as the unofficial films won't of been chosen by everyone. However at the same time, this may be more fair as if they aren't ranked they will be at the bottom, so technically those that don't rank them don't value them...

    Or it could take only those who have ranked them in with their films. Or we could have all methods selectable with a radio button or something. As all the data is the same it's just how you display it (and work out the maths! Not my strong point!!).

    Finally of everything said about the unofficial films, I think removing the first CR is porbably the best.

    Confusing stuff! :s
    Simon
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    Si, when you finalise what needs to be done, could you give advanced warning (say, a week's notice) so that members such me, who has an incomplete list, can get our lists in order?
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    Gee, Dan, we know you're big on lists...but do you really need a full week to study for the new list? This isn't for a grade, you know! {:)
  • SiCoSiCo EnglandPosts: 1,371M
    :D There will be plenty of notice, don't worry about that! The next stage is a complete overhaul of everything, it will take a good weekend to upgrade the site. Therefore there will be tons of warning!
    Simon
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    darenhat wrote:
    Gee, Dan, we know you're big on lists...but do you really need a full week to study for the new list? This isn't for a grade, you know! {:)
    :)) When it comes to my lists I'm rather obsessive and a perfectionist, so I want my list to be as precise and perfect as possible. ;)
    SiCo wrote:
    Therefore there will be tons of warning!
    Thanks. -{
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • JennyFlexFanJennyFlexFan Posts: 1,497MI6 Agent
    Perhaps I have really special eyes but I thought the unofficial films are tinted a very dark red. I wouldn't mind seeing 1954 CR go, but 67 CR and NSNA must stay. While NSNA is more true to the formula, CR67 is just... CR67. It was competing with EON at the time while 54 was more of a precursor to Bond, and from what I've seen (as an extra on the CR54 disc) a very tedious and boring one.

    And yeah Si, all those lists would be great, but not a necessity. I'll compile a game list and send it along!
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited October 2007
    JennyFlexFan wrote:
    and from what I've seen (as an extra on the CR54 disc) a very tedious and boring one.
    If we're going to eliminate films based on them being 'tedious and boring,' there's one or two official films I wouldn't mind seeing eliminated. ;)

    Seriously though I don't think that 54's CR should go. If we include 67's CR, a spoof, then why can't we also include the 1954 version which was not all that different (in terms of basic plot) to the 2006 version?
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Lazenby880Lazenby880 LondonPosts: 525MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    JennyFlexFan wrote:
    and from what I've seen (as an extra on the CR54 disc) a very tedious and boring one.
    If we're going to eliminate films based on them being 'tedious and boring,' there's one or two official films I wouldn't mind seeing eliminated. ;)

    Seriously though I don't think that 54's CR should go. If we include 67's CR, a spoof, then why can't we also include the 1954 version which was not all that different (in terms of basic plot) to the 2006 version?
    I think the problem with this suggestion is it assumes that everyone here is a fan of the Eon film series, as opposed to James Bond the character. It was the films that introduced me to the character, but that doesn't mean I am averse to alternative depictions of Fleming's character. That said, I do think Never Say Never Again and Casino Royale 1967 are rather rubbish, but as they star James Bond I think it would be a bit unfair to erase them from memory just because they were not produced by Eon. Just my two pence. :)

    On the note of favourite lists, any chance of a book one?
  • SiCoSiCo EnglandPosts: 1,371M
    Lazenby880 wrote:
    On the note of favourite lists, any chance of a book one?

    As mentioned above it is on the cards yes. If anyone could supply me with cover images for all the books, and a complete list of the non Fleming books (if you wish for them to be included that is...), with release dates, author etc. It would be most appreciated.
    Simon
  • darenhatdarenhat The Old PuebloPosts: 2,029Quartermasters
    edited October 2007
    SiCo wrote:
    Lazenby880 wrote:
    On the note of favourite lists, any chance of a book one?

    As mentioned above it is on the cards yes. If anyone could supply me with cover images for all the books, and a complete list of the non Fleming books (if you wish for them to be included that is...), with release dates, author etc. It would be most appreciated.

    What do you think is the best way to approach the 'Young Bond' novels? Should they be classified as continuation novels, or ignored completely?
  • youknowmynameyouknowmyname Gainesville, FL, USAPosts: 703MI6 Agent
    About the movies list: Take off CR 54 and 67, but keep NSNA.

    About the books list: Fleming only, otherwise we could go down a slippery slope and then start including fan fiction in this list...I would be open to some arguments regarding Amis, Gardner, Benson, etc. but where would we draw the line? There are just so many, and some of us (like me) haven't read them all (young Bond and Benson). A Fleming-only list (although some people haven't read them either) would be justifiable because they are the original "gangstas" :) so to speak.

    I like lists. I, like DanSame, would need some time to think about it, and with the books would probably need to read them over.

    About the compilation of all of our lists. That would be amazing, a unified voice of Flemingists and Cinematic Bond Enthusiasts on favorite movies...my heart skips a beat!
    "We have all the time in the world..."
  • SiCoSiCo EnglandPosts: 1,371M
    I don't know whether we should include them or not, or just do seperate lists for each? It's all fairly easy as long as I have the information.

    However is that over kill? How many lists do we need? We will end up with lists of lists. However if people like the idea I am very open to doing a whole array of lists.

    I will go on your thoughts on this and how to seperate the novels / stories.
    Simon
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    youknowmyname wrote:
    About the movies list: Take off CR 54 and 67, but keep NSNA.
    I would agree with that. Although I have seen it, many people haven't seen 54's CR and I think it's quite unfait to compare what is essentially a one hour telemovie to 22 feature films. As for 67's CR; it's a spoof and therefore an entirely different beast to the 22 other feature films. Plus, from a personal point of view, I haven't seen it and I wouldn't want to be disqualified from the list-making because of it. :))
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
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