Good Trilogy's are always ruined!

Sweepy the CatSweepy the Cat Halifax, West Yorkshire, EnglaPosts: 986MI6 Agent
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Have any of you noticed how may good trilogies have been ruined!!! Here are some

Star Wars
Die Hard
Indiana Jones
Batman
Terminator
Rambo
Rocky

Anyone noticed this. Feel free to add any more to the list.
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    Do you mean they're ruined by a fourth being added, Sweepy?

    Or ruined within the trilogy itself?
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • Sweepy the CatSweepy the Cat Halifax, West Yorkshire, EnglaPosts: 986MI6 Agent
    A fourth being added. It's just cheating money out of an otherwise succesful series. Sure I don't mind some like Rocky 4 was ok but I'd rather stay with the original. It really finished with 5 which was crap and over 15 years later look what we got!
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  • s96024s96024 Posts: 1,519MI6 Agent
    This is sadly usually the case. I don't know whether this is down to them just not trying as hard and relying on success of the first film. I would cite the bourne films as one exception. I'm sure there are others but there just not popping into my head.
  • CasinoChris75CasinoChris75 Posts: 80MI6 Agent
    Sweepy the Cat wrote:
    Have any of you noticed how may good trilogies have been ruined!!! Here are some. Feel free to add any more to the list.

    Star Wars-The Prequel films did not ruin the original trilogy. Return of the Jedi was terrific, and did not ruin the first two either.

    Die Hard-Die Hard With A Vengeance was bad and a big step down from the first two. I have not seen the fourth film.

    Indiana Jones-Last Crusade sucked. I still think the first two are great and have not been ruined by the third picture.

    Batman-All four of those films stunk. Begins is excellent.
  • Sweepy the CatSweepy the Cat Halifax, West Yorkshire, EnglaPosts: 986MI6 Agent
    edited November 2007
    Batman-All four of those films stunk. Begins is excellent.

    Batman 1+2 - Good
    Batman 3 - Ok
    Batman 4 - Pants
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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    Sweepy, Considering that the fourth Rambo, Terminator and Indiana Jones films are yet to be released, how do you know that these trilogys have been ruined? :))
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Sweepy the CatSweepy the Cat Halifax, West Yorkshire, EnglaPosts: 986MI6 Agent
    C'mon, Arnie's too old for Terminator, Sly's too old for Rambo (and Rocky) and Harrison Ford's too old for Indiana Jones
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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited November 2007
    Arnie's not going to be in T4, the trailer for Rambo 4 looks good IMO and I will withhold my judgement on Indiana Jones until I know more, so I can't agree with you on these three trilogys.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    We shall see. Myself, I believe three films is the limit. After that it gets too farfetched to believe a hero could still survive for so long plus often any the story arc is complete. Even Bond's world was complete after GF, its mostly bigger and better from thereon.

    Usually there's a big gap between the 3rd and 4th as if intended to buck this trend.
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    CasinoChris75 wrote:
    Star Wars-The Prequel films did not ruin the original trilogy. Return of the Jedi was terrific, and did not ruin the first two either.
    I agree. The way I see it, the prequels are not completely terrible (they do have their redeeming features) but one can easily ignore them if one truly hates them.

    As for Die Hard, I enjoyed Die Hard 4.0. I didn't love it, but in no way do I think it ruined this magnificent trilogy. :D
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Sir Hillary BraySir Hillary Bray College of ArmsPosts: 2,174MI6 Agent
    My solution to this is, wherever possible, to consider the films not as a series, but as individual works.

    Sometimes this is easy (Indiana Jones) because the films don't really have much to do with each other, plotwise. In that case, Raiders remains one of my all-time favorites after 20+ viewings, while Temple (absolutely horrible) and Crusade (so-so) I have no interest in seeing again.

    Sometimes the plot linkages make it harder (Star Wars) to compartmentalize, but I try to anyway.

    In any event, bad sequels don't diminish strong originals, IMO. I'm a huge Terminator fan, but disliked T2 and will probably never see T3 or T4. But that doesn't change how much I love the first one.
    Hilly...you old devil!
  • Krassno GranitskiKrassno Granitski USAPosts: 896MI6 Agent
    Sweepy the Cat wrote:
    Have any of you noticed how may good trilogies have been ruined!!! Here are some

    Star Wars
    Die Hard
    Indiana Jones
    Batman
    Terminator
    Rambo
    Rocky

    Anyone noticed this. Feel free to add any more to the list.
    Rambo
    Rocky
    Are really the only ones were I did not enjoy any of the sequels. The first 3 Batman were good, however the 4th movie might be the worst in the history of cinema.
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  • Sweepy the CatSweepy the Cat Halifax, West Yorkshire, EnglaPosts: 986MI6 Agent
    The thing is though, wouldn't you all have prefered it if these series just had the original 3 films without anymore.
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  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 10,467MI6 Agent
    :D

    Dr No-GF, no TB
    LALD - TSWLM, no MR
    GE - TWINE, no DAD

    Some may say Sweepy's onto something!
    "This is where we leave you Mr Bond."

    Roger Moore 1927-2017
  • Krassno GranitskiKrassno Granitski USAPosts: 896MI6 Agent
    edited November 2007
    Sweepy the Cat wrote:
    The thing is though, wouldn't you all have prefered it if these series just had the original 3 films without anymore.
    No
    Napoleon Plural wrote:
    :D

    Dr No-GF, no TB
    LALD - TSWLM, no MR
    GE - TWINE, no DAD

    Some may say Sweepy's onto something!
    Nope TB is an awesome film with Connery's best performance. Your other 2 examples are good though.
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  • Sweepy the CatSweepy the Cat Halifax, West Yorkshire, EnglaPosts: 986MI6 Agent
    Napoleon Plural wrote:
    :D

    Dr No-GF, no TB
    LALD - TSWLM, no MR
    GE - TWINE, no DAD

    Some may say Sweepy's onto something!

    I remember someone once saying the fourth is always very succesful but not liked by fans. I think I am actually nto something!!!
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  • Krassno GranitskiKrassno Granitski USAPosts: 896MI6 Agent
    edited November 2007
    Sweepy the Cat wrote:
    Napoleon Plural wrote:
    :D

    Dr No-GF, no TB
    LALD - TSWLM, no MR
    GE - TWINE, no DAD

    Some may say Sweepy's onto something!

    I remember someone once saying the fourth is always very succesful but not liked by fans. I think I am actually nto something!!!
    Thunderball not liked by fans? Where the hell is your evidence?

    According to this board and those that voted it's the 4th best Bond film.

    Final Ranking

    01)From Russia With Love
    02)On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    03)Goldfinger
    04)Thunderball
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  • Sweepy the CatSweepy the Cat Halifax, West Yorkshire, EnglaPosts: 986MI6 Agent
    Meh, people can have their opinions. Anyway, I found it quite boring. Sure it's not a bad film but doesn't come close to the first three. And that's already been proved by Imdb, the biggest film site in the world. Anyway, let's move back onto topic, we all know JB is great and wonderful but this is the off-topic forum.
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  • Krassno GranitskiKrassno Granitski USAPosts: 896MI6 Agent
    Sweepy the Cat wrote:
    Meh, people can have their opinions. Anyway, I found it quite boring. Sure it's not a bad film but doesn't come close to the first three. And that's already been proved by Imdb, the biggest film site in the world. Anyway, let's move back onto topic, we all know JB is great and wonderful but this is the off-topic forum.
    You said the 4th film in a series is always weak, Thunderball is far from weak. Don't say something unless you can back it up. And don't give me IMBD, where is it proven? Link?
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  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited November 2007
    Krassno Granitski wrote:
    According to this board and those that voted it's the 4th best Bond film.

    Final Ranking

    01)From Russia With Love
    02)On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    03)Goldfinger
    04)Thunderball
    I too think that TB is a brilliant film, however any poll that does not have GF at number 1 is not legitimate in my mind. :v
    Sweepy the Cat wrote:
    Meh, people can have their opinions. Anyway, I found it quite boring. Sure it's not a bad film but doesn't come close to the first three. And that's already been proved by Imdb, the biggest film site in the world.
    Uh, just because alot of people voted against (or for) it on IMDB doesn't prove anything. It's simply an opinion. You can't prove or disprove something that is subjective.
    Sweepy the Cat wrote:
    The thing is though, wouldn't you all have prefered it if these series just had the original 3 films without anymore.
    It depends on the series. Generally speaking, I would prefer that series are capped at three films but that is only because in most series, the filmmakers seem unable to think up fresh ideas beyond the three films. However there are some series (such as Dirty Harry and James Bond) which arguably show that the filmmakers were right to make more than three films.

    I dislike making generalizations like 'good trilogy's are always ruined' simply because, while in many cases it may be true, in other cases, with the right filmmakers, it may be false.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Sweepy the CatSweepy the Cat Halifax, West Yorkshire, EnglaPosts: 986MI6 Agent
    Ok, ok, lets all settle down.
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  • Krassno GranitskiKrassno Granitski USAPosts: 896MI6 Agent
    Sweepy the Cat wrote:
    Ok, ok, lets all settle down.
    You started it :p
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  • JamesbondjrJamesbondjr Posts: 462MI6 Agent
    Napoleon Plural wrote:
    :D

    Dr No-GF, no TB
    LALD - TSWLM, no MR
    GE - TWINE, no DAD

    Some may say Sweepy's onto something!

    And taste depending, some may say it's BS ;)

    In regard to the original generalisation by Sweepy, it ranks with the generalisation that sequels are never as good as the original.

    It all comes down to who is watching. Some will absolutely love the same film someone else detests, thats the beauty of film. It's all down to you what you like and dislike. And also it gives us something to talk about {[] .


    I would argue that some good trilogies have been made better with additional films (Star Wars, Die Hard), some bad trilogies been made worse (Police Academy, Species)and some great films that have spawned 2 bad sequels to become bad trilogies (The Matrix, Beverly Hills Cop, Final Destination)

    Thats my thoughts anyway!

    Feel free to disagree ;)
    1- On Her Majesty's Secret Service 2- Casino Royale 3- Licence To Kill 4- Goldeneye 5- From Russia With Love
  • Krassno GranitskiKrassno Granitski USAPosts: 896MI6 Agent
    edited November 2007
    I liked Final Destination 2. shrugs
    Never saw part 3
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  • youknowmynameyouknowmyname Gainesville, FL, USAPosts: 703MI6 Agent
    Jamesbondjr wrote:
    Napoleon Plural wrote:
    :D


    It all comes down to who is watching. Some will absolutely love the same film someone else detests, thats the beauty of film. It's all down to you what you like and dislike. And also it gives us something to talk about {[] .


    ;)

    So right. I was wine tasting one time and the wisest words I heard amongst all the wine chatter was "Some folks will tell you that this wine is better than that wine, these grapes better, this more full bodied, aged oak, blah, blah, blah...but all wine tasting comes down to is whether or not you like that wine in your mouth at the moment you are drinking it."

    It's the same here. We can talk what makes this trilogy better, this JB film better or worse, etc. etc. but we all have our own opinions. The only thing we can try and get right is the way we interact on this site. Let's keep talking opinions, but let's respect opinions and let them be what they are. I think it is very rare that anyone changes someone else's opinion on this site. ;)

    As far as trilogies go: my favorites have to be Star Wars (original although I watch the new ones and enjoy them), LOTR (whew, what a great one), Indiana Jones, Matrix (I like 2 and 3...I know, I know give me your criticisms I still have fun watching them), Austin Powers, and the Bourne trilogy (if they stop here, does anyone know if they're continuing?).

    Yes, I think some movies should not be made into trilogies (Final Destination IMO should've been left alone) and some movies not into series. However, there are others that have to be made (JB, Harry Potter, Godfather, etc.).
    "We have all the time in the world..."
  • Sweepy the CatSweepy the Cat Halifax, West Yorkshire, EnglaPosts: 986MI6 Agent
    Krassno Granitski wrote:
    Sweepy the Cat wrote:
    Ok, ok, lets all settle down.
    You started it :p

    Whta, by saying TB was a poor bond film :))
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  • Krassno GranitskiKrassno Granitski USAPosts: 896MI6 Agent
    Sweepy the Cat wrote:
    Krassno Granitski wrote:
    Sweepy the Cat wrote:
    Ok, ok, lets all settle down.
    You started it :p

    Whta, by saying TB was a poor bond film :))
    No, by starting this....topic
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  • Sweepy the CatSweepy the Cat Halifax, West Yorkshire, EnglaPosts: 986MI6 Agent
    edited November 2007
    What, I'm starting a topic about other popular series and what me and other people are thinking about them, I get your point, you like TB! X-(
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  • Sweepy the CatSweepy the Cat Halifax, West Yorkshire, EnglaPosts: 986MI6 Agent
    Napoleon Plural wrote:
    :D

    Dr No-GF, no TB
    LALD - TSWLM, no MR
    GE - TWINE, no DAD

    Some may say Sweepy's onto something!

    Wait a minute, MR's your 2nd fave film! Why dis it?
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  • Krassno GranitskiKrassno Granitski USAPosts: 896MI6 Agent
    edited November 2007
    Sweepy the Cat wrote:
    What, I'm starting a topic about other popular series and what me and other people are thinking about them, I get your point, you like TB! X-(
    Not only that but I like all these trilogies.
    Star Wars - Both
    Die Hard
    Indiana Jones
    Batman
    Terminator
    Spider-Man
    Dirty Harry
    American Pie
    Austin Powers
    Back to the Future
    Blade Trilogy
    The Bourne Trilogy
    Evil Dead
    The Godfather
    Jurassic Park
    The Lord of the Rings
    Mariachi Trilogy
    The Naked Gun
    Pirates of the Caribbean
    Rush Hour
    Shrek
    X-Men

    That about covers it, most of the time the 3rd movie is not as good as the others, but I love movies so the more the merrier. I would would have no problem paying to see the 4th, 5th.... installments.
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