...I really despise how this thread has begun to divide our group instead of galvanizing it. This project was going to bring people together not split them apart. Our 'family' is too small and special to have a project like this cause a rift so let's stay on target with our words...
I agree with Mantis. We should all be more supportive of one another. Great line from the Will Farrell movie Semi Pro..."Everybody love everybody." When the shirts are done we can all scream "Let's get tropical!!!!"...also from Semi Pro...
I never thought I would invoke the "wisdom" of Will Farrell here but wanted to lighten the mood.
Do unto your Bond brother as you would have your Bond brother do unto you.
The best of plans do not survive the first shots of battle. The guys heading up the project did not see any of this stuff coming. They're doing their best to improvise, adapt and overcome...we should do the same. Commander Bond would fer crissakes.
I would prefer standard and mass produced shirts to tailored ones by some mystery tailor. It is hard to tailor a shirt without a body and then charge an exorbitant price and request to add on fees for something that is standard is outrageous. I agree with others on here that someone else could produce these shirts at a more reasonable price for the same if not better quality. I don't want to offend the fine people who have undertaken this process, but it seems as though the so called tailors have this project by the balls. And how is it that EON has rights to this fabric? If that was the case, you would have had to get their permission to use it and reproduce shirts. And why wouldn't they take advantage of that and license it? I am sure you guys will resolve this, but I wouldn't mind waiting longer to find another tailor who is easier and more agreeable.
Everyone needs to settle with the "mysery" tailor comments. They are a good company and have been great to deal with for the most part. youdont have ALL the details of this project and are jumping to conclusions. The companies identity is being held back to prevent hundreds of bond fans contacting them which they obvioulsy dont have time to deal with.
They initially were going to charge us 100 GBP per shirt with us supplyinmg the material, I got them down to 60GBP (for you guys, not for me) and Im confident that I will be able to sort this out but it doesnt help with everyone "going off on one" and slagging off other peoples nationality!
I'm going to toss out a few random thoughts and then run for cover, as I'm probably just stirring up the hornets' nest on both sides...
Ok... so lets say the pattern doesnt line up on every pocket on every seam the same exact way it did on the shirt Daniel Craig wore. Fair nuff...
Let's set aside the fact that the ONLY people who would actually care if the pattern lines up are currently bickering on this message board. I mean seriously... Would ANYONE else on God's green earth ever notice that the pattern is ever so slightly different?
And on the same hand, we're all assuming that this is the kind of shirt that, if one were to buy it off the rack, would be SO well made that the pattern would line up exactly on each shirt. Lets get into the character again for just a second. I watched Casino Royale and saw a brand new, unrefined James Bond in disguise who was probably wearing a shirt and pants that was right off the discount rack. Leave it to us to turn this shirt into something that can only be painstakingly handcrafted to get the same effect?
In other words... wouldn't this shirt be more accurate if it had a few 'inaccuracies'?
On the other side of the coin, when this project first got underway, I was under the impression that the tailor was the same tailor who had created the original shirt for Daniel Craig? Did I competely make that up? I had been bragging to my non-Bond friends, "same guy, same material... WELL worth the investment." Now he's been dismissed to 'the mystery tailor?'
Was I just dreaming when I thought the tailor brought some gravitas to the table? Meaning NO disrespect to all the legwork that's been done... Is there something to be said for grabbing the material and bringing it to comeone like Indy Magnoli?
Anyway, these are all just some thoughts I had... The bottomline is, I am buying at least one of these shirts, and I know I'll be absolutely thrilled with it no matter what!
I very much suspect this project was set up more with the heart than the head, with the attitude of the fan rather than the businessman?
My take is that unless the original shirt maker -are being used, what does it matter who makes the shirt? Similarly, on accuracy, I suppose - 100% accurate = higher price - though I think most were lead to believe this was taken for granted from the start?
I'd hate to see the project fail at this late stage because I feel a lot of hard work has been put in by those involved, even though perhaps the "business" element of the deal hasn't been handled quite as well as it perhaps might.
But I'd bet this'll be the first and LAST project of this type you guys undertake, right?
I don't write a lot because I'm not english and write and translate is very complicated for me.
I hope you understand me that I'll say.
I'm in the list of buyer of the madagascar shirt.
I think it's very expensive, but I understand that original fabric and original taylor justify the price.
But when I saw the shirt I dissapointed because the shirt isn't the same that DC wear in the film.
The collar is very big, I've see this scene several times, and the collar is different
The shirt is slim fit, when in the film DC wear the shirt and it could be classic fit or similar.
Then, I'm thinking that the pattern doesnt line up on every pocket is it less important of everything.
Then, I thinking to pay 300$ for a shirt that isn't the same that DC wear in the film is very very expensive.
In any case, I accept what the majority says.
My gratefulness to everybody who are in charge of the project and thanks for the hard works.
Best regards
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,541MI6 Agent
edited June 2008
Don't worry about the collar, it is EXACTLY the same size as Craigs screen worn shirt. Also the fit is not as tight as you see it on Simon, Simon is actually wearing a Craig sized shirt in that picture and it is not made to fit Simon. The shirt design is exactly 100% the same as the screen worn version, it's just that the patterns don't match up yet, that is the only flaw in the original prototype pictured and one we are fixing. All yoke, hem, pocket, plackett and collar sizes are spot on to the screen used shirt without any doubt. It's just maybe the pictures that make it look off.
Don't worry about the collar, it is EXACTLY the same size as Craigs screen worn shirt. Also the fit is not as tight as you see it on Simon, Simon is actually wearing a Craig sized shirt in that picture and it is not made to fit Simon. The shirt design is exactly 100% the same as the screen worn version, it's just that the patterns don't match up yet, that is the only flaw in the original prototype pictured and one we are fixing. All yoke, hem, pocket, plackett and collar sizes are spot on to the screen used shirt without any doubt. It's just maybe the pictures that make it look off.
You mean Simon is bigger than Craig?!:o:o
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,541MI6 Agent
Don't worry about the collar, it is EXACTLY the same size as Craigs screen worn shirt. Also the fit is not as tight as you see it on Simon, Simon is actually wearing a Craig sized shirt in that picture and it is not made to fit Simon. The shirt design is exactly 100% the same as the screen worn version, it's just that the patterns don't match up yet, that is the only flaw in the original prototype pictured and one we are fixing. All yoke, hem, pocket, plackett and collar sizes are spot on to the screen used shirt without any doubt. It's just maybe the pictures that make it look off.
Ok I feel I should make a pubic appology for some things I said earlier in this forum ...
What I said about turkey.and its people ... I did not mean it in an offensive and discriminating way.. I do take back what I said ... but i would like to say that it was ment in a sarcastic way .. and not an offensive... way .. RE CAPPING and looking back it was a dum statement to make and I apologise for it. Some people would have seen the humour in it but most would'nt... Come on when I was in Turkey on holiday I made a lot of good friends had many laughs.. and I am happy to say my James Bond rolex watch is a copy from Turkey and when my brother goes thios year I have gave him a list of top quality omega watches and bretlin watches to bring back no not an amount that would be classes as smuggling ..LOL
once again I am sorry .. and I did not have sexual relations with that woman...
I do stick by what I said about the shirt ... some people got bit overly deffensive ... and I did not mean to enrage certain members...
I AM NOT ADVISING .. anyone to buy cheap ripp off replicas... all I said was that I bet there will be a cheap rip off replica avaliable soon.. and people will buy it this is common knowledge... and a fact of like... I AM NOT ADVISING A CHEAP RIPP OFF SHIRT all I am saying is that one will more than likely be available .. no doubt .. thats all...
and I am happy to say my James Bond rolex watch is a copy from Turkey and when my brother goes thios year I have gave him a list of top quality omega watches and bretlin watches to bring back no not an amount that would be classes as smuggling ..LOL
I think your running out of feet to put in your mouth, talk about digging yourself a deeper hole
I think, that this will be virtually impossible.
First of all, I am sure, that there is more than only 1 shirt (but I admit, that they may have all the same size in regards of collar) and secondly, there is noone beeing known, who has the real one in his/her collection.
I trust the gents who have started this project and when they say, that the collar size is accurate after several requests, I take this for granted.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,541MI6 Agent
I trust the gents who have started this project and when they say, that the collar size is accurate after several requests, I take this for granted.
Yes, it is made to exactly the same specs that the tailors have on record in regards to: cut, shape, stitching and measurements. This is the one thing that is incontestable.
U know when the brits have had too much fun when they start insulting the french....
enough of this mindless baiting, we're all brothers in arms on here.... I tgt we'd agreed after the dumb anti-turk stuff (tho it's clearly inspired them and now the germans stand in their way....u shaking just a little markus?...)
i've left this thread(bare) alone as i promised i would, to allow enough time to gain TOTAL ACCEPTANCE for the shirt, knowing well that a quick glance of pics wouldn't be enough....others wanted to approve and move on almost immediately.......yes it was a stroke of business nouse that said no wait a while longer....as 1st the collar debate raged, then the yolk, the whole joke, festered.....then back to the collar....
imagine the business nouse required to deal with the howls of fouls when the shirts turned up?...
believe it or not i dnt hv the time....
so we're where we were....
except i regret letting some turn this thread into a comedy of insults and scepticism....
And those that think i/we are doing a bad job, just step forward with ur $10,000 and the role is urs...
Yeah if i were a business man i'd hv turned and run a mile rather than front this escapade....
so i'd like the opportunity to put a few things straight and profer a plan of action;
1) the nonsense about mystery tailors setting out to mug grannies is ludicrous and shows a lack of attention to the thread....we were clear from the start that this is going to be done by the actual tailor and with the actual material....hence it would be a collectable to be proud of and one that would be rare.
2) those that have made efforts to move this or competing projects (if they exist) into the cheaper, copyright infringing realm had no genuine interest in this project other than to bait and joust.....( recall tremaine?)
3) i'm completely convinced that the collar is within 0.5cm of the original....that's good enough for me though not for all
4) the yolk et al issues are serious for some, hence we''ve pushed back, but the best we could do was get it down to £20 surcharge (ie $340 ps)
5) for those who dnt care if the shirt is a renoir the $300 stands....
6) before we move forward, in view of the confusion created recently, i'd like to see a show of hands/pms confirming numbers for each option.....
7) once we have those numbers we'll move forward
8) finally i'd like to thank those who hv voiced the unconditional support for the project on this thread...u know who you are...as do I....
I'm in for one, possibly two. Probably the "Renoir" version.
DG
So, what sharp little eyes you've got...wait till you get to my teeth.
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Two please...and some pouridge on the side would ebe nice...
Thanks for setting it straight, Paul...I realize I come off biased by saying this but Paul showed great business acumen and restraint with many issues around this project.
I tgt we'd agreed after the dumb anti-turk stuff (tho it's clearly inspired them and now the germans stand in their way....u shaking just a little markus?...)
:v me, shaking????
We will give you a reply on this on Wednesday as you will see and Asp9mm will then be reminded back to 1966!
By the way, have you seen his car recently?
A good thing will be: No matter, who's the winner on this match, we'll have great car corsos here
And I hope, that your team will make it to SA in 2010 and there will be no more excuses with bad food, or Posh being in bad mood etc.
About the shirt:
If I want such a thing getting done, it should be done the right way, so, please one for 340,-- for me, Sir -{
And, did you really have to ask? :v
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Comments
I agree with Mantis. We should all be more supportive of one another. Great line from the Will Farrell movie Semi Pro..."Everybody love everybody." When the shirts are done we can all scream "Let's get tropical!!!!"...also from Semi Pro...
I never thought I would invoke the "wisdom" of Will Farrell here but wanted to lighten the mood.
Do unto your Bond brother as you would have your Bond brother do unto you.
The best of plans do not survive the first shots of battle. The guys heading up the project did not see any of this stuff coming. They're doing their best to improvise, adapt and overcome...we should do the same. Commander Bond would fer crissakes.
WWJBD
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They initially were going to charge us 100 GBP per shirt with us supplyinmg the material, I got them down to 60GBP (for you guys, not for me) and Im confident that I will be able to sort this out but it doesnt help with everyone "going off on one" and slagging off other peoples nationality!
Ok... so lets say the pattern doesnt line up on every pocket on every seam the same exact way it did on the shirt Daniel Craig wore. Fair nuff...
Let's set aside the fact that the ONLY people who would actually care if the pattern lines up are currently bickering on this message board. I mean seriously... Would ANYONE else on God's green earth ever notice that the pattern is ever so slightly different?
And on the same hand, we're all assuming that this is the kind of shirt that, if one were to buy it off the rack, would be SO well made that the pattern would line up exactly on each shirt. Lets get into the character again for just a second. I watched Casino Royale and saw a brand new, unrefined James Bond in disguise who was probably wearing a shirt and pants that was right off the discount rack. Leave it to us to turn this shirt into something that can only be painstakingly handcrafted to get the same effect?
In other words... wouldn't this shirt be more accurate if it had a few 'inaccuracies'?
On the other side of the coin, when this project first got underway, I was under the impression that the tailor was the same tailor who had created the original shirt for Daniel Craig? Did I competely make that up? I had been bragging to my non-Bond friends, "same guy, same material... WELL worth the investment." Now he's been dismissed to 'the mystery tailor?'
Was I just dreaming when I thought the tailor brought some gravitas to the table? Meaning NO disrespect to all the legwork that's been done... Is there something to be said for grabbing the material and bringing it to comeone like Indy Magnoli?
Anyway, these are all just some thoughts I had... The bottomline is, I am buying at least one of these shirts, and I know I'll be absolutely thrilled with it no matter what!
Amd THANKS guys for all the hard work!!
My take is that unless the original shirt maker -are being used, what does it matter who makes the shirt? Similarly, on accuracy, I suppose - 100% accurate = higher price - though I think most were lead to believe this was taken for granted from the start?
I'd hate to see the project fail at this late stage because I feel a lot of hard work has been put in by those involved, even though perhaps the "business" element of the deal hasn't been handled quite as well as it perhaps might.
But I'd bet this'll be the first and LAST project of this type you guys undertake, right?
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I hope you understand me that I'll say.
I'm in the list of buyer of the madagascar shirt.
I think it's very expensive, but I understand that original fabric and original taylor justify the price.
But when I saw the shirt I dissapointed because the shirt isn't the same that DC wear in the film.
The collar is very big, I've see this scene several times, and the collar is different
The shirt is slim fit, when in the film DC wear the shirt and it could be classic fit or similar.
Then, I'm thinking that the pattern doesnt line up on every pocket is it less important of everything.
Then, I thinking to pay 300$ for a shirt that isn't the same that DC wear in the film is very very expensive.
In any case, I accept what the majority says.
My gratefulness to everybody who are in charge of the project and thanks for the hard works.
Best regards
You mean Simon is bigger than Craig?!:o:o
It's something that he will not let us forget.
Compare the distance betwin collar and the sleeve.
I think it's bigger.
http://www.ajb007.co.uk/index.php?topic=29632&cpage=40
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
What I said about turkey.and its people ... I did not mean it in an offensive and discriminating way.. I do take back what I said ... but i would like to say that it was ment in a sarcastic way .. and not an offensive... way .. RE CAPPING and looking back it was a dum statement to make and I apologise for it. Some people would have seen the humour in it but most would'nt... Come on when I was in Turkey on holiday I made a lot of good friends had many laughs.. and I am happy to say my James Bond rolex watch is a copy from Turkey and when my brother goes thios year I have gave him a list of top quality omega watches and bretlin watches to bring back no not an amount that would be classes as smuggling ..LOL
once again I am sorry .. and I did not have sexual relations with that woman...
I do stick by what I said about the shirt ... some people got bit overly deffensive ... and I did not mean to enrage certain members...
I AM NOT ADVISING .. anyone to buy cheap ripp off replicas... all I said was that I bet there will be a cheap rip off replica avaliable soon.. and people will buy it this is common knowledge... and a fact of like... I AM NOT ADVISING A CHEAP RIPP OFF SHIRT all I am saying is that one will more than likely be available .. no doubt .. thats all...
ok back to the shirt .. Good luck with it
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I won't blame people for not understanding the humor which you say, has been involved.
It was dumb. period.
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I think your running out of feet to put in your mouth, talk about digging yourself a deeper hole
"Putting feet in my mouth"!
I am deeply concerned, that this language goes more and more into the direction of comics.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
First of all, I am sure, that there is more than only 1 shirt (but I admit, that they may have all the same size in regards of collar) and secondly, there is noone beeing known, who has the real one in his/her collection.
I trust the gents who have started this project and when they say, that the collar size is accurate after several requests, I take this for granted.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
Yes, it is made to exactly the same specs that the tailors have on record in regards to: cut, shape, stitching and measurements. This is the one thing that is incontestable.
U know when the brits have had too much fun when they start insulting the french....
enough of this mindless baiting, we're all brothers in arms on here.... I tgt we'd agreed after the dumb anti-turk stuff (tho it's clearly inspired them and now the germans stand in their way....u shaking just a little markus?...)
i've left this thread(bare) alone as i promised i would, to allow enough time to gain TOTAL ACCEPTANCE for the shirt, knowing well that a quick glance of pics wouldn't be enough....others wanted to approve and move on almost immediately.......yes it was a stroke of business nouse that said no wait a while longer....as 1st the collar debate raged, then the yolk, the whole joke, festered.....then back to the collar....
imagine the business nouse required to deal with the howls of fouls when the shirts turned up?...
believe it or not i dnt hv the time....
so we're where we were....
except i regret letting some turn this thread into a comedy of insults and scepticism....
And those that think i/we are doing a bad job, just step forward with ur $10,000 and the role is urs...
Yeah if i were a business man i'd hv turned and run a mile rather than front this escapade....
so i'd like the opportunity to put a few things straight and profer a plan of action;
1) the nonsense about mystery tailors setting out to mug grannies is ludicrous and shows a lack of attention to the thread....we were clear from the start that this is going to be done by the actual tailor and with the actual material....hence it would be a collectable to be proud of and one that would be rare.
2) those that have made efforts to move this or competing projects (if they exist) into the cheaper, copyright infringing realm had no genuine interest in this project other than to bait and joust.....( recall tremaine?)
3) i'm completely convinced that the collar is within 0.5cm of the original....that's good enough for me though not for all
4) the yolk et al issues are serious for some, hence we''ve pushed back, but the best we could do was get it down to £20 surcharge (ie $340 ps)
5) for those who dnt care if the shirt is a renoir the $300 stands....
6) before we move forward, in view of the confusion created recently, i'd like to see a show of hands/pms confirming numbers for each option.....
7) once we have those numbers we'll move forward
8) finally i'd like to thank those who hv voiced the unconditional support for the project on this thread...u know who you are...as do I....
cheers paul
DITTO!
DG
"People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." Richard Grenier after George Orwell, Washington Times 1993.
Thanks for setting it straight, Paul...I realize I come off biased by saying this but Paul showed great business acumen and restraint with many issues around this project.
:v me, shaking????
We will give you a reply on this on Wednesday as you will see and Asp9mm will then be reminded back to 1966!
By the way, have you seen his car recently?
A good thing will be: No matter, who's the winner on this match, we'll have great car corsos here
And I hope, that your team will make it to SA in 2010 and there will be no more excuses with bad food, or Posh being in bad mood etc.
About the shirt:
If I want such a thing getting done, it should be done the right way, so, please one for 340,-- for me, Sir -{
And, did you really have to ask? :v
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!