Fantastic episode. I was a bit worried that Desmond was going to die, but thankfully he seems to have made it. It would be a pity to lose him so soon. Am I right in thinking that the writing in Farraday's journal, in which he vows to make Desmond his constant should anything happen to him, was not there originally. Farraday had clearly never seen it before. This negates his younger self's claim that you cannot alter the future. And I'm looking forward to seeing who's the captain of the ship. It couldn't be Michael could it? he knows a thing or two about boats. It would certainly explain how he could sabotage the ship, and send info about the crew to Ben, without attracting suspicion.
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And so it would indeed seem that Mr. Martini is right: the island somehow exists outside of time. At the very least it's been established that consciousnesses can travel through time
Just finished watching last weeks episode. A good episode, but hard to type down and explain. I'll wait for next weeks episode.
P.S. HB, I wish I could take credit for that theroy, but it was lifted from another message board i post at. The person who posted it said her fiance lifted it from another site, but couldn't remember where.
Some people would complain even if you hang them with a new rope
Well I am missing tonights episode unfortunately, but the good news is I will be able to watch it tomorrow. Hopefully, it will be on par with the last episode. I will check in on everyone's opinions tomorrow after watching it myself. Methinks it's about time for Michael to show up.
I'm not sure you missed much, cbdouble07. It was kind of a disappointing episode, with a lot of running around in the jungle, the redheaded chick (the poor man's Nicole Kidman, I guess) bonking people on the backs of their heads, and a climax set in what I almost thought was the nuclear reactor room from Dr. No. The best bits were the surprise opening that made it look like Juliette was one of the Oceanic Six, only to reveal it was another flashback (ho-hum, Juliette's adventures on the island) and the tidbits of information about the man Ben Linus claims to be the person who owns the boat. Next week we're supposed to see "someone we thought we'd never see again." Hmmm--I wonder who that could be?
Ah, well, they can't all be gems. . .
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I agree fully with HB. I think these last two episodes were probably supposed to orginally air during the Holiday season, but then the writers strike happened and pushed everything back. So if that's true next weeks episode should be a good one. And if I read my stuff correctly it will be a cliff hanger episode. In other words, the last show filmed before the writers strike. I have a feeling this will probably be the last new episode for a few weeks. Any guesses as to who the last of the Oceanic 6 will be?
Some people would complain even if you hang them with a new rope
You are right HB, not exactly a gem. I suppose after last week anything would be a letdown. I had a suspicion that the man behind the people on the boat would be Charles and this appears to be the case, though anything that Ben says must be taken with a grain of salt. I would guess that he is the one Ben is sending Sayid after. The last of the Oceanic Six? I have no idea at this point. Maybe Sun? Kind of looked like that might be the case from the previews. She could save her baby. But leaving Jin behind? Looks like we will finally see Michael again. Next week should be a good one.
the redheaded chick (the poor man's Nicole Kidman, I guess)
Oh, I like the redhead a lot. She's stunning. But that was a fairly lame episode. And I almost laughed when Ben told Locke he'd have to sit down before he found out who the man on the boat is. Its Michael. Harold Perrinau is listed in the credits. I really do not know why they did that. It has ruined what would have been a humdinger of a surprise.
Its Michael. Harold Perrinau is listed in the credits. I really do not know why they did that. It has ruined what would have been a humdinger of a surprise.
Probably because even before they started shooting the season it was announced Perrineu would be back. . .but hell's bells, you'd think they'd come up with a more clever way of re-introducing him. (Then again, if they've somehow fooled us, I'll look like a real ass on Thursday!) Oh, and I don't dislike the redhead: I even said she was hot in an earlier post. I was just drawing a perhaps unfair comparison.
A nice episode but nothing big. I think I'm feeling a bit of a letdown these last couple episodes after the awesome one a couple weeks ago. We finally see Michael again, the worst kept "surprise" of the series. Unfortunate, because if we hadn't known he was going to be back it would have been a much bigger shock. We now know the Oceanic Six as well: Sun, Jin, Jack, Hurley, Sayid, and Kate. I guess Aaron doesn't count. Of course we get more questions such as why Jin isn't with Sun and why she thinks he's dead. Seems like all these survivors are going back to their old bad habits. Next week looks like a good one, should be the last episode for a bit before we get to the new ones. Who's going to die? My money is on Claire.
Anyway, a nice episode--and I mean that in the best possible way. The main storyline focused on Sun and Jin, and I like how there was an emphasis on how Jin is now a changed man--patient, forgiving, and willing to follow his wife into hell. The scene with Jin and Bernard in the fishing boat was classic. And the flash-forward, showing Sun in labor, was nicely done--fooling us into believing the couple made it off the island together, only to reveal the Jin story was actually a flashback to his "earlier" self.
And we also got to see the mysterious Captain, aka Basil Exposition, who revealed the crew members are suffering from their exposure to the island (the scene where the woman throws herself overboard was appropriately eerie) and that the "discovery" of the downed airplane was obviously an elaborate hoax. The return of Michael, of course, carried no surprises whatsoever.
But here we go again. . .we're promised that next week "SOMEONE. . .WILL. . .DIE!" Maybe it'll be a newbie. They have short life spans. Till then. . .
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Someone will die next week and it'll be Jin. Why you ask? Did anybody notice the year of death on his headstone? I did, it was 2004. Think about it. The plane crashed in Sept 2004. They've been on the island for 2 months. That brings us to Nov. 2004. So, figuring that in, if Jin doesn't die in next weeks episode, someone else does, possibly guranteeing us a Jin death in the future. Obviously we know that Jin and Sun make it off the island somehow, and Jin dies in the process. So far, Jin is the only member of the flight whose body has been recovered.
Also, the lady doctor says if Sun doesn't get off the island in three weeks, she and the baby will die. Sun made it off the island ok. I'm sticking to Jin dying in next weeks episode. Lastly, if that's true, it may be Suns last episode also.
Some people would complain even if you hang them with a new rope
Someone will die next week and it'll be Jin. Why you ask? Did anybody notice the year of death on his headstone? I did, it was 2004. Think about it. The plane crashed in Sept 2004. They've been on the island for 2 months. That brings us to Nov. 2004. So, figuring that in, if Jin doesn't die in next weeks episode, someone else does, possibly guranteeing us a Jin death in the future. Obviously we know that Jin and Sun make it off the island somehow, and Jin dies in the process. So far, Jin is the only member of the flight whose body has been recovered.
Also, the lady doctor says if Sun doesn't get off the island in three weeks, she and the baby will die. Sun made it off the island ok. I'm sticking to Jin dying in next weeks episode. Lastly, if that's true, it may be Suns last episode also.
I think I am a bit confused. At first I thought that Sun and Jin both got off the island and that both of them were having flash forwards, though for some reason Sun was thinking that Jin was dead. But I have come to my senses and now am pretty certain that Jin's off the island scenes were a flashback and he will die. But are we ever really told? I wouldn't put it past the writers to fool everyone into thinking that Jin was going to die and then have it turn out that he is actually alive and has faked his death. But that seems a bit preposterous, especially him being married again. So I am assuming Jin's scenes were a flashback and the two months of marriage he mentions are in his marriage to Sun.
The Jin/Sun off the island thing threw me. Had to watch the last few moments again. It is possible that Jin is still alive, as it seems the outside world is convinced that the Oceanic 6 are the only survivors. But I suspect Jin might be the next to die, because anybody in the cast who has been arrested for DUI, seems to have their character killed off soon after; Michelle Rodriguez- goodbye Ana Lucia, the big fella who played Mr Eko, and it's goodnight to him. Daniel Dae Kim, was lifted last year, so I'm guessing Jin will be next.
Someone will die next week and it'll be Jin. Why you ask? Did anybody notice the year of death on his headstone? I did, it was 2004. Think about it. The plane crashed in Sept 2004. They've been on the island for 2 months. That brings us to Nov. 2004. So, figuring that in, if Jin doesn't die in next weeks episode, someone else does, possibly guranteeing us a Jin death in the future. Obviously we know that Jin and Sun make it off the island somehow, and Jin dies in the process. So far, Jin is the only member of the flight whose body has been recovered.
Also, the lady doctor says if Sun doesn't get off the island in three weeks, she and the baby will die. Sun made it off the island ok. I'm sticking to Jin dying in next weeks episode. Lastly, if that's true, it may be Suns last episode also.
Don't be so sure about Jin dying, we really don't know if he will die or not. The date on his tombstone was the date of the plane crash so we don't know if he is really dead or is just thought to be dead as with all the others who are not part of the Oceanic 6. Maybe some of the Oceanic 6 (Sun) don't know that there are actually people still alive on the island.
Great episode! It's a shame we have to wait a month for the rest of the season, though. But I am VERY glad that this was not the episode that ended the season. It would have been very tough to not only have a shortened season but to end it like this, wondering who is shooting out in the jungle and what's going to happen to Michael. I'm really curious after this episode to find out why Sayid is working for Ben since he seems to despise Michael so much for working for him.
Well, this sucks. . .because of my cable company, or the local ABC affiliate, or the machinations of the malevolent gods, throughout the first half hour of Lost the sound was drowned out by an overlapping telecast from the NCAA basketball tournament! I had no idea what was going on with Ben and Alex or why Michael was so depressed. Half my time was spent trying to follow the action, the other half trying to figure out where the closed captioning feature was on my universal remote. Looks like I'll have to catch what I missed online.
Once the sound cleared up, though, I liked what I saw: the full story of how Ben and Tom guilt-trip Michael into doing their dirty work; the cameos by a ghostly Libby; and especially the revelation that tough ol' Tom is, well, a friend of Dorothy! As for who dies. . .it was fairly big, but nowhere near Charlie territory.
Sigh--one full month before we get new episodes, though. Let's hope the rest of the season lives up to its pre-strike level.
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Never saw that death coming. And, not only one person was killed, two people were killed. And we'll have to wait a month to see if Bens' (adoptive) daughter bites the big one to. And who is shooting in the jungle? Sorry to see Rousseau go, I was begining to like her. 16 years on the island and she was killed so quicky. Shame.
*Edit. A thought just crossed my mind. In the flashback Ben tells Michael he doesn't kill innocent people. If that's true, why does he send Rousseau, Alex and Karl to the Temple? He must of known that the Journey would be dangerous. Did you notice how he glared at Karl when he had his hand on Alex? Maybe he sent Karl out to die, and Rousseau got in the way. Thoughts.....
Some people would complain even if you hang them with a new rope
*Edit. A thought just crossed my mind. In the flashback Ben tells Michael he doesn't kill innocent people. If that's true, why does he send Rousseau, Alex and Karl to the Temple? He must of known that the Journey would be dangerous. Did you notice how he glared at Karl when he had his hand on Alex? Maybe he sent Karl out to die, and Rousseau got in the way. Thoughts.....
Ben tells Michael that he is responsible for Ana-Lucia and Libby's deaths, but Ben must have known how far Michael would go to get his son back. I think when Ben wants somebody out of the way, he uses other people to do his dirty work. He must have known that if Alex was leaving, then Rosseau and Karl would go with her.
Good episode. It's a shame we have to wait another month, but at least we're getting the rest of the season. Some shows, Heroes, 24 aren't returning till either the autumn, or next year.
At long last the wait is over! And we start off this last run of episodes with a great one. It sure looks like the writer's strike hasn't hurt the quality of episodes this season. Already looking forward to next week!
Out of curiosity, is it possible for you to watch the episodes that are posted to the ABC Network's website the day after each one runs? Of course, I know some sites have tools that prevent people in other countries from viewing them, so I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is no. Still, you might have a look at www.abc.com .
Anyway, say this for Lost: it's a show with very little sentiment. If you ever think, "No way in a million years will they do that," rest assured they will. So goodbye to another recurring character!
Despite saying the show isn't sentimental, this is the first episode that made me actually feel something for Ben. Though he's as sneaky as ever--and in the flash-forward shows that he has some downright Bondian moves--he also displayed a real human weakness and even a sense of loyalty to Locke's group. Otherwise, a nice return to the usual Lostiness: some exciting, run-and-gun action; a bit of the soap opera (looks like Jack is having appendix troubles); some supernatural hooey; and an answer to one crucial question (how Sayid became an assassin). Here's to more new episodes coming soon!
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That's funny HB. When I saw Ben do those gun maneuvers in the Sahara my first thing I thought was Bond. Then with the passport in Tikrit and the way he dressed and talked to the doorman at Whitmores penthouse. In all a decent episode. A small cliffhanger in thee episode as they tried to make us think Claire had been killed. Then Locke and Sawyer had their guns drawn at each other to fight over Hugo (sorry, Hugos nickname escapes me now). Just to much to summarize in this great episode. Can't wait until next week, even though the mention of Jack dying is pointless since we already know ........nevermind.
Some people would complain even if you hang them with a new rope
A subtle yet tense and creepy episode aired this evening. A couple of mind-blowers were Miles digging up the hastily-made graves of Danielle and Carl, and the flash-forward of Hurley telling Jack that they're all dead and that Jack can expect a "visitor" of his own. And it looks like events on the island are moving in such a way that they set up those flashes-forward: perhaps we now know how Aaron wound up with Kate and Jack (but not how Jack knows he's related to Aaron) and how Sun escaped the island (but not how Jin ended up six feet under). Ooh, next Thursday can't come soon enough!
Not as hectic and action packed as last week but definitely still enjoyable. There was indeed some good tension in this episode that was in the background the whole time. The scene with Hurley was especially creepy, definitely does not seem at all like the happy-go-lucky island version of Hurley. I'm also curious about the message that Jack got about not raising Aaron. I seem to remember something about this from a past episode but can't pinpoint it. But if he is not supposed to then who is? Claire obviously isn't around and Charlie is dead. Maybe Aaron is supposed to be raised on the island?
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Only thing I want answered is how is Jacks Dad still around. In the Flash-Forward it could of been stress releated, but how did Claire see him on the island holding her baby?
Some people would complain even if you hang them with a new rope
Ok I've skipped a couple of posts as we're a week behind you guys. So I've just seen the Ben episode . Brilliant stuff. Huge episode for Ben, in that he finally become a sympathetic character. And Ben facing off against Whitmore was fascinating. Why can't Ben kill him? I've got a lunatic theory that the island is the Garden of Eden, and Ben and Whitmore are fallen angels. But given we've seen flashbacks to Ben's childhood I know that's nonsense. )
And now Lost seems to have gone back into full-tilt weirdness. . .Locke has encounters with two dead men, and his meeting up with Claire in the cabin raises the disturbing possibility that Claire herself is. . .well, you know. . .
Actually, what I found most interesting about tonight's ep was the scene from Locke's childhood, when the apparently ageless Richard tests him to see if there's a place for him in his "special" school. The test Richard uses--asking the boy Locke to identify the things that "belong" to him--is exactly what Tibetan Buddhists use to identify the new Dalai Lama. The belief is that there is only one Dalai Lama: he simply reincarnates. So: who was Locke believed to be?
Otherwise, it was great to get some follow-up action on the boat--to know what became of Michael, to see Frank act kind of heroically, and to see the doctor get killed after his body washes up on shore. (Told you this was full-tilt weirdness.) And if Martin Keevey isn't emerging as the most terrifying villain in the series' history, I don't know who is!
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Just finished watching last weeks episode. A good episode, but hard to type down and explain. I'll wait for next weeks episode.
P.S. HB, I wish I could take credit for that theroy, but it was lifted from another message board i post at. The person who posted it said her fiance lifted it from another site, but couldn't remember where.
Ah, well, they can't all be gems. . .
Oh, I like the redhead a lot. She's stunning. But that was a fairly lame episode. And I almost laughed when Ben told Locke he'd have to sit down before he found out who the man on the boat is. Its Michael. Harold Perrinau is listed in the credits. I really do not know why they did that. It has ruined what would have been a humdinger of a surprise.
Probably because even before they started shooting the season it was announced Perrineu would be back. . .but hell's bells, you'd think they'd come up with a more clever way of re-introducing him. (Then again, if they've somehow fooled us, I'll look like a real ass on Thursday!) Oh, and I don't dislike the redhead: I even said she was hot in an earlier post. I was just drawing a perhaps unfair comparison.
It would make sense for them to wrong-foot us like that. It's probably Walt.
Anyway, a nice episode--and I mean that in the best possible way. The main storyline focused on Sun and Jin, and I like how there was an emphasis on how Jin is now a changed man--patient, forgiving, and willing to follow his wife into hell. The scene with Jin and Bernard in the fishing boat was classic. And the flash-forward, showing Sun in labor, was nicely done--fooling us into believing the couple made it off the island together, only to reveal the Jin story was actually a flashback to his "earlier" self.
And we also got to see the mysterious Captain, aka Basil Exposition, who revealed the crew members are suffering from their exposure to the island (the scene where the woman throws herself overboard was appropriately eerie) and that the "discovery" of the downed airplane was obviously an elaborate hoax. The return of Michael, of course, carried no surprises whatsoever.
But here we go again. . .we're promised that next week "SOMEONE. . .WILL. . .DIE!" Maybe it'll be a newbie. They have short life spans. Till then. . .
Also, the lady doctor says if Sun doesn't get off the island in three weeks, she and the baby will die. Sun made it off the island ok. I'm sticking to Jin dying in next weeks episode. Lastly, if that's true, it may be Suns last episode also.
I think I am a bit confused. At first I thought that Sun and Jin both got off the island and that both of them were having flash forwards, though for some reason Sun was thinking that Jin was dead. But I have come to my senses and now am pretty certain that Jin's off the island scenes were a flashback and he will die. But are we ever really told? I wouldn't put it past the writers to fool everyone into thinking that Jin was going to die and then have it turn out that he is actually alive and has faked his death. But that seems a bit preposterous, especially him being married again. So I am assuming Jin's scenes were a flashback and the two months of marriage he mentions are in his marriage to Sun.
Don't be so sure about Jin dying, we really don't know if he will die or not. The date on his tombstone was the date of the plane crash so we don't know if he is really dead or is just thought to be dead as with all the others who are not part of the Oceanic 6. Maybe some of the Oceanic 6 (Sun) don't know that there are actually people still alive on the island.
Once the sound cleared up, though, I liked what I saw: the full story of how Ben and Tom guilt-trip Michael into doing their dirty work; the cameos by a ghostly Libby; and especially the revelation that tough ol' Tom is, well, a friend of Dorothy! As for who dies. . .it was fairly big, but nowhere near Charlie territory.
Sigh--one full month before we get new episodes, though. Let's hope the rest of the season lives up to its pre-strike level.
*Edit. A thought just crossed my mind. In the flashback Ben tells Michael he doesn't kill innocent people. If that's true, why does he send Rousseau, Alex and Karl to the Temple? He must of known that the Journey would be dangerous. Did you notice how he glared at Karl when he had his hand on Alex? Maybe he sent Karl out to die, and Rousseau got in the way. Thoughts.....
Ben tells Michael that he is responsible for Ana-Lucia and Libby's deaths, but Ben must have known how far Michael would go to get his son back. I think when Ben wants somebody out of the way, he uses other people to do his dirty work. He must have known that if Alex was leaving, then Rosseau and Karl would go with her.
Good episode. It's a shame we have to wait another month, but at least we're getting the rest of the season. Some shows, Heroes, 24 aren't returning till either the autumn, or next year.
Cool. We should get it soon.
Out of curiosity, is it possible for you to watch the episodes that are posted to the ABC Network's website the day after each one runs? Of course, I know some sites have tools that prevent people in other countries from viewing them, so I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is no. Still, you might have a look at www.abc.com .
Anyway, say this for Lost: it's a show with very little sentiment. If you ever think, "No way in a million years will they do that," rest assured they will. So goodbye to another recurring character!
Despite saying the show isn't sentimental, this is the first episode that made me actually feel something for Ben. Though he's as sneaky as ever--and in the flash-forward shows that he has some downright Bondian moves--he also displayed a real human weakness and even a sense of loyalty to Locke's group. Otherwise, a nice return to the usual Lostiness: some exciting, run-and-gun action; a bit of the soap opera (looks like Jack is having appendix troubles); some supernatural hooey; and an answer to one crucial question (how Sayid became an assassin). Here's to more new episodes coming soon!
Actually, what I found most interesting about tonight's ep was the scene from Locke's childhood, when the apparently ageless Richard tests him to see if there's a place for him in his "special" school. The test Richard uses--asking the boy Locke to identify the things that "belong" to him--is exactly what Tibetan Buddhists use to identify the new Dalai Lama. The belief is that there is only one Dalai Lama: he simply reincarnates. So: who was Locke believed to be?
Otherwise, it was great to get some follow-up action on the boat--to know what became of Michael, to see Frank act kind of heroically, and to see the doctor get killed after his body washes up on shore. (Told you this was full-tilt weirdness.) And if Martin Keevey isn't emerging as the most terrifying villain in the series' history, I don't know who is!