Official Teaser Trailer

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  • StrangewaysStrangeways London, UKPosts: 1,469MI6 Agent
    edited July 2008
    I actually loved the Dame (Judi Dench) in the Brosnan era. Thought she was a breath of fresh air, and that the two actors worked well together.

    If I have one (only one BTW) complaint about DC's Bond, it is that EON should have replaced the Dame, perhaps with a man.

    As for the psycho-analysing 007 in the trailer, we have had that THREE times now. Remember DAD's trailer anyone?

    Anyhoo, that's my only grumble about an actor that I love as Bond, in all respects, loved CR and think QOS will be at least as good. Oh, and have I mentioned I can't stop watching the trailer!
  • PredatorPredator Posts: 790Chief of Staff
    Looking good. Looking very good ...

    :007)
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    edited July 2008
    I don't agree on the psychoanalysis critics here:

    M is 007s boss, he has gained his LTK pretty recently and she has to make herself sure, that he's not getting out of control.

    Analyzing his motives (especially after loosing his love which turned out to be a double agent and after resigning spontanuously and now being back to Service) sounds very reasonable to me.

    I mean, every boss of the Mi6 would ask the same questions and if you hire for any job today, you'd have to present your motivation for the job and company, too.

    About the Borne critics, I agree with the people mentioning, who's been first. Additionally, I must say, that I almost fell asleep watching the recent one (I don't even recall, if it has been "reloaded", "Ultimatum", "Idendity" or what) and never felt the need to watch it again.

    Very different with CR
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  • scaramanga1scaramanga1 The English RivieraPosts: 845Chief of Staff
    For those that are not seeing Bondian elements in the trailer -what's wrong with you? There is Style -kick ass action -car chases, boat chases a great Motorcycle stunt which in movie terms is a fantastic homage to Steve McQueen who Craig is often compared to. Plus the women are hot hot hot. Also Even though 007 gets to do glamorus things -he also gets to do the right down and dirty things. He is a Secret Agent after all who has to submerge himself into whichever habitat his mission dictates. This film will be a fine rollercoaster with some dramatic elements that brings Bond firmly into this century. I myself can't get enough of the trailer and I see a very Flemingesque Bond mixed with the exciting spectacle of the cinematic Bond -so really there are elements for everyone there. Like many have said -Roll on Novemeber -its going to be awesome!
  • Son Of BarbelSon Of Barbel Posts: 227MI6 Agent
    Monique wrote:
    Tee Hee wrote:
    You're not alone on your planet Barry! {[]

    Make room for me guys. Although I found it exciting and am definitely happy to finally see it, I agree with Barry that it is lacking in atmosphere. It doesn't seem to have that glam, exotic feel of CR yet, and frankly I don't get what seems so Bondian about the trailer? Maybe I'm missing the elements you guys mean by that. I actually thought CR's trailer was much more Bondian even with the reboot.

    I agree about Mr. White being great in those scenes, but am I the only one in the whole Bond community who likes Judi Dench as M??? That's a lonely planet too! :)

    I hope theres room on both those planets for one more!
  • LexiLexi LondonPosts: 3,000MI6 Agent
    Monique wrote:
    but am I the only one in the whole Bond community who likes Judi Dench as M??? That's a lonely planet too! :)

    I'm on that planet as well! I love Dench as M and I love the relationship she has with Craig. As I discussed with Dan Same earlier in this thread, I really like the Psychoanalysis of M with Bond, but alas, there are only a few of us :#
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  • bluemanblueman PDXPosts: 1,667MI6 Agent
    Big Dench as M fan. Liked her in GE, more in TND, not at all in TWINE (not her fault, but the script), even thought she had some nice bits in DAD.

    Her turn in CR was good, looking forward to more of the same in QOS. Wow, six films as M, likely one more after this too, quite the legacy IMO and equal to Lee's run IMHO.
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,998MI6 Agent
    I must be from another planet because I don't understand what all the fuss is about. Granted this is only a teaser trailer so the picture could be completly different, but I didn't get a good Bond vibe at all.

    What I didn't like, it appears Bond is going rogue again, seen that before. M is lecturing Bond again, seen that before, Bond is jumping a motorcycle, anyone remember TND, Bond is being chased while in his Aston spins it to shoot at the vehicle chasing him, seen that in all sorts of movies, boat chase, seen that before.

    Well, if we're criticising it because Bond gets involved in action scenes using moving vehicles then I'm not sure how you enjoyed any Bond movies! :) And besides, there's the rope thing, the dogfight in the big DC3- that's all fairly fresh. Nothing as iconic as the CR trailer, and I do agree that this trail hasn't set me alight, but it's not that bad. It's not bad at all, in fact. With you on the M thing, though.

    Not convinced Bond is spinning the car to shoot at that lorry, either: looks like his car has been rear-ended and spun by the baddies, to me. If he was trying to spin it, he'd be steering into the spin, not out of it.
    Monique wrote:
    I actually thought CR's trailer was much more Bondian even with the reboot.

    So was everyone really behind CR at the time, then? Funny that, sure I remember it being otherwise.. ;)
    Monique wrote:
    I agree about Mr. White being great in those scenes, but am I the only one in the whole Bond community who likes Judi Dench as M??? That's a lonely planet too! :)

    I'm with you there: I do like Judi as M, but it's more Judi-as-M-in-the-trailers that I'm getting bored with. Seems like she pops up to have a go at Bond in every trailer for the last thirteen years, and as someone pointed out, this is the third film n a row in which she's carped on at Bond in the trailer and psychoanalysed him. She's really good, her M is a top character; surely they can find something beyond having a go at him for her to do? And surely the guys cutting the trailer could be a bit more original that just plop her moaning at the start of every trailer?
  • bluemanblueman PDXPosts: 1,667MI6 Agent
    Isn't Dench like a big star? Makes sense then to feature her in the trailer for a film she's in, even if in the end her role in it is rather small.

    It's a decent enough link to CR, I expect the main trailer will be more QOS-centric - for instance who's the villain from this trailer? The teaser rightly sold Bond from CR, IMHO. Okay strategy for EON to take considering the bazillion people who saw CR. :D
  • HigginsHiggins GermanyPosts: 16,619MI6 Agent
    emtiem wrote:



    Not convinced Bond is spinning the car to shoot at that lorry, either: looks like his car has been rear-ended and spun by the baddies, to me. If he was trying to spin it, he'd be steering into the spin, not out of it.

    Good point. And if you freeze-frame the trailer, you'll see a huge torch aside of the DBS, I assume, that it comes from the truck.

    It looks to me, that the DBS is being hit from it and that this causes the spin.

    Don't want to post a shot because of CC laws.
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  • sharpshootersharpshooter Posts: 164MI6 Agent
    I thought it was quite clear that was happening. These DBS's are going through the wars indeed.
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited July 2008
    emtiem wrote:
    Dan Same wrote:
    However, the biggest weakness IMO is M. Why, oh why, can't we have a Bond film in which Dench's M doesn't psychoanalyse Bond? :s
    Yeah, don't disagree. We've rather been there and done that; not least in the CR trailers.
    It's not just the trailers though. She also did it in GE (the horrible 'misoginystic dinosaur' speech :s) which means that she will have done it in 3 of 6 films which doesn't please me at all. :#
    And I'd have to think that Dench's M has nearly run her course, surely...time for the assassin's bullet :v
    :)) That would be wonderful. :D The thing is, while I love Judy Dench as an actress (she is IMO one of the greatest of all time), her M really annoys me. Putting aside that she shouldn't even be in the Craig films, I don't like the way she's been used in the Bond films. When she's not psychoanalysing Bond, she's getting kidnapped. 8-) I definitely agree that she should be killed by an assassin; perhaps in the PTS to Bond 23? :v
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,998MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    emtiem wrote:
    Dan Same wrote:
    However, the biggest weakness IMO is M. Why, oh why, can't we have a Bond film in which Dench's M doesn't psychoanalyse Bond? :s
    Yeah, don't disagree. We've rather been there and done that; not least in the CR trailers.
    It's not just the trailers though. She also did it in GE (the horrible 'misoginystic dinosaur' speech :s) which means that she will have done it in 3 of 6 films which doesn't please me at all. :#

    Well the DAD trailer was full of it as well, wasn't it?
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    emtiem wrote:
    Well the DAD trailer was full of it as well, wasn't it?
    I don't remember, but was probably was. :# I do remember that there were a couple of scenes in which M came across to me as really annoying.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited July 2008
    blueman wrote:
    It's in how the elements are put forth IMO: poorly deserves all the yucks it gets; well deserves all the praise.
    I completely agree. People are talking about it how it is too similar to Bourne; this doesn't concern me unless it feels derivitive. It's like with TSWLM and TND. TSWLM was not particularly original yet IMO it felt completely fresh, which is one of the reasons why I consider it to be the greatest non-Connery Bond film ever made and the last absolute masterpiece. TND, on the other hand, felt really derivitive and so was my least favourite 90's Brosnan film. QOS may or may not be original, however as long as it feels original (which of course is entirely subjective), then I'm happy. :D
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • highhopeshighhopes Posts: 1,358MI6 Agent
    Dan Same wrote:
    emtiem wrote:
    Well the DAD trailer was full of it as well, wasn't it?
    I don't remember, but was probably was. :# I do remember that there were a couple of scenes in which M came across to me as really annoying.

    Big friggin' deal. M has been bitching at Bond since the series began. In Dr. No, it was over the Beretta; in Goldfinger, M told him that the murder of Jill Masterson wasn't a personal vendetta and 008 could always replace him. Plus he wasn't supposed to sleep with Goldfinger's girlfriend, yada, yada, yada. M's Bond's boss. The boss is a stock character in the series who only real purpose is to assign the mission and bitch. I don't find the "psychoanalysis" as you guys call it particularly annoying -- especially since this is only Bond's second mission in the new era and she was concerned whether he had the goods to be a double-0 in CR. Why would M's opinion suddenly change?
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited July 2008
    highhopes wrote:
    Why would M's opinion suddenly change?
    Well, because the way the Ms do it is different. Lee's M never sought to explain Bond's character in the way that Dench's M has. He never described Bond as a 'mysoginystic dinosaur' or said things like 'this may be too much for a blunt instrument to understand, but arrogance and self-awareness seldom go hand in hand.' I get the sense that, with Dench's M, the producers feel they need to justify Bond (like with the 'mysoginystic dinosaur' scene in GE), or to study him as if he is a psychology patient. :s I don't like it at all. :#

    Plus, IMO, the scene in M's apartment in CR (and the 'mysoginystic dinosaur' scene in GE) was terribly written. It was one of my least favourite scenes in the film.
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • Dan SameDan Same Victoria, AustraliaPosts: 6,054MI6 Agent
    edited July 2008
    Exotic sexually charged women, Solange was wonderful in CR, I didn't see anything like that in the teaser.
    I too loved Solange. Although I quite like the women in QOS, I don't think any of them could be described as 'exotic sexually charged women.' :))
    This idea that Bond is an agent that can't be controlled bothers me. It is not true to Fleming's Bond and it goes against the previous cinematic Bond. He may not have always liked his orders, but he always followed them. Yes, I know he didn't in LTK. He grumbled and made fun of his superiors, but given an order he followed it.
    True. Personally, I don't mind the idea of Bond becoming a rogue agent, however I would prefer it if Bond found a way to merge his vendetta with official business. Of course, it will come down to the execution. Take LTK; I think it had a superb concept, but that it was tremendously let down by the execution. So, although in principal I'm not at all opposed to (and quite like) the idea of Bond as a rogue agent, if it isn't executed well, then it can be a disaster. Oh, and if Bond can merge his bid for revenge with official business, I think that'll be even better. :D
    Monique wrote:
    Although I found it exciting and am definitely happy to finally see it, I agree with Barry that it is lacking in atmosphere.
    Interesting that you think that. I don't mind the look of this trailer, although I could do without the black + white. I have nothing against black + white, however, I don't think it is particularly appropiate for a Bond film, and if overused can become a cliche.
    Tee Hee wrote:
    Looks exciting, however I just don't fancy Mr. Craig.
    Yeh, I don't feel as though I will become a fan of Craig after viewing this trailer. :#
    "He’s a man way out there in the blue, riding on a smile and a shoeshine. And when they start not smiling back—that’s an earthquake. and then you get yourself a couple of spots on your hat, and you’re finished. Nobody dast blame this man. A salesman is got to dream, boy. It comes with the territory." Death of a Salesman
  • 00640064 Somewhere out west...Posts: 1,083MI6 Agent
    I dont know about the rest of you, but for the first 40 or so seconds of the film, I began to get this feeling that M isnt all she seems to be. When Mr. White said "we have people everywhere" it cut from a shot of M. In addition, the following shot of bond in an elevator brings back memories of M's elevator, and so I thought that perhaps M might be working for them, and that when she sends men after Bond, she is trying to take him out. Farfetched perhaps, but interesting nonetheless, I wouldnt mind them having a reason to replace her either.
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    Interestingly, I'm not sure we actually have to see the film at this point---all we have to do is expand on our reviews of the teaser trailer, and...tada! No man's land is firmly mapped out, and each camp remains in place. Nothing---except for the director/title of the film, and the actors outside the inner circle of CR veterans---has changed.

    However, the lamentations of the disenfranchised---leading, as they did last time, to IMRO one of the greatest films in the franchise---continue to sound like sweet music to a Flemingist's ears...especially if it means that Eon is poised to go two for two :007)

    Dan, your point about Bond mixing his revenge with the mission is a good one---and I think that's exactly what happens here. Perhaps in a bit of denial (a bit of psychoanalysis there :D ), Bond probably sees himself as doing the right thing in addition to getting payback for Vesper---hence his remark about doing his duty.

    By means of clarification, I love Dame Judi...and I like her M...but I really think the whole notion of trotting the head of MI6 around the globe to bitch out 007 in person has really edged past its 'sell by' date :# It's a frustrating aspect of the formula that Eon seem incapable of cutting loose.

    Which is why I reiterate my call for the assassination of M---as early in #23 as possible :v
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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,998MI6 Agent
    edited July 2008
    Interestingly, I'm not sure we actually have to see the film at this point---all we have to do is expand on our reviews of the teaser trailer, and...tada! No man's land is firmly mapped out, and each camp remains in place. Nothing---except for the director/title of the film, and the actors outside the inner circle of CR veterans---has changed.


    I really think the whole notion of trotting the head of MI6 around the globe to bitch out 007 in person has really edged past its 'sell by' date :# It's a frustrating aspect of the formula that Eon seem incapable of cutting loose.


    So you've expanded on your review of the trailer to decide where your camp is with regards to the overall film too, then? :) And it's on M's grave, by the sounds of it!
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    edited July 2008
    emtiem wrote:
    So you've expanded on your review of the trailer to decide where your camp is with regards to the overall film too, then? :)

    Not just me! As I've said...same war---different battle ;) Those who enjoyed Craig and CR remain mostly happy. Those who didn't...still don't. And I'll be truly shocked if that changes after QoS is actually released and viewed!
    emtiem wrote:
    And it's on M's grave, by the sounds of it!

    I honestly think that's the best move Eon could make going forward. Talk about a shake-up...
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  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,923Chief of Staff
    highhopes wrote:
    Dan Same wrote:
    emtiem wrote:
    Well the DAD trailer was full of it as well, wasn't it?
    I don't remember, but was probably was. :# I do remember that there were a couple of scenes in which M came across to me as really annoying.

    Big friggin' deal. M has been bitching at Bond since the series began. In Dr. No, it was over the Beretta; in Goldfinger, M told him that the murder of Jill Masterson wasn't a personal vendetta and 008 could always replace him. Plus he wasn't supposed to sleep with Goldfinger's girlfriend, yada, yada, yada. M's Bond's boss. The boss is a stock character in the series who only real purpose is to assign the mission and bitch. I don't find the "psychoanalysis" as you guys call it particularly annoying -- especially since this is only Bond's second mission in the new era and she was concerned whether he had the goods to be a double-0 in CR. Why would M's opinion suddenly change?

    Some good points and a lotta sense there, highhopes - are you on the right site ? :)) -{
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  • emtiememtiem SurreyPosts: 5,998MI6 Agent
    edited July 2008
    emtiem wrote:
    So you've expanded on your review of the trailer to decide where your camp is with regards to the overall film too, then? :)

    Not just me! As I've said...same war---different battle ;) Those who enjoyed Craig and CR remain mostly happy. Those who didn't...still don't.

    To an extent; I have no big worries about the film, but as a trailer this excites me a lot less than the CR ones. I'm not coming from exactly the same place as I was last time. Certainly had no complaints about M before, but seeing her used in exactly the same way in this trailer as before does make my appreciation for her cool somewhat. But then I suppose all those people who miss the films having a formula can feel relived: Moneypenny banter scenes are gone but in their place there will forevermore be scenes where M dissects the minutiae of Bond's personality. Swings and roundabouts, I suppose.
    Plus a few of the people who are disliking this trailer appear to be comaparing it to the CR ones and saying it's not as good as those, when I could have sworn they all hated CR at the time too... must be my memory playing tricks on me, eh? ;)
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    edited July 2008
    emtiem wrote:
    ...I suppose all those people who miss the films having a formula can feel relived: Moneypenny banter scenes are gone but in their place there will forevermore be scenes where M dissects the minutiae of Bond's personality. Swings and roundabouts, I suppose.

    True enough. Hopefully this is a 'work in progress.' Dame Judi won't be M forever; it would be great if her exit from the series was suitably...dramatic :v Perhaps a classic, Shakespearean 'last gasp' soliloquy about Bond's inner motivations :D
    emtiem wrote:
    Plus a few of the people who are disliking this trailer appear to be comparing it to the CR ones and saying it's not as good as those, when I could have sworn they all hated CR at the time too... must be my memory playing tricks on me, eh? ;)

    CR as the 'good old days'...I like it! {[]
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  • bluemanblueman PDXPosts: 1,667MI6 Agent
    To be fair to Monique, I remember her always being very upfront about liking Craig in CR a lot. If I recall correctly from them bad ol' days, she was always more of a huge Brosnan fan, as opposed to being an out-and-out Craig hater, and was more bummed that Brosnan was gone than about whomever the new guy was in the role. FWIW.
  • Tee HeeTee Hee CBT Headquarters: Chicago, ILPosts: 917MI6 Agent
    the lamentations of the disenfranchised---leading, as they did last time, to IMRO one of the greatest films in the franchise---continue to sound like sweet music to a Flemingist's ears...

    Perhaps I should keep my misgivings to myself from now on. The last thing I want to do is embolden the enemy. :#

    Laugh it up while you can my friends, for our [the CBTs of AJB] time will come. And as God as my witness, you'll never hear the end of it! That I promise you. :v
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  • bluemanblueman PDXPosts: 1,667MI6 Agent
    Rock on with your bad self, Tee. :D
  • xman25xman25 Houston, TexasPosts: 80MI6 Agent
    Every time I watch the trailer I keep thinking that MI6 will send another 00 agent after Bond to bring him in. I hope we see another 00 agent. It's been a while since we seen one.

    xman25
  • LoeffelholzLoeffelholz The United States, With LovePosts: 8,998Quartermasters
    blueman wrote:
    To be fair to Monique, I remember her always being very upfront about liking Craig in CR a lot.

    I wouldn't want to speak for her, but I'm pretty sure she's not all that wild about Craigger...

    All in all, I guess I understand why some would give the CR teaser the nod over this one---at least in the sense that, with a new Bond, the reboot, etc., perhaps the anticipation was a bit heightened compared to this one.

    But that isn't the case with me. I might be more excited about this one! :007)
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