If you buy a fake Rolex or Omega you may fool some of the people some of the time but you'll ALWAYS know.
I guess it all boils down to what you want to do with your eternal soul. I say stay on the side of the angels.
Firstly, Feeling like you are cheating yourself is your own problem. Don't buy a replica.
Secondly, You can keep you Bible thumping to yourself. That whole eternal soul thing is bull****! I don't feel a whit sorry for Rolex or Omega. To compare buying replicas to sin is not only ridiculous, it's retarded. If you really gave a damn about being on the side of angels you wouldn't idolize a murdering, adulterous, lying, thief like James Bond.
As for illegality, that is a civil matter in the United States unless you are trying to pass the replica off as the genuine article. There is nothing illegal about owning a replica in the US. You give an article about Italy, it may be illegal there but in the US they sell car kits and completed kit cars all the time. It is not illegal. You can buy Ferraris, Shelby Cobras, what ever you want.
Yeah, Clarky, we're all snobs for looking down on illegal replicas. We're such jerks. Sorry for not approving of illegal counterfeits.
Exact or near exact replicas, without proper licensing, are illegal and WRONG.
It is no more wrong or illegal than any other replica of clothing, shoes, watches, weapons, gadgets, or any other memorabilia we talk about.
You are snobs and hypocrites if you are willing to only shell out $400 for a replica Armani instead of $4000 and turn around and complain about someone spending $200 for replica Omega instead of $3000. There is no difference.
It is unbelievable how you people will fall all over yourselves about replica watches and not say anything about the other replica items. Do you think that John Lobb is any more deserving of being replicated than Omega? "Wow, those replica John Lobbs were fantastic, but can you believe he wore a fake Rolex?" Give me a break.
Allegory is a form of extended metaphor, in which objects, persons, and actions in a narrative, are equated with the meanings that lie outside the narrative itself. The underlying meaning has moral, social, religious, or political significance, and characters are often personifications of abstract ideas as charity, greed, or envy.
Thus an allegory is a story with two meanings, a literal meaning and a symbolic meaning.
Loosely translated, I think you need to take a chill pill and go bowling with JonTremaine.
I don't buy replica anything, if I want a Brioni then I get a Brioni...hey to each his own, I guess I am a "snob" because I only by the genuine item
That is fair enough. It doesn't make you a snob to buy Brioni if want Brioni. It makes a person a snob if they look down on those that can't afford the genuine article and buy a replica.
As I have said, I have been fortunate in my life to be able to afford what I want, but some people can't and shouldn't be considered less of because they can't.
That is fair enough. It doesn't make you a snob to buy Brioni if want Brioni.
Why is it that the people with all the rants on this board are gramatically challenged? How can you butcher the English language that much? It's your mother tongue! I guess that makes me a "grammar snob" but I think you'd be taken more seriously if you took the time to develop a cogent thought before putting it to paper.
Let me guess, you're more of a William Faulkner, "stream of consciousness" guy.
That is fair enough. It doesn't make you a snob to buy Brioni if want Brioni.
Why is it that the people with all the rants on this board are gramatically challenged? How can you butcher the English language that much? It's your mother tongue! I guess that makes me a "grammar snob" but I think you'd be taken more seriously if you took the time to develop a cogent thought before putting it to paper.
Let me guess, you're more of a William Faulkner, "stream of consciousness" guy.
Was that really necessary? It's not like you can't understand his posts. I've seen much worse here and on other boards.
Back to the topic, I love my ten year old Seiko. Sportin' it literary Bourne style. I have no interest in an Omega or Rolex but if I wanted one for display only I'd probably go with a copy. If I was gonna wear one I'd go with the real thing. Who cares if someone wants to wear a fake?
My wife manages a jewelry store and you'd be surprised who feels fine wearing fakes. Quite a few people with plenty of scratch to buy the real thing wear fakes. Know why? People don't question them. It's all perception.
I think for some things it comes down to availability of items as well as the aspect of personal finances. Remember, Magnoli offers the Bahamas arrival shirt, which many of us have purchased. Why? Because we never could determine who was the manufacturer of the shirt. I'm sure many of us would have purchased the "real deal" if we ever found the source. Same goes for the replica PPKs, P99s, silencers, cufflinks, rebreather, et al. This site, and rightly so, represents collectors (novice to fanatic), admirers, the curious, and the occasional disgruntled person. While, I do agree that purchasing the replicas does in fact support, to some degree, organized crime or the terrorist group de jour, I also feel the choice between purchasing an authentic item vice a replica is definitely a personal one. That said, with choice comes consequence. If you wear your replica Rolex to a Bond gathering and happen to meet some of the more serious collectors here, expect a certain amount or jibs/criticisms/ smart assed remarks/ or maybe even encounter the elitist snob. You have to ask yourself “do you really care what others think about your choice?” Some individuals here have posted some very good replicas that they have crafted. Judging by the photos some of the items look good enough to actually be in a film. Mantis once told me in an email that 30% of his collection was authentic and the remaining 70% were replicas. Mantis, I apologize if I got the numbers wrong. My point is, we’ve all looked at his collection and let’s face…we envy it. So, if your preference is to buy a replica, at least buy a quality one. Wear it with pride, show it off in your collection, but….and this is important…..do not try to pass it off as the real item. That just, well...low class. Sorry for the long diatribe. Cheers.
Bond: "Who would spend $1 million to kill me?"
M: "Jealous husbands. Outraged chefs. Humiliated tailors. The list is endless!"
That is fair enough. It doesn't make you a snob to buy Brioni if want Brioni.
Why is it that the people with all the rants on this board are gramatically challenged? How can you butcher the English language that much? It's your mother tongue! I guess that makes me a "grammar snob" but I think you'd be taken more seriously if you took the time to develop a cogent thought before putting it to paper.
Let me guess, you're more of a William Faulkner, "stream of consciousness" guy.
I see. You've gone from the topic, to attacking me over a typo. I forgot a single word. In both responses to me you wanted to show everyone one the board that you are a master of the English language and literature and to try and demonstrate just how much more superior than me at English you are. All because, oops I left out a word. You have so cunningly devalued my points and intelligence by pointing out a missing word in a sentence. That missing word was 'you'. Well, ____ you! See if you can guess which word I left out that time.
Your little grammar Nazi bit doesn't change my point or devalue it. All it says is you can't respond to it in an intelligent fashion. I ignored your direct response because it was a childish attempt to misdirect the argument. "You can't understand a metaphor." Right. Because of that you try the even more ridiculous. Grow up, man.
Most of the members on the board are aware of my point of view regarding copy watches and fakes in general, that's why I have stayed calm so far.
I see, that the discussion gets heated and very personal now and I suggest, that everyone checks his own words for contents of insult and other offensive stuff. I am sure, that there is a lot to be found.
So, let me suggest to bring the discussion to a level, which we all can be proud of.
President of the 'Misty Eyes Club'.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I'm with Clarky. High quality replicas are out there. If someone wants one, more power to them. As for sin? Shatterhand, you crack me up...all the sh*t going on in this world and you're worried about replica watches.......LMFAO
Ok, this is my oppinion on replicas, watches and otherwise.
I think that replicas of clothing that do not use the brand name are perfectly acceptable. This is because although they mimic the cut or design of the real thing they do not pretend to be the real thing. for example a lot of Magnoli's clothing.
watches I am unsure about. I don't wear "replica" watches myself. I wear the newer version of the casio MTD for that submariner look. However I also know people perfectly happy to wear replica watches. that mimic the design and the brand name of a much more prestigous watch. Although I don't do this myself, they are perfectly happy doing so and I do not hold it against them.
from my point of view it comes down to whether you are happy wearing them or not. If not, don't buy them.
Going back to the original poster's question I think in that situation when it is being used in a prop piece, the adding of mud and so forth. I think the use of replicaa is fine. Very few people would do something like that to a real Omega.
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,541MI6 Agent
I think this thread has run it's course. We are all on this site as we hold one thing in common. Let's not start a war over a subject we disagree upon, however strongly that disagreement.
That is the one great difference that AJB holds over the 'other' forums out there. We all get along. Increasingly, the opposition have daily threads just like this one.
Coldheart96, the quote in your post is a bit wrong:
"Mantis once told me in an email that 30% of his collection was authentic and the remaining 70% were replicas. Mantis, I apologize if I got the numbers wrong."
30% of my collection is made up of SCREEN used pieces, as in used on set and the other 70% are replicas of the screen used pieces...in other words the same pieces of clothing, gadgets etc BUT not screen used. Did not mean that 70% of my collection are knock offs....but, no harm and no foul..:)
Awfully sorry for posting my naive question - it seems to have generated a lot of unintended ugliness. Clearly, everyone has firmly held opinions on the matter, and whilst I'm grateful to see them expressed, I agree that this thread has outlived its usefulness. Let's move on, shall we?
Sadly this is one of those topics that just gets rehashed over and over. Everyone who has been here longer than a month has read these opinions. I do agree that buying things that are illegal is a "bad thing". What I object to, however, is the massive amount of chest beating and preening that goes on when this subject comes up. Wow, some of you can afford $4,000 watches. Great. Now please stop informing us. It is just in gentlemanly when a thread turns into an ugly bit of raw vanity at having something and looking down on others – who may or may not buy replicas. Heavy handed moralizing rarely goes down well.
Awfully sorry for posting my naive question - it seems to have generated a lot of unintended ugliness. Clearly, everyone has firmly held opinions on the matter, and whilst I'm grateful to see them expressed, I agree that this thread has outlived its usefulness. Let's move on, shall we?
This exemplifies my point. You shouldn't have to feel sorry for asking your question. It was a reasonable question. Unfortunately, the replies went from one about information to one about arbitrary morality.
I'm sorry if I escalated it but, those kinds of heavy-handed responses burn me up.
Coldheart96, the quote in your post is a bit wrong:
"Mantis once told me in an email that 30% of his collection was authentic and the remaining 70% were replicas. Mantis, I apologize if I got the numbers wrong."
30% of my collection is made up of SCREEN used pieces, as in used on set and the other 70% are replicas of the screen used pieces...in other words the same pieces of clothing, gadgets etc BUT not screen used. Did not mean that 70% of my collection are knock offs....but, no harm and no foul..:)
Mantis, I apologize for the mis-statement, but I think my point was well made. You have a collection of various items...most are authentic and some are replicas. This does not diminish (not financially speaking) from the overall value of the collection. It's simply a matter of availability of items and whether or not a person wishes to make the financial investment. Once again, my apologies and I look forward to viewing your soon-to-be Bond 22 collection.
Bond: "Who would spend $1 million to kill me?"
M: "Jealous husbands. Outraged chefs. Humiliated tailors. The list is endless!"
I see one of the main anti-replica argument makers in this thread has posted a response on another thread about saving an illegal and uncopyrighted wallpaper to his computer. The empty can always rattles the most!as they say Nuff said.
I am new to this forum, and as a neutral observer, I have to completely 100% agree with Clarky. This is a lot of hypocrisy and snobbery on these boards, and those people know who they are, which is why they are so quick to go on the offensive. I wouldn't even call it chest beating, it is more like children showing off their new toys and gloating. Collecting is supposed to be fun and a hobby, not a competition or dick measuring contest.
While some of you may be able to afford expensive items, as Clarky has noted, that is no reason for people to run to these boards and talk down to others who cannot afford such items. I gurantee those of you have the real watches, if you couldn't afford them, you would be buying up the replica ones.
Asp9mmOver the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,541MI6 Agent
I gurantee those of you have the real watches, if you couldn't afford them, you would be buying up the replica ones.
Sweeping statement and a totally incorrect assumption there.
Why is this coversation still going, if you want to buy a fake go ahead, if you don't, then don't. Morale high grounds don't count for anything in the 21st Century. Each to their own, move along, let's get along. Enough.
I gurantee those of you have the real watches, if you couldn't afford them, you would be buying up the replica ones.
Sweeping statement and a totally incorrect assumption there.
Why is this coversation still going, if you want to buy a fake go ahead, if you don't, then don't. Morale high grounds don't count for anything in the 21st Century. Each to their own, move along, let's get along. Enough.
"I think he got the point".....
have to agree - as usual asp9mm u are the voice of reason.....ever thought about a radio show?
live and let live, but always beware copyright laws.....they have long arms and nothing up their sleeves....
That is a quote from Thunderball, and not meant to be a snide comment on my part. I am not looking to start of war of words, just offering my two cents on the situation. Please do not mock me sir.
I thought these subjects got locked once the ranting started. I am an owner of a Replica for display purposes and I have not told anyone it is the real deal, I agree that if you tell someone you have the real thing and its the fake then you deserve to be flogged. My choice was merely one of finances. As with everyone here I would loved to have the disposable income to be able to have collections half as good as those here but unfortunately a fake Omega is the best I can do. Without a doubt I would go for the real one if the funds were available
NightshooterIn bed with SolitairePosts: 2,917MI6 Agent
I shouldn't be responding anymore, but just to be clear, the problem isn't with telling people it is real when it is fake (unless you are selling it), it is just that you are buying illegal goods. But as ASP said, if that doesn't matter to you than buy it, and if that does matter to you, then don't buy it.
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Firstly, Feeling like you are cheating yourself is your own problem. Don't buy a replica.
Secondly, You can keep you Bible thumping to yourself. That whole eternal soul thing is bull****! I don't feel a whit sorry for Rolex or Omega. To compare buying replicas to sin is not only ridiculous, it's retarded. If you really gave a damn about being on the side of angels you wouldn't idolize a murdering, adulterous, lying, thief like James Bond.
As for illegality, that is a civil matter in the United States unless you are trying to pass the replica off as the genuine article. There is nothing illegal about owning a replica in the US. You give an article about Italy, it may be illegal there but in the US they sell car kits and completed kit cars all the time. It is not illegal. You can buy Ferraris, Shelby Cobras, what ever you want.
It is no more wrong or illegal than any other replica of clothing, shoes, watches, weapons, gadgets, or any other memorabilia we talk about.
You are snobs and hypocrites if you are willing to only shell out $400 for a replica Armani instead of $4000 and turn around and complain about someone spending $200 for replica Omega instead of $3000. There is no difference.
It is unbelievable how you people will fall all over yourselves about replica watches and not say anything about the other replica items. Do you think that John Lobb is any more deserving of being replicated than Omega? "Wow, those replica John Lobbs were fantastic, but can you believe he wore a fake Rolex?" Give me a break.
Allegory is a form of extended metaphor, in which objects, persons, and actions in a narrative, are equated with the meanings that lie outside the narrative itself. The underlying meaning has moral, social, religious, or political significance, and characters are often personifications of abstract ideas as charity, greed, or envy.
Thus an allegory is a story with two meanings, a literal meaning and a symbolic meaning.
Loosely translated, I think you need to take a chill pill and go bowling with JonTremaine.
Peace Out
As I have said, I have been fortunate in my life to be able to afford what I want, but some people can't and shouldn't be considered less of because they can't.
Why is it that the people with all the rants on this board are gramatically challenged? How can you butcher the English language that much? It's your mother tongue! I guess that makes me a "grammar snob" but I think you'd be taken more seriously if you took the time to develop a cogent thought before putting it to paper.
Let me guess, you're more of a William Faulkner, "stream of consciousness" guy.
Was that really necessary? It's not like you can't understand his posts. I've seen much worse here and on other boards.
Back to the topic, I love my ten year old Seiko. Sportin' it literary Bourne style. I have no interest in an Omega or Rolex but if I wanted one for display only I'd probably go with a copy. If I was gonna wear one I'd go with the real thing. Who cares if someone wants to wear a fake?
My wife manages a jewelry store and you'd be surprised who feels fine wearing fakes. Quite a few people with plenty of scratch to buy the real thing wear fakes. Know why? People don't question them. It's all perception.
M: "Jealous husbands. Outraged chefs. Humiliated tailors. The list is endless!"
I see. You've gone from the topic, to attacking me over a typo. I forgot a single word. In both responses to me you wanted to show everyone one the board that you are a master of the English language and literature and to try and demonstrate just how much more superior than me at English you are. All because, oops I left out a word. You have so cunningly devalued my points and intelligence by pointing out a missing word in a sentence. That missing word was 'you'. Well, ____ you! See if you can guess which word I left out that time.
Your little grammar Nazi bit doesn't change my point or devalue it. All it says is you can't respond to it in an intelligent fashion. I ignored your direct response because it was a childish attempt to misdirect the argument. "You can't understand a metaphor." Right. Because of that you try the even more ridiculous. Grow up, man.
I see, that the discussion gets heated and very personal now and I suggest, that everyone checks his own words for contents of insult and other offensive stuff. I am sure, that there is a lot to be found.
So, let me suggest to bring the discussion to a level, which we all can be proud of.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
I think that replicas of clothing that do not use the brand name are perfectly acceptable. This is because although they mimic the cut or design of the real thing they do not pretend to be the real thing. for example a lot of Magnoli's clothing.
watches I am unsure about. I don't wear "replica" watches myself. I wear the newer version of the casio MTD for that submariner look. However I also know people perfectly happy to wear replica watches. that mimic the design and the brand name of a much more prestigous watch. Although I don't do this myself, they are perfectly happy doing so and I do not hold it against them.
from my point of view it comes down to whether you are happy wearing them or not. If not, don't buy them.
Going back to the original poster's question I think in that situation when it is being used in a prop piece, the adding of mud and so forth. I think the use of replicaa is fine. Very few people would do something like that to a real Omega.
That is the one great difference that AJB holds over the 'other' forums out there. We all get along. Increasingly, the opposition have daily threads just like this one.
"Mantis once told me in an email that 30% of his collection was authentic and the remaining 70% were replicas. Mantis, I apologize if I got the numbers wrong."
30% of my collection is made up of SCREEN used pieces, as in used on set and the other 70% are replicas of the screen used pieces...in other words the same pieces of clothing, gadgets etc BUT not screen used. Did not mean that 70% of my collection are knock offs....but, no harm and no foul..:)
This exemplifies my point. You shouldn't have to feel sorry for asking your question. It was a reasonable question. Unfortunately, the replies went from one about information to one about arbitrary morality.
I'm sorry if I escalated it but, those kinds of heavy-handed responses burn me up.
Mantis, I apologize for the mis-statement, but I think my point was well made. You have a collection of various items...most are authentic and some are replicas. This does not diminish (not financially speaking) from the overall value of the collection. It's simply a matter of availability of items and whether or not a person wishes to make the financial investment. Once again, my apologies and I look forward to viewing your soon-to-be Bond 22 collection.
M: "Jealous husbands. Outraged chefs. Humiliated tailors. The list is endless!"
you are talking about me.
First of all, I am against fake watches but I have sincerely not been "one of the main anti-replica argument makers in this thread". Read it again.
And I can't see anything wrong, that I admire a collage from a fellow forum member, that he made by himself. That's truely a different piece of cake.
Dalton - the weak and weepy Bond!
While some of you may be able to afford expensive items, as Clarky has noted, that is no reason for people to run to these boards and talk down to others who cannot afford such items. I gurantee those of you have the real watches, if you couldn't afford them, you would be buying up the replica ones.
Sweeping statement and a totally incorrect assumption there.
Why is this coversation still going, if you want to buy a fake go ahead, if you don't, then don't. Morale high grounds don't count for anything in the 21st Century. Each to their own, move along, let's get along. Enough.
"I think he got the point".....
have to agree - as usual asp9mm u are the voice of reason.....ever thought about a radio show?
live and let live, but always beware copyright laws.....they have long arms and nothing up their sleeves....
Matthew