So Long Solange?
omegaman0777
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Sit down strap in and hold on because I'm going out on a limb with this new topic.
I'm not sure how many times I have seen Casino Royale, but I have come to the conclusion that Bond tortured Solange (played by Caterino Murino) to death rather than Le Chiffre (or one of his henchmen).
Why?
Well, he suduces Solange and they end up frolicking on the floor after he wins the Aston in the card game from her husband.
Bond quizzes her on the nature of her husbands work, she says "its a mystery I'm afraid".
Solange then gets the call on her mobile from her husband telling her that he's catching a flight to Miami.
Bond then orders room service for one . . . . . why for one?
Ordering for one takes on a sinister edge if you consider the following.
Fast forward to where M walks with Bond to the trussed up corpse of Solange near the beach after all the action has taken place at Miami Airport.
M talks to him about remaining emotionally detached from his work, but it's self evident Bond doesn't have a problem with that.
M also asks if Bond thought she (Solange) would have said anything to her killers about Bond or why he was with her that evening. Bond responds that he is absolutely certain that she would have given nothing away about him or his mission, all with a very guilty look in his eyes.
Is he so sure because he was the one who killed her after torturing her for information just before he flew to Miami to hunt down her husband?
Just think about it for a sec because no-one owns up to her murder, not even Le Chiffre. Perhaps Bond had done the dirty deed before Le Chiffre had got the chance to "ask" her about why the terrorist attack had failed at Miami airport himself?
For the squeamish amongst you please bear in mind that Bond has no qualms about seeing off a member of the fairer sex because he was all ready to pop Vesper Lynd when he discovers that she is a double agent in Venice "allow me!"
I've asked friends who have seen Casino Royale about this and some of them pooh pooh the idea. Others love the idea.
What do you think?
Discuss.
I'm not sure how many times I have seen Casino Royale, but I have come to the conclusion that Bond tortured Solange (played by Caterino Murino) to death rather than Le Chiffre (or one of his henchmen).
Why?
Well, he suduces Solange and they end up frolicking on the floor after he wins the Aston in the card game from her husband.
Bond quizzes her on the nature of her husbands work, she says "its a mystery I'm afraid".
Solange then gets the call on her mobile from her husband telling her that he's catching a flight to Miami.
Bond then orders room service for one . . . . . why for one?
Ordering for one takes on a sinister edge if you consider the following.
Fast forward to where M walks with Bond to the trussed up corpse of Solange near the beach after all the action has taken place at Miami Airport.
M talks to him about remaining emotionally detached from his work, but it's self evident Bond doesn't have a problem with that.
M also asks if Bond thought she (Solange) would have said anything to her killers about Bond or why he was with her that evening. Bond responds that he is absolutely certain that she would have given nothing away about him or his mission, all with a very guilty look in his eyes.
Is he so sure because he was the one who killed her after torturing her for information just before he flew to Miami to hunt down her husband?
Just think about it for a sec because no-one owns up to her murder, not even Le Chiffre. Perhaps Bond had done the dirty deed before Le Chiffre had got the chance to "ask" her about why the terrorist attack had failed at Miami airport himself?
For the squeamish amongst you please bear in mind that Bond has no qualms about seeing off a member of the fairer sex because he was all ready to pop Vesper Lynd when he discovers that she is a double agent in Venice "allow me!"
I've asked friends who have seen Casino Royale about this and some of them pooh pooh the idea. Others love the idea.
What do you think?
Discuss.
Comments
Bond got all the information he needed from Solange by "smooching" her up. The movie indicated that Bond had little time to catch a flight to Miami, hence the food/drink order for one.
LeChiffre had Solange tortured to find out who thwarted the Skyfleet plot. That's how LeChiffre knows Bond is a UK Agent.
Bond IS guilty of lying to "M" that Solange knew anything about him. He wants to stay "on the job".
Any indication that his cover was "blown" and oo7 would be sent packing back to London.
When Bond witnessed Vesper's apparent betrayal, he was "****ed". His actions after he pulled her out of the water indicate his true feelings.
Emotionally detached? Despite Bond's assertions he still has a way to go.
Prehaps if Oliver Stone or Rob Reiner directed the movie, oo7 would torture, rape and rob - but it's not a notion I embrace.
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Lets not forget that Pierce Brosnan as Bond clipped Elektra King in The World Is Not Enough.
I'd like to be wrong believe me but . . . . I'm sorry its a theory of mine that just won't go away.
Beautiful woman or not . . .
While we are here i think there's one thing we can agree on.
Caterina Murino was one of the most attractive Bond women yet?
N'est pas?
But regards your theory, I suspect you have crawled out to far on that limb, and you are quite alone there.
Bond slapping girls about is immature, and does nothing to enhance the films. It started with Connery, who wasn't adverse to tuning up his first wife in private and should have ended there.
If Bond was going to smack a girl in CR'06 it would have been Vesper when she denied him the rebuy of $5,000,000. Bond didn't slap her and I would hope that for the future it will remain that way.
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The reason Bond orders a meal for one is because he knows he's leaving to get on that plane - the meal/drinks are for Solange.
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Totally agreed. I thought that was pretty obvious. He had to hurry to get to the airport. There was no time to torture, murder, and dump the body in Mr. D's hammock(not to mention drink a bottle of champagne and have caviar).
I don't mind Bond killing anyone but this one's a stretch. He'd just been chastised for killing a nobody bomb maker. No way he's killing a real nobody.
I'm buying two of them!
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I was just trying to keep the conversation lively!
I love the idea that James Bond could have tortured Solange to death - great call. Unlikely, but really interesting.
I'd like to pose a question about CR:
Please tell me why Le Chiffre's girlfriend in the hotel stays with him after the attack with the machete. I wonder who she was working for.
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Oh and also?Bond is a terrible liar.M knew he hadn't kept much of anything from Solange-I mean,she knew his name,so that means that they had a conversation before we see them on the floor in the villa.
I don't mean to affend you but you must be from CA 7289. Though I don't agree with the idea Bond killed Solange( the order for one was because he was going to be in Miami) the hole idea of Bond killing or slapping around a villiness around doesn't sound as bad as you make it. Bond has a job to do and he completes it by any means. Which means if a female baddy has the secret code he isn't going to hold back from doing so. I could just see the world hangs in the balance and a villianess has the answer:
Bond: give me the code.
Villianess: No never.
Bond: O.K. (Bond pulls out a feather and tickles her)
World explodes.
No Bond would put the smackdown on her and get the code.
Fiona: But of course, I forgot your ego, Mr. Bond. James Bond, who only has to make love to a woman and she starts to hear heavenly choirs singing.
Fleming's Bond did not slap girls about. I base my preferences on the charecter traits from the literary Bond. Connery/Young did the charecter a disservice when they instituted the "slap-about".
Fleming himself - while he might have enjoyed some "whip and chain" fun with his partners drew the line at Bond using physical abuse to obtain information.
While I am from a Socialist State, I don't feel that slapping girls is a worthwhile activity anywhere by anyone - it's just low class behavior no matter how you cut it, and I prefer my Bond use other "tools" for information!
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He isn't your Bond though. He's ours
Bond is thre classic (if updated) gentleman spy. He is the kind of bloke that can charm women, even to the extent where sometimes he doesn't need to actually have sex with them. - Thats the real clever trick with both Solange and Vesper. He gets the info from Solange by smooching her and showing her consideration, - something she really needed and her husband failed at. As for Vesper, they ended up in bed after LeChiffre and the main part of the assignment (or so it seemed) was completed.
There is dialogue that clarifies that Bond did not kill Solange. - After returning to the Bahamas once the Skyfleet protoype is saved, and poor Solange is getting dumped into a body bag, M comments:
"As YOU had killed her husband, there was no-one else left to question" - (Emphasis mine.)
Ie, Bond had left LeChifre with no one else to go after to try to determine who had talked, and who to.
As for the actresses, I think they are both stunning!