Golden Gun & P99 for Sale

Hi all,

The agreement with my wife for my collectibles was "anything that fits into the cabinet .... period".

Well, eyes bigger than tummy & all that, ended up getting too much stuff ... so some things have to go .. sniff :'(

Feel free to make an offer :(

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260238732940&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=016

Comments

  • Disco VolanteDisco Volante Surrey, EnglandPosts: 543MI6 Agent
    Nice.

    I can see you got both of those from that company in Argentina which do some nice replicas at good prices. I had one of their golden guns once but sold it on as I was looking for an SD Studios one.

    Good luck with the sale ;)
  • alancastillo1alancastillo1 MaltaPosts: 54MI6 Agent
    Thanks :) Yes, they are indeed nice, but the Mrs. is making me stick to our "agreement" with an iron fist :'( X-(
  • Mark HazardMark Hazard West Midlands, UKPosts: 495MI6 Agent
    Don't know how informed you are about the new UK gun laws or quite know how the golden gun will be viewed by eBay, but I'll bet they'll soon be pulling the P99.

    I would assume that even a solid replica with no moving parts will still be viewed as "offensive" to the powers that be. Hope I'm wrong.

    Replica firearms are not now allowed to be sold (bartered or even given away - unless they are painted in bright colours, does gold count?) in the UK, strangely we can still buy de-activated weapons :s ?:)

    Best of luck anyway - maybe with a solid replica you've found a loop-hole.
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,541MI6 Agent
    edited May 2008
    WARNING TO UK BIDDERS!!!!

    The listing states that it is in Malta, although the auction has been listed on Ebay UK. This is very cunning on the part of the seller and the illegal P99 is not in the title so Ebay won't pick it up. However, anyone buying this and trying to import it into the UK will be arrested for importing illicit and illegal firearms, and a visit by our armed unit will probably happen.

    The golden gun will be fine, the P99 is most definately NOT, you may just as well try to import the real thing, the penalty will be the same.

    Again, this auction is severly underhand, and the consequences will be faced by the buyer and not the seller. And they will be big.

    alancastillo you need to remove this listing from Ebay UK immediately otherwise someone not familiar with the law will end up in serious trouble and will face court and a possible prison sentence. Listing it on Ebay.Com is fine.
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  • alancastillo1alancastillo1 MaltaPosts: 54MI6 Agent
    Thanks for the info Asp9mm.

    eBay obliterated the listing quoting firearms policy etc, must be what you mention. Only thing is that yes, the item is actually in Malta, which is where I am too. There was no cunningness involved lol. And P99 was also in the title.

    I was not aware of such firearm policy in the UK, its just a plastic toy at the end of the day :(

    Interesting about the GG only & listing it on eBay.com being fine. I will do that :)

    Thanks for the info & tip, much appreciated

    {[]
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,541MI6 Agent
    Thanks for your understanding. The new laws here since last October treat the possession and attempt to buy a replica firearm the same as the real thing. Stupid law, but the law nonetheless. Apologies if I came on a bit strong, but I don't want to see any of my fellow AJB'ers ending up in trouble.
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  • alancastillo1alancastillo1 MaltaPosts: 54MI6 Agent
    Nah, no problem at all !! .... I have a 17-year-old son & 16-year-old daughter ... you don't want to know what coming on strong is ... but I'm sure you can immagine the nightmares we have to go through LOL !

    I will re-list only the GG, on eBay.com. Should be OK with that :)

    Thanks again {[]
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  • Mark HazardMark Hazard West Midlands, UKPosts: 495MI6 Agent
    Sorry alancastillo1, but it looks like you've been shot down again. :#
  • Asp9mmAsp9mm Over the Hills and Far Away.Posts: 7,541MI6 Agent
    I hope Master Replicas is going to manufacture within the UK otherwise you guys that want to buy the GG this year are screwed :#
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  • texas007texas007 Houston, Texas 77041Posts: 2,356MI6 Agent
    I think it will be made in China - like all the MR light sabers - I cannot imagine putting a ban on this "golden gun" which is so far from a real gun.
  • alancastillo1alancastillo1 MaltaPosts: 54MI6 Agent
    ROTFLMAO !!! It was obliterated again LOL. This time, eBay.com told me that since I am located in the UK, I am not allowed to list it on any eBay.

    LOL, I am not in the UK, but in Malta.

    Sigh ... I have written to them to asking them to explain.

    Well, errrr, if I am really not allowed to sell it anywhere ... then perhps the only solution is to buy another cabinet :v :v ... good excuse for the Mrs anyway lol

    Alan
  • alancastillo1alancastillo1 MaltaPosts: 54MI6 Agent
    I agree, whoever wants a MR GG later this year is going to go through hell unless they are produced in the UK. The only solution would be to get an import licence. It will be tedious & a long (ish) process, but it can be done for sure & it will definitely be granted.I forsee alot of frustrating explanations to various Govt. beaurocrats, but it is possible. At least all is not lost :) cheer up {[]

    Just showed the Mrs. my 2 cancelled lisiting ... haaaaaaaaaar, seems I well under way to getting a new cabinet & keeping my GG & P99 !! :))

    Alan
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,924Chief of Staff
    I agree, whoever wants a MR GG later this year is going to go through hell unless they are produced in the UK. The only solution would be to get an import licence. It will be tedious & a long (ish) process, but it can be done for sure & it will definitely be granted.

    This must have been decided and had all the obstacles removed or Master Replicas will lose a big slice of it's market.
    YNWA 97
  • texas007texas007 Houston, Texas 77041Posts: 2,356MI6 Agent
    Well - cannot buy or import the "golden gun"?
    How about buying Scaramanga's golden pen replica?
    and Scaramanga's golden lighter replica?
    and Scaramanga's golden cufflinks replica?
    and Scaramanga's golden cigarettes holder replica?
    and may be a decorative case with some papers?
    Any one?
  • Sir MilesSir Miles The Wrong Side Of The WardrobePosts: 27,924Chief of Staff
    texas007 wrote:
    Well - cannot buy or import the "golden gun"?
    How about buying Scaramanga's golden pen replica?
    and Scaramanga's golden lighter replica?
    and Scaramanga's golden cufflinks replica?
    and Scaramanga's golden cigarettes holder replica?
    and may be a decorative case with some papers?
    Any one?

    Fantastic :))
    YNWA 97
  • 037 Scaramanga037 Scaramanga FloridaPosts: 160MI6 Agent
    Very good Kan,

    won't take no for an answer.
  • alancastillo1alancastillo1 MaltaPosts: 54MI6 Agent
    Hi all,

    Some general info - I have discovered why eBay removed my GG listing, even when I listed it only on eBay.com

    Seems that, even if it is a fictitious item / replica / solid or whatever, unless the seller and the item are both located in the USA, its a no-go whichever way you look at it, even if I put a bright orange cover on its tip etc.

    IMHO, especially regarding the GG, eBay are being quite silly about this, but I think it is impossible to convince them otherwise :s

    I can understand re the P99 (which is a no way Jose, even though it is plastic), but the GG ???

    Anyway, personally, I am VERY happy that this happened LOL ... this morning I ordered my second cabinet with the Mrs' go-ahead !! :) , so I get to keep the GG & P99 {[]

    Will update my JB collection pics shortly & post under separate cover :D

    Alan
  • alancastillo1alancastillo1 MaltaPosts: 54MI6 Agent
    Not being one to give up easily, and although not interested in selling my resin GG any more, I sent this to eBay. Maybe it will arrive on someone's desk who has some logic & common sense, as eBay's current policy of "wipe 'em all out" is really silly IMHO :

    "Quote"

    Hi,

    I refer to my listing that was removed by eBay.

    I have been reviewing all eBay policies thoroughly, and wish to ask the following 2 questions.

    As I understand, since I listed it on eBay.com, this particular listing was removed because neither the item nor myself is in the USA.

    1) Is this correct ? or is it because eBay considered it a breach of the firearms policy ?

    Now I would please like to make an argument, so please bear & reason with me.

    Facts :

    This item is called the Golden "Gun"

    It is from a James Bond Movie "The Man With The Golden Gun"

    The fantasy plot of the movie shows the villain assembling the "gun" from a lighter, a cigarette case, a cufflink, and a pen.

    Various companies, totally dedicated to producing movie memorabilia have made replicas of this "gun".

    Some are made of brass & are gold plated, & other are made of resin (like the one I was trying to sell).

    However, NONE of these items ever could, and never will, be made to fire anything whatsoever. Even the brass ones are solid.

    Latly, BUT most importantly : keep in mind it is a fictitious object to begin with - it does not exist in real life.

    The eBay policy states that no replica or imitation firearms may be listed.

    OK, understood.

    But surely this applies to "real life" weapons, not something out of a fictitious fantasy movie ?

    On the same lines of your policy, ALL imitiation "weapons" from movies should be removed from eBay.

    (I am not asking you to do this of course, I am just making a point)

    These such "weapons" include, but definitely not limited to :

    - Han Solo Blaster - Please do an eBay search for this item. It looks like a WWI German Mauser & looks more like a gun than the item I was trying to sell.

    - All lightsabers (from Star Wars) - after all in the movie this is a VERY dangerous weapon, capable of slicing a person in half.

    - zat gun

    - Guns from "Men in Black"

    - Phasers (from Star Trek)

    and the list could go on forever.

    My point is eBay recognises these items as being props from fantasy, movies, not real life, harmless, not dangerous, collectors items, and there is no law anywhere in the world prohibiting them in any way whatsoever, AS THEY ARE FICTITIOUS ITEMS.

    So why not the Golden "Gun" from a James Bond movie ??

    I understand the prohibition of an imitation P99 or Walther PPK pistol from the James Bond movies, because these exist in real life.

    But the Golden "Gun" does not. Never has, never will.

    It was never, and never will be, considered to be anything more than a fictious item invented to be used as a movie prop, in ONE movie.

    This logic and sound reasoning surely demonstrates that the Golden "Gun" should NOT be a prohibited item on eBay.

    I feel that there is a gap in the eBay policy here, and Golden "Gun" listings are being removed due to a lack of understanding of what these items are exactly.

    They in fact should be allowed, just like ALL "weapons" from fantasy movies.

    Having been a Customer Experience Manager for 15 years, I am more than certain that my second and last question cannot (and indeed should not) be answered without consulting an eBay top Executive. So please do show this email to the person concerend, and I would kindly like to have this question answered :

    2) Taking into account the points I made above, if eBay still feels that imitation props Golden "Guns" from the James Bond fantasy fiction movie still cannot be listed, could you please give me concrete reasons why not ? The only thing I please ask of you, is not to give me a "cut & paste" reply that does not answer my question. I know this is an issue that has raised a "pain in the neck" matter, but as an eBay client (both seller & buyer) I feel I deserve an adequate response.

    Please note I am not doing this only for myself. The entertainment memorabilia market is enormous, and a highly prestigious prop is the Golden "Gun". It is very sought after, and an SD Studios one commands USD3000 & over since the company went bust ages ago & no longer produce them.

    While I await your reply,

    Thanks & kind regards,

    Alan

    "Unquote"

    I would hate to see Golden Guns never appearing on eBay any more because of something I feel does not make any sense at all.

    .... or is it me that's got it wrong ?? :s?:)
  • Mark HazardMark Hazard West Midlands, UKPosts: 495MI6 Agent
    Something that's causing more problems than replica weapons here in the UK are knives, just one search (bowie knife): http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=bowie+knife
    came up with 411 oportunities to cause damage, if not death.

    eBay seems to have double standards.
  • alancastillo1alancastillo1 MaltaPosts: 54MI6 Agent
    ?:) begining to wonder why I bothered X-( ... voila a cut & paste reply I received ....

    Dear Alan,

    Thank you for writing eBay in regard to the replica gun that was
    recently removed.

    The sale of firearms and weapons is heavily regulated by foreign and
    U.S. law. Some firearms and other weapons that can be sold legally in
    the United States may be prohibited in other countries. Accordingly,
    listings for these items are severely restricted.

    Listings of stun guns, "airsoft" guns, and replica firearms are
    permitted provided *all* of the following requirements are met:

    - The item and the seller are located in the U.S.
    - The item can only be shipped within the U.S.
    - Replicas and imitations, including toy and cap guns, must have clear
    permanent markings (such as an orange plug inserted in the barrel) and
    must not be easily altered to be able to shoot a projectile.

    ***Important***
    - Listings of stun guns and tasers are not permitted on eBay Canada at
    all.
    - Most states require that purchasers of airsoft guns be at least 18
    years old.
    - Items such as spring assisted knives, crossbows, throwing knives, and
    certain permitted gun parts can only be shipped within the U.S.

    For more information on the eBay Firearms, Weapons and Knives policy and
    to review the list of permitted items, please go to:

    http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/firearms-weapons-knives.html

    Click the "Show" link to view the examples.



    It is my pleasure to assist you. Thank you for choosing eBay.

    Sincerely,
    Allyn
  • alancastillo1alancastillo1 MaltaPosts: 54MI6 Agent
    well, that's eBay.com out of the way.

    I shall see what eBay UK has to say about GG's.
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