3 reasons i don't like Brosnan-era Bond films as much as the others . .
jamesm123
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1: The lowering of poor Desmond Llewelyn into the floor in his final appearance. Tacky.
2: The rubbish "i thought christmas only came once a year" line.
3: Die Another Day
2: The rubbish "i thought christmas only came once a year" line.
3: Die Another Day
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... and what about the other two films?
I also dont like the Brosnan era but its mainly because I feel they descended into the realms of cliche and came mighty close to parodies at many times.
I love this line.
Fair enough. But what about GE and TND? For that matter, what about 99% of TWINE?
While these three reasons might explain why you don't like TWINE or DAD, they don't explain why you don't like the era as a whole. Personally, I adore the era. IMO it is the bronze era of Bond films (with the golden era being the 60s and the silver era being the 70s and early 80s.) I don't much like DAD, but I think that GE and TWINE (especially GE) are among the greatest Bond films of all time, and I also think that TND, for all its flaws, is pretty entertaining.
Brosnan deserves all our thanks. Bond was a dodo in the early 1990s. A generation of kids didn't even know who 007 was. Then, thanks to Brosnan, 007 was back at the top.
I still think the way he was treated after DAD was dreadful. Just imagine if Dalton had come back for GE. Would we really have Daniel Craig as Bond now. I think not!!!
I don't think that would of been his final appearance had he not died after filming. I think he said many times that he would play the Q charector until he passed away. It just so happened that the mention of his retirement ended up being his last film. I truly think he would of been right there in DAD if he would of been alive.
The Christmas line was funny, certainly not bad eneough to ruin a whole era.
I still think the first half of DAD was very good.
For my money I would rather watch the Brosnan films than the Moore, Dalton movies.
1- No generosity- Its one thing to criticize Bond. Its another to slag four entire films at the drop of a hat.Is there NOTHING in the whole Brosnan era that you did like, James m123? Oh, wait, I'm sorry, I forgot, this topic is strictly about what you did NOT like. No generosity required. My mistake.
2- Where's the beef?- Brosnan era not good enough? Fine. The reasons? Q's exit/a quip/DAD?
That's it? And you are NOT joking?
Sorry, James, you're going to have to do a lot better than that.
Q's exit, as has been pointed out, is for a lot of Bond-fans, a great send-off for our beloved Desmond.
And if one questionable quip disqualifies a whole movie and era I would not like to know what you really think of Roger's tenure.
DAD? That's like shooting fish in a barrel, its so easy.(If you had said GE or TWINE, that would be interesting...but DAD?!? Hold the presses!!! Another DAD hater? Wow, you could knock me over with a feather!)
3- And the third reason I don't like "I don't like..." lists: BOREDOM.
Bond is the most exciting series in the history of movies and some fans come across as if they are bored with having to put up with it.
"But wait, BigZilcho, I protest!" a Bond-fan might say. "I'm a huge Bond fan!"
Well...that may be so...but some Bond-fans seem to spend more time slagging the series than praising it.
"Well, you can love Bond...and still criticize the series."
That's fine...if some enthusiasm is involved. But if I read another dry, flippant topic concerning why some aspect of Bond stinks (without any elaboration) what usually comes across in the criticism is an underlying sense of boredom. A ho-hum attitude about Bond is deadly in a forum like this...because eventually there are fans like myself who start to object to what comes across as (if you'll excuse me, James) LAZY analysis.
Bond being Bond can handle any and all contenders (which is why the series will last as long as movies are made...which means forever).
Bond's greatest enemy, in the long run, is indifference. And an indifferent Bond-fan is more dangeruous to 007 than any Spectre agent has ever been.
For you see,Bond can dodge bullets and laser beams, but he cannot survive a bored audience.
Are there Bond-haters in the crowd? Great!Lets hear what you have to say! Criticism is always valid.
Are there Bond-fans who, when push comes to shove, claim to adore 007 but, in the process, write completely negative topics about our favorite spy which, ironically, makes them look like they are bored out of their skulls?
Yes.
And, quite frankly, their boredom is becoming...very boring.
So here's a tip of the hat to the bored Bond-fan: you make fans like myself that much sharper in defending 007's legacy.
Much appreciated.
"Spend the money quickly, Mr. Bond."
"I intend to, Kamal Khan."
you certainly didn't like my "flippant" opinion.
my headline says why i didnt like brosnan era AS MUCH as the others and my 3 points were the ones that stand out for me. i have all the films and due to my age brosnan was the bond i saw most in the cinema.
i was just comparing brosnan bonds to the others and for me i when i go to reach for a bond dvd it is seldom a brosnan.
i still also think that lowering desmond into the floor was a mistake and made me feel uneasy when i saw it. do you think he felt happy doing a funeral scene whilst still very much alive at the age of 85? they could have had bond visit a retired q at his country home or something instead.
sorry, bigzilcho, i thought the whole point of discussion is about pro AND con? am i wrong? do you like EVERYTHING about EVERY bond film?
Now, I'm not bigzilcho, but count me as one of those who thinks that pointing to three things and saying they're the reason you don't like one group of films as much as another is kind of narrow-minded. Just three things from four films? And you mention only two of the four films--you mean those three things are so bad that they kill an entire era in your estimation? I can understand pointing to three things in a particular film and saying they're why you don't like that one film. . .but an entire group? It just seems to me that you need to cast a broader net.
You are not the first person to dismiss Pierce totally and you won't be the last, I'm sure.
Hardyboy sums it up in a way that I couldn't.
Sometimes a topic like yours ignites the Bond defense mechanism. Do I like EVERYTHING about Bond? No, of course not. But then, who does?
But, if you were to ask me, is the glass half-empty or half-full when it comes to Bond? Well, the glass is full in my books. I can't be objective about 007. Although there is much to criticize...I would rather emphasize the praise. Call me biased.
Rose-coloured glasses? You bet. And proud of it.
Hope that clears things up.
"I'm glad I killed him."
'You're glad?"
from the desmond wiki page. see? he wanted to do more bonds as long as he could. maybe i have borrowed bigzi's rose coloured glasses on this subject?
Agreed! It feels like almost every thread now has to include something about how so-and-so hates DAD, it's awful, trash, blah blah blah. The first hour was excellent and there were some awesome moments in the film. It also has a great performance by Brosnan and a fine score by Arnold. Based on all the hatred I read about DAD it's a shock the series didn't just implode after its release.
DAD is pure trash, seen it twice once in the theater and once on DVD. I can assure you I will never watch it again, can't say that about any other Bond film
TND, TWINE, and DAD are very low-ranked on my list, mainly because of the excessive use of gadgets, tired storylines, and unmemorable villains.
However, Goldeneye on the other hand, for me, was by far Brosnan's best, and a very enjoyable Bond outing with a good story, great action, good villains, and great dialogue.
So even though the Brosnan era is my least favourite, I still think it has it's merits, and things like three-second quotes wouldn't ruin an entire era, even if it is cringeworthy.
PS - I think the 'saved by the bell' quote in DAD was pretty awful also!
1 - Moore, 2 - Dalton, 3 - Craig, 4 - Connery, 5 - Brosnan, 6 - Lazenby
Really, Pierce Brosnan resurrected the series? I think to say this does a disservice to everyone else who was influential in creating a successful film, the producers, Martin Campbell etc.
Goldeneye is a strong addition in the series and imo would have been equally as successful with another actor. As much as I love Pierce Brosnan and his films, I can't agree that it was he who saved the series
Well I don't think they rebooted the franchise solely because of DAD. After all, the film made a ton of money and the producers could have just kept going with the formula and hitting box office success. From what I've heard, the main reason for a reboot was because Michael Wilson and Babs were feeling bogged down and feeling like they couldn't take the films in their current form any further, the excitement and spark was gone. So they decided to go back to the roots of the character and reboot the franchise. And I would say they definitely accomplished their goal: the series seems much fresher and to be going in an exciting direction. It doesn't feel like anyone is going through the motions anymore.
And far be it from me to tell someone how they should feel how to feel about a film, but to call DAD trash is a bit of a disservice. Care to explain why you feel this way? I would think that any true Bond fan could see the positives in any of the films and would certainly not refer to a Bond film as trash. Like I said, it's not one of my favorites but I still appreciate bits of it and have no problems watching it every once in awhile.
Terrible script - I thought they spent more time trying to honor the 40th anniversary, then they did making a coherent story (I got an idea, how about making a great movie instead?)
Check here for mistakes, I would list them all but it would take a page, check here;
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0246460/goofs
Where's the wit and charm?
Bad villains
Beyond stupid gadgets
Madonna's song
Madonna acting
What the hell is Madonna doing in a Bond film anyway?
Bronson's worst performance as Bond
Questionable directing
Atrocious special effects
Stunt work? What stunt work?
Weak soundtrack
The beginning is praised a lot around here, watch it again and tell me it deserves the hype
A hotel made of Ice, really?
Bond a world class surfer? I know he is athletic but come on now
The film made Halle Berry unattractive, which until then was impossible to do
The worst part is the true essence of Bond is lost in all the buffoonery, it a tragedy I tell ya!
Them's fighting words. I consider myself as big a fan as any one, seen all the movies multiple times, read all the books multiple times (Ian Flemings about 5 time each)
Just because your a fan you still have a right to bitch and complain, more so than others in fact. Think of how boring this board would be if it was all praise for everything Bond
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
A worthy goal {[]
Still, one should still set aside time for simple pleasures---and the worst Bond films still qualify, for my own purposes :007)
"I am not an entrant in the Shakespeare Stakes." - Ian Fleming
"Screw 'em." - Daniel Craig, The Best James Bond EverTM
Looking forward to adding QOS to the roster of view-worthy Bonds.
I'm going to join forces with you guys. Yes, I loved that line. How is that any different from all the other immature quips we've heard throughout the series? Honestly, sometimes I wonder how some fans became fans in the first place.
I also loved this exchange earlier in the movie...
Dr. Jones: I gotta get it back, or someone's gonna have my @$$.
Bond: First things first.
GoldenEye is, I think, the strongest of his four films. Brosnan comes off as a true killer in this film; not the Rambo machine-gun type (though there is some of that), but the kind that shows why James Bond was given a licence to kill. The fight scenes between 006 and 007 are some of the best in the series, the cast is generally strong (chosen for quality, not star power), Zucovsky makes for a great ally, the hallmarks of the formula (titles, PTS sequence, girls, etc) are all in good form, and Brosnan shapes himself well as a "90's Bond."
The film does also set the stage for what I believe is the chief problem with the Brosnan films. The Brosnan Bond films are wonderfully crafted, entertaining, pop-corn-style action films. But they do not offer a whole lot as Bond films. GoldenEye is well-made, and I'll credit the other films as helping continue the appreciation For Your Eyes Only began for an increasing faithfulness to Fleming. But the phrase "old wine in new bottles" seems to sum up the Brosnan films quite well. And with nothing distinctive about their stories, the films became overcome with shoot-'em-up action scenes that just wear on you after repeated views. Brosnan tries to be better than his surroundings, but he increasingly becomes less and less of what I see as 007 as his era goes on. Die Another Day in my view, represents how tired both the series traditional formula, and the overuse of high-tech action scenes to substitute for plot, had become.